Message-ID: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> From: Mark Jackson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 10:05:13 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.15.170.89 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ou.edu X-Trace: news.ou.edu 955033512 129.15.170.89 (Thu, 06 Apr 2000 10:05:12 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 10:05:12 CDT Organization: The University of Oklahoma Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!logbridge.uoregon.edu!leto.backbone.ou.edu!news.ou.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3054 Okay, some times my gaming group gets into an odd mood...the ever dreaded Munchkin/Power Gamer/Min Max mood...and they want to just have a load of mindless fun by carrying around guns, punching and kicking their way though plots and stuff. Unfortunately, they do this in the middle of my planned out Cyberpunk or Star Wars or Vampire/Mage/Etc... games and send the Storyline straight out the window. ::sighs:: So, my question is, what game would any of the GMs and Players recommend when they get in this mood? I've heard that Feng Shui (sp?) might be good, but as my local game store was out of the copy when I went, I was curious what the group felt about it. Also, are there any other suggestions? Strengths of the suggested systems? Weaknesses? Thanks in advance... M ###### From: "Bill Dowling" Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> Organization: Mactronics Publishing X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 16:02:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.38.24.134 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 955036944 38.38.24.134 (Thu, 06 Apr 2000 09:02:24 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 09:02:24 PDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:2962 In article <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> , Mark Jackson wrote: > Okay, some times my gaming group gets into an odd mood...the ever > dreaded Munchkin/Power Gamer/Min Max mood...and they want to just have a > load of mindless fun by carrying around guns, punching and kicking their > way though plots and stuff. Unfortunately, they do this in the middle > of my planned out Cyberpunk or Star Wars or Vampire/Mage/Etc... games > and send the Storyline straight out the window. ::sighs:: > > So, my question is, what game would any of the GMs and Players recommend > when they get in this mood? I've heard that Feng Shui (sp?) might be > good, but as my local game store was out of the copy when I went, I was > curious what the group felt about it. > > Also, are there any other suggestions? Strengths of the suggested > systems? Weaknesses? > > Thanks in advance... > > M > For pure, unadulterated hack and slash, I prefer Warhammer Quest. It makes no pretense of being a real roleplaying game. It's much more of a boardgame. With the expansion characters, you have everything a munchkin would want out of a supplement (namely, the supplement characters being disproportionately capable and powerful) Plus you don't feel bad about being mindless hack and slashers since there's not much more you're supposed to do. ###### From: "S. John Ross" Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Date: 6 Apr 2000 16:27:34 GMT Organization: Diogenes Studios Lines: 24 Message-ID: <01bf9fe5$0cf6eee0$486602d0@john---sandra> References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> X-Trace: hiram.io.com 955038454 6984 208.2.102.72 (6 Apr 2000 16:27:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@io.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!netnews.com!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-feeds.jump.net!solomon.io.com!hiram.io.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3033 | > So, my question is, what game would any of the GMs and Players recommend | > when they get in this mood? | > | For pure, unadulterated hack and slash, I prefer Warhammer Quest. It makes | no pretense of being a real roleplaying game. It's much more of a boardgame. Agreed, although I've found that _real_ munchkins, for reasons I can only assume are unpleasant, get bored when the munch-fest stops pretending to be an RPG. Try to get them to bleed away their combat urges on Battletech or or something and they kick the carpet and mutter about everybody else not wanting to "roleplay" anymore. Scary, but I've seen it. I think RIFTS is unmatched in the pure, Hardware-And-Powergaming-Over-Anything-Else department. || S. John Ross || Husband · Cook · Writer || In That Order || http://www.io.com/~sjohn/fonts.htm - FONTS FOR GAMERS ###### From: cgoodin@sfu.ca (Charles Frederick Goodin) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Date: 6 Apr 2000 16:42:59 GMT Organization: Simon Fraser University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8cieqj$npf$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> <38ED22D0.846@le.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: fraser.host.sfu.ca X-Trace: morgoth.sfu.ca 955039379 24367 192.168.100.25 (6 Apr 2000 16:42:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@news.sfu.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Apr 2000 16:42:59 GMT X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test70 (17 January 1999) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!cyclone.bc.net!news.sfu.ca!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:2985 >Mark Jackson wrote: >> >> Okay, some times my gaming group gets into an odd mood...the ever >> dreaded Munchkin/Power Gamer/Min Max mood...and they want to just have a >> load of mindless fun by carrying around guns, punching and kicking their >> way though plots and stuff. >> Also, are there any other suggestions? Strengths of the suggested >> systems? Weaknesses? [sorry for not replying to the original] How about Fuzion with Atomik Deathmatch? It's an RPG, but almost more like a videogame like Quake or Unreal. Basically, it's got combat rules, then you run around and shoot each other. Of course, since it's compatible with Fuzion, you could put as much actual roleplaying stuff in it as you want... -- chuk ###### From: "Frank T. Sronce" Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 13:59:35 -0400 Organization: Oceanography Dept, Texas A&M Lines: 18 Message-ID: <38ECD087.9F0E2C76@myriad.net> References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> <01bf9fe5$0cf6eee0$486602d0@john---sandra> <8cik2s$b5i$1@hiram.io.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: deacon.tamu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Apr 2000 18:53:20 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!bignews.mediaways.net!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!korova.insync.net!solomon.io.com!news.tamu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3066 Dr Nuncheon wrote: > > >I think RIFTS is unmatched in the pure, > >Hardware-And-Powergaming-Over-Anything-Else department. > > You take that back or I'll have my Ancient Atlantean Dragon/Splugorth > Glitter Boy Pilot beat you up! > > J > -- > "Yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation" Jeff Johnston > yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation. jeffj @ io.com Pah. Now that the GigaDamage rules from Rifter are out, those old MegaDamage characters are just feeble wimps. :-) Kiz ###### From: jeffj@fnord.io.com (Dr Nuncheon) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Date: 6 Apr 2000 18:12:44 GMT Organization: Illuminati Online Lines: 35 Message-ID: <8cik2s$b5i$1@hiram.io.com> References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> <01bf9fe5$0cf6eee0$486602d0@john---sandra> X-Trace: hiram.io.com 955044764 11442 199.170.88.12 (6 Apr 2000 18:12:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@io.com X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test70 (17 January 1999) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!netnews.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!solomon.io.com!hiram.io.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3073 In article <01bf9fe5$0cf6eee0$486602d0@john---sandra>, S. John Ross wrote: > >| > So, my question is, what game would any of the GMs and Players >recommend >| > when they get in this mood? >| > >| For pure, unadulterated hack and slash, I prefer Warhammer Quest. It >makes >| no pretense of being a real roleplaying game. It's much more of a >boardgame. > >Agreed, although I've found that _real_ munchkins, for reasons I can only >assume are unpleasant, get bored when the munch-fest stops pretending to be >an RPG. Try to get them to bleed away their combat urges on Battletech or >or something and they kick the carpet and mutter about everybody else not >wanting to "roleplay" anymore. Scary, but I've seen it. Well, sure. That's because then *everybody* is playing their game (and some of the other players might even be better than them at it). It's only when they're the only ones playing the Power Game that it's really fun for them. There's a reason Terry Austin posts more here than, say, in alt.flame. >I think RIFTS is unmatched in the pure, >Hardware-And-Powergaming-Over-Anything-Else department. You take that back or I'll have my Ancient Atlantean Dragon/Splugorth Glitter Boy Pilot beat you up! J -- "Yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation" Jeff Johnston yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation. jeffj @ io.com ###### From: "Klaus Æ. Mogensen" Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 00:12:29 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.82.214.234 X-Complaints-To: abuse@get2.net X-Trace: news.get2net.dk 955060045 195.82.214.234 (Fri, 07 Apr 2000 00:27:25 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 00:27:25 MET DST Organization: get2net Internet Kunde Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!bignews.mediaways.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.get2net.dk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3111 "Mark Jackson" wrote: > > So, my question is, what game would any of the GMs and Players recommend > when they get in this mood? I've heard that Feng Shui (sp?) might be > good, but as my local game store was out of the copy when I went, I was > curious what the group felt about it. > > Also, are there any other suggestions? Strengths of the suggested > systems? Weaknesses? I think MIddle Earth Role-Playing with medium-to-high level characters could be fun for this sort of thing. MERP has the same morbidly funny critical descriptions as Rolemaster, but is much simpler. Just don't pretend it's Middle Earth, call it Midden Earth or some such.... I fondly remember the combats in my old Rolemaster campaign (using slightly modified 1st edition rules), but I find RMSS and RMFRP too complicated (especially in chargen) to be fun. -- Klaus Æ. Mogensen http://hjem.get2net.dk/Klaudius ###### Message-ID: <38ED1171.4AD065A2@lig.bellsouth.net> From: Mitch Williams X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:36:33 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.78.132.116 X-Trace: news3.mia 955060604 216.78.132.116 (Thu, 06 Apr 2000 18:36:44 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 18:36:44 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.atl!news3.mia.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3117 The best game I know of for uncontrolled mayhem is Paranoia. Not only do you get to kill others with big guns, robots, bombs, poison, etc....you get to kill other player characters up to 6 times each. And, the GM gets to have as much fun too! Mitch Mark Jackson wrote: > Okay, some times my gaming group gets into an odd mood...the ever > dreaded Munchkin/Power Gamer/Min Max mood...and they want to just have a > load of mindless fun by carrying around guns, punching and kicking their > way though plots and stuff. Unfortunately, they do this in the middle > of my planned out Cyberpunk or Star Wars or Vampire/Mage/Etc... games > and send the Storyline straight out the window. ::sighs:: > > So, my question is, what game would any of the GMs and Players recommend > when they get in this mood? I've heard that Feng Shui (sp?) might be > good, but as my local game store was out of the copy when I went, I was > curious what the group felt about it. > > Also, are there any other suggestions? Strengths of the suggested > systems? Weaknesses? > > Thanks in advance... > > M ###### From: "A.F. Simpson" Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 16:50:40 -0700 Organization: University of Leicester Lines: 21 Message-ID: <38ED22D0.846@le.ac.uk> References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc42.cmht.le.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: rook.le.ac.uk 955036293 96084 143.210.176.54 (6 Apr 2000 15:51:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@le.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Apr 2000 15:51:33 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news.vas-net.net!server2.netnews.ja.net!leicester!usenet Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3048 Mark Jackson wrote: > > Okay, some times my gaming group gets into an odd mood...the ever > dreaded Munchkin/Power Gamer/Min Max mood...and they want to just have a > load of mindless fun by carrying around guns, punching and kicking their > way though plots and stuff. > Also, are there any other suggestions? Strengths of the suggested > systems? Weaknesses? I've never played Feng Shui so I can't offer an opinion. For a real mindless gore-fest I've always thought that a post-Apocalyptic Mad Max style Sabbat game would be hard to beat. Storyteller had plenty of Munchkin potential anyway, so if you remove the Masquerade and Humanity and add really big guns and silly vehicles it would be more or less perfect. > M love Anna ###### From: "Philipp Grawe" Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.2.176.86 X-Trace: ozemail.com.au 955064945 203.2.176.86 (Fri, 07 Apr 2000 09:49:05 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 09:49:05 EST Organization: OzEmail Pty Ltd, Australia Distribution: world Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:52:24 +1000 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!ozemail.com.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3094 "Mark Jackson" wrote in message news:38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu... > > So, my question is, what game would any of the GMs and Players recommend > when they get in this mood? Hah! _Real_ Munchkins can munchkinise _any_ game system. That's the challenge. Try munchkining Cthulhu! Philipp. been there, done that. ###### From: Steve M Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Message-ID: <03aa077e.6ba56faa@usw-ex0110-075.remarq.com> Lines: 43 Bytes: 1734 X-Originating-Host: 139.130.215.201 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> X-Wren-Trace: eP7b8/LrrOatrf7z67b6+eHN5vbp/63n7uDy+OSk5LH8tr/qsO+4qbyuqau+7Ly8saCioA== Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:07:14 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.75 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 955063530 10.0.2.75 (Thu, 06 Apr 2000 16:25:30 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 16:25:30 PDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3141 In article <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu>, Mark Jackson wrote: > Okay, some times my gaming group gets into an odd > mood...the ever > dreaded Munchkin/Power Gamer/Min Max mood...and they > want to just have a > load of mindless fun by carrying around guns, punching > and kicking their > way though plots and stuff. Unfortunately, they do > this in the middle > of my planned out Cyberpunk or Star Wars or > Vampire/Mage/Etc... games > and send the Storyline straight out the window. > ::sighs:: > So, my question is, what game would any of the GMs and > Players recommend > when they get in this mood? I've heard that Feng Shui > (sp?) might be > good, but as my local game store was out of the copy > when I went, I was > curious what the group felt about it. > Also, are there any other suggestions? Strengths of > the suggested > systems? Weaknesses? > Thanks in advance... > M AD&D is my dungeon hack of choice. Of course they have to be at least 6th level characters, but I once took a 33rd(!) level magic user, by himself, through "Vault of the Drow". My GM and I laughed ourselves silly the whole way. I think he might have put in some extra (couple of hundred) zombies and stuff. GURPS Martial Arts has some good ideas for silly roleplaying, and I'm working on a campaign idea (have I mentioned this one) that's a battle between two resteraunts. A Japanese resteraunt opens in Chinatown, and the locals ain't happy... Think every bad, poorly dubbed kung-fu or karate flick you've ever seen, rolled into one. * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful ###### From: Jargon Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 00:18:57 -0400 Organization: None At All Lines: 28 Message-ID: <38ED61B0.1F1980E4@nospam.mindspring.com> References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.56.cd Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 7 Apr 2000 04:21:15 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3136 Teenagers from Outer Space and Toon also work great to blow steam. Feng Shui works best when you've just finished a really nasty Call of Cth. adventure and you really, really need some validation. Douglas Mark Jackson wrote: > Okay, some times my gaming group gets into an odd mood...the ever > dreaded Munchkin/Power Gamer/Min Max mood...and they want to just have a > load of mindless fun by carrying around guns, punching and kicking their > way though plots and stuff. Unfortunately, they do this in the middle > of my planned out Cyberpunk or Star Wars or Vampire/Mage/Etc... games > and send the Storyline straight out the window. ::sighs:: > > So, my question is, what game would any of the GMs and Players recommend > when they get in this mood? I've heard that Feng Shui (sp?) might be > good, but as my local game store was out of the copy when I went, I was > curious what the group felt about it. > > Also, are there any other suggestions? Strengths of the suggested > systems? Weaknesses? > > Thanks in advance... > > M ###### From: ccamfield@sympatico.ca (Chris Camfield) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Message-ID: <38ed63c9.991366@news1.on.sympatico.ca> References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 25 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 04:25:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.209.153.53 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 955081529 216.209.153.53 (Fri, 07 Apr 2000 00:25:29 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 00:25:29 EDT Organization: Sympatico Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3131 On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 10:05:13 -0500, Mark Jackson wrote: >Okay, some times my gaming group gets into an odd mood...the ever >dreaded Munchkin/Power Gamer/Min Max mood...and they want to just have a >load of mindless fun by carrying around guns, punching and kicking their >way though plots and stuff. Unfortunately, they do this in the middle >of my planned out Cyberpunk or Star Wars or Vampire/Mage/Etc... games >and send the Storyline straight out the window. ::sighs:: > >So, my question is, what game would any of the GMs and Players recommend >when they get in this mood? I've heard that Feng Shui (sp?) might be >good, but as my local game store was out of the copy when I went, I was >curious what the group felt about it. Order it. Now. You won't regret it. Feng Shui covers guns and martial arts and magic and arcanowave (weird magic/tech) and other funky stuff. The system is simple and pretty elegant and encourages cinematic action, stunts, and violence over labyrinthine plotting. Drawbacks? Um... dunno really. Not to be taken too seriously? :-) Chris ###### From: Kodeci Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 12:15:19 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 56 Message-ID: <8ckjge$e7u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.254.60.134 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Apr 07 12:15:19 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-22 i686) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 www-cache.irisa.fr:3128 (Squid/2.2.STABLE3), 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 131.254.61.53, 131.254.60.134 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkodeci Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.bme.hu!news.iif.hu!fu-berlin.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3091 In article <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu>, Mark Jackson wrote: > Okay, some times my gaming group gets into an odd mood...the ever > dreaded Munchkin/Power Gamer/Min Max mood...and they want to just have a > load of mindless fun by carrying around guns, punching and kicking their > way though plots and stuff. > So, my question is, what game would any of the GMs and Players recommend > when they get in this mood? I see two subtopics in a reply to your post. ####### I understood they don't want to bother with anything except combat. So the system should only care about what is useful in combat. Fortunately for you, many systems have that particularity. Also, you might care for giving them script immunity (impossibility to die), to help them have the right mood. ####### But I didn't understand the desired complexity level of the system. Do they: - want to Min-Max (includes a lot of complexity for players, when generating and upgrading characters, because min-maxing requires complexity and options) - want to not bother (suggests very little complexity for players). Both moods are in opposition in the complexity of the desired system. If they want to Min-Max, take a complex combat system with complex generation and upgrading of the useful abilities. But you might restrict your choice to systems that are not lethal to PCs (Hit Points - many of them - for example), or give them script immunity. All the Dongeons and Dragons serie comes to mind, and you can find *a lot* of material that will put some fun into your game. If they want to have a simple system, take a simple combat system with simple generation and upgrading. You might again restrict your choice to non-lethal systems. My system of choice would be Risus the game http://www.io.com/~sjohn/risus.htm my review http://members.xoom.com/kodeci/reviews/risus.html but a Fudge adaptation would also fit, as well as many other lite-systems. Kodeci Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ###### Message-ID: <38EDD6B5.6113F419@lig.bellsouth.net> From: Mitch Williams X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> <8ckjge$e7u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 07:38:13 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.78.132.116 X-Trace: news3.mia 955111088 216.78.132.116 (Fri, 07 Apr 2000 08:38:08 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 08:38:08 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.atl!news3.mia.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3118 Paranoia is the best game I know for a night of total mayhem. Not only can you kill things in all sorts of fun ways, you can kill the other player characters in all sorts of fun ways up to 6 times each. The GM even gets to have the same kind of fun. Not only is the computer your friend, but the helpful folks at R and D really give the GM fun things to inflict on...er, give to the players. Mitch ###### From: Walt Smith Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 13:31:07 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8cknur$iq9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.205.85.124 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Apr 07 13:31:07 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x25.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 147.205.85.124 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDfirelock Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3095 In article , "Philipp Grawe" wrote: > Hah! > > _Real_ Munchkins can munchkinise _any_ game system. That's the challenge. > Try munchkining Cthulhu! Scary thing is...government agent who *started* with handgun at 95%...I've done that. It's not nice to annoy the GM. I played in that campaign every weekend for two months, had to miss one session a month to go see my family (I was in college at the time). Each time I wasn't there, he had my PC kill himself by doing something really, really stupid. I've come to the conclusion that my GM was a spineless coward. ;-) Walt Smith -- Firelock on DALNet Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ###### Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> <8ckjge$e7u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38EDD6B5.6113F419@lig.bellsouth.net> Organization: Society for the Retention of Apostrophes in Names X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test72 (19 April 1999) From: sos@katie.vnet.net (Steffan O'Sullivan) Lines: 22 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 14:24:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.82.1.7 X-Trace: ralph.vnet.net 955117464 166.82.1.7 (Fri, 07 Apr 2000 10:24:24 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 10:24:24 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!ralph.vnet.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3114 Mitch Williams wrote: >Paranoia is the best game I know for a night of total mayhem. Very good choice! I can also recommend Tunnels & Trolls, published by Flying Buffalo (in print) if you want a simple Fantasy game. Or, better yet, if you can find a copy: Monsters! Monsters! (out of print) by the same author (Ken St. Andre). It was published in two different editions, one by Metagaming and one by Flying Buffalo. Either would do you just fine, and is unabashedly a game for munchkins if ever there was one. -- -Steffan O'Sullivan | "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only groo@groo.com | light can do that. Hatred cannot drive http://www.io.com/~sos | out hatred; only love can do that." Plymouth, NH, USA | -Martin Luther King, Jr. ###### From: "Frank T. Sronce" Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 11:03:37 -0400 Organization: Oceanography Dept, Texas A&M Lines: 42 Message-ID: <38EDF8C9.EF2F8749@myriad.net> References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> <8cknur$iq9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: deacon.tamu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Apr 2000 15:57:22 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!205.231.82.12!newsrouter.icnc.com!solomon.io.com!news.tamu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3069 Walt Smith wrote: > > In article , > "Philipp Grawe" wrote: > > Hah! > > > > _Real_ Munchkins can munchkinise _any_ game system. That's the > challenge. > > Try munchkining Cthulhu! > > Scary thing is...government agent who *started* with handgun at > 95%...I've done that. > Pah. A real Munchkin starts with 89% with a weapon that does a little more damage- like a sawed off shotgun. 89% is where you want to be, IIRC; increasing a skill to 90%+ nets you a nice SAN bonus, which you'll lose out on if you start higher than that. Dodge is another skill you want as high as possible, because if a monster in this game actually hits you you're probably a goner. :-) Kiz -no, I'm not really serious. :-) ###### From: kamikaze@kuoi.asui.uidaho.edu (Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Date: 7 Apr 2000 15:36:30 GMT Organization: the Satellite of Love Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: kuoi.asui.uidaho.edu Keywords: Hexapodia as the key insight X-X: http://kuoi.asui.uidaho.edu/~kamikaze/documents/x-headers.html User-Agent: slrn/0.9.6.2 (FreeBSD) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!europa.netcrusader.net!204.127.161.3!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!206.191.82.230!prairie.attcanada.net!newsfeed.attcanada.net!12.127.17.144!attbt1!ip.att.net!news.fsr.net!kamikaze Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3071 Thu, 06 Apr 2000 10:05:13 -0500 in <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu>, Mark Jackson spake: >So, my question is, what game would any of the GMs and Players recommend >when they get in this mood? I've heard that Feng Shui (sp?) might be >good, but as my local game store was out of the copy when I went, I was >curious what the group felt about it. I know of only two cures for munchkins, and one is considered aggravated assault. But here's the other one. Be cautious, this is not for the meek: -- Mark Hughes Disclaimer: I do not have an orbital mind control laser; you are free to post your own opinion, but be prepared to back it up, because I *will* call you on it if I think it's bullshit. That's how the Internet, and life, works. ###### From: bruce-baugh@sff.net (Bruce Baugh) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 16:30:53 GMT Organization: Zenrei Bunraku Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8cl2ft$36c_008@enews.newsguy.com> References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> <38ed63c9.991366@news1.on.sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-142.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!mycroft Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3129 In article <38ed63c9.991366@news1.on.sympatico.ca>, ccamfield@sympatico.ca (Chris Camfield) wrote: >Drawbacks? Um... dunno really. Not to be taken too seriously? :-) But one can easily use Feng Shui for, say, A BULLET IN THE HEAD and other emotionally demanding stories in the HK action style. People don't, generally, but one _can_ with no more fuss than doing Jackie Chan. -- Bruce Baugh / bruce-baugh@sff.net http://bruce-baugh.users.spiretech.com/ - finally, small but current. "Never let it be be said, especially by large men with big guns, that I failed to help." - Dave Weinstein ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Date: 07 Apr 2000 23:52:23 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 51 Message-ID: <6uzor5h948.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> <8ckjge$e7u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38EDD6B5.6113F419@lig.bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 955144344 788 10.0.3.2 (7 Apr 2000 21:52:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Apr 2000 21:52:24 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3168 Mitch Williams writes: > Paranoia is the best game I know for a night of total mayhem. I will second that one. > can you kill things in all sorts of fun ways, you can kill the other > player characters in all sorts of fun ways up to 6 times each. The wonder of clones. > The GM even gets to have the same kind of fun. Our GM is actually a bit slow at killing. I have in our present round (2 evenings) run out of ammunition before using up all my clones! > Not only is the computer > your friend, but the helpful folks at R and D really give the GM fun > things to inflict on... Are you suggesting out well researched, flexible, reliable, perfect, high power equipment is not good? You are doubting the Computers wisdom in chosing us! That is treason, you commie bastard! [*Zap*, next clone M-I-TCH-2 writes further, damnit only Infrared] > er, give to the players. Thats it. > Mitch M-I-TCH that is written. HACK-U-NIX, R&D, serving the computer -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Nerd, Geek, Hacker, Unix Guru, Sysadmin, Roleplayer, LARPer, Mystic Use a WIMP (Windows Icons Mouse Pulldowns) interface - or get one with a CLUE (Command Line User Environment)? ###### From: "Frank T. Sronce" Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 17:11:54 -0400 Organization: Oceanography Dept, Texas A&M Lines: 38 Message-ID: <38EE4F1A.3AAD9DB7@myriad.net> References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> <03aa077e.6ba56faa@usw-ex0110-075.remarq.com> <8clk18$acq$1@pulp.srv.ualberta.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: deacon.tamu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Apr 2000 22:05:40 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp2.giganews.com!news-feeds.jump.net!solomon.io.com!news.tamu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3173 S Cordner wrote: > > > AD&D is my dungeon hack of choice. Of course they have to > > be at least 6th level characters, but I once took a 33rd(!) > > level magic user, by himself, through "Vault of the Drow". > > Without a doubt. For over the top powergaming and minnmaxing fun, I > suggest getting your hands on every handbook and supplement for ADnD > (you've got to know at least ONE person with them all, right?) and > creating custom character classes. Downright anime in its power. I > really can't go on enough about how great ADnD is for unabashed > powergaming. > Use the old 1st ed Unearthed Arcana supplement. Don't look up the corrections they made later; use the character classes in all their original hideously unbalanced glory. :-) Don't forget to double specialize in the short bow and grab sheaf arrows. :-) Kiz -oh, and pick up Oriental Adventures, too. I once wrote up an exceedingly gross Ninja-Geisha PC. See, Geishas were published in Dragon and were pretty wimpy, except that they got lots of proficiencies... almost all of which I put into martial arts. Oh, the glory of a 3rd level assassin-type who could could backstab her target with her bare hands and inflict 3d10 damage... add in the backstab bonus (double damage? I forget exactly how gross it was) and you have a character that... my DM wouldn't let me play. :-) > Champions is a close second, though. A bit more math-heavy, though. But > the end result is the same. ###### From: jim@moose.powernet.co.uk.hat (Jim Davies) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 21:14:07 GMT Reply-To: jim@moose.powernet.co.uk.hat Message-ID: <38ed0bf4.4080318@news.powernet.co.uk> References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.60.20.121 X-Trace: 7 Apr 2000 23:13:39 +0100, 195.60.20.121 Lines: 9 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!diablo.theplanet.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!peernews.cix.co.uk!news-feed.power.net.uk!news.power.net.uk!195.60.20.121 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3186 Try *Violence* by Hogshead. The name sums it up. And it's very cheap. Not sure that anyone would actually play it for real, but it's worth a look, and very funny. Jim Davies ------------------------------------------ Spamfilter: remove all clothing to reply. This does not affect your statutory rights. ###### From: S Cordner Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Date: 7 Apr 2000 21:30:16 GMT Organization: University of Alberta Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8clk18$acq$1@pulp.srv.ualberta.ca> References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> <03aa077e.6ba56faa@usw-ex0110-075.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: gpu5.srv.ualberta.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA 970424; AIX 4.1] Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.icl.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!gpu.srv.ualberta.ca!scordner Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3184 > AD&D is my dungeon hack of choice. Of course they have to > be at least 6th level characters, but I once took a 33rd(!) > level magic user, by himself, through "Vault of the Drow". Without a doubt. For over the top powergaming and minnmaxing fun, I suggest getting your hands on every handbook and supplement for ADnD (you've got to know at least ONE person with them all, right?) and creating custom character classes. Downright anime in its power. I really can't go on enough about how great ADnD is for unabashed powergaming. Champions is a close second, though. A bit more math-heavy, though. But the end result is the same. ###### From: ccamfield@sympatico.ca (Chris Camfield) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Message-ID: <38ee832f.460233@news1.on.sympatico.ca> References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> <38ed63c9.991366@news1.on.sympatico.ca> <8cl2ft$36c_008@enews.newsguy.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 29 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 00:57:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.209.154.7 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 955155424 216.209.154.7 (Fri, 07 Apr 2000 20:57:04 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 20:57:04 EDT Organization: Sympatico Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3187 On Fri, 07 Apr 2000 16:30:53 GMT, bruce-baugh@sff.net (Bruce Baugh) wrote: >In article <38ed63c9.991366@news1.on.sympatico.ca>, ccamfield@sympatico.ca (Chris Camfield) wrote: > >>Drawbacks? Um... dunno really. Not to be taken too seriously? :-) > >But one can easily use Feng Shui for, say, A BULLET IN THE HEAD and >other emotionally demanding stories in the HK action style. People >don't, generally, but one _can_ with no more fuss than doing Jackie >Chan. True! I have thought of something that might be a genuine drawback: a difference of even 2 points in a skill between two characters is pretty major. If a character with martial arts 12 is trying to hit someone with martial arts 14, they have by my very rough calculations about an 11/36 chance of hitting. The guy with a 14 has about a 28/36 chance of hitting his less skilled opponent. So - amongst other things - if one player is much more interested in buying up his guns or martial arts than investing in schticks, their character could be grossly overpowerful compared with other characters who are doing more imaginative things with their points, and that could lead to problems with choosing opponents of appropriate power level to fight the PCs, etc. CC ###### From: brandi@dcn.davis.ca.us (Brandi Weed) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Message-ID: References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.12 Lines: 3 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 21:33:07 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 18:34:29 -0700 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!HSNX.atgi.net!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3194 I'm surprised no one mentioned S*nzar yet... Brandi ###### From: Jean-Michel GOT Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 06:24:40 +0200 Organization: Paladins du =?iso-8859-1?Q?Cr=E9puscule?= Lines: 42 Message-ID: <38EEB488.F362EFD7@club-internet.fr> References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> Reply-To: jfbaston@club-internet.fr NNTP-Posting-Host: la-rochelle-1-58.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: front2m.grolier.fr 955167205 20828 194.158.117.58 (8 Apr 2000 04:13:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Apr 2000 04:13:25 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [fr] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: fr-FR,en,de-DE Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3181 Mark Jackson a écrit : > Okay, some times my gaming group gets into an odd mood...the ever > > and send the Storyline straight out the window. ::sighs:: > > So, my question is, what game would any of the GMs and Players recommend > when they get in this mood? > > Also, are there any other suggestions? Strengths of the suggested > systems? Weaknesses? > > Thanks in advance... > > M You can use : Hunter Planet, very fun, very kick, very gross, very... An australian game in which you play a stupid E.T. wanting to be a Predator TM and buying for a safari on earth. In Nomine Satanis / Magna Veritas, the original french version of In Nomine is a very fun game. All official scenarii have the same structure : 1. The Start : You've got a Problem. 2. Find the source quickly. 3. You find the source goto 3.1 else goto 3.2 3.1 Kick their ass in a huge battle where odds are against you. If you survive goto 4. 3.2 They came to kick your ass in a giga huge battle where you have no odds at all. If you survive, goto 4. 4. End of Problem, new powers and/or new limitations granted with congratulations and/or punishments. So if you play right, you've got a big fray, else, you got a monstrous fray : everything you can dream for Munchkins! NB : In Nomine (Steve Jackson) and In Nomine Satanis/ Magna Veritas (INS/MV by Siroz) are really to different games, even if a big part of INS background was included in In Nomine. ###### Message-ID: <38EF3E5D.B30A059B@netscape.net> Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 10:12:45 -0400 From: bugnetting@netscape.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.23.21.8 X-Trace: 8 Apr 2000 10:11:47 -0400, 216.23.21.8 Organization: OneNet Communications News Hub Lines: 14 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!feed.newsreader.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news2.one.net!216.23.21.8 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3200 From the hills a lone voice called: > > > So, my question is, what game would any of the GMs and Players recommend > when they get in this mood? Rifts. Maybe Aberrant, since you won't be worrying about long-term taint. -- "Dr. Fishopolis, noooooooooooo!" -The Space Ghost Players ###### From: Scipio99 Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 14:45:09 -0400 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <38F0CFB5.177DB2EE@rcn.com> References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> <01bf9fe5$0cf6eee0$486602d0@john---sandra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dWaVjhkOzPOQNnqnLlu/cje+cuFk3aMIkstCa+Ktygs= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Apr 2000 18:45:11 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3261 I agree that with Rifts, everything taken to excess is game balance. (Compare the original rules with, say, Phase World 1 & 2.) However, for some truly heinous munchkinism, try The World of Synnibar. This game really has a lot of potential for abuse. My friend still shudders when I mention my Immortal Born [Winged Warrior / Priest of Berava]. At first level, the character could lift 100 tons, survive in the vacuum of space for several hours unprotected, wielded a form of magic, had several mutant powers, and could use all forms of combat skills. And the worst part is, I legitimately rolled it up. (Of course, it took a lot of rolls! :-) ) scipio99 "S. John Ross" wrote: > I think RIFTS is unmatched in the pure, > Hardware-And-Powergaming-Over-Anything-Else department. ###### Message-ID: <38F0D08A.6CD1@wizvax.net> Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 14:48:42 -0400 From: Sea Wasp Reply-To: seawasp@wizvax.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> <01bf9fe5$0cf6eee0$486602d0@john---sandra> <38F0CFB5.177DB2EE@rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: cm-24-29-53-166.nycap.rr.com X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: cm-24-29-53-166.nycap.rr.com X-Trace: 9 Apr 2000 14:50:42 -0400, cm-24-29-53-166.nycap.rr.com Lines: 19 XPident: Unknown X-Authenticated-User: seawasp X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.181.141.3 XPident: Unknown Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.phoen-x.net!news.wizvax.net!cm-24-29-53-166.nycap.rr.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3265 Scipio99 wrote: > > I agree that with Rifts, everything taken to excess is game balance. > (Compare the original rules with, say, Phase World 1 & 2.) However, for > some truly heinous munchkinism, try The World of Synnibar. They're all pikers. AMBER. Everyone STARTS as an immortal, superhuman being and can take powers that allow them to travel to, and transform, and even destroy, entire universes. The only game in which for a single character point (out of 100, normally) you can own an entire universe to your specifications. -- Sea Wasp http://www.wizvax.net/seawasp/index.html /^\ ;;; _Morgantown: The Jason Wood Chronicles_, at http://www.hyperbooks.com/catalog/20040.html ###### From: neelk@brick.cswv.com (Neel Krishnaswami) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Date: 9 Apr 2000 21:21:04 GMT Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> Reply-To: neelk@alum.mit.edu X-Trace: TO+3siLx7JBzJ2ZzPSgKm7eah0lzdvtrq4f2Wsx+IkA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Apr 2000 21:21:04 GMT X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.5.2 UNIX) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!neelk Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3309 Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes wrote: > > I know of only two cures for munchkins, and one is considered > aggravated assault. But here's the other one. Be cautious, this is > not for the meek: Woah, cool. I think I'd enjoy playing this, actually. Incidentally, go read James Stoddard's _The False House_ -- it's a fantasy novel revolving around a plot to use a copy of _Wuthering Heights_ to destroy the universe. (No, really. It's serious, and it is very cool.) Neel ###### From: Scipio99 Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 17:32:42 -0400 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <38F0F6FA.1AF81C4B@rcn.com> References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> <01bf9fe5$0cf6eee0$486602d0@john---sandra> <38F0CFB5.177DB2EE@rcn.com> <38F0D08A.6CD1@wizvax.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: aPsncMHe49xSB/KFVK2imcTNVWzr26/G/Emrx4mc41c= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Apr 2000 21:32:43 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3336 Touché! An added bonus is that you only have 4 stats, so you can devote more brain power into squeezing everything you can out of Pattern Mastery. (A true munchkin dream ability!) scipio99 Sea Wasp wrote: > They're all pikers. > > AMBER. Everyone STARTS as an immortal, superhuman being and can take > powers that allow them to travel to, and transform, and even destroy, > entire universes. The only game in which for a single character point > (out of 100, normally) you can own an entire universe to your > specifications. > ###### From: Steve M Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Message-ID: <02f42b85.9399a672@usw-ex0110-075.remarq.com> Lines: 13 Bytes: 544 X-Originating-Host: 139.130.215.201 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> <38ed0bf4.4080318@news.powernet.co.uk> X-Wren-Trace: eNz50dDJjsSPj9zRyZTY28PvxNTL3Y/FzMLQ2saGxpPelJ3Iks2ai56Mi4mczp6ek4KAgg== Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 19:24:55 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.75 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon2 955330136 10.0.2.75 (Sun, 09 Apr 2000 18:28:56 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 18:28:56 PDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon2.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3310 'Nother thought. Anyone here played "Hunter Planet"? Seriously twisted game. The players are aliens on safari, hunting "Hoomans" on the planet "Dirt". Lots of mayhem, violence etc. And it gets sillier from there. There's a specific rule that characters can take anything they want, as long as it's written down on the character sheet. Makes for some interesting reading... * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful ###### From: ccamfield@sympatico.ca (Chris Camfield) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Message-ID: <38f1552f.1616045@news1.on.sympatico.ca> References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 23 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 04:11:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.209.154.210 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 955339864 216.209.154.210 (Mon, 10 Apr 2000 00:11:04 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 00:11:04 EDT Organization: Sympatico Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news0.de.colt.net!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.icl.net!europa.netcrusader.net!128.223.220.30!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3306 On 9 Apr 2000 21:21:04 GMT, neelk@brick.cswv.com (Neel Krishnaswami) wrote: >Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes wrote: >> >> I know of only two cures for munchkins, and one is considered >> aggravated assault. But here's the other one. Be cautious, this is >> not for the meek: > >Woah, cool. I think I'd enjoy playing this, actually. > >Incidentally, go read James Stoddard's _The False House_ -- it's a >fantasy novel revolving around a plot to use a copy of _Wuthering >Heights_ to destroy the universe. (No, really. It's serious, and >it is very cool.) Unless Wuthering Heights is really your specific interest, read The High House first. The False House is a sequel to it. (In my opinion, the first book is better.) Wonderful atmosphere to these books. Chris ###### From: ccamfield@sympatico.ca (Chris Camfield) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Message-ID: <38f1c8e9.947997@news1.on.sympatico.ca> References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> <01bf9fe5$0cf6eee0$486602d0@john---sandra> <38F0CFB5.177DB2EE@rcn.com> <38F0D08A.6CD1@wizvax.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 24 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:24:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.209.158.33 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 955369449 216.209.158.33 (Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:24:09 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:24:09 EDT Organization: Sympatico Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3307 On Sun, 09 Apr 2000 14:48:42 -0400, Sea Wasp wrote: >Scipio99 wrote: >> >> I agree that with Rifts, everything taken to excess is game balance. >> (Compare the original rules with, say, Phase World 1 & 2.) However, for >> some truly heinous munchkinism, try The World of Synnibar. > > They're all pikers. > > AMBER. Everyone STARTS as an immortal, superhuman being and can take >powers that allow them to travel to, and transform, and even destroy, >entire universes. The only game in which for a single character point >(out of 100, normally) you can own an entire universe to your >specifications. Except that nobody in Amber walks around in "Glitterboy" powered armor, or can shoot laser beams from their ass. Shadows aren't real universes either. Or at least that's what the Amberites would say. :-) Chris ###### From: neelk@brick.cswv.com (Neel Krishnaswami) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Date: 10 Apr 2000 19:45:30 GMT Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> <38f1552f.1616045@news1.on.sympatico.ca> Reply-To: neelk@alum.mit.edu X-Trace: MPhGud8ynDBS4T5z2TKbBJqoTc1sWvPk6BuQ+ioBvE4= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Apr 2000 19:45:30 GMT X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.5.2 UNIX) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!europa.netcrusader.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!neelk Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3396 Chris Camfield wrote: > On 9 Apr 2000 21:21:04 GMT, neelk@brick.cswv.com (Neel Krishnaswami) > wrote: > > > >Incidentally, go read James Stoddard's _The False House_ -- it's a > >fantasy novel revolving around a plot to use a copy of _Wuthering > >Heights_ to destroy the universe. (No, really. It's serious, and > >it is very cool.) > > Unless Wuthering Heights is really your specific interest, read The > High House first. The False House is a sequel to it. (In my opinion, > the first book is better.) Erg, yes. I apparently cut a sentence about _The High House_ before posting it, and that's critical -- I don't think _The False House_ would make much sense without having read the first book. > Wonderful atmosphere to these books. Absolutely. Neel ###### From: "Robin Lim" Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> <01bf9fe5$0cf6eee0$486602d0@john---sandra> <38F0CFB5.177DB2EE@rcn.com> <38F0D08A.6CD1@wizvax.net> <38f1c8e9.947997@news1.on.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:04:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.68.57.152 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc2.on.home.com 955616665 24.68.57.152 (Thu, 13 Apr 2000 02:04:25 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 02:04:25 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc2.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3708 Chris Camfield wrote in message news:38f1c8e9.947997@news1.on.sympatico.ca... > > Except that nobody in Amber walks around in "Glitterboy" powered > armor, or can shoot laser beams from their ass. Sure you can. Just buy your very own Engine Speed, Deadly Damage, Impervious to All Attacks Glitterboy. If you want a few more, don't forget to make it named and numbered. As for shooting laser beams from your ass, just walk to a shadow which lets you do it. > Shadows aren't real universes either. Or at least that's what the > Amberites would say. :-) They can kill you. That's real enough in my books. :) Rob ###### From: "Robin Lim" Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> <38ed63c9.991366@news1.on.sympatico.ca> <8cl2ft$36c_008@enews.newsguy.com> <38ee832f.460233@news1.on.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:11:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.68.57.152 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc2.on.home.com 955617074 24.68.57.152 (Thu, 13 Apr 2000 02:11:14 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 02:11:14 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc2.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3716 Chris Camfield wrote in message news:38ee832f.460233@news1.on.sympatico.ca... > So - amongst other things - if one player is much more interested in > buying up his guns or martial arts than investing in schticks, their > character could be grossly overpowerful compared with other characters > who are doing more imaginative things with their points, and that > could lead to problems with choosing opponents of appropriate power > level to fight the PCs, etc. All of the templates have their MA or Guns capped at the start of the game, so unless you've run through a few adventures (extremely unlikely if you're just blowing off steam), it's a real non-issue. Of course, some templates are WAAAAY better than others. Be aware of the sick templates, and dissuade players from taking the lame ones. Everybody should be able to blow steam off equally. You may want to consider making pregen characters. I recommend the following if you just want to blow steam off. They're pretty much the upper tier of templates: Old Master Abomination Ex-Special Forces Transformed animal Supernatural Creature Sorceror, but be lax on the sorcery :) Rob ###### From: "Robin Lim" Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> <38EF3E5D.B30A059B@netscape.net> Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:16:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.68.57.152 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc2.on.home.com 955617397 24.68.57.152 (Thu, 13 Apr 2000 02:16:37 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 02:16:37 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!bignews.mediaways.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc2.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3720 wrote in message news:38EF3E5D.B30A059B@netscape.net... > From the hills a lone voice called: > > > > > > > So, my question is, what game would any of the GMs and Players recommend > > when they get in this mood? > > Rifts. Maybe Aberrant, since you won't be worrying about long-term taint. If you do the latter, be sure to hand out at least 60-70 Nova points. Rob ###### Message-ID: <38F59B6A.5A32@wizvax.net> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 06:03:22 -0400 From: Sea Wasp Reply-To: seawasp@wizvax.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> <01bf9fe5$0cf6eee0$486602d0@john---sandra> <38F0CFB5.177DB2EE@rcn.com> <38F0D08A.6CD1@wizvax.net> <38f1c8e9.947997@news1.on.sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: cm-24-29-53-166.nycap.rr.com X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: cm-24-29-53-166.nycap.rr.com X-Trace: 13 Apr 2000 06:05:18 -0400, cm-24-29-53-166.nycap.rr.com Lines: 32 XPident: Unknown X-Authenticated-User: seawasp X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.181.141.3 XPident: Unknown Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.yosemite.net!newspeer.phoen-x.net!news.wizvax.net!cm-24-29-53-166.nycap.rr.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3777 Chris Camfield wrote: > > On Sun, 09 Apr 2000 14:48:42 -0400, Sea Wasp > wrote: > > >Scipio99 wrote: > >> > >> I agree that with Rifts, everything taken to excess is game balance. > >> (Compare the original rules with, say, Phase World 1 & 2.) However, for > >> some truly heinous munchkinism, try The World of Synnibar. > > > > They're all pikers. > > > > AMBER. Everyone STARTS as an immortal, superhuman being and can take > >powers that allow them to travel to, and transform, and even destroy, > >entire universes. The only game in which for a single character point > >(out of 100, normally) you can own an entire universe to your > >specifications. > > Except that nobody in Amber walks around in "Glitterboy" powered > armor, or can shoot laser beams from their ass.\ If that's what they want, they do. Any Shadow power like THAT you can have for free. It just doesn't work outside of the Shadow in question unless you pay appropriate points for it. -- Sea Wasp http://www.wizvax.net/seawasp/index.html /^\ ;;; _Morgantown: The Jason Wood Chronicles_, at http://www.hyperbooks.com/catalog/20040.html ###### From: bdysart@network.boxmail.com Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc Subject: Re: Question for all the Munchkins (don't worry, I'm one too...) Date: 13 Apr 2000 19:18:13 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8d56hl$2iu$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <38ECA7A8.371EBB@ou.edu> <38F0D08A.6CD1@wizvax.net> <38f1c8e9.947997@news1.on.sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: yellow.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: bdysart X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test72 (19 April 1999) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.new-york.net!news.kjsl.com!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!bdysart.a2i!bdysart Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.games.frp.misc:3539 In article , Robin Lim wrote: > >Chris Camfield wrote in message >news:38f1c8e9.947997@news1.on.sympatico.ca... >> >> Except that nobody in Amber walks around in "Glitterboy" powered >> armor, or can shoot laser beams from their ass. > >Sure you can. Just buy your very own Engine Speed, Deadly Damage, >Impervious to All Attacks Glitterboy. If you want a few more, don't forget >to make it named and numbered. As for shooting laser beams from your ass, >just walk to a shadow which lets you do it. Ah, that would be the world where they developed laser-reflective armor before toilets. -- Brian Dysart | The RNG giveth, and the RNG taketh away. bdysart@network.boxmail.com | "...and eight for the fruit bat." www.rahul.net/bdysart/ | <*> Code Code block: C---