Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: dcatlarge@aol.com (DCatLarge) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Date: 04 Aug 2000 00:51:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Harn Message-ID: <20000803205101.04437.00000301@ng-fh1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:13921 I was wondering if anyone on here has used the Harn rules or setting. I was at the Harn website and thought it sounded interesting, but of course the guys who make it are gonna say great things about it. Can anyone tell me more about it? don ###### From: Frank J. Perricone Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Harn Organization: http://www.sover.net/~hawthorn/ Message-ID: <2n7kosgplgvko3k5lgu23k15524mvtosm6@4ax.com> References: <20000803205101.04437.00000301@ng-fh1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 21:40:47 EDT Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 21:40:23 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:13980 On 04 Aug 2000 00:51:01 GMT, dcatlarge@aol.com (DCatLarge) wrote: > I was wondering if anyone on here has used the Harn rules or setting. I was at > the Harn website and thought it sounded interesting, but of course the guys who > make it are gonna say great things about it. Can anyone tell me more about it? > don I use the setting for periodic visits in my dimension-hopping game. The plaeyrs love it when they drop in there. I'd love to do a proper campaign there, but no one wants to do a proper campaign. -- * Frank J. Perricone * hawthorn@sover.net * http://www.sover.net/~hawthorn Prism: http://www.sover.net/~hawthorn/Prism/ Just because we aren't all the same doesn't mean we have nothing in common Just because we have something in common doesn't mean we're all the same ###### Message-ID: <398A28F6.E784B52C@bellsouth.net> From: Mitch Williams X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Harn References: <20000803205101.04437.00000301@ng-fh1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 21:22:47 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.78.132.116 X-Trace: news3.atl 965355753 216.78.132.116 (Thu, 03 Aug 2000 22:22:33 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 22:22:33 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net.MISMATCH!newsfeed.atl!news3.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:13907 Please don't take offense but have you been living under a rock where they don't play RPGs Harn was/is one of the first game worlds produced to use with any game system. Originally it did not have game rules of it's own. If you want to role playh in a low magic, gritty, realistic world with a very detailed history then Harn is great for you. If you want high magic and a lot of hack and slash then don't bother. The current rule system (second edition) is very playable but you can use any system you like. The background information and printed modules are some of the best in the business. BTW low magic does not mean no magic. The magic system is subtle and fits within the current rules system. Mitch DCatLarge wrote: > I was wondering if anyone on here has used the Harn rules or setting. I was at > the Harn website and thought it sounded interesting, but of course the guys who > make it are gonna say great things about it. Can anyone tell me more about it? > don ###### From: dcatlarge@aol.com (DCatLarge) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Harn Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Aug 2000 02:56:56 GMT References: <8mdamd$64r9k$1@ID-40196.news.cis.dfn.de> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000803225656.23843.00000065@ng-fh1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:13929 Thanks everyone for the replies. And yes I was living under a rock until a couple of years ago, but now I'm divorced. don ###### From: Terry Austin Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Harn Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 21:34:30 -0700 Organization: Hyperbooks Online Bookstore Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <20000803205101.04437.00000301@ng-fh1.aol.com> <398A28F6.E784B52C@bellsouth.net> <8mdamf$64r9k$2@ID-40196.news.cis.dfn.de> Reply-To: taustin@hyperbooks.com NNTP-Posting-Host: p-288.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:13990 "S. John Ross" wrote: >| If you want to role playh in a low magic, gritty, realistic world with a >very >| detailed history then Harn is great for you. If you want high magic and a >lot of >| hack and slash then don't bother. > >I disagree with this. Harn was/is meant to provide a low-magic, realistic >_basis_ for any sort of fantasy campaign. Running it "straight out of the >box" will produce a low-magic, realistic-feeling game, but there's no reason >not to add high-fantasy elements if you feel like doing so; Harn provides a >good platform for any sort of gaming. > I've seen it done, and reasonably well, with several game systems. One campaign has been going for something like 15 years now, in fact, and is quite high magic. ###### From: leifmk@pvv.ntnu.no (Leif Magnar Kj|nn|y) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Harn Date: 4 Aug 2000 09:21:31 GMT Organization: Norwegian University of Science and Technology Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8me1ur$30m$1@kopp.stud.ntnu.no> References: <20000803205101.04437.00000301@ng-fh1.aol.com> <8mdamd$64r9k$1@ID-40196.news.cis.dfn.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: verden.pvv.ntnu.no X-Trace: kopp.stud.ntnu.no 965380891 3094 129.241.210.224 (4 Aug 2000 09:21:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@itea.ntnu.no NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Aug 2000 09:21:31 GMT X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test74 (May 26, 2000) Originator: leifmk@pvv.ntnu.no (Leif Magnar Kj|nn|y) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeedZ.netscum.dQ!netscum.int!uninett.no!ntnu.no!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:13917 In article <8mdamd$64r9k$1@ID-40196.news.cis.dfn.de>, S. John Ross wrote: > >I've used and enjoyed the setting on several occasions. I've read and been >horrified by the rules on two :) The rules that horrified you, were those the first edition or the second? >So, from this corner, it's Thumbs-Up Harn, Thumbs-Down Harnmaster. Harnmaster is IMHO not a bad system, at least not the second edition which is a bit more streamlined than the first (and a *lot* better presented; the first-edition book was butt-ugly). It's sort of a nastier cousin of Runequest. Not much use for heroic/high-fantasy games, probably. Otherwise, what he said. With the knob turned to 11. -- Leif Kj{\o}nn{\o}y | "Its habit of getting up late you'll agree www.pvv.org/~leifmk| That it carries too far, when I say Math geek and gamer| That it frequently breakfasts at five-o'clock tea, GURPS, Harn, CORPS | And dines on the following day." (Carroll) ###### From: Lizard Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Harn Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 02:39:31 -0700 Organization: Ferengi School Of Business Ethics Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <20000803205101.04437.00000301@ng-fh1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-464.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!do.de.uu.net!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:13987 On 04 Aug 2000 00:51:01 GMT, dcatlarge@aol.com (DCatLarge) wrote: >I was wondering if anyone on here has used the Harn rules or setting. I was at >the Harn website and thought it sounded interesting, but of course the guys who >make it are gonna say great things about it. Can anyone tell me more about it? >don Great maps. Really great maps. Obscenely great maps. Beyond that -- if you like very low powered fantasy, it's cool. It doesn't appeal to me, personally, because I'm a sensawunda kind of guy -- but that's entirely a matter of personal taste. It's a great way to save a lot of time researching genuined medevial history and then adding a patina of fantasy to it;Harn has done it for you. As with Wolverine, it's the best there is at what it does. If what it does is to your tastes, you can't go far wrong with it. If, OTOH, you consider Spelljammer too realistic and Planescape too constrained, you probably won't like Harn. :) *----------------------------------------------------* Evolution doesn't take prisoners:Lizard "I've heard of this thing men call 'empathy', but I've never once been afflicted with it, thanks the Gods." Bruno The Bandit http://www.mrlizard.com ###### From: mlush@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Mr. M.J. Lush) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Harn Date: 4 Aug 2000 09:54:54 GMT Organization: UK HGMP Resource Centre Lines: 32 Message-ID: <8me3te$7k1$1@niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk> References: <20000803205101.04437.00000301@ng-fh1.aol.com> <398A28F6.E784B52C@bellsouth.net> <8mdamf$64r9k$2@ID-40196.news.cis.dfn.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: tin.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk X-Trace: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk 965382894 7809 193.62.192.50 (4 Aug 2000 09:54:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@net.bio.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Aug 2000 09:54:54 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!news.vas-net.net!server2.netnews.ja.net!pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk!hgmp.mrc.ac.uk!mlush Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:13947 In article <8mdamf$64r9k$2@ID-40196.news.cis.dfn.de>, S. John Ross wrote: >|If you want to role playh in a low magic, gritty, realistic world with a very >|detailed history then Harn is great for you. If you want high magic and a >|lot of hack and slash then don't bother. > >I disagree with this. Harn was/is meant to provide a low-magic, realistic >_basis_ for any sort of fantasy campaign. Running it "straight out of the >box" will produce a low-magic, realistic-feeling game, but there's no reason >not to add high-fantasy elements if you feel like doing so; Harn provides a >good platform for any sort of gaming. I played Harn many moons ago apart from enjoying it lots I recall the main danger of death was not the combat but infection afterwards (If faced with a Giant with club and a toddler armed with a _dirty_ pointed stick we'd fight the Giant every time) things got a lot better when we got our hands on some healing magic (I recall our healer spent a lot of time passing our infections to handy bushes etc) >As for hack-and-slash: Harn, straight out of the box, provides ample >opportunities for combat-oriented adventures for those who dig that kind of >thing. The combat was Great... lots of detail and hit locations once the infection problems were dealt with :-) -- Michael Ban DHMO Now!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NPC rights activist | Nameless Abominations are people too. ###### From: "Klaus Æ. Mogensen" Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc References: <20000803205101.04437.00000301@ng-fh1.aol.com> <8mdamd$64r9k$1@ID-40196.news.cis.dfn.de> Subject: Re: Harn Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:13:33 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.47.144.93 X-Complaints-To: abuse@get2.net X-Trace: news.get2net.dk 965384849 195.47.144.93 (Fri, 04 Aug 2000 12:27:29 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 12:27:29 MET DST Organization: get2net Internet Kunde Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news1.ebone.net!news.ebone.net!news.net.uni-c.dk!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.get2net.dk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:13924 "S. John Ross" wrote: > > I've used and enjoyed the setting on several occasions. I've read and been > horrified by the rules on two :) > > So, from this corner, it's Thumbs-Up Harn, Thumbs-Down Harnmaster. Was it the 1st edition rules you read? The 2nd edition rules are streamlined a lot. -- Klaus Æ. Mogensen http://hjem.get2net.dk/Klaudius "Now I know." "What do you know?" "I know that Miranda is a Botticelli angel." ###### From: vizi@ihug.removethis.co.nz (Dillon Burke) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Harn Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 23:51:41 GMT Organization: Lacking Lines: 23 Message-ID: <398b5641.5431383@newsch.es.co.nz> References: <20000803205101.04437.00000301@ng-fh1.aol.com> <8mdamd$64r9k$1@ID-40196.news.cis.dfn.de> <8me1ur$30m$1@kopp.stud.ntnu.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.chc.ihug.co.nz X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Cache-Post-Path: newsch.es.co.nz!unknown@p79-max18.chc.ihug.co.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!falcon.america.net!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:14007 On 4 Aug 2000 09:21:31 GMT, leifmk@pvv.ntnu.no (Leif Magnar Kj|nn|y) wrote: >Harnmaster is IMHO not a bad system, at least not the second edition >which is a bit more streamlined than the first (and a *lot* better >presented; the first-edition book was butt-ugly). It's sort of a >nastier cousin of Runequest. Not much use for heroic/high-fantasy >games, probably. If you want a simpler version of Harnmaster, just run RQ2/3 without any easy access to healing magic and add a few more hit locations to the d20 roll that are less likely to be covered by armour (such as hands, feet, and face). At least, this is what I'd say based on my rpg groups recent experience. We went from an RQ2 high magic game, to Harnmaster, to RQ2 as suggested above. It was an interesting experience but not one that really filled us with enthusiasm. Regards Dillon -- Save the patagonian toothfish. Shoot Greenpeace! ###### From: "Thomas N. Bagwell" Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc References: <20000803205101.04437.00000301@ng-fh1.aol.com> <8mdamd$64r9k$1@ID-40196.news.cis.dfn.de> Subject: Re: Harn Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 01:16:08 -0500 Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.24.134.93 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.24.134.93 Message-ID: <398d026f@news2.starnetinc.com> X-Trace: 6 Aug 2000 01:15:11 -0600, 64.24.134.93 X-Complaints-To: abuse@megapop.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!chicago-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news2.starnetinc.com!64.24.134.93 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:14046 "Klaus Æ. Mogensen" wrote in message news:lUwi5.1258$Dk6.1953@news.get2net.dk... > "S. John Ross" wrote: > > > > I've used and enjoyed the setting on several occasions. I've > read and been > > horrified by the rules on two :) > > > > So, from this corner, it's Thumbs-Up Harn, Thumbs-Down > Harnmaster. > > Was it the 1st edition rules you read? The 2nd edition rules are > streamlined a lot. I liked the first edition rules, too. The 2nd edition rules have been improved, IMO. Wonderful presentation, as well. Harnmaster is probably my favorite fantasy-genre-specific system. Tom B. ###### From: mschwartz@mindspring.com (Michael Schwartz) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Harn Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 03:44:58 -0400 Organization: Heretical Raconteurs for a Better Yesteryear Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <20000803205101.04437.00000301@ng-fh1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.79.d1.30 X-Server-Date: 9 Aug 2000 07:33:50 GMT X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!news.csl-gmbh.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!mschwartz Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:14209 Great setting. Very detailed. Very well-conceived, if a bit too generic medieval Tolkienesque fantasy in ways (mainly the races). Love the game system... better than RuneQuest in terms of realism, but faster in play. The magic and religion supplements are terrific, as is the book on manorial economics. I use HARNMANOR for my PENDRAGON campaigns instead of the LORDLY DOMAINS material. Much more satisfying. ==================================================================== Michael Schwartz mschwartz@mindspring.com Ann Arbor, MI USA ###### From: algcs@mailexcite.com Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Harn Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:20:21 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8muh7e$nko$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000803205101.04437.00000301@ng-fh1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.94.47.253 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 10 15:20:21 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; CNETHomeBuild051099) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x55.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 192.94.47.253 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDalgcs Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-ulm.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!schlund.de!news-fra.pop.de!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeed.germany.net!newsfeed.ision.net!ision!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:14245 In article <20000803205101.04437.00000301@ng-fh1.aol.com>, dcatlarge@aol.com (DCatLarge) wrote: > I was wondering if anyone on here has used the Harn rules or setting. I was at > the Harn website and thought it sounded interesting, but of course the guys who > make it are gonna say great things about it. Can anyone tell me more about it? > don If you read the Harn page then you know that there is both a system and a world for Harn. So if you like one and not the other it is easy to just take what you like. I am using both right now. There is a mailing list dealing with using Harn and other systems at http://www.egroups.com You might want to try asking them. Alan Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.