From: Tom Valeriano Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: weapon ettiquitte Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:53:07 -0500 Organization: Wackyland Inc. Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3490C332.6902E815@wackyland.com> Reply-To: tom@wackyland.com NNTP-Posting-Host: tcwl10.talon.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.onenet.net!news.oru.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!207.44.3.66!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!not-for-mail Hiya, I notice when i'm at events that everyone seems to carry daggers, does anyone carry bigger weapns? Rapiers for example. Or is this a no no. What about ettiquitte for say carrying a weapon, would you not wear it to court? Eagrly drooling over a new rapier, Tommaso -- Reality is for those lacking imagination ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thomas Valeriano, Creative Endeavors and Concepts Tomv@wackyland.com http://www.wackyland.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ###### Message-ID: <34917248.4A11@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:20:08 -0600 From: Berwyn X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.org.sca To: tom@wackyland.com Subject: Re: weapon ettiquitte References: <3490C332.6902E815@wackyland.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.151.174 Organization: IBM.NET Lines: 21 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.wildstar.net!cancer.vividnet.com!recycled.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!166.72.151.174 > I notice when i'm at events that everyone seems to carry daggers, > does anyone carry bigger weapns? Rapiers for example. Or is this a no > no. What about ettiquitte for say carrying a weapon, would you not wear > it to court? WARNING> There may be some inter-kingdom differences, but I think its pretty much the same all over. As long as the site does not prohibit it, you can wear any period weapon SAFELY. That means it should be properly sheathed, and its a good idea to have it peace bonded (tied into the sheath so that it's not easily drawn or dropped). You can wear the weapon to attend court, but it should be removed if you are called into the Royal Presence. This is best done quietly at your seat, but I've seen some good schtick in disarming in the aisle before aproaching. My favorite is when an renouned cook removed the spoon from around his neck and laid it in the aisle. And of course if you want to show the blade to someone, call "Clear" before drawing it. Berwyn ###### From: ldcharls@swbell.net Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: weapon ettiquitte Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 20:07:15 +0000 Organization: Southwestern Bell Internet Services, Richardson, TX Lines: 30 Message-ID: <34919972.57D0@swbell.net> References: <3490C332.6902E815@wackyland.com> <34917248.4A11@ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-207-193-45-129.austtx.swbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: nnrp3.rcsntx.swbell.net 881978606 26054 (None) 207.193.45.129 X-Complaints-To: usenet@nnrp3.rcsntx.swbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-SBMH (Macintosh; I; 68K) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.onenet.net!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!zdc!super.zippo.com!lotsanews.com!swbell!not-for-mail Berwyn wrote: > WARNING> There may be some inter-kingdom differences, but I think its > pretty much the same all over. > > As long as the site does not prohibit it, you can wear any period > weapon SAFELY. That means it should be properly sheathed, and its a > good idea to have it peace bonded (tied into the sheath so that it's not > easily drawn or dropped). > You can wear the weapon to attend court, but it should be removed if > you are called into the Royal Presence. This is best done quietly at > your seat, but I've seen some good schtick in disarming in the aisle > before aproaching. My favorite is when an renouned cook removed the > spoon from around his neck and laid it in the aisle. > And of course if you want to show the blade to someone, call "Clear" > before drawing it. > > Berwyn While peace bonding and sheathing is a good idea, it is not appropriate for all weapons (after all, how do you sheath a mace?) The overall rule is that one does not carry/display/use a weapon in a reckless manner, regardless of length. While your kingdom is probably different, here in Ansteorra it is considered impolite to disarm yourself before entering the Presence. I guess we just gotta be different here ;) Lord Charles Mackinnon Barony of Bryn Gwlad Kingdom of Ansteorra ###### Path: ccw.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: weapon ettiquitte Date: 13 Dec 1997 23:00:56 +0100 Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <3490C332.6902E815@wackyland.com> <34917248.4A11@ibm.net> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Berwyn> some inter-kingdom differences peace bonding and sheathing is a good idea Charles Mackinnon> here in Ansteorra it is considered impolite to disarm yourself before entering the Presence. I guess we just gotta be different here ;) Here in Drachenwald it is simply Kingdom Law to sheath and disarm: In http://www.users.wineasy.se/gilliam/law.htm: 14.03 The Right to Bear Steel 14.03.1 All members of the Kingdom shall be assured of the right to bear steel. 14.03.2 Those members found to be irresponsible,through misconduct or negligence, with their weapons, shall forfeit the right to bear steel in the Kingdom. 14.03.3 ALL bladed weapons shall be carried sheathed. ALL blades will be passively bonded at S.C.A. events, except for <<<------- ceremonial duties of the Royal Guard. 14.03.4 Weapons of War shall not be carried before the Throne, <<<------- without the permission of the Crown, during Court (Knights are excluded from this restriction). Swords are obviously Weapons of War, but do daggers or rapiers fall under 14.03.4? That I do not know. There was once a post on the rialto (I can't find it any more) about a kingdom with such a law where one king declared it not to apply while his reign, with the exeption of one single person known for a disarming schtick. -- Neil.Franklin@ccw.ch, http://www.ccw.ch/Neil.Franklin/ for Geek Code, Papernet, Voicenet, PGP public key see http: Any computer, that is running optimally, is outdated; including my Cx486 ###### From: ldcharls@swbell.net Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: weapon ettiquitte Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 02:59:17 +0000 Organization: Southwestern Bell Internet Services, Richardson, TX Lines: 33 Message-ID: <34934B86.77FA@swbell.net> References: <3490C332.6902E815@wackyland.com> <34917248.4A11@ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-207-193-26-146.austtx.swbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: nnrp1.rcsntx.swbell.net 882089722 18347 (None) 207.193.26.146 X-Complaints-To: usenet@nnrp1.rcsntx.swbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-SBMH (Macintosh; I; 68K) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.wildstar.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!151.164.1.34!swbell!not-for-mail Neil Franklin wrote: > Here in Drachenwald it is simply Kingdom Law to sheath and disarm: > > In http://www.users.wineasy.se/gilliam/law.htm: > 14.03 The Right to Bear Steel > 14.03.1 All members of the Kingdom shall be assured of the right > to bear steel. > 14.03.2 Those members found to be irresponsible,through > misconduct or negligence, with their weapons, shall forfeit the > right to bear steel in the Kingdom. > 14.03.3 ALL bladed weapons shall be carried sheathed. ALL > blades will be passively bonded at S.C.A. events, except for <<<------- > ceremonial duties of the Royal Guard. > 14.03.4 Weapons of War shall not be carried before the Throne, <<<------- > without the permission of the Crown, during Court (Knights are > excluded from this restriction). > Well, I suppose I should remember that if i ever happen to visit your Kingdom. It's always interesting to see the differences in how the same basic ceremonies differ in other kingdoms. What do they do if you forget, throw you in the oubliette? A dozen lashes with wet rattan? Make you fill out all the event's reports? Well, maybe not that, what crown would be THAT cruel? :) > Swords are obviously Weapons of War, but do daggers or rapiers fall > under 14.03.4? That I do not know. I would presume they would, if they were clearly weapons, not the little knives most folk cart around. Lord Charles MacKinnon Barony of Bryn Gwlad Kingdom of Ansteorra ###### From: tamela@pyramid.cs.unr.edu (Tamela R. Germano) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: weapon ettiquitte Date: 14 Dec 1997 05:34:07 GMT Organization: UNR Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <3490C332.6902E815@wackyland.com> <34917248.4A11@ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: red-monkey.sparks.nv.us X-Newsreader: Value-Added NewsWatcher 2.0b27.1+ Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news1.best.com!news.greatbasin.net!red-monkey.sparks.nv.us!user In article , Neil Franklin wrote: > Here in Drachenwald it is simply Kingdom Law to sheath and disarm: > > In http://www.users.wineasy.se/gilliam/law.htm: > 14.03 The Right to Bear Steel > 14.03.1 All members of the Kingdom shall be assured of the right > to bear steel. > 14.03.2 Those members found to be irresponsible,through > misconduct or negligence, with their weapons, shall forfeit the > right to bear steel in the Kingdom. > 14.03.3 ALL bladed weapons shall be carried sheathed. ALL > blades will be passively bonded at S.C.A. events, except for <<<------- > ceremonial duties of the Royal Guard. > 14.03.4 Weapons of War shall not be carried before the Throne, <<<------- > without the permission of the Crown, during Court (Knights are > excluded from this restriction). > > Swords are obviously Weapons of War, but do daggers or rapiers fall > under 14.03.4? That I do not know. > Neil.Franklin@ccw.ch, http://www.ccw.ch/Neil.Franklin/ > for Geek Code, Papernet, Voicenet, PGP public key see http: > Any computer, that is running optimally, is outdated; including my Cx486 So, if my Lady Wife and I save up for and go on that trip to Europe we have wanted to take, and attend a Drachenwald event, am I covered under 14.03.4? Should I ask my King for an Ambassadorial portfolio before I leave? How do I "passively bond" my 1.75 meter two-handed sword? Or for that matter how to I sheath it? The same questions apply to my pole-arms as well. (steel) Unless the King/Queen or Prince/Princesses on the throne change things for their time in office, both disarming and "passively bonded" weapon rules do not exist here in my neck of the West. That I know of at least, and that leaves LOTS of room for me to be wrong :-) Dino Germano, aka Sir Vincenzo di Calabria, KSCA West or as Sir "Yo! Vinnie!" Dino in Reno ###### From: ldcharls@swbell.net Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: weapon ettiquitte Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 02:59:17 +0000 Organization: Southwestern Bell Internet Services, Richardson, TX Lines: 33 Message-ID: <34934B86.77FA@swbell.net> References: <3490C332.6902E815@wackyland.com> <34917248.4A11@ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-207-193-26-146.austtx.swbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: nnrp1.rcsntx.swbell.net 882089722 18347 (None) 207.193.26.146 X-Complaints-To: usenet@nnrp1.rcsntx.swbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-SBMH (Macintosh; I; 68K) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.wildstar.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!151.164.1.34!swbell!not-for-mail Neil Franklin wrote: > Here in Drachenwald it is simply Kingdom Law to sheath and disarm: > > In http://www.users.wineasy.se/gilliam/law.htm: > 14.03 The Right to Bear Steel > 14.03.1 All members of the Kingdom shall be assured of the right > to bear steel. > 14.03.2 Those members found to be irresponsible,through > misconduct or negligence, with their weapons, shall forfeit the > right to bear steel in the Kingdom. > 14.03.3 ALL bladed weapons shall be carried sheathed. ALL > blades will be passively bonded at S.C.A. events, except for <<<------- > ceremonial duties of the Royal Guard. > 14.03.4 Weapons of War shall not be carried before the Throne, <<<------- > without the permission of the Crown, during Court (Knights are > excluded from this restriction). > Well, I suppose I should remember that if i ever happen to visit your Kingdom. It's always interesting to see the differences in how the same basic ceremonies differ in other kingdoms. What do they do if you forget, throw you in the oubliette? A dozen lashes with wet rattan? Make you fill out all the event's reports? Well, maybe not that, what crown would be THAT cruel? :) > Swords are obviously Weapons of War, but do daggers or rapiers fall > under 14.03.4? That I do not know. I would presume they would, if they were clearly weapons, not the little knives most folk cart around. Lord Charles MacKinnon Barony of Bryn Gwlad Kingdom of Ansteorra ###### Path: ccw.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: weapon ettiquitte Date: 14 Dec 1997 22:47:08 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: <3490C332.6902E815@wackyland.com> <34917248.4A11@ibm.net> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Neil Franklin: > 14.03.3 ALL bladed weapons shall be carried sheathed. ALL > blades will be passively bonded at S.C.A. events, except for <<<------- > ceremonial duties of the Royal Guard. > 14.03.4 Weapons of War shall not be carried before the Throne, <<<------- > without the permission of the Crown, during Court (Knights are > excluded from this restriction). Dino Germano: > So, if my Lady Wife and I save up for and go on that trip to Europe we >have wanted to take, and attend a Drachenwald event, am I covered under >14.03.4? Laws usually apply to everyone present in the sphere of their effect. I expect that if I visited the US for Pennsic I fall under their laws. So I assume you would fall under the Drachenwald laws. As for enforcement and you having to abide, read my answer in the following post to Lord Charles MacKinnon. Dino Germano: >Should I ask my King for an Ambassadorial portfolio before I leave? That would cause a mix up. Dipliomatic confrontation! A war? :-) Dino Germano: > How do I "passively bond" my 1.75 meter two-handed sword? Or for that >matter how to I sheath it? The same questions apply to my pole-arms as >well. (steel) [Sarcasm on] They are in their natural sheaths. And can't you see the bond? Both made of air (a material definitely available in period, but perhaps not used for this purpose). [Sarcasm off] P.S. would you carry such heavy stuff on a visit over here? In addition to your list-fighting gear you will be carrying, I assume? P.P.S. how (in what) do you actually carry such a size weapon (which is obviously part of your garb) on you? Just curiosity on my part. Dino Germano: >rules do not exist here in my neck of the West. That I know of at least, >and that leaves LOTS of room for me to be wrong :-) Anyone know the official stance in other Kingdoms? And how does the actual behaviour at events differ? Perhaps we should petition their Majesties to drop such laws. -- Neil.Franklin@ccw.ch, http://www.ccw.ch/Neil.Franklin/ for Geek Code, Papernet, Voicenet, PGP public key see http: Any computer, that is running optimally, is outdated; including my Cx486 ###### Path: ccw.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: weapon ettiquitte Date: 15 Dec 1997 01:21:11 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <3490C332.6902E815@wackyland.com> <34917248.4A11@ibm.net> <34934B86.77FA@swbell.net> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Neil Franklin wrote: > 14.03.3 ALL bladed weapons shall be carried sheathed. ALL > blades will be passively bonded at S.C.A. events, except for <<<------- > ceremonial duties of the Royal Guard. Lord Charles MacKinnon wrote: > Well, I suppose I should remember that if i ever happen to visit your > Kingdom. It's always interesting to see the differences in how the same > basic ceremonies differ in other kingdoms. > What do they do if you forget, throw you in the oubliette? A dozen > lashes with wet rattan? Make you fill out all the event's reports? Well, > maybe not that, what crown would be THAT cruel? :) I don't know whether these laws are actually enforced (and that is what counts after all). I live over 100 miles from the next events and have no car, so I haven't visited events yet (I intend to change that in future). Also note that I only found out about above law accidentally. I was a bit bored and went surfing and decided to download the laws. Most likely many members here don't know about above laws either. Is there an active Drachenwald event go-er reading this group who can shed light on the actual handling of these laws, by members and the crown? Neil Franklin wrote: > Swords are obviously Weapons of War, but do daggers or rapiers fall > under 14.03.4? That I do not know. Lord Charles MacKinnon wrote: > I would presume they would, if they were clearly weapons, not the > little knives most folk cart around. Again here: Anyone with event experience who can answer this one? -- Neil.Franklin@ccw.ch, http://www.ccw.ch/Neil.Franklin/ for Geek Code, Papernet, Voicenet, PGP public key see http: Any computer, that is running optimally, is outdated; including my Cx486 ###### From: Anthony Bryant Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: weapon ettiquitte Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 22:34:50 -0500 Organization: Nortel Information Network Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3495F6D2.3303@socantel.net> References: <3490C332.6902E815@wackyland.com> <34917248.4A11@ibm.net> <34919972.57D0@swbell.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.10.10.6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0-C-AICK1-2 (Macintosh; U; PPC) Cache-Post-Path: nntpcache2.nortel.net!unknown@firewall.socantel.net Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!137.118.1.39!news-feed.nortel.net!news.nortel.net!not-for-mail ldcharls@swbell.net wrote: >(after all, how do you sheath a mace?) Ummm.... carefully? Now THAT'S a scabbard I'd love to see. Edward ###### From: warhound@cybcon.com (Andrew mac Fergus) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: weapon ettiquitte Date: 16 Dec 1997 05:03:06 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: <67522a$5vb$2@usenet87.supernews.com> References: <3490C332.6902E815@wackyland.com> <34917248.4A11@ibm.net> <34919972.57D0@swbell.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 6123@205.147.64.49 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!cybcon.com!warhound ldcharls@swbell.net wrote: : While peace bonding and sheathing is a good idea, it is not : appropriate for all weapons (after all, how do you sheath a mace?) The : overall rule is that one does not carry/display/use a weapon in a : reckless manner, regardless of length. : While your kingdom is probably different, here in Ansteorra it is : considered impolite to disarm yourself before entering the Presence. I : guess we just gotta be different here ;) : Lord Charles Mackinnon : Barony of Bryn Gwlad : Kingdom of Ansteorra It always seemed kind of silly to me to disarm but that was the common etiquette in Calontir. I do not believe I've seen it done much here in the west. Andreas maqqas Feragusu -- The opinions expressed are mine and do not reflect the views of a rational human being. ###### From: drafnlord@aol.com (Drafn Lord) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: weapon ettiquitte Date: 16 Dec 1997 06:08:32 GMT Lines: 8 Message-ID: <19971216060801.BAA09009@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail >How do I "passively bond" my 1.75 meter two-handed sword? Or for that >matter how to I sheath it? The same questions apply to my pole-arms as >well. (steel) Your first problem is how to get these wepons on bord a plane! I faced this going to Lilies. Lady Jana ###### From: ldcharls@swbell.net Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: weapon ettiquitte Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:12:06 +0000 Organization: Southwestern Bell Internet Services, Richardson, TX Lines: 21 Message-ID: <349637D6.449C@swbell.net> References: <19971216060801.BAA09009@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-207-193-26-145.austtx.swbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: nnrp3.rcsntx.swbell.net 882281290 13746 (None) 207.193.26.145 X-Complaints-To: usenet@nnrp3.rcsntx.swbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-SBMH (Macintosh; I; 68K) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.eng.convex.com!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsrelay.netins.net!mr.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!131.103.1.114!news1.chicago.iagnet.net!iagnet.net!news2.digex.net!digex!swbell!not-for-mail Drafn Lord wrote: > > >How do I "passively bond" my 1.75 meter two-handed sword? Or for that > >matter how to I sheath it? The same questions apply to my pole-arms as > >well. (steel) > > Your first problem is how to get these wepons on bord a plane! I faced this > going to Lilies. > > Lady Jana Well, Milady, getting them on the plane isn't that hard. Store them in long cases (hard-shelled rifle cases might work, although polearms would have to break down in the middle to fit) or maybe golf bags in travel covers. Then you check them into cargo. So long as the weapon doesn't trigger the bomb sniffers, they'll most likely let it go, so long as you're not trying to CARRY it onto the plane. Lord Charles MacKinnon Barony of Bryn Gwlad Kingdom of Ansteorra ###### From: Lou Stewart Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: weapon ettiquitte Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:20:32 -0600 Organization: OnTheNet www.getonthe.net Lines: 23 Message-ID: <349744FD.52F9@ctwok.com> References: <19971216060801.BAA09009@ladder01.news.aol.com> <19971216231600.SAA15210@ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: lhs@ctwok.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.142.14.157 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.29.101.6!news.getonthe.net!not-for-mail RLobinske wrote: > > >>How do I "passively bond" my 1.75 meter two-handed sword? Or for that > >>matter how to I sheath it? The same questions apply to my pole-arms as > >>well. (steel) > > > > > > You build a side slotted scabbard for the sword so that it can be worn over the > shoulder and still comfortably drawn, then you run the peace tie from the > scabbard over the guard and around the grip. In Trimaris, pole weapons and > axes often have a leather cover over the cutting edge that can be peace bonded > in place. A courtesy to show that you do not bear the steel in an offensive > manner, or kingdom law in Trimaris (I belive), and obviously this varies > between kingdoms. > > Victor Hildebrand vonn Koln > Trimaris I agree; peace-bonding a potential weapon is nothing more than good sense, regardless of your kingdom's laws. I also make it a practice to secure my throwing axes and knives until I am ready to use them. It is always better to be safe than sorry. In service, Luigsech ni Ifearnain ###### From: rlobinske@aol.com (RLobinske) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: weapon ettiquitte Date: 16 Dec 1997 23:16:14 GMT Lines: 16 Message-ID: <19971216231600.SAA15210@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19971216060801.BAA09009@ladder01.news.aol.com> Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail >>How do I "passively bond" my 1.75 meter two-handed sword? Or for that >>matter how to I sheath it? The same questions apply to my pole-arms as >>well. (steel) > > You build a side slotted scabbard for the sword so that it can be worn over the shoulder and still comfortably drawn, then you run the peace tie from the scabbard over the guard and around the grip. In Trimaris, pole weapons and axes often have a leather cover over the cutting edge that can be peace bonded in place. A courtesy to show that you do not bear the steel in an offensive manner, or kingdom law in Trimaris (I belive), and obviously this varies between kingdoms. Victor Hildebrand vonn Koln Trimaris ###### Message-ID: <34977EF0.5D54@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 01:27:44 -0600 From: Berwyn X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: weapon ettiquitte References: <19971216060801.BAA09009@ladder01.news.aol.com> <19971216231600.SAA15210@ladder01.news.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.151.40 Organization: IBM.NET Lines: 11 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!166.72.151.40 In Trimaris, pole weapons and > axes often have a leather cover over the cutting edge that can be peace bonded > in place. A courtesy to show that you do not bear the steel in an offensive > manner Also not a bad idea for safety. I put a leather sheath on my camping axe so it only cuts what I want. If I had a polearm, I'd do the same. One of my shire-mates has a nasty scar on his leg from a poleaxe which was accidentally dropped. Berwyn ###### From: malloy@concentric.net (Sean Malloy) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: weapon ettiquitte Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 02:57:06 GMT Organization: Bureau of Natural Disasters, Planning Division Lines: 26 Message-ID: <34973cab.594071954@news.concentric.net> References: <3490C332.6902E815@wackyland.com> <34917248.4A11@ibm.net> <34919972.57D0@swbell.net> <3495F6D2.3303@socantel.net> Reply-To: malloy@concentric.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ts018d07.lap-ca.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.texas.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!global-news-master Anthony Bryant wrote: >ldcharls@swbell.net wrote: >>(after all, how do you sheath a mace?) >Ummm.... carefully? > >Now THAT'S a scabbard I'd love to see. Or, for _really_ silly mental images, think about the three shapes for a sword which can be drawn from a scabbard the same shape as the sword blade -- there's a straight blade, a circularly curved blade (however much or little of the arc the blade actually describes), and the odd one -- a spiral blade. Imagine the swordsman frantically cranking his sword out of the sheath... :) -- Sean R. Malloy | American Non Sequitur Naval Medical Center | Society San Diego, CA 92134-5000 | malloy@cris.com | "We may not make sense, srmalloy@snd10.med.navy.mil | but we do like pizza" FORMAL NOTICE: unsolicited commercial email will be read at a charge of $500 per item. Receipt of such email shall be considered to constitute acceptance of contract, and will be billed immediately. ###### From: drafnlord@aol.com (Drafn Lord) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: weapon ettiquitte Date: 18 Dec 1997 00:39:33 GMT Lines: 3 Message-ID: <19971218003901.TAA18891@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <349637D6.449C@swbell.net> Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail >Well, Milady, getting them on the plane isn't that hard. ###### From: drafnlord@aol.com (Drafn Lord) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: weapon ettiquitte Date: 18 Dec 1997 00:43:01 GMT Lines: 9 Message-ID: <19971218004301.TAA21457@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <349637D6.449C@swbell.net> Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail >Well, Milady, getting them on the plane isn't that hard When we took live steal to Lilies we were required to have them in a wooden box that the airlines locked, and sealed. They then checked them on as luggage. This included my eating dagger, and mace, they would not let me pack it with my garb. I do have to note they (Southwest Airlines) were very cooperative and coriouse(SP) especally about the mace. Lady Jana ###### From: paximus@aol.com (PAXIMUS) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: weapon ettiquitte Date: 18 Dec 1997 02:38:58 GMT Lines: 16 Message-ID: <19971218023800.VAA02488@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19971218004301.TAA21457@ladder01.news.aol.com> Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Drafnlord wrote: >When we took live steal to Lilies we were required to have them in a wooden box that the airlines locked, and sealed. They then checked them on as luggage. << I also have found this to be true, except that when ever I travel with my Rapiers and other gear I place them in fencers bag and check them in as luggage. They really don't like you carrying any sort of blade on board the plane but, are usually very helpful. Onore et Onere Don Giulio d'Medici G.M. Cavalieri Dell'Ordine de Santo Stefano The Italians RPFS ###### From: moondrgn@bga.com (Chris and Elisabeth Zakes) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: weapon ettiquitte Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 05:09:49 GMT Organization: Real/Time Communications Internet customer posting Lines: 36 Message-ID: <3498aebc.1886137@news2.bga.com> References: <19971216060801.BAA09009@ladder01.news.aol.com> <349637D6.449C@swbell.net> Reply-To: moondrgn@bga.com NNTP-Posting-Host: apm1-69.realtime.net X-RTcode: d9d224f4348591d41898b0ff X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!205.238.128.214!feed1.realtime.net!news3.realtime.net!not-for-mail ldcharls@swbell.net wrote: >Drafn Lord wrote: >> >> >How do I "passively bond" my 1.75 meter two-handed sword? Or for that >> >matter how to I sheath it? The same questions apply to my pole-arms as >> >well. (steel) >> >> Your first problem is how to get these wepons on bord a plane! I faced this >> going to Lilies. >> >> Lady Jana > >Well, Milady, getting them on the plane isn't that hard. Store them in >long cases (hard-shelled rifle cases might work, although polearms would >have to break down in the middle to fit) or maybe golf bags in travel >covers. Then you check them into cargo. So long as the weapon doesn't >trigger the bomb sniffers, they'll most likely let it go, so long as >you're not trying to CARRY it onto the plane. Another, cheaper, option (if you're not planning to do this in a regular basis) is to buy a piece of PVC pipe of a suitable length and diameter to carry the weapon. I suggest calling your airline to see if there are any restrictions on odd-shaped or oversize luggage, though. As for polearms, your best bet might be to find a friend who's driving. -Tivar Moondragon Ansteorra C and E Zakes Tivar Moondragon (Patience and Persistence) and Aethelyan of Moondragon (Decadence is its own reward) moondrgn@bga.com ###### From: "Rosensoldot" Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: weapon ettiquitte Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 22:27:58 -0800 Organization: Alfred University Lines: 34 Message-ID: <67pukh$2eu$1@news.alfred.edu> References: <3490C332.6902E815@wackyland.com> <34917248.4A11@ibm.net> <34919972.57D0@swbell.net> <67522a$5vb$2@usenet87.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 149.84.128.118 X-Trace: news.alfred.edu 882933201 2526 (None) 149.84.128.118 X-Complaints-To: news@news.alfred.edu X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!149.84.65.23!news.alfred.edu!not-for-mail It's interesting how in different kingdoms the customs are so different so they can be fun. If anyone has seen a gentle disarming and having stacked over a dozen various weapons before presenting themselves to the throne you all know how funning it could be. Just 2 pennies worth. Lord David Rosensoldot Andrew mac Fergus wrote in message <67522a$5vb$2@usenet87.supernews.com>... >ldcharls@swbell.net wrote: > >: While peace bonding and sheathing is a good idea, The >: overall rule is that one does not carry/display/use a weapon in a >: reckless manner, regardless of length. >: While your kingdom is probably different, here in Ansteorra I >: guess we just gotta be different here ;) > >: Lord Charles Mackinnon >: Barony of Bryn Gwlad >: Kingdom of Ansteorra > > It always seemed kind of silly to me to disarm but that was the >common etiquette in Calontir. I do not believe I've seen it done much >here in the west. > >Andreas maqqas Feragusu > -- >The opinions expressed are mine and do not reflect the views of a rational human being.