Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!ubnnews.unisource.ch!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!cosy.sbg.ac.at!wuff.mayn.de!bignews.mediaways.net!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Rachel Newsgroups: soc.support.transgendered Subject: TGism and the Evolution of the Soul (HTML) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:21:55 -0500 Organization: For mail, hyphenate my name. Juno can only digest "plain-text" messages. Lines: 175 Message-ID: <6h0l04$ak9@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.67.82.10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U)
Transgenderism and the Evolution of the Soul

I would like to "suggest" an alternative spiritual reason for Transgenderism that, to my knowledge, has never been presented before. If just the "possibility" of this reason could be accepted, the understanding gained "may" allow for a more peaceful journey through the transgendered experience. For those who are traveling a spiritual path similar to my own, I feel compelled to share this with you.

As a male-to-female transvestite, I have been years struggling with my own Transgenderism and have spent countless hours pondering my "dilemma," hoping to gain the insight needed to achieve at least a degree of inner peace -- a peace that has proven rather elusive. I have read comments from transsexuals that refer to their transgendered experience as a "walk through Hell." As a transvestite, I would refer to my transgendered experience as a "walk through an admittedly 'much lesser' Hell, but still somewhat Hell-ish, never-the-less."

Last December a book was offered to me entitled, Conversations With God [CWG] -- Book 1 -- an uncommon dialogue, by Neale Donald Walsch. This is the first book in a trilogy where, as the title implies, Mr. Walsch claims to have had, and is still having, a number of conversations directly with "God." According to Mr. Walsch, these conversations have been occurring over a number of years and will be compiled into a total of three books, the first two having already been published.

Skeptical, due to the title of the book, I politely declined the offer. However, some weeks ago, this very same book was again offered to me by another person. Thinking this a very odd coincidence and now wondering if this wasn't "meant to be," I decided to accept it and at least read the first chapter or two out of curiosity, which I did. Amazingly, once started, I could not put the book down for any length of time and read all of it over the course of a few days.

Intrigued by what I had read in CWG -- Book 1, I obtained and read Walsch's CWG -- Book 2. Again, once started, I could not put it down for any length of time and read all of it over the course of a few days.

I choose not to be a religious person, but from where I am in my spiritual search, the "words" in these books had a profound effect on me. Whether or not they actually did come from "God" is not for me to say, but they definitely stirred my soul, raised my spirit to a higher plateau, and felt like the truth in my heart. Further, they sent my mind sailing off to explore in uncharted waters, which is a prerequisite, if one is ever to experience the excitement of "discovery."

Some readers, however, may find the content of these books "discomforting," as they address numerous issues that may very well "ruffle the feathers" of those who do not enter with a completely open mind. One of those "feather ruffling" issues, pertinent to this article, is the concept of the reincarnation of the soul, a belief that I have held for quite some time, and one that is confirmed in these books.

While reading CWG -- Book 2, I was struck by a number of comments that "God" made in relation to the male and female genders. These comments were made towards the end of a discussion where "God" seemed to be implying that women were more advanced than men. The complete passage is too long to quote in it's entirety, but the part that impacted me the most was when "God" said, "...being a man is your testing ground, your probation....when you have suffered enough through your own foolishness; when you have inflicted enough pain....when you have hurt others enough....then you may become a woman." Followed by, "When you have learned that might is not 'right'....that absolute power demands of others absolutely nothing....then you may deserve to wear the body of a woman -- for you will at last have understood her essence."

Although neither book speaks to Transgenderism, per se, as I read this passage, I found myself nodding my head, thinking, "So that's it... that's what's going on with me," and an impression of the transgendered soul began to form.

Souls would start out with male gender incarnations and reincarnate in that gender some number of times until they acquired "appropriate wisdom" for this level of their evolution, at which time they would prepare to advance to the higher-level, female gender.

At the point of reincarnating into the female gender for the first time, some souls would be unable to make such an abrupt gender jump. For whatever reason, these souls would resist releasing the male gender and, being "pulled" in two different directions, would become gender confused. This confusion would necessitate a gender transition period, which would allow them to "step" through the transition process. During the gender transition period, these souls would reincarnate as gender confused persons, in this case, as male-to-female transgendered persons.

Souls in a gender transition period could experience multiple incarnations as male-to-female transgendered persons and could reincarnate at "any point" along the male-to-female transgendered spectrum. Each of these incarnations would help these souls further evolve and bring them a "step" closer to being able to release the male gender and advance to the higher-level, female gender. At the end of the gender transition period, these souls would then reincarnate as genetic females.

Some of these advancing souls would experience a feeling of extreme "uneasiness" within the new, female gender. Those souls that reincarnated out of a gender transition period may have "stepped" into the new gender too soon, while those that were able to make the gender jump may well have circumvented a very necessary gender transition period. For whatever reason, these souls remained (or became) gender confused and have reincarnated as gender confused persons, in this case, as female-to-male transsexuals.

The "pull" to return to the male gender could be so strong for the souls of female-to-male transsexuals that a gender retreat would ensue. Since these retreating souls would be returning to a more familiar, more comfortable gender, during their next reincarnation they would simply reverse-gender jump and could reincarnate at "any point" along the male-to-female transgendered spectrum.

Eventually, all souls would evolve to the point where they could reincarnate as non-gender confused, genetic females. They would then reincarnate some number of times, primarily in this new gender, but could also choose to gender-jump in "either" direction. Once they had acquired "appropriate wisdom" for this level of their evolution, they would prepare to advance to the next higher-level, whatever that may be.

This gender transition process would seem to explain why some male-to-female transgendered persons are cross-dressers/transvestites, while others are cross-living transgenderists, and still others are transsexuals. It would also seem to explain why virtually all female-to-male transgendered persons are transsexuals and seem fewer in number vs. male-to-female transsexuals.

So the souls of cross-dressers/transvestites would be in the first stage of a transition to genetic female incarnations. The souls of transgenderists would be midway through a transition to genetic female incarnations. And the souls of transsexuals would be virtually standing on the threshold of genetic female (or genetic male) incarnations. Incarnations that, in fact, are so close at hand for these souls, that a growing sense, a growing awareness of what they are "about to be" creates an overwhelming desire to complete the gender transition (or gender retreat) process now, during the current transsexual incarnation, by way of sexual(or gender)-reassignment-surgery.

So as transgendered persons, although we may be in the midst of truly confusing times, our souls may be in the midst of a truly wonderful transition, one that will lead to a new-gender experience.

As with all things that are not "provable," but are also not "disprovable," one must look inward to determine whether an alternative spiritual reason, such as this, would fit comfortably within one's own belief system and within one's own realm of spiritual acceptability.

I am willing to accept the "possibility" of this reason for my own Transgenderism and, with that alone, I seem already able to feel the "beginnings" of a more peaceful journey through my transgendered experience. Not that I don't still feel gender confused most of the time, but at least now -- I think I finally understand why.
 

Rachel Ann Hunter

"Before casting your stones, take a moment to recall how it felt to be cast upon."
  ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-penn.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.69.200.121!news.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "Marilyn Hays" Newsgroups: soc.support.transgendered Subject: Re: TGism and the Evolution of the Soul Date: 15 Apr 1998 03:18:34 GMT Organization: USPS Lines: 23 Message-ID: <01bd681c$680dcdb0$77a256d1@mssmds3201> References: <6h0l04$ak9@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-38ld8jn.dialup.mindspring.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Rachel, It's an intersting philosophy, I'm glad it works for you. I generally aviod writing about god and the belief systems I have built. Religion is so terribly personal that it is a subject best avoided. Throughout history, people have gone to war and killed over religion more often than any other reason and religous passion is the number 1 cause of hate violence as well.*** At least it's the usual excuse given. I'm making an exception in this case, because what you posted is fairly close to my own belief. I don't believe in reincarnation at an earthly level; except perhaps as sort of a hell. I do however believe and hope that we have a soul which persists beyond life on earth. I don't know what happens next, and I'm not in any hurry to find out now. But I do believe that our soul is gendered. People seem continually amazed at "how easy it is" for me. (Accepting tanssexualism in myself and the T* in others) This is a primary reason why that is true. ***For this reason I will not "reply to group" in response to this post. Marilyn -- Biology<>Destiny "It is never too late to be what you might have been" --George Eliot ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-penn.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!207.20.0.50!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!news.ncal.verio.com!not-for-mail From: Psycho Chic Newsgroups: soc.support.transgendered Subject: Re: TGism and the Evolution of the Soul (HTML) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:01:08 -0700 Organization: Verio Northern California's Usenet News Service Lines: 178 Message-ID: <35359094.BFB8557C@2xtreme.net> References: <6h0l04$ak9@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 143.usr5.2xtreme.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) I have to make a very rational, Aristotelian observation: there are a lot of very, very *nasty* females and some very enlighted males, so I don't think either gender has a monopoly on good or bad. ...other than that, a pretty interesting tidbit: thanks! Rachel wrote: > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Transgenderism and the Evolution of the Soul > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > [snipped] ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!surfnet.nl!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!195.27.83.130!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.metronet.de!not-for-mail From: "Amy_w" Newsgroups: soc.support.transgendered Subject: Re: TGism and the Evolution of the Soul (HTML) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 00:48:20 +0200 Organization: none Lines: 31 Message-ID: <6h65b7$5mg$2@news.metronet.de> References: <6h0l04$ak9@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <35359094.BFB8557C@2xtreme.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: muenchen2.pop.metronet.de X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Psycho Chic schrieb in Nachricht <35359094.BFB8557C@2xtreme.net>... >...other than that, a pretty interesting tidbit: thanks! Please don't quote the whole thing again. I'm always open to accept spiritual and religious approaches, but I'm not really crazy about Religion. But I believe, that any way of explaining something can help to understand it or just to deal with it. But I don't want to start a discussion about religion now, so I'm off Bye Amy { Caution! This text may have included humour or even sarcasm. No offense intended. } +Please excuse poor english - I'm still german, not american, as most of you +try to reply to Amy_w@gmx.net or Amy_w@gmx.de or Amy_s_w@usa.net +I'm still trying to build up a good connection, so please do multiple shots,if +you don't get an answer. I'll reply to EVERY letter to me. If you don't get a +reply, I didn't get the mail, so please re-send it. Thanks a lot. Bye Amy # We are, who we are, who we are, # # But what are we, when we are, who we are? # # # I believe, I can fly # I believe, I can touch the sky # but as I turn around # I still can feel the ground#