From: "Hogne B. Pettersen" Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.elfquest Subject: Seems like WaRP was ahead of their time Date: 14 Jan 2002 19:12:13 +0100 Organization: UNINETT news service Lines: 13 Sender: elf@yme.mo.himolde.no Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: yme.mo.himolde.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: snipp.uninett.no 1011031880 14128 158.38.74.10 (14 Jan 2002 18:11:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@uninett.no User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) Emacs/20.7 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!uninett.no!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.comics.elfquest:107 http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=727 Diana Schutz says the comic book format will soon die and that the future belongs to GNs..... -- -Elf- NEW MAIL: elf@elfworld.org URL: http://www.mo.himolde.no/~elf/ IRC: Elf/Alv Linux user: "Ok, the GUI sucks, but see how fast and reliable it is?" Windows user: "It hasn't crashed since yesterday!" Mac-user: "Look, how it matches the furniture!" ###### From: Richard Pini Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.elfquest Subject: Re: Seems like WaRP was ahead of their time Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 03:49:11 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 10 Message-ID: <190120020349114627%rpini@elfquest.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: d5.74.16.b6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Server-Date: 19 Jan 2002 08:49:14 GMT Mail-Copies-To: poster User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/5.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!news.mindspring.net!rpini Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.comics.elfquest:109 In article , Hogne B. Pettersen wrote: > http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=727 > > Diana Schutz says the comic book format will soon die and that the future > belongs to GNs..... We were the first in the US to do this. Twenty-plus years later, that and a dollar might get a cup of coffee... ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.elfquest Subject: Re: Seems like WaRP was ahead of their time Date: 20 Jan 2002 00:59:46 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6uadv9zybx.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <190120020349114627%rpini@elfquest.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 1011484786 1538 10.0.3.2 (19 Jan 2002 23:59:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jan 2002 23:59:46 GMT Cc: poster X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.comics.elfquest:111 Richard Pini writes: > In article , Hogne B. Pettersen > wrote: > > > Diana Schutz says the comic book format will soon die and that the future > > belongs to GNs..... > > We were the first in the US to do this. And are unfortunately not doing it any more :-(. No GNs, just the b&w RCs. While I understand that most readers prefer the lot cheaper b&w format, some of us out here do have the money and would prefer those nice colour prints. Would you consider, in addition to the RCs, bringing back the GNs, as low volume, higher price, collectors editions? Hunting for them on ebay (= costs lots of time, risk of non delivery) is vastly inferior to simply ordering them new from Warp. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Sysadmin, Archer, Roleplayer - Intellectual Property is Intellectual Robbery ###### Lines: 14 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: tavie@aol.complaintbx (Tay-vee) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.elfquest Date: 20 Jan 2002 00:30:01 GMT References: <6uadv9zybx.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Seems like WaRP was ahead of their time Message-ID: <20020119193001.06658.00000698@mb-fi.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!asynchrone!feed.ac-versailles.fr!freenix!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!proxad.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.comics.elfquest:114 Neil said: >Would you consider, in addition to the RCs, bringing back the GNs, as >low volume, higher price, collectors editions? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yesyesyesyesyesyesyes! Please do this. Tavie (rhymes with GRAVY, not savvy) == "Welcome to LA; follow this ASS!" -Dave Foley "YOU! moustache! NOW!" -Goose ###### From: Shannon Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.elfquest Subject: Re: Seems like WaRP was ahead of their time Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:57:13 -0500 Message-ID: References: <6uadv9zybx.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <20020119193001.06658.00000698@mb-fi.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: lou-ts14-20.iglou.com X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: lou-ts14-20.iglou.com X-Trace: news.iglou.com 1011488255 lou-ts14-20.iglou.com (19 Jan 2002 19:57:35 -0500) Lines: 14 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.255.238.218 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!zur.uu.net!ash.uu.net!news.iglou.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.comics.elfquest:116 On 20 Jan 2002 00:30:01 GMT, tavie@aol.complaintbx (Tay-vee) wrote: >Neil said: > >>Would you consider, in addition to the RCs, bringing back the GNs, as >>low volume, higher price, collectors editions? > >Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yesyesyesyesyesyesyes! > >Please do this. Yes, this would be lovely. Shannon ###### From: "Robyn" Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.elfquest References: <6uadv9zybx.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <20020119193001.06658.00000698@mb-fi.aol.com> Subject: Re: Seems like WaRP was ahead of their time Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 03:55:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.56.12.96 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1011498923 65.56.12.96 (Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:55:23 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:55:23 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:55:27 PST (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.comics.elfquest:112 "Tay-vee" wrote in message news:20020119193001.06658.00000698@mb-fi.aol.com... > Neil said: > > >Would you consider, in addition to the RCs, bringing back the GNs, as > >low volume, higher price, collectors editions? > > Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yesyesyesyesyesyesyes! > I agree!!! I would pay twice as much easily to have the pretty GN format! It's fine when the issues were drawn as B&W, but when you take a colour issue and print it B&W it just looks bad. On a side note, I do like to color the B&W ones with coloured pencils sometimes. Robyn ###### Message-ID: <3C4AEFF0.8D4CE680@worldnet.att.net> From: Dreamstalker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.elfquest Subject: Re: Seems like WaRP was ahead of their time References: <6uadv9zybx.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <20020119193001.06658.00000698@mb-fi.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:26:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.91.3.148 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1011543969 12.91.3.148 (Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:26:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:26:09 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.comics.elfquest:113 Robyn wrote: > "Tay-vee" wrote in message > news:20020119193001.06658.00000698@mb-fi.aol.com... > > Neil said: > > > > >Would you consider, in addition to the RCs, bringing back the GNs, as > > >low volume, higher price, collectors editions? > > > > Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yesyesyesyesyesyesyes! > > > I agree!!! I would pay twice as much easily to have the pretty GN format! > It's fine when the issues were drawn as B&W, but when you take a colour > issue and print it B&W it just looks bad. *nods* I was rereading my "Shards" RC the other day and noticed myself thinking that the art got worse when I wasn't looking at it ;) Yes yes yes, even finding a way to reprint -all- the RC books in color (same size--dunno how much sense this would make costwise) would be fantastic! Especially for introducing newbies, color makes so much more of an impact...B&W it's just "ehh".... ###### From: Richard Pini Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.elfquest Subject: Re: Seems like WaRP was ahead of their time Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:21:56 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 33 Message-ID: <200120021221567769%rpini@elfquest.com> References: <6uadv9zybx.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <20020119193001.06658.00000698@mb-fi.aol.com> <3C4AEFF0.8D4CE680@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d5.74.16.cd Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Server-Date: 20 Jan 2002 17:22:01 GMT Mail-Copies-To: poster User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/5.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!rpini Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.comics.elfquest:119 In article <3C4AEFF0.8D4CE680@worldnet.att.net>, Dreamstalker wrote: > Robyn wrote: > > > "Tay-vee" wrote in message > > news:20020119193001.06658.00000698@mb-fi.aol.com... > > > Neil said: > > > > > > >Would you consider, in addition to the RCs, bringing back the GNs, as > > > >low volume, higher price, collectors editions? > > > > > > Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yesyesyesyesyesyesyes! > > > > > I agree!!! I would pay twice as much easily to have the pretty GN format! > > It's fine when the issues were drawn as B&W, but when you take a colour > > issue and print it B&W it just looks bad. > > *nods* I was rereading my "Shards" RC the other day and noticed myself > thinking that the art got worse when I wasn't looking at it ;) Yes yes yes, > even finding a way to reprint -all- the RC books in color (same size--dunno > how much sense this would make costwise) would be fantastic! Especially for > introducing newbies, color makes so much more of an impact...B&W it's just > "ehh".... Once upon a time, we were all newbies, and B&W was all there was... Also, the Reader's Collection volumes *are* graphic novels. Full color, "low" production run volumes could run $40-$50 each these days, especially given that that original art and printing films have gone. Scare up a mere 2000 people guaranteed to purchase every volume, and let's talk. ###### From: Yngvar =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=F8lling?= Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.elfquest Subject: Re: Seems like WaRP was ahead of their time Message-ID: References: <190120020349114627%rpini@elfquest.com> <6uadv9zybx.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.60 X-Converter: MorVer Version 0.8.307 Lines: 39 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:29:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.216.40.5 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tele2.no X-Trace: juliett.dax.net 1011551372 193.216.40.5 (Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:29:32 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:29:32 MET Organization: Tele2 Norway AS Public Access Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!dax.net!juliett.dax.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.comics.elfquest:117 In article <6uadv9zybx.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch>, neil@franklin.ch says... > Richard Pini writes: > > > In article , Hogne B. Pettersen > > wrote: > > > > > Diana Schutz says the comic book format will soon die and that the future > > > belongs to GNs..... > > > > We were the first in the US to do this. > > And are unfortunately not doing it any more :-(. > > No GNs, just the b&w RCs. Er... now I'm confused. Do you feel that a book *must* be in colour to be called a GN, or Graphic Novel? Do you mean, then, that books like Bone, Cerebus and Strangers in Paradise are *not* GNs either? Not to mention Ghost World and From Hell, both of which are out as movies now. Those comics were in B&W, too. Does that make them *not* Graphic Novels? This is the first time I've heard someone make such a claim. I may still prefer colour, but as it is, I think that if Richard felt that he wasn't able to make them profitable, he knows that better than you. But I never thought that because he called the current series of books "Reader's Collections" and made them in B&W instead, they *stopped* being Graphic Novels. "Reader's Collections" is just what Warp calls their current series of GN's, just like they called the old one "The Complete Elfquest". At least that was my impression. Yngvar ###### Reply-To: "Taemon" From: "Taemon" Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.elfquest References: <6uadv9zybx.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <20020119193001.06658.00000698@mb-fi.aol.com> <3C4AEFF0.8D4CE680@worldnet.att.net> <200120021221567769%rpini@elfquest.com> Subject: Re: Seems like WaRP was ahead of their time Lines: 10 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <9KG28.9399$Zy1.21213@zonnet-reader-1> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:07:22 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.59.13.2 X-Complaints-To: abuse@zonnet.nl X-Trace: zonnet-reader-1 1011562501 62.59.13.2 (Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:35:01 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:35:01 MET Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!easynet-monga!easynet-melon!easynet.net!trev!zonnet-feed!zonnet-reader-1.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.comics.elfquest:118 Richard Pini wrote: >Scare up a mere 2000 people guaranteed to purchase every volume, and >let's talk. One. Greetings, T. ###### From: "RoboRay" <4ray@bigfeet.com> Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.elfquest References: <6uadv9zybx.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <20020119193001.06658.00000698@mb-fi.aol.com> <3C4AEFF0.8D4CE680@worldnet.att.net> <200120021221567769%rpini@elfquest.com> Subject: Re: Seems like WaRP was ahead of their time Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:27:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.161.151.78 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.hawaii.rr.com 1011558449 24.161.151.78 (Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:27:29 HST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:27:29 HST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.socal.rr.com!cyclone.hawaii.rr.com!post.hawaii.rr.com!typhoon.hawaii.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.comics.elfquest:120 It's been a few years since I read EQ, but I've been gathering the RC books to enjoy it again. I've still got all the older color hardbacks you produced, and dearly wish I could get the whole series in that high quality of publication. Would you consider putting a poll (with measures to prevent ballot-stuffing, of course) on the EQ website to gauge interest? You'd probably get a good level of response if you announced it both here and in print. -- --=RoboRay=-- Here are your messages: - You have 20 minutes to move your car. - You have 10 minutes to move your car. - Your car has been impounded. - Your car has been crushed into a cube. - You have 20 minutes to move your cube. "Richard Pini" wrote in message news:200120021221567769%rpini@elfquest.com... > Also, the Reader's Collection volumes *are* graphic novels. Full color, > "low" production run volumes could run $40-$50 each these days, > especially given that that original art and printing films have gone. > Scare up a mere 2000 people guaranteed to purchase every volume, and > let's talk. ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.elfquest Subject: Re: Seems like WaRP was ahead of their time Date: 20 Jan 2002 23:52:05 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 56 Message-ID: <6ulmes4ove.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <6uadv9zybx.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <20020119193001.06658.00000698@mb-fi.aol.com> <3C4AEFF0.8D4CE680@worldnet.att.net> <200120021221567769%rpini@elfquest.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 1011567125 1330 10.0.3.2 (20 Jan 2002 22:52:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jan 2002 22:52:05 GMT Cc: poster X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.comics.elfquest:121 Richard Pini writes: > In article <3C4AEFF0.8D4CE680@worldnet.att.net>, Dreamstalker > wrote: > > > Robyn wrote: > > > > > "Tay-vee" wrote in message > > > news:20020119193001.06658.00000698@mb-fi.aol.com... > > > > Neil said: > > > > > > > > >Would you consider, in addition to the RCs, bringing back the GNs, as > > > > >low volume, higher price, collectors editions? > > Once upon a time, we were all newbies, and B&W was all there was... Sure. For those that want the original look (and do not want the actual original prints). > Full color, > "low" production run volumes could run $40-$50 each these days, > especially given that that original art and printing films have gone. Then sell then at $50. As I said: low volume, higher price, collectors editions. Those readers that are willing to pay more than minimum usually are prepared to pay quite a bit, if they are getting something for it. Just go into an larger book store which is still in the LoTR craze and look at the price range for what is the same story. And one thing that varies the editions is whether the maps are 1 page b&w or multi-page sized foldouts. Side remark: The German translations by Carlson are only available in colour (and different colouring as the english, at least the FTP editions I have 2-4 of, 1 I have as RC). But they lack the original english text :-). > Scare up a mere 2000 people guaranteed to purchase every volume, and > let's talk. "Taemon" wrote: > One. Count me as second. Simply to get an matching set (then give away the existing ones, make another fan). -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Sysadmin, Archer, Roleplayer - Intellectual Property is Intellectual Robbery ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.elfquest Subject: Re: Seems like WaRP was ahead of their time Date: 21 Jan 2002 00:40:35 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 56 Message-ID: <6uhepg4mmk.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <6uadv9zybx.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <20020119193001.06658.00000698@mb-fi.aol.com> <3C4AEFF0.8D4CE680@worldnet.att.net> <200120021221567769%rpini@elfquest.com> <6ulmes4ove.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 1011570035 1580 10.0.3.2 (20 Jan 2002 23:40:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jan 2002 23:40:35 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.comics.elfquest:122 Neil Franklin writes: > Richard Pini writes: > > > "low" production run volumes could run $40-$50 each these days, $50 times 2000 copies gives $100'000 sales volume, less than that for capital outlay (per volume). > > Scare up a mere 2000 people guaranteed to purchase every volume, and > > let's talk. > > "Taemon" wrote: > > > One. > > Count me as second. Simply to get an matching set (then give away > the existing ones, make another fan). Small calculation, just while I am waiting for the backups to finish. Correct me if there is an maths error or wrong assumption anywhere. - My GN#2 and #3 (FTP softcover) say "over 1'000'000" volumes sold (added sticker, not on print plates). And that was shiped a while ago, as it is today (how long?) out of print. - My GN#4 (FTP hardcover) says that the original quest was finished 1984, and I remember (can not recall source) a number of 100'000 readers by then. - My RC#1 gives an price of $20. So that suggests an sales volume of 900'000/volume in about 15 years, so 60'000/volume/year. So that suggests today sales volume to be 60'000*$20 = $1'200'000/volume/year just the books. Add then the other stuff (posters, toys, etc). So an additional low volume colour editon would run at less than 1/12=8.33% of your sales volume. And assuming equal capital/profit ration, also less than 8.33% of capital costs. Conclusion: you may not even need an guarantee of 2000 immediate buyers. Even just making 2000 copies, announcing them on the "Guide" or "Decades in Print" page, and then having them sell (at low volume), may work. Of course asking on the site if there are any buyers may show quite an large pent up demand. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Sysadmin, Archer, Roleplayer - Intellectual Property is Intellectual Robbery ###### From: Yngvar =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=F8lling?= Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.elfquest Subject: Re: Seems like WaRP was ahead of their time Message-ID: References: <6uadv9zybx.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <20020119193001.06658.00000698@mb-fi.aol.com> <3C4AEFF0.8D4CE680@worldnet.att.net> <200120021221567769%rpini@elfquest.com> <6ulmes4ove.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <6uhepg4mmk.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.60 X-Converter: MorVer Version 0.8.307 Lines: 12 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:11:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.216.48.78 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tele2.no X-Trace: juliett.dax.net 1011730294 193.216.48.78 (Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:11:34 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:11:34 MET Organization: Tele2 Norway AS Public Access Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!isdnet!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!dax.net!juliett.dax.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.comics.elfquest:128 In article <6uhepg4mmk.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch>, neil@franklin.ch says... > - My GN#2 and #3 (FTP softcover) say "over 1'000'000" volumes sold (added > sticker, not on print plates). And that was shiped a while ago, as it > is today (how long?) out of print. I may be wrong, but I thought the "over one million sold " mark referred to total number of Elfquest Graphic Novels, not each individual book -- simply because the same mark was on all the books. Yngvar ###### From: Richard Pini Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.elfquest Subject: Re: Seems like WaRP was ahead of their time Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:08:54 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 14 Message-ID: <220120021808548768%rpini@elfquest.com> References: <6uadv9zybx.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <20020119193001.06658.00000698@mb-fi.aol.com> <3C4AEFF0.8D4CE680@worldnet.att.net> <200120021221567769%rpini@elfquest.com> <6ulmes4ove.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <6uhepg4mmk.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: 9e.fc.1f.d1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Server-Date: 22 Jan 2002 23:09:15 GMT Mail-Copies-To: poster User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/5.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!rpini Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.comics.elfquest:130 In article <6uhepg4mmk.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch>, Neil Franklin wrote: (snip) > > > Conclusion: you may not even need an guarantee of 2000 immediate > buyers. Even just making 2000 copies, announcing them on the "Guide" > or "Decades in Print" page, and then having them sell (at low volume), > may work. That may be so. However, the printer is going to want to be paid in full, upon the completion of the work, so there must be a sizable number of guaranteed sales from the start.