From: wvoecks@aol.com (WVoecks) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Scottish garb question Date: 8 Dec 1997 15:39:58 GMT Lines: 9 Message-ID: <19971208153900.KAA06018@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail I am currently putting together a Scottish persona, late period. I am planning on wearing a great kilt, but I have no idea what else to wear with it, i.e. shirt, footwear, etc.. My persona is specificly circa 1450 (I realize the kilt is OOP then, but I really wanted to use that period, and I really like the great kilt, so I'm fudging. Please don't flame me for this :) ) and a Gaelic-speaking Scot from the northern porion of Scotland. Any advice and/or resources would be appreciated. Uilliam mac Dubhghaill ###### Path: ccw.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Scottish garb question Date: 09 Dec 1997 22:36:19 +0100 Lines: 51 Message-ID: <4t4i9p2k.fsf@chonsp.franklin.lugs.ch> References: <19971208153900.KAA06018@ladder02.news.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Uilliam> My persona is specificly circa 1450 (I realize the kilt is OOP then, but I really wanted to use that period, and I really like the great kilt, so I'm fudging. Please don't flame me for this :) ) Warning: I have not done any scots research, so following may be totally wrong. Take it as worth its cost. Uilliams post reminded me of following old post: ------ from http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/rialto/SCA-hist1-msg.html 25 Jan 92 From: samlb@optilink.UUCP (Sam Bassett) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Organization: Old fart In article <11541@bwdls58.bnr.ca> hwt@bwdlh490.BNR.CA (Henry Troup) writes: >I've heard that originally the Renaissance was included >because its music and dance were much more accessible. Naaahhh -- I've said it before, and I'll repeat it: The reason for the 16(mumble) cutoff date was to allow Scotscritters (specifically Edwin Berseark) to wear kilts of the modern style, since the earliest documented use of such kilts (as distinct from the Great Kilt, with umpteen yards of scratchy wool) was in 16(mumble). No more, no less. -- Sam'l Bassett -- System Administrator (among other silly things) Work: DSC/Optilink, 1310-C Redwood Wy, Petaluma CA 94954; 1-707-792-7253 Home: 7 Gothic Court, Novato CA 94947; 1-415-897-7424 UUCP: uunet!optilink!samlb; Internet: samlb@well.sf.ca.us ------ end of old post If I read this right, and Edwin's research in on the point, the great kilt was worn in 1450. So before you change persona/time/garb perhaps you may want to look again into your sources about when it was worn. P.S: If you have never been to http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/rialto/, then go there immediately, 8 years of rialto there. I have so far downloaded 327 files (10MB) from there, and am still only 20..30% through. It's great. -- Neil.Franklin@ccw.ch, http://www.ccw.ch/Neil.Franklin/ for Geek Code, Papernet, Voicenet, PGP public key see http: Any computer, that is running optimally, is outdated; including my 486