Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Tolkien's method of writing. From: The Consigliere Organization: Your Company Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.219.221.238 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.219.221.238 Date: 9 Jun 2004 22:58:35 +1000 X-Trace: dnews.tpgi.com.au!tpg.com.au 1086785915 203.219.221.238 (9 Jun 2004 22:58:35 +1000) Lines: 18 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!nntp.gblx.net!nntp3.phx1!dnews.tpgi.com.au!tpg.com.au!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:154769 Much has been made about the fact that Tolkien allowed the story and the characters take him on a journey instead of preplanning the details of the plot. Tom Shippey commented in an interview that Tolkien used do multiple rewrites, so that the process was like 'waves coming up against the shore', and each wave gets progressively closer to the mark but always starting from the beginning. This seems like a very extra-ordinary way of doing things indeed! I was wondering, how much did Tolkien tell us about the way he writes? How vague was his plot lines for Lord of The Rings before he started writing it? How established was the setting (geography cultures, history)? Thank you for you thoughts. TC ###### From: AC Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien's method of writing. Date: 9 Jun 2004 14:54:25 GMT Organization: The Tao of Cow Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: mightymartianca@hotmail.com X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 2wxNcZeRQh9/SwaZMMs/3wxydSSpCiJU+XOmuEK9K+rvv6H8GY User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (CYGWIN_NT-5.0) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:154777 On 9 Jun 2004 22:58:35 +1000, The Consigliere wrote: > Much has been made about the fact that Tolkien allowed the story and the > characters take him on a journey instead of preplanning the details of the > plot. > > Tom Shippey commented in an interview that Tolkien used do multiple > rewrites, so that the process was like 'waves coming up against the shore', > and each wave gets progressively closer to the mark but always starting > from the beginning. > > This seems like a very extra-ordinary way of doing things indeed! > > I was wondering, how much did Tolkien tell us about the way he writes? How > vague was his plot lines for Lord of The Rings before he started writing > it? How established was the setting (geography cultures, history)? > > Thank you for you thoughts. We have better than that, as Christopher Tolkien has published the four-part History of the Lord of the Rings (a part of the HoME series). Some parts of LotR were rewritten numerous times. -- Aaron Clausen mightymartianca@hotmail.com ###### From: the softrat Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien's method of writing. Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 11:01:42 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 28 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newsfeed.news2me.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:154786 On 9 Jun 2004 22:58:35 +1000, The Consigliere wrote: > >I was wondering, how much did Tolkien tell us about the way he writes? Lots: Read HoME. >How vague was his plot lines for Lord of The Rings before he started writing >it? Extremely. He didn't even know the import of the Ring. >How established was the setting (geography cultures, history)? > Not very. He made them up as he went along. Apparently he did have the tales of the Silmarillion and of Numenor, as they then stood, in the back of his mind, but virtually all of the history of the Third Age was created for and during the writing of the LoTR. Again, read HoME. the softrat "Honi soit qui mal y pense." mailto:softrat@pobox.com -- "But why, my dear Crito, should we care about the opinion of the many? Good men, and they are the only persons who are worth considering, will think of these things truly as they happened." -- Socrates to Crito, in "Crito" ###### From: stephen@nomail.com Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien's method of writing. Date: 9 Jun 2004 18:06:00 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 14 Sender: stephen@nomail.com Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pacific.cse.msu.edu X-AUTHid: wagners5 User-Agent: tin/1.4.3-20000502 ("Marian") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.9 (sun4u)) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msunews!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:154788 In rec.arts.books.tolkien The Consigliere wrote: : I was wondering, how much did Tolkien tell us about the way he writes? How : vague was his plot lines for Lord of The Rings before he started writing : it? How established was the setting (geography cultures, history)? The plot line was exceedingly vague. A good portion of book 1 was written before he decided what the Ring really was. The settings and histories of those settings were largely made up as he went along. The only thing that was at all established was the history of the first age, which is only referred to and is not really a part of the story. Stephen ###### From: AC Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien's method of writing. Date: 9 Jun 2004 18:15:36 GMT Organization: The Tao of Cow Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: mightymartianca@hotmail.com X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de JKGGYEXKxZEyEEfRXru0Sgb2wEn3gUJeY6uRi1eiauVgeySYl6 User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (CYGWIN_NT-5.0) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.stueberl.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:154790 On 9 Jun 2004 18:06:00 GMT, stephen@nomail.com wrote: > In rec.arts.books.tolkien The Consigliere wrote: > >: I was wondering, how much did Tolkien tell us about the way he writes? How >: vague was his plot lines for Lord of The Rings before he started writing >: it? How established was the setting (geography cultures, history)? > > The plot line was exceedingly vague. A good portion of book 1 was > written before he decided what the Ring really was. The settings > and histories of those settings were largely made up as he went along. > The only thing that was at all established was the history of the first > age, which is only referred to and is not really a part of the > story. The basic idea of Numenor already existed, so there was some idea of the Second Age. -- Aaron Clausen mightymartianca@hotmail.com ###### From: "Christopher Kreuzer" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien References: Subject: Re: Tolkien's method of writing. Lines: 18 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:21:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.43.162.58 X-Complaints-To: abuse@blueyonder.co.uk X-Trace: news-text.cableinet.net 1086819668 82.43.162.58 (Wed, 09 Jun 2004 23:21:08 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 23:21:08 BST Organization: blueyonder (post doesn't reflect views of blueyonder) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newsrout1.ntli.net!news-in.ntli.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!news-text.cableinet.net!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:154819 the softrat wrote: > On 9 Jun 2004 22:58:35 +1000, The Consigliere > wrote: >> How established was the setting (geography cultures, history)? >> > Not very. He made them up as he went along. Was the map already drawn, or was that also made up as he went along. I seem to vaguely remember a Letter that talked about the story not fitting the map. Christopher -- --- Reply clue: Saruman welcomes you to Spamgard ###### Message-ID: <40C78EFF.5F72BB02@sbcglobal.net> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 17:28:15 -0500 From: Larry Swain X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-CCK-MCD AIT DSL (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien's method of writing. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 X-Trace: DXC=Ue2HGaS[^DnBC39a`:W@Lg0R]m=BkYWIg:6bU3OT9S9jPoH8fok7h^`L^Uml@X2GCiYSX_N0MCZ8l X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in2p3.fr!proxad.net!news.cs.univ-paris8.fr!newsfeed.vmunix.org!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!rcn!feed3.news.rcn.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:154821 I believe that the map is credited to Christopher, mostly, and he drew parts of it at different times Christopher Kreuzer wrote: > the softrat wrote: > > On 9 Jun 2004 22:58:35 +1000, The Consigliere > > wrote: > > >> How established was the setting (geography cultures, history)? > >> > > Not very. He made them up as he went along. > > Was the map already drawn, or was that also made up as he went along. I > seem to vaguely remember a Letter that talked about the story not > fitting the map. > > Christopher > > -- > --- > Reply clue: Saruman welcomes you to Spamgard ###### From: Chris Kern Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien's method of writing. Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:32:15 +0900 Organization: http://newsguy.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-382.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.glorb.com!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news3 Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:154825 On 9 Jun 2004 22:58:35 +1000, The Consigliere posted the following: >I was wondering, how much did Tolkien tell us about the way he writes? How >vague was his plot lines for Lord of The Rings before he started writing >it? How established was the setting (geography cultures, history)? One of the reasons that Book I moves slowly in the beginning and seems uncertain of direction is because it *was* -- Tolkien had no idea where the story was going when he wrote the Old Forest, Tom Bombadil, and the Barrow Wights. You get the impression reading the drafts that all those chapters were just delaying tactics until he could think of the real story. -Chris ###### From: stephen@nomail.com Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien's method of writing. Date: 9 Jun 2004 22:46:53 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 20 Sender: stephen@nomail.com Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pacific.cse.msu.edu X-AUTHid: wagners5 User-Agent: tin/1.4.3-20000502 ("Marian") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.9 (sun4u)) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.stueberl.de!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msunews!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:154823 In rec.arts.books.tolkien Christopher Kreuzer wrote: : the softrat wrote: :> On 9 Jun 2004 22:58:35 +1000, The Consigliere :> wrote: :>> How established was the setting (geography cultures, history)? :>> :> Not very. He made them up as he went along. : Was the map already drawn, or was that also made up as he went along. I : seem to vaguely remember a Letter that talked about the story not : fitting the map. : Christopher The maps were made up as he went along. He started with the Hobbit Map, and added to them as the story evolved. HoME VII has a discussion of the evolution of the map. Stephen ###### From: stephen@nomail.com Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien's method of writing. Date: 9 Jun 2004 22:49:33 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 26 Sender: stephen@nomail.com Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pacific.cse.msu.edu X-AUTHid: wagners5 User-Agent: tin/1.4.3-20000502 ("Marian") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.9 (sun4u)) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msunews!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:154824 In rec.arts.books.tolkien AC wrote: : On 9 Jun 2004 18:06:00 GMT, : stephen@nomail.com wrote: :> In rec.arts.books.tolkien The Consigliere wrote: :> :>: I was wondering, how much did Tolkien tell us about the way he writes? How :>: vague was his plot lines for Lord of The Rings before he started writing :>: it? How established was the setting (geography cultures, history)? :> :> The plot line was exceedingly vague. A good portion of book 1 was :> written before he decided what the Ring really was. The settings :> and histories of those settings were largely made up as he went along. :> The only thing that was at all established was the history of the first :> age, which is only referred to and is not really a part of the :> story. : The basic idea of Numenor already existed, so there was some idea of the : Second Age. Yeah, I forgot to mention that one. The basic idea of Numenor already existed as did the basic idea of the Last Alliance. However the Rings did not exist, and Gondor and Arnor did not exist, and the whole "Numenorean" aspect of LoTR regarding the return of the King was a relatively late development in the plot. Stephen ###### From: maplethorpe@catholic.org (Jake Maplethorpe Jnr) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien's method of writing. Date: 9 Jun 2004 21:53:19 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.96.120.254 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1086843199 3342 127.0.0.1 (10 Jun 2004 04:53:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 04:53:19 +0000 (UTC) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!tiscali!newsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!proxad.net!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:154835 The Consigliere wrote in message news:... > Much has been made about the fact that Tolkien allowed the story and the > characters take him on a journey instead of preplanning the details of the > plot. > > Tom Shippey commented in an interview that Tolkien used do multiple > rewrites, so that the process was like 'waves coming up against the shore', > and each wave gets progressively closer to the mark but always starting > from the beginning. > > This seems like a very extra-ordinary way of doing things indeed! > > I was wondering, how much did Tolkien tell us about the way he writes? How > vague was his plot lines for Lord of The Rings before he started writing > it? How established was the setting (geography cultures, history)? I read somewhere that Tolkien was high on marijuana when he wrote his over-rated semi-plagiarised books. Jake ###### From: AC Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien's method of writing. Date: 10 Jun 2004 04:56:45 GMT Organization: The Tao of Cow Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: mightymartianca@hotmail.com X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de ut2lPYS1gXxuzjyDyzIBkA68YRFBAoAO2SNsOGiHDlCuREZRNt User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (CYGWIN_NT-5.0) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.stueberl.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:154836 On 9 Jun 2004 21:53:19 -0700, Jake Maplethorpe Jnr wrote: > The Consigliere wrote in message news:... >> Much has been made about the fact that Tolkien allowed the story and the >> characters take him on a journey instead of preplanning the details of the >> plot. >> >> Tom Shippey commented in an interview that Tolkien used do multiple >> rewrites, so that the process was like 'waves coming up against the shore', >> and each wave gets progressively closer to the mark but always starting >> from the beginning. >> >> This seems like a very extra-ordinary way of doing things indeed! >> >> I was wondering, how much did Tolkien tell us about the way he writes? How >> vague was his plot lines for Lord of The Rings before he started writing >> it? How established was the setting (geography cultures, history)? > > I read somewhere that Tolkien was high on marijuana when he wrote his > over-rated semi-plagiarised books. I read somewhere that you skipped out of school and wore your mother's best underwear. -- Aaron Clausen mightymartianca@hotmail.com ###### Reply-To: "Paul Lawler" From: "Paul Lawler" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien References: Subject: Re: Tolkien's method of writing. 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But of course you provide no evidence whatsoever for your claims. However, this is nothing new for you. ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:32:30 -0500 From: Tar-Elenion Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien's method of writing. 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How > > vague was his plot lines for Lord of The Rings before he started writing > > it? How established was the setting (geography cultures, history)? > > I read somewhere that Tolkien was high on marijuana when he wrote his > over-rated semi-plagiarised books. > Isn't it past your bedtime junior? If you are not careful mommy and daddy might take away your computer privileges. Now run along like a good boy and go to sleep. -- Tar-Elenion He is a warrior, and a spirit of wrath. In every stroke that he deals he sees the Enemy who long ago did thee this hurt. ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:16:30 -0500 From: "The American" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien References: Subject: Re: Tolkien's method of writing. Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:16:30 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Message-ID: Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.203.74.66 X-Trace: sv3-GxcIUnH25bfk4WTnxsOYKs5bpPj5nfqT7uVZpBsPrTyfFEDFHasUokAv1wj5jjIGIRXrt3/HVjwuJgI!4o+uKCKjXQYZ7VvrG3USPVuJrJKvXXCeJl4/g67wbJrSeW/LW5W540/0+tuRxoBi4biLx+ivcb8L!tJGE7A== X-Complaints-To: abuse@conversent.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@conversent.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!tiscali!newsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!216.196.98.140.MISMATCH!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.conversent.net!news.conversent.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:154861 "AC" wrote in message news:slrnccfqgc.2t0.mightymartianca@alder.alberni.net... > On 9 Jun 2004 21:53:19 -0700, > Jake Maplethorpe Jnr wrote: > > > > I read somewhere that Tolkien was high on marijuana when he wrote his > > over-rated semi-plagiarised books. > > I read somewhere that you skipped out of school and wore your mother's best > underwear. > Oh, come on, who hasn't done that? I mean really. Oh, um.... what?...no wait...I was just...... :o) T.A. ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:23:13 -0500 From: "The American" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien References: Subject: Re: Tolkien's method of writing. Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:23:13 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Message-ID: Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.203.74.66 X-Trace: sv3-lmmN0PzGBAwe0zM76sU7/pPSpvurbuYOIccJMsOEbfEb+ePCiN0BNFWUkAdsyYhoAjCv+vs0M2VthRg!WAQ03vXW80PReIDFKd1zZhHeoXRa26ewmekUtbCQ6o33MWUb3Lzi9H3HKP7sL4WH3bpm6FyyiVAa!IdeDJA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@conversent.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@conversent.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.stueberl.de!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.conversent.net!news.conversent.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:154862 "AC" wrote in message news:slrnccfqgc.2t0.mightymartianca@alder.alberni.net... > On 9 Jun 2004 21:53:19 -0700, > Jake Maplethorpe Jnr wrote: > > > > I read somewhere that Tolkien was high on marijuana when he wrote his > > over-rated semi-plagiarised books. > > I read somewhere that you skipped out of school and wore your mother's best > underwear. > AC, didn't what happen at the Abu Ghraib prison teach you anything! Men wearing woman's underwear isn't funny. It's *TORTURE*! Now please apologize to the world. Thanks. T.A. ###### From: yzetta@yahoo.com (zett) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien's method of writing. Date: 10 Jun 2004 18:10:43 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4bb40450.0406101710.5a08667a@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.43.11.166 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1086916243 29572 127.0.0.1 (11 Jun 2004 01:10:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 01:10:43 +0000 (UTC) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.telebyte.nl!proxad.net!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:154901 maplethorpe@catholic.org (Jake Maplethorpe Jnr) wrote in message news:... > > I read somewhere that Tolkien was high on marijuana when he wrote his > over-rated semi-plagiarised books. > > Jake May the sun shine brightly on you, Jake. ###### From: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (Steve Hayes) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien's method of writing. Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 03:06:19 GMT Organization: The South African Internet Exchange Lines: 13 Message-ID: <40c8a43f.172817248@news.saix.net> References: Reply-To: hayesmstw@hotmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: tpr-ip-nas-1-p394.telkom-ipnet.co.za X-Trace: ctb-nnrp2.saix.net 1086923264 4663 155.239.185.138 (11 Jun 2004 03:07:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@saix.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jun 2004 03:07:44 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!news-out2.kabelfoon.nl!83.128.0.10.MISMATCH!newsfeed.kabelfoon.nl!zen.net.uk!demorgan.zen.co.uk!194.72.9.35.MISMATCH!news-peer1!news-peer0-test!btnet!ctb-nntp1.saix.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:154905 On 9 Jun 2004 21:53:19 -0700, maplethorpe@catholic.org (Jake Maplethorpe Jnr) wrote: >I read somewhere that Tolkien was high on marijuana when he wrote his >over-rated semi-plagiarised books. And no doubt you dreamed you killed a vampire in your Maidenfiorm bra. -- Steve Hayes E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com Web: http://www.geocities.com/hayesstw/stevesig.htm http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/books.htm ###### From: maplethorpe@catholic.org (Jake Maplethorpe Jnr) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien's method of writing. Date: 10 Jun 2004 23:36:20 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <4bb40450.0406101710.5a08667a@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.96.120.254 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1086935780 19976 127.0.0.1 (11 Jun 2004 06:36:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 06:36:20 +0000 (UTC) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in2p3.fr!proxad.net!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:154909 yzetta@yahoo.com (zett) wrote in message news:<4bb40450.0406101710.5a08667a@posting.google.com>... > maplethorpe@catholic.org (Jake Maplethorpe Jnr) wrote in message news:... > > > > I read somewhere that Tolkien was high on marijuana when he wrote his > > over-rated semi-plagiarised books. > > > > Jake > > May the sun shine brightly on you, Jake. ... and you too my son. Jake ###### From: "Jette Goldie" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien References: Subject: Re: Tolkien's method of writing. Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 21:24:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.41.77.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@blueyonder.co.uk X-Trace: news-text.cableinet.net 1087161864 82.41.77.35 (Sun, 13 Jun 2004 22:24:24 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 22:24:24 BST Organization: blueyonder (post doesn't reflect views of blueyonder) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!proxad.net!proxad.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!news-text.cableinet.net!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:155024 "The American" wrote in message news:BOadnTLuq5JM81XdRVn-gw@conversent.net... > > "AC" wrote in message > news:slrnccfqgc.2t0.mightymartianca@alder.alberni.net... > > On 9 Jun 2004 21:53:19 -0700, > > Jake Maplethorpe Jnr wrote: > > > > > > I read somewhere that Tolkien was high on marijuana when he wrote his > > > over-rated semi-plagiarised books. > > > > I read somewhere that you skipped out of school and wore your mother's > best > > underwear. > > > > AC, didn't what happen at the Abu Ghraib prison teach you anything! > Men wearing woman's underwear isn't funny. > It's *TORTURE*! > Depends on whether they wanted to or not. For some *not* wearing women's underwear might be torture. -- Jette "Work for Peace and remain Fiercely Loving" - Jim Byrnes jette@blueyonder.co.uk http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ ###### From: Een Wilde Ier Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien's method of writing. Date: 13 Jun 2004 22:11:43 GMT Organization: Lines: 66 Message-ID: <20040613231142853+0100@News.Individual.NET> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-16BE" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de BFVuuxf5r2nBnTktoJSPcgTJ48RQpXIicmoPwiwG3SWZoyGEE6 User-Agent: Halime (MacOSX)/1.0rc2b Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:155029 $-1¸ª¸ª¸ª¸ª¸ª¸ª¸ª¸ª¸ª¸ª¸ª¸ª¸ª¸ª¸ª¸ª¸ª¸ª¸ª¸ª¸ª¸ª¸ª¸ª¸ª¸ª¸ª¸ª¸ª¸ª¸ª¸ª ###### From: Een Wilde Ier Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien's method of writing. Date: 13 Jun 2004 22:19:30 GMT Organization: Lines: 34 Message-ID: <20040613231930634+0100@News.Individual.NET> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de sH8sMCKjxVKtWE6YzFZKUAGb8YyeDY2S6M+t3SGtogc4hp124C User-Agent: Halime (MacOSX)/1.0rc2b Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:155030 I Jette Goldie a scríobh: > > "The American" > wrote in message news:BOadnTLuq5JM81XdRVn-gw@conversent.net... >> >> "AC" wrote in message >> news:slrnccfqgc.2t0.mightymartianca@alder.alberni.net... >> > On 9 Jun 2004 21:53:19 -0700, >> > Jake Maplethorpe Jnr wrote: >> > > >> > > I read somewhere that Tolkien was high on marijuana when he wrote >> > > his over-rated semi-plagiarised books. >> > >> > I read somewhere that you skipped out of school and wore your >> > mother's >> best >> > underwear. >> > >> >> AC, didn't what happen at the Abu Ghraib prison teach you anything! >> Men wearing woman's underwear isn't funny. >> It's *TORTURE*! >> > > > Depends on whether they wanted to or not. For some > *not* wearing women's underwear might be torture. Do tell? ;-) -- Q: What's the difference between Reagan and Thatcher? A: Hopefully about two weeks! ###### From: heldenib@hotmail.com (Henriette) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien's method of writing. Date: 14 Jun 2004 04:00:48 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <20040613231930634+0100@News.Individual.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.163.45.179 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1087210849 16757 127.0.0.1 (14 Jun 2004 11:00:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:00:49 +0000 (UTC) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer1.stngva01.us.to.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.glorb.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:155058 Een Wilde Ier wrote in message news:<20040613231930634+0100@News.Individual.NET>... > I Jette Goldie a > scríobh: > > > > Depends on whether they wanted to or not. For some > > *not* wearing women's underwear might be torture. > > Do tell? ;-) Wilde Ier, is this line your contribution to AFT for the month of June? Henriette ###### Lines: 43 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: hopeandfaith2001@aol.com (Hope) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Date: 14 Jun 2004 11:27:35 GMT References: <20040613231930634+0100@News.Individual.NET> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: Re: Tolkien's method of writing. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20040614072735.04256.00000856@mb-m25.aol.com> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!feeder1.essentkabel.com!216.196.98.140.MISMATCH!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:155059 >Subject: Re: Tolkien's method of writing. >From: Een Wilde Ier theusual@hotmail.com >Date: 13/06/2004 23:19 GMT Daylight Time >Message-id: <20040613231930634+0100@News.Individual.NET> > >I Jette Goldie a >scríobh: >> >> "The American" >> wrote in message news:BOadnTLuq5JM81XdRVn-gw@conversent.net... >>> >>> "AC" wrote in message >>> news:slrnccfqgc.2t0.mightymartianca@alder.alberni.net... >>> > On 9 Jun 2004 21:53:19 -0700, >>> > Jake Maplethorpe Jnr wrote: >>> > > >>> > > I read somewhere that Tolkien was high on marijuana when he wrote >>> > > his over-rated semi-plagiarised books. >>> > >>> > I read somewhere that you skipped out of school and wore your >>> > mother's >>> best >>> > underwear. >>> > >>> >>> AC, didn't what happen at the Abu Ghraib prison teach you anything! >>> Men wearing woman's underwear isn't funny. >>> It's *TORTURE*! >>> >> >> >> Depends on whether they wanted to or not. For some >> *not* wearing women's underwear might be torture. > >Do tell? ;-) www.fictionmania.com trust me, it's not for the faint hearted or easily offended. Actually, some of it's not for the strong hearted and not easily offended either. Just don't look on a full stomach. >-- >Q: What's the difference between Reagan and Thatcher? >A: Hopefully about two weeks! ROFL!! Many a true word spoken in jest:o) ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:48:37 -0500 From: "The American" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien References: Subject: Re: Tolkien's method of writing. Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 08:48:37 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Message-ID: Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.203.74.66 X-Trace: sv3-m95UQ8O53BnOSpeZ9yTZf1xprsNNxZK4smIp0M5bbUJ0bJ3al/YYHNNpSqCnbc4ZFSh8wZfWdaUR68x!zr6ZOlFKVm6BgfgXl6tzINUbvR3ongxRAvCadnY8D+zakf68Nkb1P9KEsN6C0yNMs8K2lqTZcIOV!dzOztA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@conversent.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@conversent.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.conversent.net!news.conversent.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:155062 "Jette Goldie" wrote in message news:cC3zc.3717$RB7.31680558@news-text.cableinet.net... > > "The American" wrote > in message news:BOadnTLuq5JM81XdRVn-gw@conversent.net... > > > > "AC" wrote in message > > news:slrnccfqgc.2t0.mightymartianca@alder.alberni.net... > > > On 9 Jun 2004 21:53:19 -0700, > > > Jake Maplethorpe Jnr wrote: > > > > > > > > I read somewhere that Tolkien was high on marijuana when he wrote his > > > > over-rated semi-plagiarised books. > > > > > > I read somewhere that you skipped out of school and wore your mother's > > best > > > underwear. > > > > > > > AC, didn't what happen at the Abu Ghraib prison teach you anything! > > Men wearing woman's underwear isn't funny. > > It's *TORTURE*! > > > > > Depends on whether they wanted to or not. For some > *not* wearing women's underwear might be torture. > > > Lumberjacks? :o) T.A. ###### From: Een Wilde Ier Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien's method of writing. Date: 22 Jun 2004 19:25:29 GMT Organization: Lines: 53 Message-ID: <20040622202528735+0100@News.Individual.NET> References: <20040613231930634+0100@News.Individual.NET> <20040614072735.04256.00000856@mb-m25.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de qPz+x2+ADIk8HD1Z499UMwkxwQhil4pGc0AOkbwhgPfruY5Fea User-Agent: Halime (MacOSX)/1.0rc2b Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!newsfeed.vmunix.org!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:156024 I <20040614072735.04256.00000856@mb-m25.aol.com> Hope a scríobh: >>Subject: Re: Tolkien's method of writing. >>From: Een Wilde Ier theusual@hotmail.com >>Date: 13/06/2004 23:19 GMT Daylight Time >>Message-id: <20040613231930634+0100@News.Individual.NET> >> >>I Jette Goldie a >>scríobh: >>> >>> "The American" >> com> wrote in message news:BOadnTLuq5JM81XdRVn-gw@conversent.net... >>>> >>>> "AC" wrote in message >>>> news:slrnccfqgc.2t0.mightymartianca@alder.alberni.net... >>>> > On 9 Jun 2004 21:53:19 -0700, >>>> > Jake Maplethorpe Jnr wrote: >>>> > > >>>> > > I read somewhere that Tolkien was high on marijuana when he >>>> > > wrote his over-rated semi-plagiarised books. >>>> > >>>> > I read somewhere that you skipped out of school and wore your >>>> > mother's >>>> best >>>> > underwear. >>>> > >>>> >>>> AC, didn't what happen at the Abu Ghraib prison teach you anything! >>>> Men wearing woman's underwear isn't funny. >>>> It's *TORTURE*! >>>> >>> >>> >>> Depends on whether they wanted to or not. For some >>> *not* wearing women's underwear might be torture. >> >>Do tell? ;-) > www.fictionmania.com trust me, it's not for the faint hearted or > easily offended. Actually, some of it's not for the strong hearted > and not easily offended either. Just don't look on a full stomach. Lordy! I actually met an Italian girl recently at a party (friend-of- friends, interesting girl, but more than a little strange) who likes this in her men... (p.s. there are some things that are *not* worth doing, no matter how fine a woman may be) >>Q: What's the difference between Reagan and Thatcher? >>A: Hopefully about two weeks! > > ROFL!! Many a true word spoken in jest:o) Still counting :-/ ###### From: Een Wilde Ier Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien's method of writing. Date: 22 Jun 2004 19:28:28 GMT Organization: Lines: 20 Message-ID: <20040622202828493+0100@News.Individual.NET> References: <20040613231930634+0100@News.Individual.NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de dFGU+uqfBonsZotHOidVuQTK0YKtXKTZBpNqiwWbcH4spSszqI User-Agent: Halime (MacOSX)/1.0rc2b Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.bme.hu!newsfeed.iif.hu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:156026 I Henriette a scríobh: > Een Wilde Ier wrote in message news: > <20040613231930634+0100@News.Individual.NET>... >> I Jette Goldie a >> scríobh: >> > >> > Depends on whether they wanted to or not. For some >> > *not* wearing women's underwear might be torture. >> >> Do tell? ;-) > > Wilde Ier, is this line your contribution to AFT for the month of June? Along with this and one or two others, yes ;-) I am "up to my eyeballs in work", between the job and transferring everything to a different computer... (p.s. anyone out there care to guess as to why Firefox and Thunderbird might be throwing up garbage character encoding in dialogs under OS X 10. 3?) ###### From: Huan the hound Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien's method of writing. Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 12:17:46 +0800 Organization: Mediocre; I could really use a filing cabinet around here. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <2jsirqF15dmt2U1@uni-berlin.de> References: <20040613231930634+0100@News.Individual.NET> <20040622202828493+0100@News.Individual.NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de rS90llqSvVFqCbVS1cxqEQH7/qNJG5SPsLBTi7EpB0igpZ5Su9 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Macintosh/20040208) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: <20040622202828493+0100@News.Individual.NET> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news1.uni-leipzig.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:156149 Een Wilde Ier posted on 6/23/04 3:28 AM: [snip] > (p.s. anyone out there care to guess as to why Firefox and > Thunderbird might be throwing up garbage character encoding in > dialogs under OS X 10. > 3?) No, I haven't seen that, but I recommend that you use Thunderbird 0.5 rather than the latest one. I wanted to alter my settings for which newsgroups and IMAP folders to download for working offline, but the dialog in 0.6 was broken (no check-boxes!). So I reinstalled 0.5. 0.6 also kept giving me messages that my Inbox was busy, and after I clicked ok, the contents would disappear! Fortunately they weren't really gone, though. YMMV! -- Therefore he sent a wolf to the bridge. But Huan slew it silently. Still Sauron sent others one by one; and one by one Huan took them by the throat and slew them. ###### Message-ID: <40DC3F03.2FA33B77@yahoo-dot.ca> From: Odysseus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,en-GB,fr-CA,fr,fr-FR,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien's method of writing. References: <20040613231930634+0100@News.Individual.NET> <20040622202828493+0100@News.Individual.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:03:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.166.217.170 X-Trace: clgrps12 1088175834 198.166.217.170 (Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:03:54 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:03:54 MDT Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!newsfeed.telus.net!clgrps12.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:156564 Een Wilde Ier wrote: > > (p.s. anyone out there care to guess as to why Firefox and Thunderbird > might be throwing up garbage character encoding in dialogs under OS X 10. > 3?) Could be corrupt font caches; this seems to happen fairly often. There's a little free program called "Font Cache Cleaner" (sorry, I don't have a URL handy) that deletes the cache files so the system can regenerate them. -- Odysseus