From: moondrgn@bga.com (Chris and Elisabeth Zakes) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: "Quest for Camelot" review Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 20:43:23 GMT Reply-To: moondrgn@bga.com Message-ID: <35672da8.1060790@news2.bga.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 NNTP-Posting-Host: apm5-187.realtime.net Lines: 34 Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!nntp.giganews.com!feed1.realtime.net!apm5-187.realtime.net Fair Greetings, We just got back from taking the kids to see "Quest for Camelot". If you go into it with *no* expectations, it's not a bad film. The story is pure fantasy--there's a king named Arthur, a sword named Excalibur, a round table, a wizard named Merlin and a castle called Camelot. Everything else is made up, and bears no relationship to the Arthurian mythos. Good points: Some of the costuming is actually passable--tunics and bliauts along with the more usual "Hollywood medieval". There are a number of Warner Brothers in-jokes (such as the bottle of magic elixer from Acme). It's not *too* scary, so even little kids can safely see it. Bad points: As I said above, it's *not* classical Arthurian mythos; Arthur, Camelot et al are pretty much bit players in the main story. It *is* a kids' film, so don't expect High Drama or Great Acting. The main hero is a young woman who wants to be a knight, her male counterpart is blind, but still a good fighter; I'm not sure if this qualifies as "innovative" or just "politically correct". It was amusing in a fluffy sort of way; we'll probably buy the video for the kids when it comes out. -Tivar Moondragon Ansteorra C and E Zakes Tivar Moondragon (Patience and Persistence) and Aethelyan of Moondragon (Decadence is its own reward) moondrgn@bga.com ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mindspring.net!news.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: thadvick@mindspring.com (Thaddaeus A. Vick) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: "Quest for Camelot" review Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 17:40:28 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 23 Message-ID: <35670984.9401873@news.mindspring.com> References: <35672da8.1060790@news2.bga.com> <6k9jn2$2op$1@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca> Reply-To: thadvick@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: user-38lcojn.dialup.mindspring.com X-Server-Date: 24 May 1998 17:38:26 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 >Chris and Elisabeth Zakes (moondrgn@bga.com) wrote: > >> The story is pure fantasy >> The main hero is a young woman who wants to be a knight > > Like that would EVER happen! At our last Crown List, Sir Conal came to take a young lady as his squire. The king was overheard to make some comment like, "Female squires? They'll be knighting them next!" (He was joking of course. :) Too bad Sir Kytte wasn't there, or it could have been really funny. Hugh the Barefoot Barony of the South Downs, Meridies ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Thaddaeus Vick, Linguist to the Masses | thadvick@mindspring.com | | |http://www.mindspring.com/~thadvick| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | "Papa Hegel he say that all we learn from history is that we learn nothing | | from history. I know people who can't even learn from what happened this | | morning. Hegel must have been taking the long view." | | -- Chad C. Mulligan, sociology burnout | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-penn.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "Glenn L. Curtice" Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: "Quest for Camelot" review Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 03:45:07 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6k8mph$36e@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <35672da8.1060790@news2.bga.com> Reply-To: G-F.Curtice@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.236.35 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Greetings, good gentles. Mine and I, too, recently saw "Quest for Camelot", and would agree with the original post. I would also add, in the "Good points" section, that it is a lot of fun to try and catch all of the "in-jokes", not just visual, but little snippets of tunes throughout the movie. Yes, it is fluff, and hard-core authenticity types will probably die of apoplexy watching it, but every child in the theater was quiet for the entire movie - and that says a lot for a kid flick. So I, too, will be buying the video. First for my son (to keep him out of my hair while I'm working on armor or caligraphing), and second for myself (to try and catch all of the inside jokes that the kids won't get - one of my favorite things about Warner Bros. cartoons). Yours, Dietrich von Dahn (ps. It's such a shame I can't use Wyle E. Coyote, rampant, as a charge for my device - he fits me so well...) ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!ubnnews.unisource.ch!phoenix.siris.fr!news1.isdnet.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!cunews!wabakimi!lsmithen From: lsmithen@chat.carleton.ca (Lucas Smithen) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: "Quest for Camelot" review Date: 24 May 1998 17:00:18 GMT Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6k9jn2$2op$1@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca> References: <35672da8.1060790@news2.bga.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: wabakimi.carleton.ca NNTP-Posting-User: lsmithen X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Well its been a while since I started any trouble around here, I'm just stupid enough to not be able to resist. Chris and Elisabeth Zakes (moondrgn@bga.com) wrote: > The story is pure fantasy > The main hero is a young woman who wants to be a knight Like that would EVER happen! In Service to those that would have me, I remain ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Lord Evan QuickTongue Graham A. Yeates I'm going to Hell for THAT one! Email address: evan@skraeling.midrealm.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-penn.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ladykaroll@aol.com (Ladykaroll) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: "Quest for Camelot" review Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1998052419502800.PAA15787@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 May 1998 19:50:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35670984.9401873@news.mindspring.com> >>> The main hero is a young woman who wants to be a knight
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>> Like that would EVER happen!
In the real period world your are right never happen, but here is this world in this SCA many women are knights and more wants to be.I love it went a young girl looks up at lady figther going into the eric and I hear say " I want to be like her" Lady Karol ###### Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!surfnet.nl!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!cochran From: cochran@netcom.com (Mark A. Cochran) Subject: Re: "Quest for Camelot" review Message-ID: Organization: T.S.A.K.C. References: <35670984.9401873@news.mindspring.com> <1998052419502800.PAA15787@ladder03.news.aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 20:26:24 GMT Lines: 36 Sender: cochran@netcom10.netcom.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <1998052419502800.PAA15787@ladder03.news.aol.com>, Ladykaroll wrote: >>>> The main hero is a young woman who wants to be a knight
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>>> Like that would EVER happen!
> >In the real period world your are right never happen, On what do you base your assertion that no medieval woman ever aspired to Knighthood? Personally, I don't know one way or the other, but I cannot imagine how we can know what their hopes and dreams were. I believe it's been demonstrated that at least some women in period were given training in weapons to varying degrees, but has anyone found documentation of a period female Knight? Edward, Aarquelle, Outlands [This account protected by Spamgard(tm) - Mail without 'banana' in the Subject: header will be bounced unseen.] PGP and .sig file follows. Surprise your boss. Get to work on time. [Finger cochran@netcom.com for PGP Public Key] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.i iQCVAgUBNWiCaNo7GDsbn4ZNAQEj7wQAmQOMzfx2IawMo/yddqYtjUNmO8WgjTnR mPshx/Z3/QulHpgcjy7IJk6wAp7FvDFYYIG8DrpdFuLQ3CPZGmr3JVQgdAoPPP8E DGlj1eNXhYjO9h79ZqZYWIfMiiaontP9JvYCqeVWfWOxzH+FdFOm9ClgQkFAmXg7 WClZQRwUK78= =REeK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ###### Path: ccw.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: "Quest for Camelot" review Date: 25 May 1998 20:42:43 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <35670984.9401873@news.mindspring.com> <1998052419502800.PAA15787@ladder03.news.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 cochran@netcom.com (Mark A. Cochran) > In article <1998052419502800.PAA15787@ladder03.news.aol.com>, > Ladykaroll wrote: > >In the real period world your are right never happen, > > On what do you base your assertion that no medieval woman ever aspired > to Knighthood? Personally, I don't know one way or the other, but I > cannot imagine how we can know what their hopes and dreams were. > I believe it's been demonstrated that at least some women in period > were given training in weapons to varying degrees, but has anyone > found documentation of a period female Knight? Somewhere in Stefans Florilegium* there is an SCA-history post, that claims that SCA ladies were only allowed to become knights after one fighting lady delivered proof of female knights in period. * http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/rialto/rialto.html -- private: Neil.Franklin@ccw.ch.remove http://www.ccw.ch/Neil.Franklin/ office: franklin@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~franklin/ WinCE car, crashing soon on a road near you ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!151.164.30.38!newsgate.swbell.net!151.164.30.35.MISMATCH!cyclone.swbell.net!swbell!not-for-mail From: ldcharls@swbell.net Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: "Quest for Camelot" review Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 21:05:38 +0000 Organization: Southwestern Bell Internet Services, Richardson, TX Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3569DD22.6907@swbell.net> References: <35670984.9401873@news.mindspring.com> <1998052419502800.PAA15787@ladder03.news.aol.com> <6ka0e5$g51$1@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-207-193-25-154.austtx.swbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: (null) 896151603 20821 (None) 207.193.25.154 X-Complaints-To: usenet@nnrp1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-SBMH (Macintosh; I; 68K) Lucas Smithen wrote: >Although in the begining I had a few hangups about > "hitting a girl with a stick" (I knew my mother would not approve). Since > then, I have found it easier to forget about the gender hidden under the > helm, that, plus those shots to my head, has made me strangely earger to > perfect my slot shot. > Reminds me of a war I fought in while in Atlantia. During a woods battle, I see this Trimaran spear-carrier in a gold helm standing in the enemy's front rank. I figure that I can nail this person, so I run over and deliver a fatal stab to the body. Her husband replied with a ringing head shot :-) Lord Charles MacKinnon Barony of Bryn Gwlad Kingdom of Ansteorra ###### Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ais.net!ix.netcom.com!cochran From: cochran@netcom.com (Mark A. Cochran) Subject: Re: "Quest for Camelot" review Message-ID: Organization: T.S.A.K.C. References: <35670984.9401873@news.mindspring.com> <1998052419502800.PAA15787@ladder03.news.aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 00:03:24 GMT Lines: 44 Sender: cochran@netcom10.netcom.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article , Neil Franklin wrote: >cochran@netcom.com (Mark A. Cochran) >> In article <1998052419502800.PAA15787@ladder03.news.aol.com>, >> Ladykaroll wrote: >> >In the real period world your are right never happen, >> >> On what do you base your assertion that no medieval woman ever aspired >> to Knighthood? Personally, I don't know one way or the other, but I >> cannot imagine how we can know what their hopes and dreams were. >> I believe it's been demonstrated that at least some women in period >> were given training in weapons to varying degrees, but has anyone >> found documentation of a period female Knight? > >Somewhere in Stefans Florilegium* there is an SCA-history post, that >claims that SCA ladies were only allowed to become knights after one >fighting lady delivered proof of female knights in period. > That accords with my (admitedly far from perfect) memory. Wasn't it Sir Trudy? Edward, Aarquelle, Outlands [This account protected by Spamgard(tm) - Mail without 'banana' in the Subject: header will be bounced unseen.] PGP and .sig file follows. Ten years of rejection slips is nature's way of telling you to stop writing. -- R. Geis [Finger cochran@netcom.com for PGP Public Key] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.i iQCVAgUBNWoGx9o7GDsbn4ZNAQHjfgQAkjkjx07TJdQEi5EPNWWX1KGXXevUj5KY 3z2ktFsvIpWZyEWJ+Y6S18ri2sx4pAqiqKRJCwCOt5Sk1BwxR73T/VawOf8zw2Fg Hea/PDMAbmPQmfjPAxuFPVmmlQ7FYf3el9TTiXAJGP/aV2dQBIhaeopsruEWCsI2 z0D4zvxwX/Y= =F1GH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-penn.gip.net!news-dc.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.213.176.5!news.ntplx.net!not-for-mail From: "anti-spam" Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: "Quest for Camelot" review Date: 26 May 1998 16:20:20 GMT Organization: NETPLEX Internet Access (860) 233-1111 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <01bd88c1$2f5f91e0$c1bdd5cc@utherpd.netplx.net> References: <35670984.9401873@news.mindspring.com> <1998052419502800.PAA15787@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p07-08.hartford.dialin.ntplx.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 > >In the real period world your are right never happen, > > On what do you base your assertion that no medieval woman ever aspired > to Knighthood? Personally, I don't know one way or the other, but I > cannot imagine how we can know what their hopes and dreams were. > I believe it's been demonstrated that at least some women in period > were given training in weapons to varying degrees, but has anyone > found documentation of a period female Knight? > > Edward, Aarquelle, Outlands Joan of Arc? ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!news.fas.harvard.edu!rc188.harvard.edu!user From: tanyaw@world.std.com (Tanya Washburn) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: "Quest for Camelot" review Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 14:37:19 -0400 Organization: Alphabetical by Topic :-) Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <35670984.9401873@news.mindspring.com> <1998052419502800.PAA15787@ladder03.news.aol.com> <01bd88c1$2f5f91e0$c1bdd5cc@utherpd.netplx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rc188.harvard.edu In article <01bd88c1$2f5f91e0$c1bdd5cc@utherpd.netplx.net>, "anti-spam" wrote: > > >In the real period world your are right never happen, > > > > On what do you base your assertion that no medieval woman ever aspired > > to Knighthood? Personally, I don't know one way or the other, but I > > cannot imagine how we can know what their hopes and dreams were. > > I believe it's been demonstrated that at least some women in period > > were given training in weapons to varying degrees, but has anyone > > found documentation of a period female Knight? > > > > Edward, Aarquelle, Outlands > > Joan of Arc? In period fiction- Bradamamnte.... Sometimes the need to mess with their heads outweighs the millstone of humiliation. -Fox Mulder Life's like a movie, Write your own ending, Keep believing, Keep pretending. -The Muppet Movie