X-Originating-Host: 12.72.34.109 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: projectile weapons Lines: 8 From: astera master Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Message-ID: <1b438b58.1b593103@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com> Bytes: 206 X-Wren-Trace: eKCFray18rjz4ae8oPKglqW8oqmhhPm3raOg7aq7tKD+9K72/K7m+uLw9Pw= Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:11:40 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.14 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon4 962122440 10.0.2.14 (Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:14:00 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:14:00 PDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon4.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:11021 any ideas and/or websites on fantasy projectile weapons? http://www.geocities.com/astera_world Got questions? 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Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com ###### From: "Wil Hutton" Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: projectile weapons Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:39:36 -0700 Organization: Keyway Internet Service www.keyway.net Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8jaopk$3gv$1@madmax.keyway.net> References: <1b438b58.1b593103@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: o003-dyna-161.keyway.net X-Trace: madmax.keyway.net 962127476 3615 207.155.49.161 (27 Jun 2000 17:37:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@keyway.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jun 2000 17:37:56 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!news.keyway.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:10977 I can't remember the specifics, but I designed Dwarven muskets for a GURPS Fantasy game, powered by a Create Steam spell (I think) and powerstones. They had a sphere-shaped chamber and just ahead of that was where the ball was held. When the trigger was pressed, the steam spell activated and the pressure shot the ball out. The musketeer then tipped the musket to dump out the water and put a new ball in. It was never used, and I was never really concerned as to how realistic it was - it was just a cool idea at the time. -- "I made a god out of blood, not superiority...I killed the king of deceit, now I sleep in anarchy..." - Anthem of the Fallen aka "Anarchy"/KMFDM The Atomic Rumpus Room: Tribe 8, Jovian Chronicles, RPGs, PikaDance and more! http://www.crosswinds.net/~atomicrumpusroom/ ###### X-Originating-Host: 12.72.37.146 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: Re: projectile weapons Lines: 11 From: astera master Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Message-ID: <168d67cc.0d07d907@usw-ex0106-047.remarq.com> References: <1b438b58.1b593103@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com> <8jaopk$3gv$1@madmax.keyway.net> Bytes: 380 X-Wren-Trace: eD8aMjMqbSdsfjgjP20/CTojPTY+G2YoMjw/cjUkKz9hazFpYzF5Zn1vb2w= Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:37:48 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.47 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon4 962138431 10.0.2.47 (Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:40:31 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:40:31 PDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon4.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:11145 Cool idea. I was thinking about gem weapon: used mirrors and gems to fire a "laser" beam. Spring bolt rifle: used a dwarven- made spring to launch a projectile. Recoil crossbow: Crossbow that recoils automatically with some type of spring system. Just some thoughts Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com ###### From: bjm10@cornell.edu (Bryan J. Maloney) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: projectile weapons Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:54:13 -0400 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 17 Sender: verified_for_usenet@cornell.edu (bjm10 on potato.cit.cornell.edu) Message-ID: References: <1b438b58.1b593103@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com> <8jaopk$3gv$1@madmax.keyway.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: potato.cit.cornell.edu X-Trace: news01.cit.cornell.edu 962135653 5911 132.236.156.18 (27 Jun 2000 19:54:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news01.cit.cornell.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jun 2000 19:54:13 GMT X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!bjm10 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:11155 In article <8jaopk$3gv$1@madmax.keyway.net>, "Wil Hutton" wrote: > I can't remember the specifics, but I designed Dwarven muskets for a GURPS > Fantasy game, powered by a Create Steam spell (I think) and powerstones. > They had a sphere-shaped chamber and just ahead of that was where the ball > was held. When the trigger was pressed, the steam spell activated and the > pressure shot the ball out. The musketeer then tipped the musket to dump > out the water and put a new ball in. It was never used, and I was never > really concerned as to how realistic it was - it was just a cool idea at the > time. When I run fantasy, I have a "baroque and cool" world. Any idea sufficiently baroque and sufficiently cool will work to some extent. -- For those in the know, potrzebie is truly necessary. ###### From: "Klaus Æ. Mogensen" Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc References: <1b438b58.1b593103@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com> Subject: Re: projectile weapons Lines: 38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 00:37:24 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.47.146.200 X-Complaints-To: abuse@get2.net X-Trace: news.get2net.dk 962146064 195.47.146.200 (Wed, 28 Jun 2000 00:47:44 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 00:47:44 MET DST Organization: get2net Internet Kunde Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.get2net.dk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:11098 "astera master" wrote: > > any ideas and/or websites on fantasy projectile weapons? Many fantasy games has some sort of Rune or Ward spell where something nasty happens if somebody (other than the caster) touches the Rune or Ward. If such a Rune is cast on a slingstone, it is possible that it could be set to go off when it hits the target. Another idea: Many games has some sort of Shrinking spell which shrinks an object for a time or until some condition occurs. Use such a spell to shrink cannonballs down to the size of marbles. Then use some sort of crossbow or slingshot constructed in such a way that the Shrink spell is dispelled when the ball leaves the weapon (e.g., the ball passes through some anti-magical hoop). Bingo, portable cannon. AD&D has some relatively common magical items called Bag of holding and Portable Hole, which can hold a lot of things in a small space without becoming heavy. Fill such a container with rocks. Someone who can fly then flies over the enemy and upends the container, upon which a Hard Rain is Gonna Fall. Lacking a Flight spell, a kite and a system of strings may do the trick. Fantasy worlds often abound in all sorts of nasty Slimes and Mold that kill with a touch. Glass balls filled with such make particularly effective projectiles. Making them may be tricky, though. -- Klaus Æ. Mogensen http://hjem.get2net.dk/Klaudius Exaggeration facilitates comprehension Understatement facilitates credibility ###### X-Originating-Host: 12.72.35.147 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: Re: projectile weapons Lines: 12 From: astera master Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Message-ID: <37a721c6.6e520cc7@usw-ex0106-046.remarq.com> References: <1b438b58.1b593103@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com> <8jaopk$3gv$1@madmax.keyway.net> <168d67cc.0d07d907@usw-ex0106-047.remarq.com> <8jbb4v$428$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Bytes: 407 X-Wren-Trace: eJq/l5aPyILJ252GmsiarJ+GmJObvsONl5ma15CBjprEzpTMxpTcwdjKysg= Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:47:19 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.46 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon4 962203780 10.0.2.46 (Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:49:40 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:49:40 PDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!psinet-eu-nl!news1.ebone.net!news.ebone.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon4.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:11143 Yeah, I meant automatic reload. The person would need to place the projectile in the crossbow. However, the bow string would automatically come back into pre-launch mode, so to speak with some kind of mechanism. Not sure about how this would work Astera http://www.geocities.com/astera_world Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com ###### From: Rick Pikul Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: projectile weapons Message-ID: References: <1b438b58.1b593103@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com> <8jaopk$3gv$1@madmax.keyway.net> <168d67cc.0d07d907@usw-ex0106-047.remarq.com> <8jbb4v$428$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.198.232 X-Complaints-To: abuse@idirect.com X-Trace: quark.idirect.com 962209736 206.172.198.232 (Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:28:56 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:28:56 EDT Organization: Internet Direct - http://www.mydirect.com X-Sender: bMNoLjA2H/qXc Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:28:56 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!quark.idirect.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:11154 In article <8jbb4v$428$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, aetherson@my-deja.com says... > In article <168d67cc.0d07d907@usw-ex0106-047.remarq.com>, > astera master wrote: > > Recoil crossbow: Crossbow > > that recoils automatically with some type of spring system. > > I presume that this is a typo, and Astera meant "reload," not "recoil." > > But now I have this image of some bizarre dwarven macho thing. {Foomph...} > "My crossbow is actually more dangerous to the user than the target! > The last time a little girly-man human shot it, it dislocated his > shoulder!" Sounds like a PIAT. Those things can, and have, broken the shoulders of inexperienced users. The have a lot of kick, and sometimes the spring sticks just long enough that it seems to have jammed. Then just as you loosen your grip in order to fix it, it fires and the full force hits your shoulder. Once more, the silly joke turns out to be true. -- Phoenix ###### X-Originating-Host: 12.72.33.121 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: Re: projectile weapons Lines: 6 From: astera master Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Message-ID: <1947437e.1df539a8@usw-ex0104-033.remarq.com> References: <1b438b58.1b593103@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com> <8jaopk$3gv$1@madmax.keyway.net> <168d67cc.0d07d907@usw-ex0106-047.remarq.com> <8jbb4v$428$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Bytes: 164 X-Wren-Trace: eOPG7u/2sfuwouT/47Hj1eb/4erix7r07uDjrun49+O9t+21v+2lvqGztbc= Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:12:02 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.33 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 962220318 10.0.2.33 (Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:25:18 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:25:18 PDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!netnews.com!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:11223 thanks for everyone help. any other ideas from this NG? Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com ###### From: peacefulcut@my-deja.com Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: projectile weapons Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:30:36 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 43 Message-ID: <8jdqpt$vmh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <1b438b58.1b593103@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com> <8jaopk$3gv$1@madmax.keyway.net> <168d67cc.0d07d907@usw-ex0106-047.remarq.com> <8jbb4v$428$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <1947437e.1df539a8@usw-ex0104-033.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.202.192.10 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jun 28 21:30:36 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x64.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.202.192.10 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpeacefulcut Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:11171 > any other ideas? A baleful demon eye, about 6' in diameter, is wheeled around by troops on a catapult base. When the eye lid is pulled back, all within its view wither and perish from the unholy light that issues forth. Lesser eyes could perhaps be carried on the end of a rod or staff. Lesser demons (similar in appearance to Stigs) are forged into tough leathery tubes by hellborn smiths. The tube is held like a bazooka and is activated by pressing a finger (pseudopod, etc) onto a spike, causing you to bleed. When activated, the demon bound in the tube spits a tiny fragment of hell out of the front. The spittle soon falls away, causing the fragment to come directly into contact with the world. The resulting explosion causes a virtual sphere of annihilation about 6' in diameter. There is a kind of hellish 'fallout' from this weapon, so it shouldn't be used to conquer lands you wish to afterwards inhabit. Repeating crossbows are yet another great use for those pesky demon limbs that you find clinging to you after rescuing friends and loved ones from the depths of the Abyss. Have a wizard attach the shoulder to a stock standard one-handed crossbow and enchant the arm to pull back the string whenever it's fired. Add a spring-loaded magazine of rune-inscribed bolts and the next pitfiend who troubles you is in for a big surprise. Lawful types can use a golem-in-the-shape-of-a-repeating-crossbow instead so as not to foul the world with demonflesh. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ###### X-Originating-Host: 12.72.201.136 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: Re: projectile weapons Lines: 8 From: astera master Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Message-ID: <17ce3cd8.701f9891@usw-ex0103-024.remarq.com> References: <1b438b58.1b593103@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com> <8jaopk$3gv$1@madmax.keyway.net> <168d67cc.0d07d907@usw-ex0106-047.remarq.com> <8jbb4v$428$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <1947437e.1df539a8@usw-ex0104-033.remarq.com> <8jdqpt$vmh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Bytes: 211 X-Wren-Trace: eExpQUBZHlQfDUtQTB5MeklQTkVNaBVbQU9MAUZXWEwSGEIaEEILEhEDGRoU Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:16:31 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.24 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 962231387 10.0.2.24 (Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:29:47 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:29:47 PDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:11225 Wow, some great ideas? Where did you come up with all of this? James Webmaster: The World of Astera! Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com ###### From: Steve M Subject: Re: projectile weapons Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Message-ID: <02ae6d44.96312802@usw-ex0109-068.remarq.com> Lines: 18 Bytes: 775 X-Originating-Host: 139.130.215.201 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here References: <1b438b58.1b593103@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com> <8jaopk$3gv$1@madmax.keyway.net> <168d67cc.0d07d907@usw-ex0106-047.remarq.com> <8jbb4v$428$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <1947437e.1df539a8@usw-ex0104-033.remarq.com> X-Wren-Trace: eHdSentiJW8kJHd6Yj9zcGhEb39gdiRuZ2l7cW0tbTh1PzZjOWYxIDUnICI3ZTU1OCkrKQ== Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:34:59 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.68 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon4 962257663 10.0.2.68 (Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:47:43 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:47:43 PDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon4.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:11218 Read a book once, set on a rainforest world. The locals had a "gun" which was like the dwarven steam gun, in a previous post. Basically, though, there were these seedpods (largish) that would pop fairly strongly, spreading spoors. And another tree had really long, straight thorns. So your "gun" has a chamber at the back, where you put the seedpod, and you load the thorn in front of it, and pop the seed. Thorn shoots forward, and the barrel got progressively narrower, IIRC. Really nice lowtech, I thought it a good bow alternative. Damned if I can remember the book's title or author, though... * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful ###### Message-ID: <395AED0A.922FDC8E@acm.org> From: Douglas Seay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: projectile weapons References: <1b438b58.1b593103@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com> <8jaopk$3gv$1@madmax.keyway.net> <168d67cc.0d07d907@usw-ex0106-047.remarq.com> <8jbb4v$428$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <1947437e.1df539a8@usw-ex0104-033.remarq.com> <02ae6d44.96312802@usw-ex0109-068.remarq.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 06:26:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.162.226.88 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 962260018 24.162.226.88 (Thu, 29 Jun 2000 02:26:58 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 02:26:58 EDT Organization: Road Runner - NC Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:11243 Steve M wrote: > > Read a book once, set on a rainforest world. > The locals had a "gun" which was like the dwarven steam > gun, in a previous post. > > Basically, though, there were these seedpods (largish) that > would pop fairly strongly, spreading spoors. And another > tree had really long, straight thorns. So your "gun" has a > chamber at the back, where you put the seedpod, and you > load the thorn in front of it, and pop the seed. Thorn > shoots forward, and the barrel got progressively narrower, > IIRC. Really nice lowtech, I thought it a good bow > alternative. > > Damned if I can remember the book's title or author, > though... Any chance that was Alan Dean Foster's _Midworld_? It has been 15 years since I read it, but that sounds familiar. - doug ###### From: "Klaus Æ. Mogensen" Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc References: <1b438b58.1b593103@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com> <8jaopk$3gv$1@madmax.keyway.net> <168d67cc.0d07d907@usw-ex0106-047.remarq.com> <8jbb4v$428$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <1947437e.1df539a8@usw-ex0104-033.remarq.com> <02ae6d44.96312802@usw-ex0109-068.remarq.com> <395AED0A.922FDC8E@acm.org> Subject: Re: projectile weapons Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:40:48 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.47.134.10 X-Complaints-To: abuse@get2.net X-Trace: news.get2net.dk 962272725 195.47.134.10 (Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:58:45 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:58:45 MET DST Organization: get2net Internet Kunde Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.get2net.dk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:11178 "Douglas Seay" wrote: > > > > Read a book once, set on a rainforest world. > > The locals had a "gun" which was like the dwarven steam > > gun, in a previous post. > > Any chance that was Alan Dean Foster's _Midworld_? It has been 15 years > since I read it, but that sounds familiar. I'm pretty sure that's is. Very likely Foster's best book. -- Klaus Æ. Mogensen http://hjem.get2net.dk/Klaudius Exaggeration facilitates comprehension Understatement facilitates credibility ###### X-Originating-Host: 12.72.202.97 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: Re: projectile weapons Lines: 20 From: astera master Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Message-ID: <10b9d773.fceb0b0d@usw-ex0101-006.remarq.com> References: <1b438b58.1b593103@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com> <8jaopk$3gv$1@madmax.keyway.net> <168d67cc.0d07d907@usw-ex0106-047.remarq.com> <8jbb4v$428$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <1947437e.1df539a8@usw-ex0104-033.remarq.com> <02ae6d44.96312802@usw-ex0109-068.remarq.com> <395AED0A.922FDC8E@acm.org> Bytes: 638 X-Wren-Trace: eGpPZ2Z/OHI5K212ajhqXG92aGNrTjN9Z2lqJ2Bxfmo0PmQ8NmQtNDQlNzg= Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:00:01 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.6 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon4 962290944 10.0.2.6 (Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:02:24 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:02:24 PDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon4.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:11230 I have to check that book out at my local used book store. I also had an idea about using magnets to propel an object. You know like poles of each magnet push each other away. Somehow harness that energy, but in an rpg fantasy world kind of way. Read this book once, I think I still have it. It's called "Sideshow" sci-fi types using wire propelled by by some type of magnets to cut down their enemy. Neat story. James Webmaster: The World of Astera! ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: projectile weapons Date: 30 Jun 2000 00:12:05 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6ur99gxhl6.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <1b438b58.1b593103@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com> <8jaopk$3gv$1@madmax.keyway.net> <168d67cc.0d07d907@usw-ex0106-047.remarq.com> <8jbb4v$428$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <1947437e.1df539a8@usw-ex0104-033.remarq.com> <8jdqpt$vmh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 962316726 763 10.0.3.2 (29 Jun 2000 22:12:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jun 2000 22:12:06 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:11251 peacefulcut@my-deja.com writes: > A baleful demon eye, about 6' in diameter, is wheeled > around by troops on a catapult base. When the eye lid is > pulled back, all within its view wither and perish from > the unholy light that issues forth. Lesser eyes could > perhaps be carried on the end of a rod or staff. Balor The Evil Eye, King of the Formors in the Celtic myth of the Tuatha De Danaan. One of his eyes fits exactly this description. I do not recognize the other two. Where did you plagiarise them from? -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Nerd, Geek, Hacker, Unix Guru, Sysadmin, Roleplayer, LARPer, Mystic ###### From: "Klaus Æ. Mogensen" Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc References: <1b438b58.1b593103@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com> <8jaopk$3gv$1@madmax.keyway.net> <168d67cc.0d07d907@usw-ex0106-047.remarq.com> <8jbb4v$428$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <1947437e.1df539a8@usw-ex0104-033.remarq.com> <02ae6d44.96312802@usw-ex0109-068.remarq.com> <395AED0A.922FDC8E@acm.org> <10b9d773.fceb0b0d@usw-ex0101-006.remarq.com> Subject: Re: projectile weapons Lines: 33 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 20:54:37 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.47.144.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@get2.net X-Trace: news.get2net.dk 962304978 195.47.144.57 (Thu, 29 Jun 2000 20:56:18 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 20:56:18 MET DST Organization: get2net Internet Kunde Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.get2net.dk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:11290 "astera master" wrote: > > I also had an idea about using magnets to propel an object. You > know like poles of each magnet push each other away. Somehow > harness that energy, but in an rpg fantasy world kind of way. > > Read this book once, I think I still have it. It's > called "Sideshow" sci-fi types using wire propelled by some > type of magnets to cut down their enemy. Neat story. It's an old science fiction trope. Heinlein has magnetic cannons in "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress", and I've seen magnetic needle guns in dozens of books. I even think SpaceMaster has them. In a fantasy world, you could use a spell to turn an opponent's armor highly magnetic, and then throw iron spikes in his general direction. These will be accelerated as well as self-targeting. The magnetism spell has the added bonus of making the target unable to use metallic weapons, as they will cling to his armor. For AD&D battlefield combat, a neat trick is to catapult or teleport a Rust Monster into the middle of enemy ranks, preferably guarded by a "Protection From Normal Missiles" and other defensive spells. Chaos is certain to follow. -- Klaus Æ. Mogensen http://hjem.get2net.dk/Klaudius Exaggeration facilitates comprehension Understatement facilitates credibility ###### From: peacefulcut@my-deja.com Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: projectile weapons Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:55:00 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 77 Message-ID: <8jg61q$npn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <1b438b58.1b593103@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com> <8jaopk$3gv$1@madmax.keyway.net> <168d67cc.0d07d907@usw-ex0106-047.remarq.com> <8jbb4v$428$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <1947437e.1df539a8@usw-ex0104-033.remarq.com> <8jdqpt$vmh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <17ce3cd8.701f9891@usw-ex0103-024.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.202.192.10 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jun 29 18:55:00 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x52.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.202.192.10 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpeacefulcut Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:11274 > Wow, some great ideas? Thanks. > Where did you come up with all of this? In brief ... I made it up. Less obliquely ... The Balkorian Eye Weapon was prompted by one of my favorite figures from Celtic mythology - Balor of the Baleful Eye. Balor was a Fomorian (enemies of the Tuatha De Danann, the Celtic High Elves) with a mighty wizard for a father. One day, Balor spied on his father, who was brewing something hideous. Vapors from the brew infected Balor's spying eye and he was laid low. Balor's father was able to save his life, but not his eye, which became so dire that its glance could slay. The other Fomorians demanded that Balor be buried under a large and heavy stone because he was too dangerous to be allowed to live among them. To save Balor's life a second time, his father wove a spell to close the huge, swollen eye. In battle, Balor had four assistants who would pull back the lid of his eye. Under its gaze, his enemies (and not a few friendlies) withered and perished. Balor soon became king of the Fomorians. I put the eye on a catapult base, because you seemed to want a tech component. The Hellbomb Burst Launchers started life as an armored rhino-creature that fires exploding pellets out of its horn. Do you remember that cartoon? There was also a dragon that could fire lasers out of its eyes (and tail at need), a token human who bounced off things using a shield and demonic white blobs (their babbling language still haunts my dreams) whose main purpose seemed to be to turn into pillows to catch the humans who were always falling otherwise lethal distances. Also, I've always liked the idea that demon blacksmiths would work demonflesh instead of iron - I can't recall the genesis of that image - maybe Dante? It also gives the finished product a conveniently bound demon to 'power' the mechanism. In this case the demons serve gladly, since by firing they get to bring a little piece of hell to earth, which is their raison d'etre. As for the sphere of annihilation effect, that was how the T&T spell "Hellbomb Burst" - disintegrate 100 cubic feet of anything - was first explained to me by a good GM - as "a little piece of hell bought to earth". Sheer poetry. Repeating crossbows are always a big favorite. I initially thought that a demon's heart would be the perfect muscle to power the cold staccato action of a semi-automatic crossbow. But then I thought, "lighten the fuck up", and used a somewhat humorous quasit arm instead. Using the "it's a golem" explanation for anything even vaguely technoid became a tradition in my gaming group when Steel & Flesh golems were introduced following the Terminator series of movies. peace Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ###### User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: projectile weapons From: Bill Dowling Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Message-ID: References: <1b438b58.1b593103@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com> <8jaopk$3gv$1@madmax.keyway.net> <168d67cc.0d07d907@usw-ex0106-047.remarq.com> <8jbb4v$428$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <1947437e.1df539a8@usw-ex0104-033.remarq.com> <8jdqpt$vmh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <17ce3cd8.701f9891@usw-ex0103-024.remarq.com> <8jg61q$npn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 20:38:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.90.30.39 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 962311099 166.90.30.39 (Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:38:19 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:38:19 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:11345 in article 8jg61q$npn$1@nnrp1.deja.com, peacefulcut@my-deja.com at peacefulcut@my-deja.com wrote on 6/29/00 2:55 PM: > The Hellbomb Burst Launchers started life as an armored > rhino-creature that fires exploding pellets out of its horn. > Do you remember that cartoon? There was also a dragon that > could fire lasers out of its eyes (and tail at need), a > token human who bounced off things using a shield and > demonic white blobs (their babbling language still haunts > my dreams) whose main purpose seemed to be to turn into > pillows to catch the humans who were always falling > otherwise lethal distances. > I've always liked the Herculoids. They used to be on the same show that would have Space Ghost on it periodically (Space Ghost is now a talk-show host, maybe the Herculoids could be game show hosts?) ###### From: "Glenn Dowdy" Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: projectile weapons Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:23:23 -0600 Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site Lines: 31 Message-ID: <8jgen8$5g1$1@fcnews.fc.hp.com> References: <1b438b58.1b593103@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com> <8jaopk$3gv$1@madmax.keyway.net> <168d67cc.0d07d907@usw-ex0106-047.remarq.com> <8jbb4v$428$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <1947437e.1df539a8@usw-ex0104-033.remarq.com> <8jdqpt$vmh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <17ce3cd8.701f9891@usw-ex0103-024.remarq.com> <8jg61q$npn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hplv4ae0.lvld.hp.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.best.com!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!fc.hp.com!news Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:11284 Bill Dowling wrote in message ... >in article 8jg61q$npn$1@nnrp1.deja.com, peacefulcut@my-deja.com at >peacefulcut@my-deja.com wrote on 6/29/00 2:55 PM: > >> The Hellbomb Burst Launchers started life as an armored >> rhino-creature that fires exploding pellets out of its horn. >> Do you remember that cartoon? There was also a dragon that >> could fire lasers out of its eyes (and tail at need), a >> token human who bounced off things using a shield and >> demonic white blobs (their babbling language still haunts >> my dreams) whose main purpose seemed to be to turn into >> pillows to catch the humans who were always falling >> otherwise lethal distances. >> >I've always liked the Herculoids. Thanks a million. I've been trying to think of that name for years. I do remember the explosive shooting rhino, and two blobs. What other creatures were there? -- Glenn Dowdy "You really need to urgently learn the lesson that civilised debate demands that you recognise that others may sincerely hold opinions contrary to your own." Keith Willshaw ###### From: Luke Campbell Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: projectile weapons Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:40:00 -0700 Organization: University of Washington Lines: 16 Message-ID: <395BC230.1ED54E96@u.washington.edu> References: <1b438b58.1b593103@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com> <8jaopk$3gv$1@madmax.keyway.net> <168d67cc.0d07d907@usw-ex0106-047.remarq.com> <8jbb4v$428$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <1947437e.1df539a8@usw-ex0104-033.remarq.com> <8jdqpt$vmh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: donatello.phys.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: nntp3.u.washington.edu 962314800 355620 (None) 140.142.17.38 X-Complaints-To: help@cac.washington.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP32) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!colt.net!ams-newsfeed.speedport.net!ldn-newsfeed.speedport.net!newsfeed.speedport.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!traffic.uncensored-news.com!news-in-la.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!sea-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.u.washington.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:11303 peacefulcut@my-deja.com wrote: > > any other ideas? > > A baleful demon eye, about 6' in diameter, is wheeled > around by troops on a catapult base. When the eye lid is > pulled back, all within its view wither and perish from > the unholy light that issues forth. Lesser eyes could > perhaps be carried on the end of a rod or staff. Reminiscent of Perseus and Medusa's head, especially at the end where he killed the evil king who was trying to seduce Perseus's mom and all the king's cronies by showing them old snake locks herself. Didn't Athena take Medusa's from perseus head and set it on a shield for the gods to use in battle? ###### From: bjm10@cornell.edu (Bryan J. Maloney) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: projectile weapons Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:23:15 -0400 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 11 Sender: verified_for_usenet@cornell.edu (bjm10 on potato.cit.cornell.edu) Message-ID: References: <1b438b58.1b593103@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com> <8jaopk$3gv$1@madmax.keyway.net> <168d67cc.0d07d907@usw-ex0106-047.remarq.com> <8jbb4v$428$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <1947437e.1df539a8@usw-ex0104-033.remarq.com> <8jdqpt$vmh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <17ce3cd8.701f9891@usw-ex0103-024.remarq.com> <8jg61q$npn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: potato.cit.cornell.edu X-Trace: news01.cit.cornell.edu 962313795 7193 132.236.156.18 (29 Jun 2000 21:23:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news01.cit.cornell.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jun 2000 21:23:15 GMT X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!bjm10 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:11373 In article , Bill Dowling wrote: > They used to be on the same show that would have Space Ghost on it > periodically (Space Ghost is now a talk-show host, maybe the Herculoids > could be game show hosts?) Variety show, a-la the Bradys. -- For those in the know, potrzebie is truly necessary. ###### From: Arne Jamtgaard Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: projectile weapons Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:36:26 -0700 Organization: Cisco Systems Lines: 36 Message-ID: <395BCF6A.F0AB527C@cisco.com> References: <1b438b58.1b593103@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com> <8jaopk$3gv$1@madmax.keyway.net> <168d67cc.0d07d907@usw-ex0106-047.remarq.com> <8jbb4v$428$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <1947437e.1df539a8@usw-ex0104-033.remarq.com> <8jdqpt$vmh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <17ce3cd8.701f9891@usw-ex0103-024.remarq.com> <8jg61q$npn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8jgen8$5g1$1@fcnews.fc.hp.com> Reply-To: @cisco.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cache-Post-Path: sj-nntpcache-3!unknown@bldr1-dhcp-102.cisco.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:11253 Glenn Dowdy wrote: > Bill Dowling wrote in message ... > >in article 8jg61q$npn$1@nnrp1.deja.com, peacefulcut@my-deja.com at > >peacefulcut@my-deja.com wrote on 6/29/00 2:55 PM: > > > >> The Hellbomb Burst Launchers started life as an armored > >> rhino-creature that fires exploding pellets out of its horn. > >> Do you remember that cartoon? There was also a dragon that > >> could fire lasers out of its eyes (and tail at need), a > >> token human who bounced off things using a shield and > >> demonic white blobs (their babbling language still haunts > >> my dreams) whose main purpose seemed to be to turn into > >> pillows to catch the humans who were always falling > >> otherwise lethal distances. > >> > >I've always liked the Herculoids. > > Thanks a million. I've been trying to think of that name for years. I do > remember the explosive shooting rhino, and two blobs. What other creatures > were there? Lessee... There was: Zok, the laser-ray dragon Igoo, a rocky gorilla-like critter Tundra, the armored rhino Gloop and Gleep, the off-white shapechangers There were three humans, man, woman, and boy named Zandor, Tara, and Dorno. HTH, Arne ###### From: Steve M Subject: Re: projectile weapons Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Message-ID: <0541a2f0.85d97b4f@usw-ex0109-068.remarq.com> Lines: 26 Bytes: 996 X-Originating-Host: 139.130.215.201 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here References: <1b438b58.1b593103@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com> <8jaopk$3gv$1@madmax.keyway.net> <168d67cc.0d07d907@usw-ex0106-047.remarq.com> <8jbb4v$428$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <1947437e.1df539a8@usw-ex0104-033.remarq.com> <02ae6d44.96312802@usw-ex0109-068.remarq.com> <395AED0A.922FDC8E@acm.org> X-Wren-Trace: eBs+FhcOSQNISBsWDlMfHAQoAxMMGkgCCwUXHQFBAVQZU1oPVQpdTFlLTE5bCVlZVEVHRQ== Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:45:42 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.68 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon4 962323107 10.0.2.68 (Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:58:27 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:58:27 PDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon4.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:11364 In article , "Klaus Æ. Mogensen" wrote: > "Douglas Seay" wrote: > > > > > > Read a book once, set on a rainforest world. > > > The locals had a "gun" which was like the dwarven > steam > > > gun, in a previous post. > > > > Any chance that was Alan Dean Foster's _Midworld_? > It has been > 15 years > > since I read it, but that sounds familiar. > I'm pretty sure that's is. Very likely Foster's best > book. YES!!! Midworld it is! (I knew I'd read something of his!) It was a good book, great ideas in it, looking at human evolution in different environments (or were they bio- engineered?). Interesting that humans in rainforests in the real world don't live up in the trees like that, though. Still, always liked those thorn launchers... * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful ###### From: peacefulcut@my-deja.com Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: projectile weapons Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:47:35 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 49 Message-ID: <8jgqn2$7jh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <1b438b58.1b593103@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com> <8jaopk$3gv$1@madmax.keyway.net> <168d67cc.0d07d907@usw-ex0106-047.remarq.com> <8jbb4v$428$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <1947437e.1df539a8@usw-ex0104-033.remarq.com> <8jdqpt$vmh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <6ur99gxhl6.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.202.192.10 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jun 30 00:47:35 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x54.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.202.192.10 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpeacefulcut Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:11273 > > A baleful demon eye > > Balor The Evil Eye, King of the Formors in the Celtic > myth of the Tuatha De Danaan. One of his eyes fits > exactly this description. Yes, absolutely. I pictured the eye as large because the tale has it taking four people to raise its lid. Maybe it was small and they used polls with hooks on them to pull back the lid. What do you think the eye looked like? Perhaps another influence was the eye items from the world of Tekumel - BTW, check out http://www.tekumel.com if you haven't, it really is beautiful. > I do not recognize the other two. Where did you > plagiarise them from? Complete originality is very difficult, perhaps even incomprehensible - no shared images, no communication. For gaming purposes, I do try to give at least the illusion of novelty through what is probably chaotic recombination of images I've encountered. That you didn't immediately recognize the other two images in my post means that I succeeded to some extent. I work in an area where intellectual property is important, so I am conscious of attribution issues, but I must admit that I am not as strict with myself in play. I tend to drink in material, let it mix and watch what emerges, half in amazement myself - as opposed to exploring fresh images, where attribution is clear, like the GM did in the Steel & Flesh golem example. How do you create new images for your games? peace Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ###### From: peacefulcut@my-deja.com Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: projectile weapons Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 01:55:58 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 39 Message-ID: <8jgun9$abb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <1b438b58.1b593103@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com> <8jaopk$3gv$1@madmax.keyway.net> <168d67cc.0d07d907@usw-ex0106-047.remarq.com> <8jbb4v$428$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <1947437e.1df539a8@usw-ex0104-033.remarq.com> <8jdqpt$vmh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <395BC230.1ED54E96@u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.202.192.10 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jun 30 01:55:58 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x73.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.202.192.10 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpeacefulcut Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:11276 > > A baleful demon eye > > Reminiscent of Perseus and Medusa's head I tend to distinguish between whole heads and eyes, but you're right, a shining face is a thing of power. A golden shield emblazoned with the face of the sun is excellent protection in battle in my worlds. Talking of heads and Celtic mythology, we should put forward tathlums for Astera's consideration. Tathlums are really insane^Wmagical weapons made from the heads of your enemies (the greater the vanquished enemy, the more powerful the tathlum). The head is shrunk and the brains mixed with lime so that the tathlum becomes as hard as concrete. In battle, you sling the tathlum at your enemy. In my worlds, the shrunken head screams in flight and burns through its target as if a white hot meteor. It was a tathlum that Lugh used to slay Balor of the Baleful Eye. > Didn't Athena take Medusa's from perseus head and set > it on a shield for the gods to use in battle? I could never work out whether the Aegis was supposed to be a cloak or a shield. peace ###### X-Originating-Host: 129.219.5.55 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: Re: projectile weapons Lines: 10 From: astera master Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Message-ID: <1a61df9f.96e9d6bc@usw-ex0103-018.remarq.com> References: <1b438b58.1b593103@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com> <8jaopk$3gv$1@madmax.keyway.net> <168d67cc.0d07d907@usw-ex0106-047.remarq.com> <8jbb4v$428$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <1947437e.1df539a8@usw-ex0104-033.remarq.com> <8jdqpt$vmh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <6ur99gxhl6.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <8jgqn2$7jh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Bytes: 234 X-Wren-Trace: eExpQUBZHlQfDUtQTB5MeklQTkVNaBVbQU9MAUZXWEwSGFUDEF0ADBUDHRw= Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:28:01 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.18 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon4 962332224 10.0.2.18 (Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:30:24 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:30:24 PDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon4.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:11371 Some really good ideas James Webmaster: The World of Astera! ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? 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Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com ###### From: Richard Persky Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: projectile weapons Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:36:49 -0500 Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <1b438b58.1b593103@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com> <8jaopk$3gv$1@madmax.keyway.net> <168d67cc.0d07d907@usw-ex0106-047.remarq.com> <8jbb4v$428$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <1947437e.1df539a8@usw-ex0104-033.remarq.com> <8jdqpt$vmh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <395BC230.1ED54E96@u.washington.edu> <8jgun9$abb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-82-8.ots.utexas.edu X-Trace: geraldo.cc.utexas.edu 962332635 1099 128.83.219.40 (30 Jun 2000 02:37:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@cc.utexas.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jun 2000 02:37:15 GMT Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) X-No-Archive: yes X-Face: 6F7#MVzUSs/x51+){yy"2T^4:UF;>18.rUcZ>7BdF/M%JN5~?Ckr4;Rrs0o_IDo'iOCu3\, peacefulcut@my-deja.com wrote: > I could never work out whether the Aegis was supposed > to be a cloak or a shield. A lot of ancient Greeks weren't too sure either. One theory is that the aegis comes from a cloak with tassels, worn by Near Eastern priests for some ceremonial occasions; the idea came to Greece in the Bronze Age, but the origin of Athena's cloak was forgotten by the 8th century BC or so, when someone looked at a traditional picture of Athena, decided the tassels must be snakes, and came up with the idea that she carried Medusa's head. -- ###### X-Originating-Host: 12.72.36.31 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: Re: projectile weapons Lines: 10 From: astera master Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Message-ID: <018e27ad.8202a486@usw-ex0104-026.remarq.com> References: <1b438b58.1b593103@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com> <8jaopk$3gv$1@madmax.keyway.net> <168d67cc.0d07d907@usw-ex0106-047.remarq.com> <8jbb4v$428$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <1947437e.1df539a8@usw-ex0104-033.remarq.com> <8jdqpt$vmh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <395BC230.1ED54E96@u.washington.edu> <8jgun9$abb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <395D08F8.436E9ECC@u.washington.edu> Bytes: 231 X-Wren-Trace: eHpfd3ZvKGIpO31meih6TH9meHN7XiNtd3l6N3BhbnokLnQsJnQ8IjgoLw== Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 15:10:17 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.26 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon4 962403162 10.0.2.26 (Fri, 30 Jun 2000 15:12:42 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 15:12:42 PDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!netnews.com!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon4.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:11442 outstanding idea!!! 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Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com ###### Message-ID: <395E2469.BE05106E@acm.org> From: Douglas Seay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: projectile weapons References: <1b438b58.1b593103@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com> <8jaopk$3gv$1@madmax.keyway.net> <168d67cc.0d07d907@usw-ex0106-047.remarq.com> <8jbb4v$428$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <1947437e.1df539a8@usw-ex0104-033.remarq.com> <02ae6d44.96312802@usw-ex0109-068.remarq.com> <395AED0A.922FDC8E@acm.org> <0541a2f0.85d97b4f@usw-ex0109-068.remarq.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 17:07:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.162.226.19 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: news1.southeast.rr.com 962471235 24.162.226.19 (Sat, 01 Jul 2000 13:07:15 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 13:07:15 EDT Organization: Road Runner - NC Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!news1.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:11470 Steve M wrote: > > YES!!! Midworld it is! > (I knew I'd read something of his!) > It was a good book, great ideas in it, looking at human > evolution in different environments (or were they bio- > engineered?). Interesting that humans in rainforests in > the real world don't live up in the trees like that, > though. Still, always liked those thorn launchers... I don't think the folks there were bio-engineered. That was never a theme in ADF's Humananx books. I think a ship of regular humans ended up there and survived. I don't remember if it was a failed colony, a crashed ship or what. I think it was mentioned in passing in someother book. The reason we don't do that in the RW is that those "rainforests" were hundreds of feet high with levels that almost looked like platforms. Forest canopies in the RW just aren't strong enough to support 200lb humans plus our food sources. In Midworld he trees intergrew to the point that there were 7 levels, each one supporting heavier life than the one above it. Humans avoid the top ones because the branches were too week, but never went down to the dirt level 'cause of the size of the creatures there. BTW: that is why it was the mid world, you didn't go up, you didn't go down, you just kinda hung out in the middle. - doug ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: projectile weapons Date: 02 Jul 2000 19:18:31 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 65 Message-ID: <6ubt0gcuxk.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <1b438b58.1b593103@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com> <8jaopk$3gv$1@madmax.keyway.net> <168d67cc.0d07d907@usw-ex0106-047.remarq.com> <8jbb4v$428$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <1947437e.1df539a8@usw-ex0104-033.remarq.com> <8jdqpt$vmh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <6ur99gxhl6.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <8jgqn2$7jh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 962558311 947 10.0.3.2 (2 Jul 2000 17:18:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jul 2000 17:18:31 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:11486 peacefulcut@my-deja.com writes: > > > A baleful demon eye > > > > Balor The Evil Eye, King of the Formors in the Celtic > > myth of the Tuatha De Danaan. One of his eyes fits > > exactly this description. > > Yes, absolutely. I pictured the eye as large because the > tale has it taking four people to raise its lid. Maybe it > was small and they used polls with hooks on them to pull > back the lid. What do you think the eye looked like? I do not know the story well (only read a half page description of the scene where the eye is used as a weapon). But I would also expect it to be big to need 4 "openers". > Perhaps another influence was the eye items from the world > of Tekumel - BTW, check out http://www.tekumel.com if you > haven't, it really is beautiful. Never heard of it. As I am a sucker for fantasy worlds, its off into my "to visit" list. > > I do not recognize the other two. Where did you > > plagiarise them from? > > Complete originality is very difficult, I have to agree on that one. Most creativity goes into recombination of elements into new combinations. > recombination of images I've encountered. That you > didn't immediately recognize the other two images in my > post means that I succeeded to some extent. Even after seeing your post on where they came from, I still do not recognize them, as I simply have never met the originals. Cartoons are ignored by TV here (with expeption of a few Tom&Jerry or Road Runner every few years), and I have never done T&T (only RQ3 and Paranoia up to now). > I work in an area where intellectual property is > important, so I am conscious of attribution issues, but I > must admit that I am not as strict with myself in play. Well I simply was stunned to see what, at least at first sight, looked like an exact retelling of an known story. Perhaps over reacted a bit. :-) > How do you create new images for your games? Not at all. I am player-only, not GM. May change in the future. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Nerd, Geek, Hacker, Unix Guru, Sysadmin, Roleplayer, LARPer, Mystic