From: Smaug@REMOVEswbell.net (Smaug) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Roman Persona Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:08:51 GMT Organization: Southwestern Bell Internet Services, Richardson, TX Lines: 2 Message-ID: <350d4641.8918720@news.swbell.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-207-193-21-27.stlsmo.swbell.net X-Trace: (null) 890064196 8742 (None) 207.193.21.27 X-Complaints-To: usenet@nnrp3 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: ccw.ch!bali.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.207.0.25!nntp.texas.net!newsgate.swbell.net!swbell!not-for-mail Hello, Does anyone out there know of anyone who has pulled off a Roman persona? Say anywhere from 80 BC to 138 AD ###### From: Benoit Fiset Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Roman Persona Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:03:44 -0500 Organization: Ville de Quebec Lines: 36 Message-ID: <350D5B70.AA6B44CF@qbc.clic.net> References: <350d4641.8918720@news.swbell.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: riq-129-69.riq.qc.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Path: ccw.ch!bali.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Ottawa.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!nr1.ottawa.istar.net!not-for-mail Smaug wrote: > Hello, Does anyone out there know of anyone who has pulled off a Roman > persona? Say anywhere from 80 BC to 138 AD I never knew that the Middle-age was as late as 80...BC....... ummmm Que le Seigneur tout puissant vous veuille prester vie longue en toute et sincere félicité Seigneur Godfroy Garmallon Miles Christi! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Benoit Fiset a.k.a:Lord Godfroy Garmallon bfiset@clic.net In the Society for Creative Anachronisim http://www.sca.org/ Technicien en Géomatique GIS technicien Shire of Havre des Glace; East Kingdom http://www.qbc.clic.net/~bfiset/havreg/ Ville de Québec, Canada City of Quebec, Canada ###### From: jkrissw@aol.com Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Roman Persona Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:10:17 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6ek0s7$pvn$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <350d4641.8918720@news.swbell.net> <350D5B70.AA6B44CF@qbc.clic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.217.232.31 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Mar 16 20:10:17 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.01 (Win95; I) Path: ccw.ch!bali.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail In article <350D5B70.AA6B44CF@qbc.clic.net>, Benoit Fiset wrote: > > > Smaug wrote: > > > Hello, Does anyone out there know of anyone who has pulled off a Roman > > persona? Say anywhere from 80 BC to 138 AD > > I never knew that the Middle-age was as late as 80...BC....... There have been and are lots of Roman personae in Caid and the Outlands, not sure about Atenveldt. Caid even has a large Roman unit, the 9th Legion, that does a pretty good job of going for an authentic legion encampment (minus the ditch and stockade). Daveed of Granada -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading ###### From: winskool@aol.com (Winskool) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Roman Persona Date: 16 Mar 1998 18:37:46 GMT Lines: 10 Message-ID: <19980316183701.NAA04965@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <350D5B70.AA6B44CF@qbc.clic.net> Path: ccw.ch!bali.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail >> Hello, Does anyone out there know of anyone who has pulled off a Roman >> persona? Say anywhere from 80 BC to 138 AD Yes, in Calafia, in Caid, there used to be a whole war band called the Legio Hespania that had Roman personae. I don't know if they exist anymore or not, as I've not seen them around in a while. I think they were emulating the Ermine Street Guard in Britains Roman recreationist thing, with the exception that they actually used to fight at wars, while Ermine mainly does parades, poses for historical books and documentaries, and did those neat, what where they, MCI commercials a while back. ###### From: Benoit Fiset Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Roman Persona Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:28:20 -0500 Organization: iSTAR internet Incorporated Lines: 41 Message-ID: <350DFBE3.528CACB9@qbc.clic.net> References: <350d4641.8918720@news.swbell.net> <350D5B70.AA6B44CF@qbc.clic.net> <6ek0s7$pvn$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: riq-129-132.riq.qc.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Path: ccw.ch!bali.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!News.Vancouver.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!nr1.ottawa.istar.net!not-for-mail jkrissw@aol.com wrote: > In article <350D5B70.AA6B44CF@qbc.clic.net>, > Benoit Fiset wrote: > > > > > > Smaug wrote: > > > > > Hello, Does anyone out there know of anyone who has pulled off a Roman > > > persona? Say anywhere from 80 BC to 138 AD > > > > I never knew that the Middle-age was as late as 80...BC....... > > There have been and are lots of Roman personae in Caid and the Outlands, not > sure about Atenveldt. Caid even has a large Roman unit, the 9th Legion, that > does a pretty good job of going for an authentic legion encampment (minus the > ditch and stockade). > > Daveed of Granada > > > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading I am sure they are great, that they try to be as authentic as they could....My point is not there....It's only that I want to play the Middle-age game, I think that SCA should be a place where we could play the Middle-age game....like 1000-1600. Roman legion from 80 BC are as part of the middle-Age as a german solder from the First World War. Que le Seigneur tout puissant vous veuille prester vie longue en toute et sincere félicité Seigneur Godfroy Garmallon Miles Christi! ###### From: morphis@niuhep.physics.niu.edu Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Roman Persona Date: 17 Mar 1998 15:44:20 GMT Organization: N.Ill.U. Physics Dept. Lines: 59 Message-ID: <6em5ok$mbh@corn.cso.niu.edu> References: <350d4641.8918720@news.swbell.net> <350D5B70.AA6B44CF@qbc.clic.net> <6ek0s7$pvn$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <350DFBE3.528CACB9@qbc.clic.net> Reply-To: morphis@niuhep.physics.niu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: niuhep.physics.niu.edu Path: ccw.ch!bali.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!xfer.kren.ne.kr!xfer.kren.nm.kr!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ais.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!corn.cso.niu.edu!niuhep.physics.niu.edu!MORPHIS Benoit Fiset writes: >jkrissw@aol.com wrote: >> Benoit Fiset wrote: >> > Smaug wrote: >> > >> > > Hello, Does anyone out there know of anyone who has pulled off a Roman >> > > persona? Say anywhere from 80 BC to 138 AD >> > >> > I never knew that the Middle-age was as late as 80...BC....... >> >> There have been and are lots of Roman personae in Caid and the Outlands, >> not sure about Atenveldt. Caid even has a large Roman unit, the 9th Legion, >> that does a pretty good job of going for an authentic legion encampment >> (minus the ditch and stockade). >> >> Daveed of Granada >> > I am sure they are great, that they try to be as authentic as they could... >My point is not there....It's only that I want to play the Middle-age game, >I think that SCA should be a place where we could play the Middle-age game... >like 1000-1600. Roman legion from 80 BC are as part of the middle-Age as a >german solder from the First World War. Please go read the Samauri and related threads so we don't have to repeat the entire conversation. Now with the nitpicking... The most common spread I have seen for the middle-ages is 500-1500 AD. Those people who like to put "the Dark ages" between the middle ages and classical era sometimes start the Middle Ages as late as 800. There are others who push it back to 300 A.D.. The earliest I have seen the end of the Middle ages dated is 1350 or so after the Black Death had wiped out 1/3-1/2 of the population thus changing the society. The late 1500s are at best a transition between the Middle Ages and the Ren.. The difference between 900 A.D. and 1550, in England or Scandinavia or France ... is at least as great as the difference between the Roman Empire (or Republic) and 1400 western Europe. There is probably a bigger difference in military between 1400 and 1600 than between 80 BC and 1400 AD A Roman soldier wears armour made of steel and leather, and uses a spear and/or sword A Viking wears ... and uses ... A Knight at Hastings wears ... and uses ... A Knight at Agincourt wears ... and uses ... A german soldier from WWI wears only a helmet for armour, uses a reliable rifle that is accurate and deadly at long distances, sits in a trench hoping not to be straffed by new-fangled planes (or have bombs hand dropped on him) or have an artillary shell drop on him. Robert the Pilegrim who also thinks that the Romans are a bit out of place but ... ###### From: "Bryan J. Maloney" Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Roman Persona Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:42:31 -0500 Organization: Ikki, ikki, ikki, p'teng. Zoo-phoing! Lines: 8 Sender: bjm10@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: <350EFC57.2ADF@cornell.edu> References: <350d4641.8918720@news.swbell.net> <350D5B70.AA6B44CF@qbc.clic.net> <6ek0s7$pvn$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <350DFBE3.528CACB9@qbc.clic.net> <6em5ok$mbh@corn.cso.niu.edu> Reply-To: bjm10@cornell.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: potato.cit.cornell.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Path: ccw.ch!bali.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!usenet morphis@niuhep.physics.niu.edu wrote: > thus changing the society. The late 1500s are at best a transition between > the Middle Ages and the Ren.. The late 1500s are the very end of the Renaissance in most of Europe. The 1600s was definitely the early Modern era in most of Europe. Renaissance culture was the ancestor of the early Modern culture. ###### From: eddieeffie@aol.com (EddieEffie) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Roman Persona Date: 17 Mar 1998 23:21:36 GMT Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1998031723213600.SAA23651@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <350EFC57.2ADF@cornell.edu> Path: ccw.ch!bali.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail >>Out of curiosity, do you think of 131 AD as being part of the Middle Ages? If not, how do you justify this persona for the SCA? He doesn't have to. The SCA has no early side cut off date. Effingham ###### From: "Rhys Goch" Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Roman Persona Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:25:32 -0600 Organization: BrightNet OKlahoma UseNet Server Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6enppv$eg9$1@sooner.birghtok.net> References: <350EFC57.2ADF@cornell.edu> <1998031723213600.SAA23651@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ctidavis1p12.brightok.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: ccw.ch!bali.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.30.97.15!sooner.brightok.net!not-for-mail EddieEffie wrote in message <1998031723213600.SAA23651@ladder01.news.aol.com>... >>>Out of curiosity, do you think of 131 AD as being part of the Middle Ages? >If not, how do you justify this persona for the SCA? > >He doesn't have to. The SCA has no early side cut off date. > >Effingham I agree. Last I checked all it said was Pre-17th Century Western Culture (or some such similar). It doesn't say anything about the earliest date allowed. Rhys Goch ap Maelgwn mka: Samuel Walters Incipient Shire of Rothundburg/Ansteorra mka: Davis, OK Between the idea and the reality, Between the motion and the act. Falls the Shadow. T.S. Elliot "The Hollow Men" ###### From: schuldy@abel.harvard.edu (Mark Schuldenfrei) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Roman Persona Date: 18 Mar 1998 16:55:57 GMT Organization: My own little corner. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6eouat$8od$1@news.fas.harvard.edu> References: <350EFC57.2ADF@cornell.edu> <1998031723213600.SAA23651@ladder01.news.aol.com> <6enppv$eg9$1@sooner.birghtok.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: abel.math.harvard.edu Path: ccw.ch!bali.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!news.fas.harvard.edu!abel!schuldy Rhys Goch wrote: I agree. Last I checked all it said was Pre-17th Century Western Culture (or some such similar). It doesn't say anything about the earliest date allowed. Why not take a minute, and count the number of times the phrases "Renaissance", "Middle Ages", "Medieval" and so forth appear in the various Governing Documents? Then, of course, one can ask the question again. (:-) Tibor (I'm pretty sure Roman era is pre-Medieval. YMMV) -- Mark Schuldenfrei (schuldy@math.harvard.edu) "Yep. I have often wished I could charge an idiot tax. But then, I probably would have been hit up for change a few time myself." -- Devin ###### Path: ccw.ch!usenet From: Neil.Franklin.remove.this@ccw.ch Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Roman Persona Date: 19 Mar 1998 01:21:39 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <350EFC57.2ADF@cornell.edu> <1998031723213600.SAA23651@ladder01.news.aol.com> <6enppv$eg9$1@sooner.birghtok.net> <6eouat$8od$1@news.fas.harvard.edu> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 schuldy@abel.harvard.edu (Mark Schuldenfrei) wrote: > Tibor (I'm pretty sure Roman era is pre-Medieval. YMMV) Well now you can be absolutely sure. The term "middle ages" (an hence also medieval) was invented by the renaissance people as a name for the time between (= in the middle of) the downfall of classical rome and its rebirth (the word renaissance means rebirth). Medieval is post-roman, so roman is pre-medieval. -- private: Neil.Franklin.remove.this@ccw.ch, http://www.ccw.ch/Neil.Franklin/ office: franklin.remove.this@arch.ethz.ch, http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~franklin/ If I go missing, its once again my newsfeed that has craped ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news.linkline.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.97.128.3!usenet.logical.net!not-for-mail From: lazarus@capital.net (Jamison J. Long Esq.) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Roman Persona Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 21:56:39 -0500 Organization: Long-Range Productions Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <350EFC57.2ADF@cornell.edu> <1998031723213600.SAA23651@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup144.platny1.capital.net X-Newsreader: Anawave Gravity v2.00 In article <1998031723213600.SAA23651@ladder01.news.aol.com>, eddieeffie@aol.com says... > >>Out of curiosity, do you think of 131 AD as being part of the Middle Ages? > If not, how do you justify this persona for the SCA? > > He doesn't have to. The SCA has no early side cut off date. > > Effingham > Thank you Effingham, You are quite correct with there being no Early side cut off for personas in the SCA, I do not HAVE to justify my persona as being medieval, It is my belief that the AVERAGE personas fall in the Medieval period, however, I do not count the Renaissance as medieval either yet we congratulate and accept those with high Tudor Garb or Spanish or even french renaissance personas. Must we seek to discredit those who work hard to make the work and research they do so faithfully not up to Our "Standards"? I would not seek to undermine your work so why undermine my own. we should be working together to study all of early history not only our own little segments. That is why I LOVE the SCA, it is lots of different view points a true MELTING POT of early history. Dominus Ambrosius Torris MKA Jamison Long lazarus@capital.net