From: "Richard Fangnail" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Fan fiction not sold in stores? Date: 24 Feb 2005 09:51:50 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <1109267510.391231.191490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.148.120.137 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1109267514 23242 127.0.0.1 (24 Feb 2005 17:51:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:51:54 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.148.120.137; posting-account=NFmSlg0AAABVkmkOAbo8qkGKne8Dk-2m Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!proxad.net!216.239.36.134.MISMATCH!postnews.google.com!g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:169595 I never see fan fiction based on Tolkien in the stores yet there are Sherlock Holmes stories not by Doyle and James Bond books not by Fleming. Did the Tolkien family just not want fan fiction sold? Of course that's understandable. Has anyone written sequels or prequels worth reading? ###### From: Derek Broughon Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Fan fiction not sold in stores? Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:57:33 -0400 Organization: Pointer Stop Consulting, Inc Lines: 14 Message-ID: <1109271453.24644.42.camel@othello.pointerstop.ca> References: <1109267510.391231.191490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net F+A107wE94P8LYTfcF0hewtoeWNbx46zujHibyiRMuOwGeOZSD X-Orig-Path: othello.pointerstop.ca!news In-Reply-To: <1109267510.391231.191490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.2 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed.ision.net!ision!news-fra1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:169598 On Thu, 2005-24-02 at 09:51 -0800, Richard Fangnail wrote: > I never see fan fiction based on Tolkien in the stores yet there are > Sherlock Holmes stories not by Doyle and James Bond books not by Sherlock Holmes is long out of copyright. > Fleming. Did the Tolkien family just not want fan fiction sold? Of > course that's understandable. Ian Fleming's heirs wanted someone to continue the series, Tolkien's don't -- derek ###### From: "Coder Droid" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <1109267510.391231.191490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1109271453.24644.42.camel@othello.pointerstop.ca> Subject: Re: Fan fiction not sold in stores? Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 20:20:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.113.0.232 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: fe2.texas.rr.com 1109276403 70.113.0.232 (Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:20:03 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:20:03 CST Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!fe2.texas.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:169604 > Ian Fleming's heirs wanted someone to continue the series, Tolkien's > don't And with good reason, imho. --cd ###### Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Fan fiction not sold in stores? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <1109267510.391231.191490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test70 (17 January 1999) From: sbjensen@midway.uchicago.edu (Steuard Jensen) Lines: 24 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.135.12.7 X-Trace: news.uchicago.edu 1109276894 128.135.12.7 (Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:28:14 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:28:14 CST Organization: The University of Chicago X-SessionID: yNqTd-13464-25-3515@news.uchicago.edu X-Hash-Info: post-filter,v:1.4 X-Hash: 5eb73ea9 8737d84a ee20919b a5ee20b3 095d5f3a Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 20:28:14 GMT Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!proxad.net!64.233.160.134.MISMATCH!postnews.google.com!news3.google.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.uchicago.edu!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:169607 Quoth "Richard Fangnail" in article <1109267510.391231.191490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: > I never see fan fiction based on Tolkien in the stores yet there are > Sherlock Holmes stories not by Doyle and James Bond books not by > Fleming. Did the Tolkien family just not want fan fiction sold? I think that's pretty much the story. And as far as I can tell, it's not out of line with Tolkien's own wishes. > Has anyone written sequels or prequels worth reading? The short answer is probably "no" (unless Tolkien himself counts: I don't know how many of his books about Middle-earth you've read). At the very least, any such work is probably violating copyright at this point. There are a handful of "serious" fan-fiction works out on the internet, which I've never looked for or read; I haven't heard that they're particularly good. And I've heard that there's a veritable industry of published Tolkien spin-offs and Tolkien spin-off spin-offs in Russia, but then, they don't seem to be too concerned with Western copyright law over there. Again, I have no idea how good they are, but I would be pretty dubious (just look at how bad fantasy can be when it's only _mostly_ derivative of Tolkien!). Steuard Jensen ###### From: "Mister Sharkey" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Fan fiction not sold in stores? Date: 24 Feb 2005 18:32:21 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: <1109298741.252730.21580@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1109267510.391231.191490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 132.160.235.58 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1109298745 8494 127.0.0.1 (25 Feb 2005 02:32:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 02:32:25 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=132.160.235.58; posting-account=qdlQhQsAAAC83awUfPKSUWZ8tFrMxzOS Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!newsfeed.vmunix.org!grolier!usenet-fr.net!proxad.net!216.239.36.134.MISMATCH!postnews.google.com!g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:169633 Richard Fangnail wrote: > I never see fan fiction based on Tolkien in the stores yet there are > Sherlock Holmes stories not by Doyle and James Bond books not by > Fleming. Did the Tolkien family just not want fan fiction sold? Of > course that's understandable. > > Has anyone written sequels or prequels worth reading? I don't care for them myself, but you might try Dennis McKiernan's Mithgar novels: The Dark Tide, Shadows of Doom, The Darkest Day, etc. As I heard it, McKiernan wanted to write Middle Earth stories, but the Tolkien estate refused permission. So he changed a few names and went ahead anyway. He's published quite a few, so apparently there are lots of readers who like them. ###### From: "Christopher Kreuzer" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <1109267510.391231.191490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <111t10gajkkus65@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Fan fiction not sold in stores? Lines: 63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: <2NATd.23028$8B3.2176@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 07:50:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.43.125.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@blueyonder.co.uk X-Trace: text.news.blueyonder.co.uk 1109317822 82.43.125.23 (Fri, 25 Feb 2005 07:50:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 07:50:22 GMT Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.stueberl.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk!blueyonder!pe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk!blueyonder!text.news.blueyonder.co.uk!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:169652 aelfwina wrote: > I am aware that I am opening a can of worms here. I am in a very > small minority (possibly a minority of one) of folk on this newsgroup > who appreciates fanfic. I sometimes appreciate it, but haven't read much. I tend to avoid stories set at the time of the War of the Ring, or involving the main characters, as (more so than a film) I find the possibility of the stories merging in my head to be a terrifyingly awful prospect. Stories set before or after the WotR tend to be OK for me. > You will never find any *published* fanfic, such as the Sherlock > Holmes or Star Trek books, the Tolkien Estate holds tightly to the > rights to any money to be made. > > But for some, it is a labor of love. If you care to dabble, here are > the links to some stories by various authors that I consider of high > quality: Thanks for the links. > I Return > > http://www.storiesofarda.com/chapterlistview.asp?SID=1162 I stopped reading this, as it was getting too much into the mind of Legolas for my taste. I appreciate the craft of writing such things, but even with such a relatively minor character I prefer Tolkien's brief brushstrokes to a deep and detailed characterisation. > A Path With No Returning > > http://www.storiesofarda.com/chapterlistview.asp?SID=1794 > > The Green Knight > > http://www.storiesofarda.com/chapterlistview.asp?SID=686 These two looked interesting for me, being set respectively before and after the War of the Ring. > I am also aware of the thousands of stories out there that are dross. > It's worth it, in my opinion, to find the gems. Thanks for those links. Do you mind if I ask one quick question? It is whether people go on from writing fanfic to writing stories independent of other people's created worlds? Is it a starting point, or an end in itself? Christopher -- --- Reply clue: Saruman welcomes you to Spamgard ###### From: "aelfwina" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Fan fiction not sold in stores? Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:10:57 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <111t10gajkkus65@corp.supernews.com> References: <1109267510.391231.191490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 69 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-08!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:169630 "Richard Fangnail" wrote in message news:1109267510.391231.191490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >I never see fan fiction based on Tolkien in the stores yet there are > Sherlock Holmes stories not by Doyle and James Bond books not by > Fleming. Did the Tolkien family just not want fan fiction sold? Of > course that's understandable. > > Has anyone written sequels or prequels worth reading? I am aware that I am opening a can of worms here. I am in a very small minority (possibly a minority of one) of folk on this newsgroup who appreciates fanfic. You will never find any *published* fanfic, such as the Sherlock Holmes or Star Trek books, the Tolkien Estate holds tightly to the rights to any money to be made. But for some, it is a labor of love. If you care to dabble, here are the links to some stories by various authors that I consider of high quality: I Return http://www.storiesofarda.com/chapterlistview.asp?SID=1162 A Small and Passing Thing http://www.storiesofarda.com/chapterlistview.asp?SID=796 Reckoning http://www.storiesofarda.com/chapterlistview.asp?SID=2705 The Care and Feeding of Hobbits http://www.storiesofarda.com/chapterlistview.asp?SID=221 A Path With No Returning http://www.storiesofarda.com/chapterlistview.asp?SID=1794 The Green Knight http://www.storiesofarda.com/chapterlistview.asp?SID=686 All of them are located on the Stories of Arda archive. If you want to satisfy your curiousity about my own indulgence in fanfic, I have a number of stories archived there as well, under the name of Dreamflower. I know the reasons why I write these stories, and they suit me, so reprimanding me for doing it will not work. I hope that I don't totally disgrace JRRT's vision of Middle-earth. I am also aware of the thousands of stories out there that are dross. It's worth it, in my opinion, to find the gems. Barbara > ###### From: "aelfwina" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Fan fiction not sold in stores? Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:56:42 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <111udaa6lhsuga3@corp.supernews.com> References: <1109267510.391231.191490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <111t10gajkkus65@corp.supernews.com> <2NATd.23028$8B3.2176@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 94 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.stueberl.de!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:169662 "Christopher Kreuzer" wrote in message news:2NATd.23028$8B3.2176@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk... > aelfwina wrote: > > > >> I am aware that I am opening a can of worms here. I am in a very >> small minority (possibly a minority of one) of folk on this newsgroup >> who appreciates fanfic. > > I sometimes appreciate it, but haven't read much. I tend to avoid > stories set at the time of the War of the Ring, or involving the main > characters, as (more so than a film) I find the possibility of the > stories merging in my head to be a terrifyingly awful prospect. > > Stories set before or after the WotR tend to be OK for me. > >> You will never find any *published* fanfic, such as the Sherlock >> Holmes or Star Trek books, the Tolkien Estate holds tightly to the >> rights to any money to be made. >> >> But for some, it is a labor of love. If you care to dabble, here are >> the links to some stories by various authors that I consider of high >> quality: > > Thanks for the links. > >> I Return >> >> http://www.storiesofarda.com/chapterlistview.asp?SID=1162 > > I stopped reading this, as it was getting too much into the mind of > Legolas for my taste. I appreciate the craft of writing such things, but > even with such a relatively minor character I prefer Tolkien's brief > brushstrokes to a deep and detailed characterisation. > > > >> A Path With No Returning >> >> http://www.storiesofarda.com/chapterlistview.asp?SID=1794 >> >> The Green Knight >> >> http://www.storiesofarda.com/chapterlistview.asp?SID=686 > > These two looked interesting for me, being set respectively before and > after the War of the Ring. > > > >> I am also aware of the thousands of stories out there that are dross. >> It's worth it, in my opinion, to find the gems. > > Thanks for those links. Do you mind if I ask one quick question? It is > whether people go on from writing fanfic to writing stories independent > of other people's created worlds? Is it a starting point, or an end in > itself? For a number of fellow writers on my friend's list and message boards, it is a springboard. There are even one or two who are established as writers of original fiction, but use fanfic as a means of relaxation. For myself, I once had an interest years ago in writing original fiction, but the fact is that at this time of my life all I really want to do with it is "wallow in hobbits" LOL! I have ideas about the characters and the world of M-e that I find I can explore best through writing about them. So you could say that for me, and for any number of us they are an end in themselves. You would probably not care for the majority of my stories, for although they are mostly either pre- or post-Quest (though I do have a handful set on the Quest, mostly very short vignettes) they almost all concern the four hobbits. I have long found myself fascinated by the idea of the close relationship between them, in spite of the age differences, and so I like to explore their childhoods and the ways in which they relate to one another. I *do* like stories which attempt to "get inside a character's head" precisely because JRRT did *not*, and so left a fertile field for speculation. I may not always agree with a writer's interpretation, but I find it interesting, nevertheless. Thank you for your interest. Barbara > > Christopher > > -- > --- > Reply clue: Saruman welcomes you to Spamgard > ###### From: "John Jones" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Fan fiction not sold in stores? Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:27:57 -0000 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <1109267510.391231.191490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.137.64.8 X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1109426187 8664 62.137.64.8 (26 Feb 2005 13:56:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Feb 2005 13:56:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in2p3.fr!proxad.net!proxad.net!194.117.148.138.MISMATCH!pe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk!blueyonder!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:169704 "Richard Fangnail" wrote in message news:1109267510.391231.191490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > I never see fan fiction based on Tolkien in the stores yet there are > Sherlock Holmes stories not by Doyle and James Bond books not by > Fleming. Did the Tolkien family just not want fan fiction sold? Of > course that's understandable. > > Has anyone written sequels or prequels worth reading? > The Sherlock Holmes stories are long out of copyright; the JB books were licenced. LotR is still copyright. ###### From: Alexey Romanov Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Fan fiction not sold in stores? Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 01:05:45 +0300 Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <1109267510.391231.191490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net v2x4Xwhsm1MiZApEB3rKJg2qzlA7HybpuvWcGEhE68hOCGiNcg X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:169717 On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 20:28:14 GMT, sbjensen@midway.uchicago.edu (Steuard Jensen) wrote: >Quoth "Richard Fangnail" in article ><1109267510.391231.191490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: >> I never see fan fiction based on Tolkien in the stores yet there are >> Sherlock Holmes stories not by Doyle and James Bond books not by >> Fleming. Did the Tolkien family just not want fan fiction sold? > >I think that's pretty much the story. And as far as I can tell, it's >not out of line with Tolkien's own wishes. > >> Has anyone written sequels or prequels worth reading? > >The short answer is probably "no" (unless Tolkien himself counts: I >don't know how many of his books about Middle-earth you've read). At >the very least, any such work is probably violating copyright at this >point. There are a handful of "serious" fan-fiction works out on the >internet, which I've never looked for or read; I haven't heard that >they're particularly good. And I've heard that there's a veritable >industry of published Tolkien spin-offs and Tolkien spin-off spin-offs >in Russia, but then, they don't seem to be too concerned with Western >copyright law over there. Again, I have no idea how good they are, >but I would be pretty dubious (just look at how bad fantasy can be >when it's only _mostly_ derivative of Tolkien!). > > Steuard Jensen Actually, LOTR is out of copyright in Russia, because the books were published before USSR signe the Berne Convention. ###### From: quuxa23@yahoo.com Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Fan fiction not sold in stores? Date: 28 Feb 2005 11:43:04 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1109619784.073829.222030@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> References: <1109267510.391231.191490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.34.246.37 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1109619788 6800 127.0.0.1 (28 Feb 2005 19:43:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:43:08 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com; posting-host=12.34.246.37; posting-account=6L0NZQwAAACxJiMLYMEqVs65T1Kt7EX1 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!newsfeed.stueberl.de!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:169783 Nevertheless, somehow, Andre Norton wrote two. _The Jewels of Arwen_ and _The Parting of Arwen_, both published 1974. I haven't heard particularly good things about them, but they do exist as examples of published Tolkien fanfic. By an SFWA grandmaster no less. ###### From: "Christopher Kreuzer" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <1109267510.391231.191490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1109619784.073829.222030@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Fan fiction not sold in stores? Lines: 14 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:50:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.43.125.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@blueyonder.co.uk X-Trace: text.news.blueyonder.co.uk 1109620244 82.43.125.23 (Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:50:44 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:50:44 GMT Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!feed.news.schlund.de!schlund.de!news.addix.net!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk!blueyonder!pe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk!blueyonder!text.news.blueyonder.co.uk!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:169784 quuxa23@yahoo.com wrote: > Nevertheless, somehow, Andre Norton wrote two. _The Jewels of > Arwen_ and _The Parting of Arwen_, both published 1974. I haven't > heard particularly good things about them, but they do exist as examples > of published Tolkien fanfic. By an SFWA grandmaster no less. I thought those were by Marion Z. Bradley? http://www.timelineuniverse.com/MiddleEarth/ThePartingofArwen.htm http://www.timelineuniverse.com/MiddleEarth/JewelofArwen.htm ###### From: "quuxa23@yahoo.com" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Fan fiction not sold in stores? Date: 28 Feb 2005 14:02:41 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 17 Message-ID: <1109628161.778831.119080@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1109267510.391231.191490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1109619784.073829.222030@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.242.228.75 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1109628169 17645 127.0.0.1 (28 Feb 2005 22:02:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:02:49 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=205.242.228.75; posting-account=6L0NZQwAAACxJiMLYMEqVs65T1Kt7EX1 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:169803 Christopher Kreuzer wrote: > quuxa23@yahoo.com wrote: > > Nevertheless, somehow, Andre Norton wrote two. _The Jewels of > > Arwen_ and _The Parting of Arwen_, both published 1974. I haven't > > heard particularly good things about them, but they do exist as > examples > > of published Tolkien fanfic. By an SFWA grandmaster no less. > > I thought those were by Marion Z. Bradley? > > http://www.timelineuniverse.com/MiddleEarth/ThePartingofArwen.htm > http://www.timelineuniverse.com/MiddleEarth/JewelofArwen.htm My mistake. That's what I get for trusting the first link on a websearch. ###### From: "Khazar-Khum" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <1109267510.391231.191490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <111t10gajkkus65@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Fan fiction not sold in stores? Lines: 41 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response Message-ID: Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 06:03:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.27.115.162 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: trnddc04 1109657036 4.27.115.162 (Tue, 01 Mar 2005 01:03:56 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 01:03:56 EST Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!trnddc04.POSTED!ea45fe43!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:169827 >> Sherlock Holmes stories not by Doyle and James Bond books not by >> Fleming. Did the Tolkien family just not want fan fiction sold? Of >> course that's understandable. >> >> Has anyone written sequels or prequels worth reading? > I am aware that I am opening a can of worms here. I am in a very small > minority (possibly a minority of one) of folk on this newsgroup who > appreciates fanfic. Hardly! There's quite a bit of garbage out there, as there is in most endeavors. But for some of the better ones, try here: The Mithril Awards http://www.viragene.com/tolkien/finals_2004.html From there you can also link the 2003 winners. My foray into it can be found here: The Cursed Queen of Angmar http://www.geocities.com/khazar_khum/cursed_queen.html Other outstanding locations for fanficiton are: Henneth Annun http://www.henneth-annun.net/ Open Scrolls Archive http://www.scribeoz.com/fanfic/index.php?sid=fad9a31eef71b3bfdcab1801316b883c Tolkien Fan Ficiton http://www.mikekellner.com/Library/Index.html Again, there are all sorts of things at these sites, but at least these attempt to maintain quality. Khazar ###### From: "aelfwina" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Fan fiction not sold in stores? Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:37:06 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1129bhj2onvb441@corp.supernews.com> References: <1109267510.391231.191490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <111t10gajkkus65@corp.supernews.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 52 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!news1.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.stueberl.de!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-08!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:169854 "Khazar-Khum" wrote in message news:gBTUd.70469$uc.20330@trnddc04... > > >>> Sherlock Holmes stories not by Doyle and James Bond books not by >>> Fleming. Did the Tolkien family just not want fan fiction sold? Of >>> course that's understandable. >>> >>> Has anyone written sequels or prequels worth reading? >> I am aware that I am opening a can of worms here. I am in a very small >> minority (possibly a minority of one) of folk on this newsgroup who >> appreciates fanfic. > > Hardly! > > There's quite a bit of garbage out there, as there is in most endeavors. > But for some of the > better ones, try here: > The Mithril Awards > http://www.viragene.com/tolkien/finals_2004.html > > From there you can also link the 2003 winners. > > My foray into it can be found here: > The Cursed Queen of Angmar > http://www.geocities.com/khazar_khum/cursed_queen.html > > Other outstanding locations for fanficiton are: > Henneth Annun > http://www.henneth-annun.net/ > > Open Scrolls Archive > http://www.scribeoz.com/fanfic/index.php?sid=fad9a31eef71b3bfdcab1801316b883c > > Tolkien Fan Ficiton > http://www.mikekellner.com/Library/Index.html > > Again, there are all sorts of things at these sites, but at least these > attempt to maintain quality. Those are all excellent archives, as is my favorite, Stories of Arda. Of course, the less said about fanfiction.net, the better, unless you want to laugh hysterically. And that is just reading the summaries. Barbara > > Khazar >