From: "John J." Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Roundtrip mileage Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 06:10:09 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <10au9o511jevf2@corp.supernews.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 4 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in2p3.fr!nnx.oleane.net!oleane!newsfeed.online.be!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:151624 Has anyone ever made an estimate of the total number of miles covered by Frodo and Sam on their trip to Mount Doom and back to Hobbiton? ###### From: "Neil Anderson" Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <10au9o511jevf2@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Roundtrip mileage Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 13:49:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.249.38.253 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 1085233769 216.249.38.253 (Sat, 22 May 2004 09:49:29 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 09:49:29 EDT Organization: Northrock Communications (northrock.bm) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.glorb.com!news-feed01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.giganews.com.MISMATCH!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsread.com!newsstand.newsread.com!POSTED.newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:151638 "John J." wrote in message news:10au9o511jevf2@corp.supernews.com... > Has anyone ever made an estimate of the total number of miles covered by > Frodo and Sam on their trip to Mount Doom and back to Hobbiton? > > There may well be some information in either "The Journeys of Frodo" by barbar Strachey or "The Atlas of Middle-earth" by Karen Wynn Fonstad. Unfortunately, I have neither to hand. Neil Anderson ###### From: gmoritz@worldnet.att.net (Greg Moritz) Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Roundtrip mileage Date: 22 May 2004 13:30:35 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 44 Message-ID: <9296ce7.0405221230.393b2f7c@posting.google.com> References: <10au9o511jevf2@corp.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.100.204.175 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1085257836 16230 127.0.0.1 (22 May 2004 20:30:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 20:30:36 +0000 (UTC) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed.nextoneserver.com!news.newsland.it!news.glorb.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:151678 "Neil Anderson" wrote : > > Has anyone ever made an estimate of the total number of > > miles covered by Frodo and Sam on their trip to Mount > > Doom and back to Hobbiton? > "John J." responded : > > > There may well be some information in either "The Journeys of > Frodo" by barbar Strachey or "The Atlas of Middle-earth" > by Karen Wynn Fonstad. > > Unfortunately, I have neither to hand. I do: miles / km --------------- Bag End to Rivendell 430 / 692 Rivendell to Lorien 465 / 748 Lorien to the Breaking of the Fellowship 387 / 623 Breaking of the Fellowship to Mt Doom 466 / 750 --------------- Total 1,748 / 2,813 For some perspective on that, it is about 1,820 miles from the center of Los Angeles to the center of St. Louis. I didn't double-check all my figures, but eyeballing it, it looks pretty accurate. The book provides daily mileage estimates which I added up in a spreadsheet. BTW, if you are a real nerd "The Atlas of Middle-earth" is countless hours of fun. It has a textual narrative of everything from the beginning of the first age to the sailing of the last ship that accompanies every detailed map. It can really help you sort out the big picture if you care about such things. I just ordered a copy from amazon as a gift, so it is still available out there. The recipient of my gift said he didn't get anything done for two whole days. There is really more information there than any reasonable person needs to know. Naturally, I've also read it cover to cover. ###### From: the softrat Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Roundtrip mileage Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 15:55:49 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <10au9o511jevf2@corp.supernews.com> <9296ce7.0405221230.393b2f7c@posting.google.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 15 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:151701 On 22 May 2004 13:30:35 -0700, gmoritz@worldnet.att.net (Greg Moritz) wrote: > >There is really more information there than any reasonable >person needs to know. Naturally, I've also read it cover >to cover. Why haven't you memorized it yet? All Middle-earth wants to know! the softrat "Honi soit qui mal y pense." mailto:softrat@pobox.com -- "There's no such thing as an innocent user" (Dark Avenger, in a Wired interview) ###### From: gmoritz@worldnet.att.net (Greg Moritz) Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Roundtrip mileage Date: 22 May 2004 20:53:15 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: <9296ce7.0405221953.23397695@posting.google.com> References: <10au9o511jevf2@corp.supernews.com> <9296ce7.0405221230.393b2f7c@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.100.204.192 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1085284395 11549 127.0.0.1 (23 May 2004 03:53:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 03:53:15 +0000 (UTC) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:151727 the softrat chided: > On 22 May 2004 13:30:35 -0700, gmoritz@worldnet.att.net > (Greg Moritz) wrote: > > > >There is really more information there than any reasonable > >person needs to know. Naturally, I've also read it cover > >to cover. > > Why haven't you memorized it yet? ... How do you know that I haven't? In any case, I don't need to memorize since I know where to look it up. ###### From: damm@ofir.dk (Kristian Damm Jensen) Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Roundtrip mileage Date: 23 May 2004 12:28:15 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 39 Message-ID: <2c9e2992.0405231128.5a1a71b6@posting.google.com> References: <10au9o511jevf2@corp.supernews.com> <9296ce7.0405221230.393b2f7c@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.66.173.135 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1085340495 5079 127.0.0.1 (23 May 2004 19:28:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 19:28:15 +0000 (UTC) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!216.196.98.140.MISMATCH!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.glorb.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:151786 gmoritz@worldnet.att.net (Greg Moritz) wrote in message news:<9296ce7.0405221230.393b2f7c@posting.google.com>... > "Neil Anderson" wrote : > > > > Has anyone ever made an estimate of the total number of > > > miles covered by Frodo and Sam on their trip to Mount > > > Doom and back to Hobbiton? > > "John J." responded : > > > > > There may well be some information in either "The Journeys of > > Frodo" by barbar Strachey or "The Atlas of Middle-earth" > > by Karen Wynn Fonstad. > > > > Unfortunately, I have neither to hand. > > I do: > miles / km > --------------- > Bag End to Rivendell 430 / 692 > Rivendell to Lorien 465 / 748 > Lorien to the Breaking of the Fellowship 387 / 623 > Breaking of the Fellowship to Mt Doom 466 / 750 > --------------- > Total 1,748 / 2,813 > > For some perspective on that, it is about 1,820 miles > from the center of Los Angeles to the center of St. Louis. To a European, that (i.e. 2813 km) would be roughly the distance between Madrid and Kijev London and Ankara Tromsų (northenmost Norway) and Venezia In other words, any way you put it: across most of Europe. Kristian ###### Message-ID: <40B10795.FE632CE8@acm.org> Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 16:20:44 -0400 From: Glenn Holliday Reply-To: holliday@acm.org Organization: What? Me worry? X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Roundtrip mileage References: <10au9o511jevf2@corp.supernews.com> <9296ce7.0405221230.393b2f7c@posting.google.com> <2c9e2992.0405231128.5a1a71b6@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.199.164.15 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 1085343604 10062 207.199.164.15 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!c03.atl99!atl-c02.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:151805 Kristian Damm Jensen wrote: > > gmoritz@worldnet.att.net (Greg Moritz) wrote in message news:<9296ce7.0405221230.393b2f7c@posting.google.com>... > > "Neil Anderson" wrote : > > > > > > Has anyone ever made an estimate of the total number of > > > > miles covered by Frodo and Sam on their trip to Mount > > > > Doom and back to Hobbiton? > > > In other words, any way you put it: across most of Europe. I suspect that was what Tolkien wanted us to pick up :-) -- Glenn Holliday holliday@acm.org ###### From: "Alan Reynolds" Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Roundtrip mileage Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 22:51:46 +0100 Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <10au9o511jevf2@corp.supernews.com> <9296ce7.0405221230.393b2f7c@posting.google.com> <2c9e2992.0405231128.5a1a71b6@posting.google.com> <40B10795.FE632CE8@acm.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.134.66.195 X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1085349667 21852 217.134.66.195 (23 May 2004 22:01:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 May 2004 22:01:07 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:151816 "Glenn Holliday" wrote in message news:40B10795.FE632CE8@acm.org... > Kristian Damm Jensen wrote: > > > > gmoritz@worldnet.att.net (Greg Moritz) wrote in message news:<9296ce7.0405221230.393b2f7c@posting.google.com>... > > > "Neil Anderson" wrote : > > > > > > > > Has anyone ever made an estimate of the total number of > > > > > miles covered by Frodo and Sam on their trip to Mount > > > > > Doom and back to Hobbiton? > > > > > In other words, any way you put it: across most of Europe. > > I suspect that was what Tolkien wanted us to pick up :-) > > -- > Glenn Holliday holliday@acm.org In _Letters_ , I believe Tolkien said that if Hobbiton was imagined as being roughly on the latitude of Oxford, then Minas Tirith would be the same latitude as Florence. I'm not too hot on my geography, but that distance (1,748 miles) may be the same for Bag End to Mount Doom as for Oxford to Florence. Give or take 50 miles or so. Alan ###### From: Alison Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Roundtrip mileage Reply-To: news.poster@ntlworld.com Message-ID: <93a2b0pkdgpvpqjbo6j6ja3tk3juee146p@4ax.com> References: <10au9o511jevf2@corp.supernews.com> <9296ce7.0405221230.393b2f7c@posting.google.com> <2c9e2992.0405231128.5a1a71b6@posting.google.com> <40B10795.FE632CE8@acm.org> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 23:41:54 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.72.255 X-Complaints-To: http://www.ntlworld.com/netreport X-Trace: newsfe5-gui.server.ntli.net 1085355706 62.255.72.255 (Sun, 23 May 2004 23:41:46 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 23:41:46 GMT Organization: ntlworld News Service Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newsrout1.ntli.net!news-in.ntli.net!newspeer1-win.server.ntli.net!newsfe5-gui.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:151824 On Sun, 23 May 2004 22:51:46 +0100, "Alan Reynolds" wrote: > >"Glenn Holliday" wrote in message >news:40B10795.FE632CE8@acm.org... >> Kristian Damm Jensen wrote: >> > >> > gmoritz@worldnet.att.net (Greg Moritz) wrote in message >news:<9296ce7.0405221230.393b2f7c@posting.google.com>... >> > > "Neil Anderson" wrote : >> > > >> > > > > Has anyone ever made an estimate of the total number of >> > > > > miles covered by Frodo and Sam on their trip to Mount >> > > > > Doom and back to Hobbiton? >> > > >> > In other words, any way you put it: across most of Europe. >> >> I suspect that was what Tolkien wanted us to pick up :-) >> >> -- >> Glenn Holliday holliday@acm.org > > >In _Letters_ , I believe Tolkien said that if Hobbiton was imagined as being >roughly on the latitude of Oxford, then Minas Tirith would be the same >latitude as Florence. I'm not too hot on my geography, but that distance >(1,748 miles) may be the same for Bag End to Mount Doom >as for Oxford to Florence. Give or take 50 miles or so. It's less than 1000 miles from Oxford to Florence. -- Alison ###### From: "TeaLady (Mari C.)" Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Roundtrip mileage Date: 24 May 2004 00:39:18 GMT Organization: Lint Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <10au9o511jevf2@corp.supernews.com> <9296ce7.0405221230.393b2f7c@posting.google.com> <2c9e2992.0405231128.5a1a71b6@posting.google.com> <40B10795.FE632CE8@acm.org> <93a2b0pkdgpvpqjbo6j6ja3tk3juee146p@4ax.com> X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de tsJkIQ4NrXjDVDa4YTCAywwVKzN/HgwCP6XdOzH1OnPUBfh67b User-Agent: Xnews/4.11.09 x-face: 8S?dQ)V'hP@.Lf3Ot.sv"e+zw7tDI4*y7F3ySvbXP%qrfyUVyXTSovH~=C}5]"*4K`e4q_@ ]OG'MH[A!iPTo6O:Ru:FUr,R6|%`H^>U:F)MjpAS&{^3A/Mq=/0ewP)VoUj7E^)Ilg`n%{z=R0d88: O{^)NYf]Ys.D#w`R':o+%gkH,f.bZyYp]`)+}?f8$&{,Gz@z9ou=N]Z}o0CI]q&n\\kz/Op@\cg15@S[z&bb'f`2T,a> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.stueberl.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:151839 Alison wrote in news:93a2b0pkdgpvpqjbo6j6ja3tk3juee146p@4ax.com: > On Sun, 23 May 2004 22:51:46 +0100, "Alan Reynolds" > wrote: snip >>In _Letters_ , I believe Tolkien said that if Hobbiton was >>imagined as being roughly on the latitude of Oxford, then >>Minas Tirith would be the same latitude as Florence. I'm not >>too hot on my geography, but that distance (1,748 miles) >>may be the same for Bag End to Mount Doom as for Oxford to >>Florence. Give or take 50 miles or so. > > It's less than 1000 miles from Oxford to Florence. > > As crow flies, or walking ? -- mc TeaLady / mari conroy ###### From: Alison Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Roundtrip mileage Reply-To: news.poster@ntlworld.com Message-ID: <1bb3b0t8rus46sltcuiabiovgqjvp1mb5t@4ax.com> References: <10au9o511jevf2@corp.supernews.com> <9296ce7.0405221230.393b2f7c@posting.google.com> <2c9e2992.0405231128.5a1a71b6@posting.google.com> <40B10795.FE632CE8@acm.org> <93a2b0pkdgpvpqjbo6j6ja3tk3juee146p@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 09:08:31 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.104.8.30 X-Complaints-To: http://www.ntlworld.com/netreport X-Trace: newsfe5-win 1085389720 81.104.8.30 (Mon, 24 May 2004 05:08:40 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 05:08:40 EDT Organization: ntlworld News Service Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newsrout1.ntli.net!news-in.ntli.net!newspeer1-win.server.ntli.net!newsfe5-win.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:151875 On 24 May 2004 00:39:18 GMT, "TeaLady (Mari C.)" wrote: >Alison wrote in >news:93a2b0pkdgpvpqjbo6j6ja3tk3juee146p@4ax.com: > >> On Sun, 23 May 2004 22:51:46 +0100, "Alan Reynolds" >> wrote: >snip >>>In _Letters_ , I believe Tolkien said that if Hobbiton was >>>imagined as being roughly on the latitude of Oxford, then >>>Minas Tirith would be the same latitude as Florence. I'm not >>>too hot on my geography, but that distance (1,748 miles) >>>may be the same for Bag End to Mount Doom as for Oxford to >>>Florence. Give or take 50 miles or so. >> >> It's less than 1000 miles from Oxford to Florence. >> >> > >As crow flies, or walking ? Either, assuming you follow a reasonably direct route, and don't travel by way of Warsaw. -- Alison ###### From: gmoritz@worldnet.att.net (Greg Moritz) Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Roundtrip mileage Date: 24 May 2004 11:04:49 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: <9296ce7.0405241004.57e0653b@posting.google.com> References: <10au9o511jevf2@corp.supernews.com> <9296ce7.0405221230.393b2f7c@posting.google.com> <2c9e2992.0405231128.5a1a71b6@posting.google.com> <40B10795.FE632CE8@acm.org> <93a2b0pkdgpvpqjbo6j6ja3tk3juee146p@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.100.204.158 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1085421890 29458 127.0.0.1 (24 May 2004 18:04:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 18:04:50 +0000 (UTC) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!c03.atl99!atl-c02.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.glorb.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:151936 "TeaLady (Mari C.)" wrote in message news:... > Alison wrote in > news:93a2b0pkdgpvpqjbo6j6ja3tk3juee146p@4ax.com: > > > > It's less than 1000 miles from Oxford to Florence. > > As crow flies, or walking ? as crow New chart: actual walked flies miles / km miles / km --------------- ------------- Bag End - Rivendell 430 / 692 385 / 620 Rivendell - Lorien 465 / 748 312 / 502 Lorien - Fellowship break 387 / 623 275 / 443 Fellowship break - Mt Doom 466 / 750 235 / 378 --------------- -------------- Total 1,748 / 2,813 1,207 / 1,943 A one-line measure of the whole trip puts it at just about exactly 1,000 / 1,610, but that's not allowing for curature of the planet. ###### From: "John J." Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Roundtrip mileage Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 14:20:20 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <10b4f7676f79m92@corp.supernews.com> References: <10au9o511jevf2@corp.supernews.com> <9296ce7.0405221230.393b2f7c@posting.google.com> <2c9e2992.0405231128.5a1a71b6@posting.google.com> <40B10795.FE632CE8@acm.org> <93a2b0pkdgpvpqjbo6j6ja3tk3juee146p@4ax.com> <9296ce7.0405241004.57e0653b@posting.google.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 22 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.news.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:151938 "Greg Moritz" wrote in message news:9296ce7.0405241004.57e0653b@posting.google.com... > as crow > New chart: actual walked flies > miles / km miles / km > --------------- ------------- > Bag End - Rivendell 430 / 692 385 / 620 > Rivendell - Lorien 465 / 748 312 / 502 > Lorien - Fellowship break 387 / 623 275 / 443 > Fellowship break - Mt Doom 466 / 750 235 / 378 > --------------- -------------- > Total 1,748 / 2,813 1,207 / 1,943 > > A one-line measure of the whole trip puts it at just about > exactly 1,000 / 1,610, but that's not allowing for curature > of the planet. Thanks, the numbers really help to put into perspective the scale of the journey. ###### From: Een Wilde Ier Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Roundtrip mileage Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 19:48:54 +0100 Lines: 29 Message-ID: <2heuchFc02bkU1@uni-berlin.de> References: <10au9o511jevf2@corp.supernews.com> <9296ce7.0405221230.393b2f7c@posting.google.com> <2c9e2992.0405231128.5a1a71b6@posting.google.com> <40B10795.FE632CE8@acm.org> <93a2b0pkdgpvpqjbo6j6ja3tk3juee146p@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 07nP6InBGPHns4EvjF9UwAcyeGCzPOBmgYM1AZjcCD4lsigbFV User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:151947 TeaLady (Mari C.) wrote: > Alison wrote in > news:93a2b0pkdgpvpqjbo6j6ja3tk3juee146p@4ax.com: >>On Sun, 23 May 2004 22:51:46 +0100, "Alan Reynolds" >> wrote: > snip > >>>In _Letters_ , I believe Tolkien said that if Hobbiton was >>>imagined as being roughly on the latitude of Oxford, then >>>Minas Tirith would be the same latitude as Florence. I'm not >>> too hot on my geography, but that distance (1,748 miles) may be >>> the same for Bag End to Mount Doom as for Oxford to Florence. Give >>> or take 50 miles or so. >> >>It's less than 1000 miles from Oxford to Florence. >> >> > As crow flies, or walking ? Just how many crows have you witnessed walking 1000 miles? (boom, boom) ###### From: "Harpie" Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Roundtrip mileage Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 13:13:15 -0600 Organization: University of Colorado at Denver Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <10au9o511jevf2@corp.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ls-mgoodland-cob.cudenver.edu X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newshosting.com!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!216.196.98.140.MISMATCH!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.glorb.com!Spring.edu.tw!news.nctu.edu.tw!feeder.seed.net.tw!attdv1!ip.att.net!frgp!news!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:151966 See http://home.insightbb.com/~eowynchallenge/Walk/walk.html This is the website for the Eowyn Challenge; the mileage was recently updated with help from Karen Wynn Fonstad. Marianne "Neil Anderson" wrote in message news:JTIrc.2371$Hf.1379916@newshog.newsread.com... > > "John J." wrote in message > news:10au9o511jevf2@corp.supernews.com... > > Has anyone ever made an estimate of the total number of miles covered by > > Frodo and Sam on their trip to Mount Doom and back to Hobbiton? > > > > > There may well be some information in either "The Journeys of Frodo" by > barbar Strachey or "The Atlas of Middle-earth" by Karen Wynn Fonstad. > > Unfortunately, I have neither to hand. > > Neil Anderson > > ###### From: "Christopher Kreuzer" Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <10au9o511jevf2@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Roundtrip mileage Lines: 9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 20:19:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.43.162.58 X-Complaints-To: abuse@blueyonder.co.uk X-Trace: news-text.cableinet.net 1085429970 82.43.162.58 (Mon, 24 May 2004 21:19:30 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 21:19:30 BST Organization: blueyonder (post doesn't reflect views of blueyonder) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.stueberl.de!proxad.net!proxad.net!213.253.16.105.MISMATCH!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!news-text.cableinet.net!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:151970 Harpie wrote: > See http://home.insightbb.com/~eowynchallenge/Walk/walk.html > > This is the website for the Eowyn Challenge; the mileage was recently > updated with help from Karen Wynn Fonstad. Sounds like a great idea. Even though I get a bit faint at the idea of walking 458 miles, I really might try this one day. ###### From: 103134.3516@compuserve.com (Jim Deutch) Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Roundtrip mileage Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:18:50 GMT Organization: Topiary of Cthulhu Lines: 37 Message-ID: <40b5f86e.178889940@news.compuserve.com> References: <10au9o511jevf2@corp.supernews.com> <9296ce7.0405221230.393b2f7c@posting.google.com> <2c9e2992.0405231128.5a1a71b6@posting.google.com> <40B10795.FE632CE8@acm.org> <93a2b0pkdgpvpqjbo6j6ja3tk3juee146p@4ax.com> <1bb3b0t8rus46sltcuiabiovgqjvp1mb5t@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ndcvba1.utc.com X-Trace: ngspool-d02.news.aol.com 1085667551 18345 192.249.49.31 (27 May 2004 14:19:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@compuserve.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:19:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!newsfeed.stueberl.de!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:152241 On Mon, 24 May 2004 09:08:31 +0100, Alison wrote: >On 24 May 2004 00:39:18 GMT, "TeaLady (Mari C.)" > wrote: > >>Alison wrote in >>news:93a2b0pkdgpvpqjbo6j6ja3tk3juee146p@4ax.com: >> >>> On Sun, 23 May 2004 22:51:46 +0100, "Alan Reynolds" >>> wrote: >>snip >>>>In _Letters_ , I believe Tolkien said that if Hobbiton was >>>>imagined as being roughly on the latitude of Oxford, then >>>>Minas Tirith would be the same latitude as Florence. I'm not >>>>too hot on my geography, but that distance (1,748 miles) >>>>may be the same for Bag End to Mount Doom as for Oxford to >>>>Florence. Give or take 50 miles or so. >>> >>> It's less than 1000 miles from Oxford to Florence. >>> >>> >> >>As crow flies, or walking ? > >Either, assuming you follow a reasonably direct route, and don't >travel by way of Warsaw. Ha ha! There speaks a child of the modern, Interstate-highway-riddled world. A general rule of thumb for walking through the wilderness, even on well-travelled paths, is that you'll walk at least twice the "as-the-crow-flies" distance. Jim Deutch (Jimbo the Cat) -- "The result of this experiment was inconclusive, so we had to use statistics." (Overheard at international physics conference)