From: "Art Wendorf" Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Fading Suns? Opinions? Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:12:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.28.141.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 956243577 24.28.141.136 (Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:12:57 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:12:57 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!news.rr.com!news.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:4247 Just looking for some informed opinions about Fading Suns. It *looks* cool but that is never the whole ball of wax. :) -- Art Wendorf ~ "Cthulhu? Isn't he some kind of Pokeman?" ~ "Nah, Dude. That's Nyarlathotep. Peek, Peek, Peekachu!" AWendorf@satx.rr.com | http://home.satx.rr.com/artshideout/ ###### Reply-To: "Michael T. Richter" From: "Michael T. Richter" Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc References: Subject: Re: Fading Suns? Opinions? Lines: 9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:00:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.101.128.170 X-Trace: 198.235.216.4 956246437 204.101.128.170 (Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:00:37 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:00:37 EDT Organization: Bell Solutions Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!cyclone.rdc-detw.rr.com!news.mw.mediaone.net!news1.bellglobal.com!198.235.216.4.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:4271 Art Wendorf wrote in message news:Z7FL4.2950$2y.244041@typhoon.austin.rr.com... > Just looking for some informed opinions about Fading Suns. It *looks* > cool but that is never the whole ball of wax. :) I love the setting. I'm lukewarm to the rules. (This is another setting that needs to be FUDGEd for my purposes, I think.) ###### From: "Art Wendorf" Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc References: Subject: Re: Fading Suns? Opinions? Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <6TGL4.2962$2y.247393@typhoon.austin.rr.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:11:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.28.141.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 956250690 24.28.141.136 (Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:11:30 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:11:30 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!cyclone.kc.rr.com!news.kc.rr.com!news-central.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!news.rr.com!news.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:4249 "Michael T. Richter" wrote ... > Art Wendorf wrote ... > > Just looking for some informed opinions about Fading Suns. > >It *looks* cool but that is never the whole ball of wax. :) > > I love the setting. I'm lukewarm to the rules. (This is another setting > that needs to be FUDGEd for my purposes, I think.) Would you tell me what it is that makes you lukewarm to the rules? (FUDGE is good for just about _everything_, so I'm not surprised by your comment. :) --- Art Wendorf AWendorf@satx.rr.com | http://home.satx.rr.com/artshideout/ ###### From: "Antonin Artaud" Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Fading Suns? Opinions? Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:21:50 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 36 Message-ID: <8dne7c$2nn$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <6TGL4.2962$2y.247393@typhoon.austin.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-104.jewel-puffer.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 956251180 2807 62.137.33.104 (20 Apr 2000 17:19:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Apr 2000 17:19:40 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!bignews.mediaways.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:4201 Perversely, I prefer the FS rules to Fudge, which I'm not keen on... Oh, and another vote for FS too. Go and buy it. It's great. -- In your face Space Coyote! ICQ 35484641 www.vhemt.org :-) The body's four elements: bone, pure will, movement, scream. Art Wendorf wrote in message news:6TGL4.2962$2y.247393@typhoon.austin.rr.com... > > "Michael T. Richter" wrote ... > > Art Wendorf wrote ... > > > Just looking for some informed opinions about Fading Suns. > > >It *looks* cool but that is never the whole ball of wax. :) > > > > I love the setting. I'm lukewarm to the rules. (This is another setting > > that needs to be FUDGEd for my purposes, I think.) > > Would you tell me what it is that makes you lukewarm to the rules? > > (FUDGE is good for just about _everything_, so I'm not surprised by your > comment. :) > > --- > Art Wendorf > AWendorf@satx.rr.com | http://home.satx.rr.com/artshideout/ > > ###### Reply-To: "Michael T. Richter" From: "Michael T. Richter" Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc References: <6TGL4.2962$2y.247393@typhoon.austin.rr.com> Subject: Re: Fading Suns? Opinions? Lines: 50 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <8rHL4.60$fE1.284@198.235.216.4> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:49:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.101.128.170 X-Trace: 198.235.216.4 956252996 204.101.128.170 (Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:49:56 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:49:56 EDT Organization: Bell Solutions Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!torn!news1.bellglobal.com!198.235.216.4.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:4376 Art Wendorf wrote in message news:6TGL4.2962$2y.247393@typhoon.austin.rr.com... >>> Just looking for some informed opinions about Fading Suns. >>> It *looks* cool but that is never the whole ball of wax. :) >> I love the setting. I'm lukewarm to the rules. (This is >> another setting that needs to be FUDGEd for my purposes, I >> think.) > Would you tell me what it is that makes you lukewarm to the rules? The central mechanism has some really nice touches and some really klunky ones. On the nice side we have that we roll d20 against a target number. The closer you get to the target number without going over, the better (your effect number is equal to what you roll). If you hit the target number directly, you get double what you roll as your effect number. I like this because, although critical successes have identical odds for experts or novices (usually a weak point), a novice's critical success is nowhere near as spectacular as an expert's (a very strong point). So if someone with a 6 target number rolls a six, they get 12 for their effect number -- just barely matching the performance of someone with a 14 target who rolls a 12, for example. On the bad side, however, is the handling of that result number. You sometimes use it directly. More often you have to divide it by 3 (with a glitch at the low end) to get another number that you use differently. If you use the "accenting" rules you look up your result on a chart to get that second number (because the original accenting system didn't make any sense whatsoever and was easily hacked). Then we get to the combat system; the damage system in specific. When you damage someone, you get a fixed component plus a variable one. The variable one works by rolling 1d6 for each possible point and scoring it if it comes up 1-4. (The first edition used d20s and a target number of 13 for that.) If you don't like using that method, there's a table lookup available that gives you similar numbers. In practice I've found the table lookup slower than the scores of d6 method. Basically, the Fading Suns system isn't horrific -- it's not AD&D or the White Wolf House System. But it isn't great and I occasionally find it klunky enough that I get the urge to rewrite it in FUDGE. > (FUDGE is good for just about _everything_, so I'm not surprised by > your comment. :) I use FUDGE anytime I encounter a setting paired up to a set of rules I don't like very much. Fading Suns is on the border. So far I haven't FUDGEd it, but I have been sorely tempted to many times. ###### From: "Art Wendorf" Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc References: <6TGL4.2962$2y.247393@typhoon.austin.rr.com> <8dne7c$2nn$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: Fading Suns? Opinions? Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:50:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.28.141.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 956253026 24.28.141.136 (Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:50:26 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:50:26 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!news.rr.com!news.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:4364 "Antonin Artaud" wrote ... > Perversely, I prefer the FS rules to Fudge, which I'm not keen on... :) > Oh, and another vote for FS too. Go and buy it. It's great. But. . . *Why* do you think it's great? That's what I'm after. -- Art Wendorf ~ "Cthulhu? Isn't he some kind of Pokeman?" ~ ~ "Nah, Dude. That's Nyarlathotep. Peek, Peek, Peekachu!" AWendorf@satx.rr.com | http://home.satx.rr.com/artshideout/ ###### Reply-To: "Michael T. Richter" From: "Michael T. Richter" Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc References: <6TGL4.2962$2y.247393@typhoon.austin.rr.com> <8dne7c$2nn$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: Fading Suns? Opinions? Lines: 29 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <6AHL4.62$fE1.58@198.235.216.4> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:59:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.101.128.170 X-Trace: 198.235.216.4 956253570 204.101.128.170 (Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:59:30 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:59:30 EDT Organization: Bell Solutions Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!bignews.mediaways.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!europa.netcrusader.net!204.71.34.3!newsfeed.cwix.com!torn!news1.bellglobal.com!198.235.216.4.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:4372 Art Wendorf wrote in message news:CrHL4.2963$2y.248592@typhoon.austin.rr.com... >> Oh, and another vote for FS too. Go and buy it. It's great. > But. . . *Why* do you think it's great? That's what I'm after. It's the only game I've seen which blended space opera and fantasy in a manner which doesn't make me vomit. It's also one of the few games of *ANY* stripe out there which integrates religion -- one of the major influences on human nature across history -- in a manner which is semi-plausible and not intrinsically opposed to all that is good and nice. (Make no mistake, the portrait of the thinly-disguised Catholic church painted isn't a white-washed one by any means, but nor is it shown to be intrinsically evil.) I like the feel of hyper-modern starships inhabited by, in effect, medieval barbarians. I like the feel of the almost alchemical nature of technology in that setting. I like the fact that the suns are literally fading away. The setting is replete with mysteries to be uncovered, people to save, people to kill. There are oddities to investigate, injustices to be overturned. Most of the Fading Suns rulebook's pages and almost all of the pages of its supplements have given me ideas for adventures. Even many of the pages solely describing rules have given me ideas. There are huge volumes of adventure seeds growing from these pages. ###### From: rbarrett@dept.english.upenn.edu (Robert Barrett) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Fading Suns? Opinions? Date: 20 Apr 2000 18:08:55 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8dnh3n$f83$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <6TGL4.2962$2y.247393@typhoon.austin.rr.com> <8dne7c$2nn$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <6AHL4.62$fE1.58@198.235.216.4> NNTP-Posting-Host: dept.english.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!news!nntp.upenn.edu!dept.english.upenn.edu!rbarrett Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:4315 Michael T. Richter (mtr@igs.net) wrote: : The setting is replete with mysteries to be uncovered, people to save, : people to kill. There are oddities to investigate, injustices to be : overturned. : Most of the Fading Suns rulebook's pages and almost all of the pages of its : supplements have given me ideas for adventures. Even many of the pages : solely describing rules have given me ideas. There are huge volumes of : adventure seeds growing from these pages. I would have to say that these are my reasons for liking Fading Suns. The game doesn't really put forward anything new or startingly original (IMO). But it combines the time-honored conventions, archetypes, and elements that it does rely on into a very robust setting--and one that can support a wide variety of play styles. It's a world that doesn't get in the way, a world that--as Michael says--encourages a great many stories and adventures. Best, Rob -- Robert W. Barrett, Jr. * E-mail: rbarrett@dept.english.upenn.edu * World Wide Web: http://www.english.upenn.edu/~rbarrett/index.html * Dept. of English, Univ. of Pennsylvania * "What makes the muskrat guard his musk? Courage!" The Cowardly Lion (Bert Lahr), *The Wizard of Oz* (1939) ###### Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Fading Suns? Opinions? References: <6TGL4.2962$2y.247393@typhoon.austin.rr.com> X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.1 (NOV) From: jayv@uiuc.edu (john v verkuilen) Lines: 30 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:08:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.174.5.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uiuc.edu X-Trace: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu 956257719 128.174.5.59 (Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:08:39 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:08:39 CDT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.crhc.uiuc.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!jayv Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:4354 "Art Wendorf" writes: >"Michael T. Richter" wrote ... >> Art Wendorf wrote ... >> > Just looking for some informed opinions about Fading Suns. >> >It *looks* cool but that is never the whole ball of wax. :) >> >> I love the setting. I'm lukewarm to the rules. (This is another setting >> that needs to be FUDGEd for my purposes, I think.) >Would you tell me what it is that makes you lukewarm to the rules? IMO, the FS rules have too much failure. Unlike Storyteller, where you stand a reasonable chance of getting one success given a moderate difficulty and die pool, FS uses a single D20 system. This is nice because of the logistics, but even very skilled characters stand a fairly decent chance of failure on any given roll. Lots of proposals have been made to fix this "problem." After investigating a 2D10 and 3D6 version of the FS rules, I ended up using the Fuzion rules and adjusted some things to suit my taste. If I were to run FS again soon (it could happen) I think I'd do some more fine tuning of where it was, but the concept was sound. Jay -- J. Verkuilen jayv@uiuc.edu A legal King Crimson bootleg from the Aug. 2-4, 1996, Mexico City shows: http://drm.goestoeleven.com/wm/dgm/default.htm. ###### From: "Art Wendorf" Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc References: <6TGL4.2962$2y.247393@typhoon.austin.rr.com> <8dne7c$2nn$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <6AHL4.62$fE1.58@198.235.216.4> <8dnh3n$f83$1@netnews.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: Fading Suns? Opinions? Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <7HIL4.3$y3.1441@typhoon.austin.rr.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:15:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.28.141.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 956258115 24.28.141.136 (Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:15:15 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:15:15 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!news.rr.com!news.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:4351 >>Michael T. Richter and Robert Barrett wrote lots of indepth and not so indepth explanation of their positive (and negative) feelings towards Fading Suns.<< Thanks! That's what I was looking for. --Art ###### From: "Antonin Artaud" Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Fading Suns? Opinions? Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 20:33:25 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 49 Message-ID: <8dnlu4$f62$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <6TGL4.2962$2y.247393@typhoon.austin.rr.com> <8dne7c$2nn$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-15.monkeyface-eel.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 956259076 15554 62.137.40.143 (20 Apr 2000 19:31:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Apr 2000 19:31:16 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!bignews.mediaways.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:4318 You mean you want me to say WHY its great? you won't just take my word for it? sigh... the background is a kind of middle ages meets scifi setting, so its not too hard scifi like some games, where they generally devolve into bickering between physics students. The main powers in the game are noble families, the church, and the guilds, with the Emperor a new faction that appears to be being made more of in the latest bits. The church is very dark ages / middle ages, with heresy abounding, schisms etc; inquisitors wander checking for blasphemy et al. the alien races are pretty good, though some are a bit wobbly, like the Shantor - sentient horses - but the others are pretty good. there are psychic powers, but not overly powerful, and the GM can use them as he/she likes rather than having fixed delineated uses in the campaign world. If you want more info, check out the holistic webpages, they give more background and some bits and pieces to give you a taste of it, and I think there's some basic rule bits there to look at too...not been there for a while though... -- In your face Space Coyote! ICQ 35484641 www.vhemt.org :-) The body's four elements: bone, pure will, movement, scream. Art Wendorf wrote in message news:CrHL4.2963$2y.248592@typhoon.austin.rr.com... > "Antonin Artaud" wrote ... > > Perversely, I prefer the FS rules to Fudge, which I'm not keen on... > > :) > > > Oh, and another vote for FS too. Go and buy it. It's great. > > But. . . *Why* do you think it's great? That's what I'm after. > > -- > Art Wendorf > ~ "Cthulhu? Isn't he some kind of Pokeman?" ~ > ~ "Nah, Dude. That's Nyarlathotep. Peek, Peek, Peekachu!" > AWendorf@satx.rr.com | http://home.satx.rr.com/artshideout/ > > ###### From: "Klaus Æ. Mogensen" Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc References: <6TGL4.2962$2y.247393@typhoon.austin.rr.com> <8rHL4.60$fE1.284@198.235.216.4> Subject: Re: Fading Suns? Opinions? Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:21:21 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.47.128.196 X-Complaints-To: abuse@get2.net X-Trace: news.get2net.dk 956263643 195.47.128.196 (Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:47:23 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:47:23 MET DST Organization: get2net Internet Kunde Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.get2net.dk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:4309 "Michael T. Richter" wrote: > > I use FUDGE anytime I encounter a setting paired up to a set of rules I > don't like very much. Fading Suns is on the border. So far I haven't > FUDGEd it, but I have been sorely tempted to many times. I've seen Fuzion rules for Fading Suns somewhere on the net (can't remember where, but try a net search). If I'm going to run FS, I'll probably use those. -- Klaus Æ. Mogensen http://hjem.get2net.dk/Klaudius ###### From: Hein Ragas Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Fading Suns? Opinions? Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:33:36 +0200 Organization: CAP Gemini Lines: 30 Message-ID: <39000450.C2F3A90F@capgemini.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: sleeper.capgemini.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: porthos.nl.uu.net 956302463 8499 193.79.77.7 (21 Apr 2000 07:34:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@nl.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Apr 2000 07:34:23 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: sleeper.capgemini.nl!unknown@10.32.49.29 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!bignews.mediaways.net!blackbush.xlink.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!newsfeed0.news.nl.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:4289 "Michael T. Richter" wrote: > Most of the Fading Suns rulebook's pages and almost all of the pages of its > supplements have given me ideas for adventures. Even many of the pages > solely describing rules have given me ideas. There are huge volumes of > adventure seeds growing from these pages. I like the Fading Suns setting a _lot_, but I can't get my mind completely around it. This is because the setting feels almost exclusively science fiction to me. In the main book, great emphasis is placed on how supersticious the peasants are, and how powerful the nobles (Fading Suns has a medieval-like, feudal society). However, nothing is done with that, since the characters will not be peasants, since peasants never get to go anywhere. This, to me, reduces the whole feudal arrangement of the setting to simple backdrop, while the characters work as freelancers and get to travel on spaceships. I feel that all Fading Suns scenarios could easily be transplanted to something like Traveller, without any serious loss to the scenario itself. Reading Michael's comments on Fading Suns, the gnawing feeling that I'm somehow missing something in the setting grows. So... what _did_ I miss? As to whether to buy it or not, I recommend getting it, since it's beautiful. Perhaps the first edition can be found in the bargain bins of your local retailer, since the second edition has been out for some time now - that would reduce the price of just taking a peek into the Fading Suns universe. Hein ###### From: nuelow@aol.comDELETEIT (Steve Miller) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Fading Suns? Opinions? Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Apr 2000 16:14:20 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000421121420.06587.00000547@ng-cg1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:4321 Michael T. Richter wrote: << I love the setting. I'm lukewarm to the rules. (This is another setting that needs to be FUDGEd for my purposes, I think.) >> I agree. The FS rules are really rather poorly executed, but the setting is fantastic. (If I'd ever succeeded in convincing my players that they really do want to retire the current 'Star Wars' campaign and play the descendents of the current PCs some 500-600 years down the line, the Fading Sun Universe is what the 'Star Wars' civilization would have bcome after finally collapsing under a century or so non-stop warfare. And it stands great on its own, too. :) Steve Miller Writer of Stuff And Jesus, he knows me, and he knows I'm right. I've been talking to Jesus all my life. --Genesis, "Jesus He Knows Me"