From: "The American" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: What is Osanwe-kenta? Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 23:32:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.171.254.120 X-Complaints-To: abuse@adelphia.net X-Trace: news1.news.adelphia.net 1073863978 68.171.254.120 (Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:32:58 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:32:58 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news1.news.adelphia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:137320 What is Osanwe-kenta? I've seen it posted a numerous times. And I don't think it's in the FAQ (but I might have missed it) Is it something outside of HOME? TIA. T.A. ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:58:09 -0600 From: Tar-Elenion Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: What is Osanwe-kenta? Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:00:57 -0800 Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.169.63.59 X-Trace: sv3-8O9abNri/eLZNU2x2aEKzFB+jl1Ky2Na2aQdgppE8tKpeEHuVy3MgdZBvXistGbcXE0UOkUHZqXEtbT!IOalrkQJaH1qWddo5WD+VaE6E29V5uk98/Ay1RtqFaBzkfNLOz28PipU0MLMvYnZIFpApNgZjMQp!HVRMIWIC X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed.ision.net!ision!newsfeed.vmunix.org!newsfeed.stueberl.de!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:137323 In article , a_real_american@hotspammail.com says... > What is Osanwe-kenta? > I've seen it posted a numerous times. > And I don't think it's in the FAQ (but I might have missed it) > Is it something outside of HOME? It is an essay JRRT wrote about the ability to communicate 'telepathically' (Osanwe-kenta = 'Enquiry into the Communication of Thought'). It was 8 pages long, and was published in Vinyar Tengwar #39. You can order it for two dollars from: http://www.elvish.org/VT/ -- Tar-Elenion Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue. ###### From: "The American" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: Subject: Re: What is Osanwe-kenta? Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 00:47:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.171.254.120 X-Complaints-To: abuse@adelphia.net X-Trace: news1.news.adelphia.net 1073868438 68.171.254.120 (Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:47:18 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:47:18 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!enews.sgi.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!24.30.200.11!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!router1.news.adelphia.net!news1.news.adelphia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:137334 "Tar-Elenion" wrote in message news:MPG.1a6b838f5f696e9098985f@news.comcast.giganews.com... > In article , > a_real_american@hotspammail.com says... > > What is Osanwe-kenta? > > I've seen it posted a numerous times. > > And I don't think it's in the FAQ (but I might have missed it) > > Is it something outside of HOME? > > It is an essay JRRT wrote about the ability to communicate > 'telepathically' (Osanwe-kenta = 'Enquiry into the Communication of > Thought'). It was 8 pages long, and was published in Vinyar Tengwar #39. > You can order it for two dollars from: > http://www.elvish.org/VT/ > How did the VT get rights to the essay? I briefly checked the link you posted (thanks) but there didn't seem to be any info on the history of E.L.F. Was the essay donated by Christopher or Tolkien himself? T.A. ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:06:31 -0600 From: Tar-Elenion Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: What is Osanwe-kenta? Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:09:18 -0800 Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.169.63.59 X-Trace: sv3-wYf49RyWVtUgtBXjkrBG0wMlgw0EOBcT2sMcvcyLNVYf2BoLUHdpz8KGjaX7NuzhyHsOJjWjAj/FNdS!MmmbDPQPB4JFhE0MRV3dyJm9VeMa/HJfhPecenSSo+bt8GbIjrFRn063EgOCxgUMS739VNR7R1ut!UqJA7lGp X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:137338 In article , a_real_american@hotspammail.com says... > > "Tar-Elenion" wrote in message > news:MPG.1a6b838f5f696e9098985f@news.comcast.giganews.com... > > In article , > > a_real_american@hotspammail.com says... > > > What is Osanwe-kenta? > > > I've seen it posted a numerous times. > > > And I don't think it's in the FAQ (but I might have missed it) > > > Is it something outside of HOME? > > > > It is an essay JRRT wrote about the ability to communicate > > 'telepathically' (Osanwe-kenta = 'Enquiry into the Communication of > > Thought'). It was 8 pages long, and was published in Vinyar Tengwar #39. > > You can order it for two dollars from: > > http://www.elvish.org/VT/ > > > > How did the VT get rights to the essay? > I briefly checked the link you posted (thanks) but there didn't seem to be > any info on the history of E.L.F. > Was the essay donated by Christopher or Tolkien himself? > They have been given rights from the Estate/CT to edit and publish JRRT's manuscripts, they do so primarily from the linguistic aspect, but many of the things they publish provide interesting 'historical' information as well. -- Tar-Elenion Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue. ###### From: Chris Kern Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: What is Osanwe-kenta? Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:16:44 +0900 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8at300pjbs6tmuehm4rv0lsdtgo0knmrkh@4ax.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-743.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: redlance.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:137353 On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:09:18 -0800, Tar-Elenion posted the following: >They have been given rights from the Estate/CT to edit and publish JRRT's >manuscripts, they do so primarily from the linguistic aspect, but many of >the things they publish provide interesting 'historical' information as >well. Someone should make a list of "essential" Venyar Tengwars to get. Personally, I have zero interest in Tolkien's languages, but I'd like to read the stuff like Osanwe-Kenta and the River Names of Gondor essay because of the "historical"-type information in them. -Chris ###### From: "The American" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <8at300pjbs6tmuehm4rv0lsdtgo0knmrkh@4ax.com> Subject: Re: What is Osanwe-kenta? Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:54:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.171.254.120 X-Complaints-To: abuse@adelphia.net X-Trace: news1.news.adelphia.net 1073872460 68.171.254.120 (Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:54:20 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:54:20 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.stueberl.de!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!router2.news.adelphia.net!router1.news.adelphia.net!news1.news.adelphia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:137357 "Chris Kern" wrote in message news:8at300pjbs6tmuehm4rv0lsdtgo0knmrkh@4ax.com... > On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:09:18 -0800, Tar-Elenion > posted the following: > > >They have been given rights from the Estate/CT to edit and publish JRRT's > >manuscripts, they do so primarily from the linguistic aspect, but many of > >the things they publish provide interesting 'historical' information as > >well. > > Someone should make a list of "essential" Venyar Tengwars to get. > Personally, I have zero interest in Tolkien's languages, but I'd like > to read the stuff like Osanwe-Kenta and the River Names of Gondor > essay because of the "historical"-type information in them. > Yes I agree. As I've said before I wish Tolkien spent more time with the story and less with the language. T.A. ###### From: "The American" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: Subject: Re: What is Osanwe-kenta? Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:57:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.171.254.120 X-Complaints-To: abuse@adelphia.net X-Trace: news1.news.adelphia.net 1073872621 68.171.254.120 (Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:57:01 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:57:01 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!enews.sgi.com!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news1.news.adelphia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:137359 "Tar-Elenion" wrote in message news:MPG.1a6b938fe692b578989860@news.comcast.giganews.com... > In article , > a_real_american@hotspammail.com says... > > > > "Tar-Elenion" wrote in message > > news:MPG.1a6b838f5f696e9098985f@news.comcast.giganews.com... > > > In article , > > > a_real_american@hotspammail.com says... > > > > What is Osanwe-kenta? > > > > I've seen it posted a numerous times. > > > > And I don't think it's in the FAQ (but I might have missed it) > > > > Is it something outside of HOME? > > > > > > It is an essay JRRT wrote about the ability to communicate > > > 'telepathically' (Osanwe-kenta = 'Enquiry into the Communication of > > > Thought'). It was 8 pages long, and was published in Vinyar Tengwar #39. > > > You can order it for two dollars from: > > > http://www.elvish.org/VT/ > > > > > > > How did the VT get rights to the essay? > > I briefly checked the link you posted (thanks) but there didn't seem to be > > any info on the history of E.L.F. > > Was the essay donated by Christopher or Tolkien himself? > > > They have been given rights from the Estate/CT to edit and publish JRRT's > manuscripts, they do so primarily from the linguistic aspect, but many of > the things they publish provide interesting 'historical' information as > well. > So are those manuscripts separate from HOME? I wonder what other tidbits Christopher is sitting on that he might not think interesting. T.A. ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:21:18 -0600 From: Tar-Elenion Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: What is Osanwe-kenta? Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:24:06 -0800 Message-ID: References: <8at300pjbs6tmuehm4rv0lsdtgo0knmrkh@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.169.63.59 X-Trace: sv3-4R1k3qm7jVC5uX8wisSR0kJK5BFmFFZBi6gyXDgPnR2jVP2ulm3s1Ez5z8Ny5JBZycKCm8iAdbKvy6J!AcOJwbBznSftF/bnd2h8oHgF8vtYzeL6vCuRkxq1IUeKIQPe1M0BVUQCV6mSTUKbGoPGLq9n2jko!RKrixmaC X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.stueberl.de!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:137391 In article <8at300pjbs6tmuehm4rv0lsdtgo0knmrkh@4ax.com>, chriskern99@yahoo.com says... > On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:09:18 -0800, Tar-Elenion > posted the following: > > >They have been given rights from the Estate/CT to edit and publish JRRT's > >manuscripts, they do so primarily from the linguistic aspect, but many of > >the things they publish provide interesting 'historical' information as > >well. > > Someone should make a list of "essential" Venyar Tengwars to get. > Personally, I have zero interest in Tolkien's languages, but I'd like > to read the stuff like Osanwe-Kenta and the River Names of Gondor > essay because of the "historical"-type information in them. > > -Chris > 39, 41, 42 are probably the most relevant, 45 is more linguistic in intent, but it has the first half of a Corrigenda and Addenda to the Etymologies of HoME 5 (46 should have the second half). Those would be the most 'essential' for what you are looking for (one of the much earlier issues has some astronomical information but I don't recall which one). 34 and 35 are a lingustic reveiw of Morgoths Ring, and have some interesting information, but is probably less relevant to what you are looking for. -- Tar-Elenion Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue. ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:26:39 -0600 From: Tar-Elenion Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: What is Osanwe-kenta? Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:29:26 -0800 Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 Lines: 54 NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.169.63.59 X-Trace: sv3-lghrJ0tFCArabfIkCc1wY/UnJRhaPBegyvjnTExhyWVWtL5suQ3IGeM8afDuN6ey9U4/lIC6Vupc1AM!jJJiTCoUmThpCu5D7xq9gCPA+9TJrak4jQhFqQZGInhcV65wU0cdjeM6aXhF2fk26tduhW5O1X87!d8paY14m X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!newsfeed.stueberl.de!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:137392 In article , a_real_american@hotspammail.com says... > > "Tar-Elenion" wrote in message > news:MPG.1a6b938fe692b578989860@news.comcast.giganews.com... > > In article , > > a_real_american@hotspammail.com says... > > > > > > "Tar-Elenion" wrote in message > > > news:MPG.1a6b838f5f696e9098985f@news.comcast.giganews.com... > > > > In article , > > > > a_real_american@hotspammail.com says... > > > > > What is Osanwe-kenta? > > > > > I've seen it posted a numerous times. > > > > > And I don't think it's in the FAQ (but I might have missed it) > > > > > Is it something outside of HOME? > > > > > > > > It is an essay JRRT wrote about the ability to communicate > > > > 'telepathically' (Osanwe-kenta = 'Enquiry into the Communication of > > > > Thought'). It was 8 pages long, and was published in Vinyar Tengwar > #39. > > > > You can order it for two dollars from: > > > > http://www.elvish.org/VT/ > > > > > > > > > > How did the VT get rights to the essay? > > > I briefly checked the link you posted (thanks) but there didn't seem to > be > > > any info on the history of E.L.F. > > > Was the essay donated by Christopher or Tolkien himself? > > > > > They have been given rights from the Estate/CT to edit and publish JRRT's > > manuscripts, they do so primarily from the linguistic aspect, but many of > > the things they publish provide interesting 'historical' information as > > well. > > > > So are those manuscripts separate from HOME? > I wonder what other tidbits Christopher is sitting on that he might not > think interesting. Here is a list of unpublished and partially published manuscripts. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/9902/unpub.html I dont think CT is just 'sitting on tidbits', some things were left out of HoME for space considerations etc. and has allowed a team to continue to publish things. Most of the documents are in the Marquette or Bodelian archives. -- Tar-Elenion Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue. ###### From: Stan Brown Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: What is Osanwe-kenta? Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 02:22:17 -0500 Organization: Oak Road Systems Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.60 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 16 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!newsfeed.hanau.net!newsfeed.vmunix.org!news.cs.univ-paris8.fr!proxad.net!freenix!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:137422 It seems "The American" wrote in rec.arts.books.tolkien in article : >What is Osanwe-kenta? Go to Steuard's book list and specify that you hate stories and love essays. It will pop up. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Cortland County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com Tolkien FAQs: http://Tolkien.slimy.com (Steuard Jensen's site) Tolkien letters FAQ: http://users.telerama.com/~taliesen/tolkien/lettersfaq.html FAQ of the Rings: http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/ringfaq.htm Encyclopedia of Arda: http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.htm more FAQs: http://oakroadsystems.com/tech/faqget.htm ###### From: Stan Brown Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: What is Osanwe-kenta? Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 02:25:48 -0500 Organization: Oak Road Systems Message-ID: References: <8at300pjbs6tmuehm4rv0lsdtgo0knmrkh@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.60 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 17 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-04!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:137423 It seems "The American" wrote in rec.arts.books.tolkien in article : >As I've said before I wish Tolkien spent more time with the story and less >with the language. But for him the story was just a gloss on the language, which was his first love. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Cortland County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com Tolkien FAQs: http://Tolkien.slimy.com (Steuard Jensen's site) Tolkien letters FAQ: http://users.telerama.com/~taliesen/tolkien/lettersfaq.html FAQ of the Rings: http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/ringfaq.htm Encyclopedia of Arda: http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.htm more FAQs: http://oakroadsystems.com/tech/faqget.htm