From: ldcharls@swbell.net
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Lysander wrote:
> Will do. Good Idea, a pamphlet. I didn't mean uniform as such, but it was
> the only word I could think of at the time. I meant that we should pick
> some standard manner of dress, so that when people don't know what to
> wear, or don't have the impetus to do some hard research, or the money
> that is needed for the fancy stuff, or <insert other valid hindrances to
> re-creating clothing of nobility, pre-17th Century>. As a standard, it
> would have to be a clothing style which is realtively simple, familiar,
> inexpensive, and there are sufficient resources available to document its
> existance as a common style of clothing. As I said, peasant is fairly
> ubiquitous, however Germanic Tribal clothing and Norman/Saxon clothing are
> all suitable options.

  Why limit it to one? A fairly short description on each style, with
constuction notes, color suggestions, diagrams, etc, shouldn't take too
much space, and that would give the newcomer you give it to some good
options on making good starter gear.
  When you do get it worked up, let me know. I'd be interested to see
it, and pass it along to my baronial and kingdom hospitalers.

Lord Charles MacKinnon
Barony of Bryn Gwlad
Kingdom of Ansteorra

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From: ladypdc@aol.com (Lady PDC)
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>A fairly short description on each style, with
>constuction notes, color suggestions, diagrams, etc, shouldn't take too
>much space, and that would give the newcomer you give it to some good
>options on making good starter gear.

Speaking as a newcomer, some actual pictures (though perhaps a little more
expensive) would be very helpful and go a long way towards eliminating the
"gosh that is a pretty gown Lady X has on, I want one just like it" (even
though the gown is OOP) confusion which hits the newcomer and causes many of
the "authenticity" problems.

Constance De LeRose

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From: ldcharls@swbell.net
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Lady PDC wrote:
> Speaking as a newcomer, some actual pictures (though perhaps a little more
> expensive) would be very helpful and go a long way towards eliminating the
> "gosh that is a pretty gown Lady X has on, I want one just like it" (even
> though the gown is OOP) confusion which hits the newcomer and causes many of
> the "authenticity" problems.

  Trust me, Milady, it would be more than 'a little' more expensive. I
work for a quick-print firm, and I can tell you, charges for putting
photographs in a booklet are not cheap. Also, photos are notorious for
losing detail when copied, even when you screen them for photocopying.
Some good, clear drawings and diagrams would be much clearer and easier
to glean information from.
  The trick, of course, is to make the information clear enough that
those who are not garb Laurels can make sense of them.

Lord Charles MacKinnon
Barony of Bryn Gwlad
Kingdom of Ansteorra

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Lysander wrote:
> Will do. Good Idea, a pamphlet.
ldcharls@swbell.net wrote:
>  When you do get it worked up, let me know. I'd be interested to see
>it, and pass it along to my baronial and kingdom hospitalers.

And don't forget to send a copy to those that make the Known Worlde
Handboke. That is read by many a newbie.

Oh, and a HTML/GIF copy on the www.sca.org site would perhaps also be
a good idea.
With a reference to it from http://www.sca.org/sca-intro.html
Would parallel the Renfaire costume guide http://www.renfair.com/guide.htm

-- 
Neil.Franklin@ccw.ch.nospam (remove .nospam), http://www.ccw.ch/Neil.Franklin/
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From: "Trevor Barker" <barkert@delete.logica.com>
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ldcharls@swbell.net wrote:
> Lady PDC wrote:
> > Speaking as a newcomer, some actual pictures (though perhaps a little
more
> > expensive) would be very helpful and go a long way towards eliminating
the
> > "gosh that is a pretty gown Lady X has on, I want one just like it"
(even
> > though the gown is OOP) confusion which hits the newcomer and causes
many of
> > the "authenticity" problems.
> 
>   Trust me, Milady, it would be more than 'a little' more expensive. I
> work for a quick-print firm, and I can tell you, charges for putting
> photographs in a booklet are not cheap. Also, photos are notorious for
> losing detail when copied, even when you screen them for photocopying.
> Some good, clear drawings and diagrams would be much clearer and easier
> to glean information from.
>   The trick, of course, is to make the information clear enough that
> those who are not garb Laurels can make sense of them.

I'm an apprentice seamster (sp?) myself, and I'd vote for diagrams as well.
 I guess the best medium for showing photographs of costume is the
Internet, but even that's not perfect - I find most photographs lose
clarity when scanned in.

Incidentally, I'm uploading some articles on simple costuming for
beginners, as and when I get the time to convert them.  You can see what
I've collected so far at
http://www.weylea.demon.co.uk/farisles/begin/
( or go through the home page at http://members.aol.com/farisles )

I'd welcome any suggestions and comments.

Trevor.
(medievally, Robert fitz John)
-- 
Opinions expressed are mine and not those of Logica
guilds "at" weylea "dot" demon.co.uk

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From: bl10@uow.edu.au (Lysander)
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Neil Franklin wrote:

> Lysander wrote:
> > Will do. Good Idea, a pamphlet.

> ldcharls@swbell.net wrote:
> >  When you do get it worked up, let me know. I'd be interested to see
> >it, and pass it along to my baronial and kingdom hospitalers.
 
> And don't forget to send a copy to those that make the Known Worlde
> Handboke. That is read by many a newbie.

> Oh, and a HTML/GIF copy on the www.sca.org site would perhaps also be
> a good idea.

I'm actually writing a book, and it will be freely available on the
internet when completed. Anyone who wishes to submit artciles of
Historical/SCA relevance is perfectly welcome to email them to me; all
rights revert to the originals authors etc.

Lysander

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From: bl10@uow.edu.au (Lysander)
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In article <34AED36D.403D@swbell.net>, ldcharls@swbell.net wrote:

> Lady PDC wrote:
> > Speaking as a newcomer, some actual pictures (though perhaps a little more
> > expensive) would be very helpful and go a long way towards eliminating the
> > "gosh that is a pretty gown Lady X has on, I want one just like it" (even
> > though the gown is OOP) confusion which hits the newcomer and causes many of
> > the "authenticity" problems.
>
>   Trust me, Milady, it would be more than 'a little' more expensive. I
> work for a quick-print firm, and I can tell you, charges for putting
> photographs in a booklet are not cheap. Also, photos are notorious for
> losing detail when copied, even when you screen them for photocopying.
> Some good, clear drawings and diagrams would be much clearer and easier
> to glean information from

Exactly. Concise line drawings are worth a thousand words. Photographs are
unnecessary, as I have found.

Lysander
Lysander
Seneschal, College of St. Malachy
(Agaricus, Lochac, Kingdom of the West)