Message-ID: <354CB7C1.314EB310@nospamcdh.net> Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 14:30:25 -0400 From: Jeff Gallant X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.sport.archery Subject: IBO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.58.107 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.58.107 Lines: 17 Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-penn.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!206.98.58.107 n advertisements for bows, part of the add reads "IBO - 5 grains per Lb. 70 Lb. - 295 f.p.s." What does the IBO stand for and also what does the 5 grains per Lb. refer to. I am looking to purchase my first bow and am looking at a Mathews Feather Max for $475.00. Is this a good price? The price is from a local archery shop they are also going to give me one years free shooting and one hour of lessons plus after I get comfortable with the bow they will paper shoot it and tune it for me. This sounds like a far price, any opinions? Thanks Jeff Gallant Remove "nospam" to email ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news.linkline.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: terrytoo@aol.com (Terrytoo) Newsgroups: rec.sport.archery Subject: Re: IBO Date: 4 May 1998 12:35:49 GMT Lines: 20 Message-ID: <1998050412354900.IAA02071@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <354CB7C1.314EB310@nospamcdh.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <354CB7C1.314EB310@nospamcdh.net>, Jeff Gallant writes: >n advertisements for bows, part of the add reads "IBO - 5 grains per >Lb. 70 Lb. - 295 f.p.s." >What does the IBO stand for and also what does the 5 grains per Lb. >refer to. IBO = International Bowhunting Organization 5 grains per pound is their lower limit for the weight of the arrow divided by the maximum pounds on your bow. Be careful as many manufacturers have a 6 grains per pound lower limit on their bow warranty. It sounds like you are new to archery. If so, 70 pounds is probably too heavy for for you. Go with a lighter bow pull weight and your shoulder will last longer. My sone shoots 52 pounds and the speed is a tad faster than your above statement. Good luck. Remember that a slow arrow that hits the target is much better than one that whizzes by the target at the speed of light. Terry ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: horsthaus@aol.com (Horsthaus) Newsgroups: rec.sport.archery Subject: Re: IBO Lines: 40 Message-ID: <1998050622170200.SAA19510@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 May 1998 22:17:02 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998050412354900.IAA02071@ladder01.news.aol.com> Terrytoo wrote: >5 grains per pound is their lower limit for the weight of the arrow divided >by >the maximum pounds on your bow. Typically, you will see two ratings for bows, IBO and AMO. The IBO rating is assuming a 350 grain arrow, 70 lbs draw weight. Hence the 5 grains per lb. AMO assumes a 540 grain arrow, 60 lbs draw weight at 30" draw. That is where folks get the 9 grain per lb. often quoted. >Be careful as many manufacturers have a 6 >grains per pound lower limit on their bow warranty. > > Good advice, Terry. Depending on the bow and what it's intended use is, five grains per lb is pushing the envelope, in most cases. A heavier arrow is generally quieter and easier on your tackle. I like to shoot 8-10 grains per lb. from my recurves. >It sounds like you are new to archery. If so, 70 pounds is probably too >heavy >for for you. Go with a lighter bow pull weight and your shoulder will last >longer. Another good observation. It is interesting that typical bow weights were significantly lower before the introduction of compound bows. Typical hunting bows were in the forties and target bows were in the thirties. Now, it's rare to see a stickbow archer with a bow drawing under fifty lbs and most compound shooters are shooting sixty lbs or more. This is certainly no slam on the compound bows, without which we would probably be talking about archery in the past tense. It is my experience that most archers could stand a reduction in draw weight, whether they are shooting sticks or compounds. And you're right, Terry, your shoulders (and elbows) will last longer. Best Regards, Michael Horst ###### Path: ccw.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: rec.sport.archery Subject: Non-compound dead? - was Re: IBO Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 02:15:37 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3553A028.11894CB9@ccw.ch.remove> References: <1998050412354900.IAA02071@ladder01.news.aol.com> <1998050622170200.SAA19510@ladder03.news.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i486) Horsthaus wrote: > > This is certainly no slam on the compound bows, without which we would probably > be talking about archery in the past tense. ???????????? On what do you base that statement? Today at our university archery practise there were 2 compund, 6 recurve, 1 wood (neolithic), 1 kyudo. And of the recurve users one (the instructor) is thinking of doing kyudo and an other one (me) is intending to try wood (long bow). Non-compound is well alive and kicking around here. -- private: Neil.Franklin@ccw.ch.remove http://www.ccw.ch/Neil.Franklin/ office: franklin@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~franklin/ Lawyers are killing society, perhaps we should return the favour. ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-penn.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: horsthaus@aol.com (Horsthaus) Newsgroups: rec.sport.archery Subject: Re: Non-compound dead? - was Re: IBO Lines: 15 Message-ID: <1998050903220400.XAA17408@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 May 1998 03:22:04 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3553A028.11894CB9@ccw.ch.remove> Neil Franklin wrote: >Today at our university archery practise there were 2 compund, 6 >recurve, 1 wood (neolithic), 1 kyudo. > >And of the recurve users one (the instructor) is thinking of doing kyudo >and an other one (me) is intending to try wood (long bow). > >Non-compound is well alive and kicking around here. Glad to hear it, Neil. I am a recurve shooter, myself. My point is that more archers come into the sport (at least in the U.S.) via compound bows, than any other way. We are experiencing a revival of "non-compound" tackle usage in the U.S., as well. Regards, Michael Horst ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!lboro.ac.uk!usenet From: "Alan Stiles" Newsgroups: rec.sport.archery Subject: Re: Non-compound dead? - was Re: IBO Date: 13 May 1998 02:29:39 GMT Organization: Loughborough University, UK. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <01bd7e16$ed25f530$18ef7d9e@pcnt-xxlab14> References: <3553A028.11894CB9@ccw.ch.remove> <1998050903220400.XAA17408@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pcnt-xxlab14.lut.ac.uk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Neil Franklin wrote: > >Today at our university archery practise there were 2 compund, 6 > >recurve, 1 wood (neolithic), 1 kyudo. Michael Horst wrote: > Glad to hear it, Neil. I am a recurve shooter, myself. My point is > that more archers come into the sport (at least in the U.S.) via > compound bows, than any other way. The University Club that I run here in the U.K. (same one as Jonny Hodgson in fact) has just over 50 members, of which we have one lady and two gents using compound - the rest are either long term users of recurve or come into the club as novices and are introduced to the recurve for the basic principles of archery. It seems to be the general pattern with U.K. archery that recurve is the club mainstay from beginner through to national level. Perhaps the reason for this is that we in the U.K. do not participate in live animal bow-hunting and as such do not strive for the speed / accuracy combination required for a kill and provided by the compound, but instead relish the idea of that little extra something provided by recurve? **remember to ditch the '_' on replies** ###### From: Jonny Hodgson Newsgroups: rec.sport.archery Subject: Re: Non-compound dead? - was Re: IBO Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 20:38:51 +0100 Organization: Loughborough University, UK. Message-ID: References: <1998050412354900.IAA02071@ladder01.news.aol.com> <1998050622170200.SAA19510@ladder03.news.aol.com> <3553A028.11894CB9@ccw.ch.remove> NNTP-Posting-Host: sun-cc203.lut.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: ttjph@sun-cc203 In-Reply-To: <3553A028.11894CB9@ccw.ch.remove> Lines: 16 Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!sackheads.org!ibm.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!delos!server1.netnews.ja.net!lboro.ac.uk!sun-cc203!ttjph On Sat, 9 May 1998, Neil Franklin wrote: > Today at our university archery practise there were 2 compund, 6 > recurve, 1 wood (neolithic), 1 kyudo. And in 'my' University archery club, there are about three compound shooters, I think, of about 50 members. Compounds seem to be much less popular in the UK. Jonny --------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jonathan Hodgson | TTech Predator | | Better to lose by two inches | MEng Auto Eng @ Lufbra | | than win by two laps | LSU Archery Club and Orchestra | --------------------------------------------------------------------- ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!ubnnews.unisource.ch!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter.cosy.sbg.ac.at!cosy.sbg.ac.at!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!uninett.no!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: horsthaus@aol.com (Horsthaus) Newsgroups: rec.sport.archery Subject: Re: Non-compound dead? - was Re: IBO Lines: 11 Message-ID: <1998051310433201.GAA17469@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 May 1998 10:43:32 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01bd7e16$ed25f530$18ef7d9e@pcnt-xxlab14> Alan Stiles wrote: >It seems to be the general pattern with U.K. >archery that recurve is the club mainstay from beginner through to national >level. Do archers in the U.K. engage in 3D archery? That seems to be the fastest growing segment of archery in the U.S. That also seems to be the catalyst for the development of the "speed bow". I always enjoy hearing about archery in other countries. That is one of the most enjoyable aspects of the web. Regards, Michael Horst. ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-penn.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.89.251.5!news.emanon.net!not-for-mail From: "dan goff" <3dvapor@recomnet.net> Newsgroups: rec.sport.archery Subject: Re: Non-compound dead? - was Re: IBO Date: 15 May 1998 00:35:21 GMT Organization: Emanon Service Corp - +1 609 858 9888 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <01bd7f77$48304280$850c11d0@default> References: <01bd7e16$ed25f530$18ef7d9e@pcnt-xxlab14> <1998051310433201.GAA17469@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial133.usrmth.recom.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 3D's are picking up in the UK, but only about 4 archery clubs have a full set of 40 targets. A couple U.S. Air Force bases have sped up the process tremendously. They have over 60 targets, and attendence is "boiling over" with archers. But things change slowly there. Horsthaus wrote in article <1998051310433201.GAA17469@ladder03.news.aol.com>... > Alan Stiles wrote: > > >It seems to be the general pattern with U.K. > >archery that recurve is the club mainstay from beginner through to national > >level. > > Do archers in the U.K. engage in 3D archery? That seems to be > the fastest growing segment of archery in the U.S. That also seems to be the > catalyst for the development of the "speed bow". I always enjoy hearing about > archery in other countries. That is one of the most enjoyable aspects of the > web. Regards, Michael Horst. > ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!sackheads.org!ibm.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!lboro.ac.uk!usenet From: "Alan Stiles" Newsgroups: rec.sport.archery Subject: Re: Non-compound dead? - was Re: IBO Date: 15 May 1998 21:50:50 GMT Organization: Loughborough University, UK. Message-ID: <01bd804b$7a60aae0$31ef7d9e@pcnt-xxlab39> References: <01bd7e16$ed25f530$18ef7d9e@pcnt-xxlab14> <1998051310433201.GAA17469@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pcnt-xxlab39.lut.ac.uk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Lines: 21 Horsthaus wrote in article <1998051310433201.GAA17469@ladder03.news.aol.com>... > Do archers in the U.K. engage in 3D archery? That seems to be > the fastest growing segment of archery in the U.S. That also seems to be the > catalyst for the development of the "speed bow". I always enjoy hearing about > archery in other countries. That is one of the most enjoyable aspects of the > web. Regards, Michael Horst. There does seem to be elements of every branch of archery developing across the U.K. I would be tempted to propose that Target and Field are the two main branches (compound or recurve), but there is always interest in everything from somebody somewhere so I imagine things will change - slowly! Alan ** lose the nospam **