From: "Trevor Barker" <barkert@delete.logica.com>
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Subject: Re: Weird question about time
Date: 19 Feb 1998 18:56:07 GMT
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Dennis O'Connor <dmoc@primenet.com> wrote
> sunshinegirl wrote
> |A friend of mine theorized that time is eternal, but the only way it can
be
> |eternal is to be circular.
> 
> This isn't true.  We human beings experience things as
> having a start and an end, and therefor wonder what there
> might have been "before space-time" or "before God(s)".
> 
> Of course, it could also be that time isn't eternal after all.
> 
> Either way, time wouldn't be circular.  It still might be, but
> there I haven't seen a strong argument that it is.

I seem to recall a clerk at Oxford telling me that God exists outside time,
and is therefore eternal (which also explains how Christ can be begotten
yet eternal).

Time as we know it began with the Creation in 4004BC (or whenever).  I
don't know whether time will end on the Day of Judgement, or whether it
exists / will exist in Paradise.

Can anyone enlighten a poor scholar?

Brother Ifor, monk and student at the University of Riversmeet in the
Principality of the Far Isles.
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Trevor Barker
trevor (at) weylea (dot) demon.co.uk
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Haifuku!

> >>: I seem to recall a clerk at Oxford telling me that God exists outside time,
> >>: and is therefore eternal (which also explains how Christ can be begotten
> >>: yet eternal).
> 
> >>      He may have gotten this from Boethius' "Consolation of Philosophy".
> 
> It's older than Boethius. The Cappadocian fathers (Ss Basil the Great, John
> Chrysostom, Gregory the New Theologian) etc. said that in the fourth century.
> 
> One for Orthodoxy. <G>
> 
> Effingham

	It seems self-evident to me that if God is all powerful, then he would
clearly not be affected by time. Did it really take four centuries for
someone to figure this out?

	Yumitori

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From: Russ Gilman-Hunt <conchobar@rocketmail.com>
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The esteemed Yumitori wrote;

> 
>         It seems self-evident to me that if God is all powerful, then he would
> clearly not be affected by time. Did it really take four centuries for
> someone to figure this out?
> 
>         Yumitori

And I muttered into my extremely short (no shaving this morning)
beard...

Only if he chooses to not be affected by time.  But you knew that.


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From: kellogg@rohan.sdsu.edu (C. Kevin Kellogg)
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Trevor Barker (barkert@delete.logica.com) wrote:

: I seem to recall a clerk at Oxford telling me that God exists outside time,
: and is therefore eternal (which also explains how Christ can be begotten
: yet eternal).

	He may have gotten this from Boethius' "Consolation of Philosophy".
I heartily recommend that you read it.

		Avenel Kellough

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>>: I seem to recall a clerk at Oxford telling me that God exists outside time,
>>: and is therefore eternal (which also explains how Christ can be begotten
>>: yet eternal).

>>	He may have gotten this from Boethius' "Consolation of Philosophy".


It's older than Boethius. The Cappadocian fathers (Ss Basil the Great, John
Chrysostom, Gregory the New Theologian) etc. said that in the fourth century. 

One for Orthodoxy. <G>

Effingham

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From: kellogg@rohan.sdsu.edu (C. Kevin Kellogg)
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EddieEffie (eddieeffie@aol.com) wrote:
: Avenel Kellough wrote:
: >>	He may have gotten this from Boethius' "Consolation of Philosophy".


: It's older than Boethius. The Cappadocian fathers (Ss Basil the Great, John
: Chrysostom, Gregory the New Theologian) etc. said that in the fourth century. 

	Okay, by a century and a half.  However, how likely was a English clerk
to have read those authors, as opposed to Boethius, one of the most popular
writers in Western Christandom?  I didn't say anything about Boethius originating
the thought, just that he was the most likely source.

		Avenel Kellough

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"Trevor Barker" <barkert@delete.logica.com> wrote:
>I seem to recall a clerk at Oxford telling me that God exists outside time,
>and is therefore eternal (which also explains how Christ can be begotten
>yet eternal).

Methinks this clerk screwed it:

a) god eternal = existes _in_ time for time -infinite to time +infinite
b) god outside time = exists for time = N/A (not aplicable)

-infinite to +infinite is not part of N/A

We have here a nice contradiction.


Hmm. Pseudo-Maths at 2:00am. I should really stop it and go to bed :-)


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