NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 13:01:08 -0600 From: Tar-Elenion Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: The Lord of the Rings: a Source-Critical Analysis Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 10:58:20 -0800 Message-ID: X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 Lines: 108 NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.169.63.59 X-Trace: sv3-kECX4MvmWugHPcQDi87LQqiUqZ9Up07HVEzroFTDQGWqyu8hsXdva4U/u++ukx2Jk2bQYhBSVWGjAM0!d2QEuM8naorm+vAvnsIzDlmjDl8XEXtaVHC9cPn8x2XO0yQInRP3b5dE+s1lu6Yavpu1cL91QjsO!22zZbrdu X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!news-xfer.cox.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:135759 The Lord of the Rings: a Source-Critical Analysis By Mark Shea (Crisis magazine, Jan. 2004) Experts in source-criticism now know that The Lord of the Rings is a redaction of sources ranging from the Red Book of Westmarch (W) to Elvish Chronicles (E) to Gondorian records (G) to orally transmitted tales of the Rohirrim (R). The conflicting ethnic, social, and religious groups that preserved these stories all had their own agendas, as did the "Tolkien" (T) and "Peter Jackson" (PJ) redactors, who are often in conflict with each other as well but whose conflicting accounts of the same events reveal a great deal about the political and religious situations that helped to form our popular notions about Middle Earth and the so-called War of the Ring. Into this mix are also thrown a great deal of folk materials about a supposed magic "ring" and some obscure figures named Frodo and Sam. In all likelihood, these latter figures are totems meant to personify the popularity of Aragorn with the rural classes. Because The Lord of the Rings is a composite of sources, we may be quite certain that "Tolkien" (if he ever existed) did not "write" this work in the conventional sense, but that it was assembled over a long period of time by someone else of the same name. We know this because a work of the range, depth, and detail of The Lord of the Rings is far beyond the capacity of any modern experts in source-criticism to ever imagine creating themselves. The tension between source materials and the various redactors is evident in several cases. T is heavily dependent on G records and clearly elevates the claims of the Aragorn monarchy over the House of Denethor. From this it is obvious that the real "War of the Ring" was a dynastic struggle between these two clans for supremacy in Gondor. The G source, which plays such a prominent role in the T-redacted account of Aragorn, is significantly downplayed by the PJ redactor in favor of E versions. In the T account, Aragorn is portrayed as a stainless saint, utterly sure of his claims to the throne and so self-possessed that he never doubts for a moment his right to seize power. Likewise, in the T account, the Rohirrim are conveniently portrayed as willing allies and vassals to the Aragorn monarchy, living in perfect harmony with the Master Race of Numenoreans that rules Gondor. Yet even the T redactor cannot eliminate from the R source the towering Amazon figure of Eowyn, who is recorded as taking up arms the moment the previous king of Rohan, Theoden, is dead. Clearly we are looking at a heavily reworked coup d'etat attempt by the princess of the Rohirrim against Aragorn's supremacy. Yet this hard kernel of historical fact is cleverly sublimated under folk materials (apparently legends of the obscure figure of 'Meriadoc'). Instead of the historical account of her attempt on Aragorn's throne as it originally stood in R, she is instead depicted as engaging in battle with a mythical "Lord of the Nazgul" (apparently a figure from W sources) and shown fighting on Aragorn's side. This attempt to sublimate Eowyn does not convince the trained eye of the source-criticism expert, who astutely notes that Eowyn is wounded in battle at the same moment Denethor dies. Obviously, Eowyn and Denethor were in league against Aragorn but were defeated by the latter's partisans simultaneously. This tendency to distort the historical record recurs many times in T. Indeed, many scholars now believe that the so-called Madness of Denethor in T (which depicts Denethor as a suicide) is, in fact, a sanitized version of the murder of Denethor by Aragorn through the administration of poison (possibly distilled from a plant called athelas). In contrast to T, the PJ redaction of Aragorn is filled with self-doubts and frequently rebuked by PJ-redacted Elrond. Probably this is due to PJ's own political and religious affiliations, which seek, in particular, to exalt the Elvish claims to supremacy against Numenorean claims. T suggests some skill on Aragorn's part in the use of pharmaceutical (and hallucinogenic?) plants, which may account for some of the more "visionary" moments of mysterious beings like "Black Riders" who appear to have been tribal chieftains hostile to the Aragorn dynasty. PJ, however, exalts Elrond 's healing powers over Aragorn's. This is probably rooted in some incident of psychosomatic healing repeatedly chronicled in different sources. Thus, the G source also has an account of Frodo's "healing by Aragorn" on the Field of Cormallen, but E places it at Rivendell and attributes the healing to Elrond. Since we know that "Frodo" is likely just a figure representing the rural population and not a historical personage, most scholars therefore conclude that "Frodo's" healing is T's symbolic representation of Aragorn's program of socioeconomic appeasement of the agrarian class, while his healing by Elrond is a nature myth representing the renewal of the annual crops. Of course, the "Ring" motif appears in countless folk tales and is to be discounted altogether. Equally dubious are the "Gandalf" narratives, which appear to be legends of a shamanistic figure, introduced to the narrative by W out of deference to local Shire cultic practice. Finally, we can only guess at what the Sauron sources might have revealed, since they must have been destroyed by victors who give a wholly negative view of this doubtlessly complex, warm, human, and many- sided figure. Reasonable scholars now know, of course, that the identification of Sauron with "pure evil" is simply absurd. Indeed, many scholars have undertaken a "Quest for the Historical Sauron" and are searching the records with growing passion and urgency for any lore connected with the making of the One Ring. "It's all legendary, of course," says Dr. S. Aruman, "Especially the absurd tale of Frodo the Nine-Fingered. After all, the idea of anyone deliberately giving up Power is simply impossible and would call into question the most precious thesis of postmodern ideology: that everything is a power struggle on the basis of race, class, and gender. Still, I...should... very much like to have a look at it. Just for scholarly purposes, of course?" (first posted by Alboin at Tolkien Online) -- Tar-Elenion Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue. ###### Lines: 26 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: mddestiny@aol.comlemon (Rhiannon S) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Date: 03 Jan 2004 19:19:12 GMT References: Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: Re: The Lord of the Rings: a Source-Critical Analysis Message-ID: <20040103141912.11149.00002150@mb-m11.aol.com> Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!priapus.visi.com!orange.octanews.net!news.octanews.net!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:135764 >Subject: The Lord of the Rings: a Source-Critical Analysis >From: Tar-Elenion tar_elenion@hotmail.com >Date: 03/01/2004 18:58 GMT Standard Time >Message-id: [big snip] >"It's all legendary, of course," says Dr. S. Aruman, "Especially the >absurd tale of Frodo the Nine-Fingered. After all, the idea of anyone >deliberately giving up Power is simply impossible and would call into >question the most precious thesis of postmodern ideology: that everything >is a power struggle on the basis of race, class, and gender. Still, >I...should... very much like to have a look at it. Just for scholarly >purposes, of course?" > >(first posted by Alboin at Tolkien Online) >-- >Tar-Elenion > Brilliant! -- Rhiannon http://www.livejournal.com/users/rhiannon_s/ Q: how many witches does it take to change a lightbulb? A: depends on what you want it changed into! ###### From: Adam Cole User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: The Lord of the Rings: a Source-Critical Analysis References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 19:45:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.142.24.220 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1073159147 64.142.24.220 (Sat, 03 Jan 2004 11:45:47 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 11:45:47 PST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news2.telebyte.nl!news.cambrium.nl!news.cambrium.nl!news.cambrium.nl!news2.euro.net!63.223.20.72.MISMATCH!sjc72.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:135772 Tar-Elenion wrote: > The Lord of the Rings: a Source-Critical Analysis > > By Mark Shea (Crisis magazine, Jan. 2004) > > Experts in source-criticism now know that The Lord of the Rings is a > redaction of sources ranging from the Red Book of Westmarch (W) to Elvish > Chronicles (E)... [etc] > (first posted by Alboin at Tolkien Online) Umm...so, to which of you shall I send the bill for my monitor and keyboard (both now in need of extensive coffee removal)? Adam Cole ###### From: mair_fheal@yahoo.com (cassandras morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: The Lord of the Rings: a Source-Critical Analysis Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 12:54:38 -0800 Organization: eden huntersstrand Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 4 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!skynet.be!freenix!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!c108.ppp.tsoft.com!user Xref: redlance.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:135784 > Finally, we can only guess at what the Sauron sources might have > revealed, since they must have been destroyed by victors who give a http://people.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~lalaith/Tolkien/Diary.html ###### From: yzetta@yahoo.com (zett) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: The Lord of the Rings: a Source-Critical Analysis Date: 3 Jan 2004 14:54:20 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4bb40450.0401031454.797a5d32@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.43.24.12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1073170460 8672 127.0.0.1 (3 Jan 2004 22:54:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 22:54:20 +0000 (UTC) Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:135807 Tar-Elenion wrote in message news:... > The Lord of the Rings: a Source-Critical Analysis > By Mark Shea (Crisis magazine, Jan. 2004) > (first posted by Alboin at Tolkien Online) [brilliance snipped] Bravo to Alboin for posting this and bravo to you for showing it to rabt! Thanks! ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 22:28:20 -0600 From: "Sue Bilstein" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: Subject: Re: The Lord of the Rings: a Source-Critical Analysis Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 17:32:21 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 218-101-79-106.dialup.clear.net.nz Message-ID: <3ff79695@clear.net.nz> X-Original-Trace: 4 Jan 2004 17:29:09 +1300, 218-101-79-106.dialup.clear.net.nz Organization: CLEAR Net New Zealand http://www.clear.net.nz - Complaints abuse@clear.net.nz Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.97.37.6 X-Trace: sv3-vfmlyNviHwFvFffXAWk8uKM6qDPeSjyd+EgCamc+BkROO4U4oMlFq94yX/AghCvbnmURTAd4t89ogpp!kIChz7R2bqgl8CCKowCR/VZD5FE8qskD3/7RWanIDKaqyi376nhHZ1c= X-Complaints-To: Complaints to abuse@clear.net.nz X-DMCA-Complaints-To: Complaints to abuse@clear.net.nz X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newshosting.com!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!216.166.71.118.MISMATCH!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.clear.net.nz!news.clear.net.nz.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:135840 "cassandras morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges" wrote in message news:mair_fheal-0301041254390001@c108.ppp.tsoft.com... > > Finally, we can only guess at what the Sauron sources might have > > revealed, since they must have been destroyed by victors who give a > > http://people.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~lalaith/Tolkien/Diary.html Just a soupcon of "Diary of a Nobody". ###### From: jsolinas7@netscape.net (Flame of the West) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: The Lord of the Rings: a Source-Critical Analysis Date: 3 Jan 2004 22:38:43 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <29ddc11e.0401032238.324baf4@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.48.109.158 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1073198324 6026 127.0.0.1 (4 Jan 2004 06:38:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 06:38:44 +0000 (UTC) Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!newsfeed.vmunix.org!uio.no!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:135844 Tar-Elenion wrote in message news:... > The Lord of the Rings: a Source-Critical Analysis > > By Mark Shea (Crisis magazine, Jan. 2004) > > > (first posted by Alboin at Tolkien Online) Wonderful! -- FotW Reality is for those who cannot cope with Middle-earth. ###### From: JXStern Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: The Lord of the Rings: a Source-Critical Analysis Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/32.572 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 17:24:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.62.121.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc02.gnilink.net 1073237067 4.62.121.8 (Sun, 04 Jan 2004 12:24:27 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 12:24:27 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!diablo.voicenet.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller.gnilink.net!nwrddc02.gnilink.net.POSTED!4fcf30b0!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:135898 On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 10:58:20 -0800, Tar-Elenion wrote: >The Lord of the Rings: a Source-Critical Analysis >By Mark Shea (Crisis magazine, Jan. 2004) >... Just to add my voice agreeing, very well done! J. ###### From: "A Tsar Is Born" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: Subject: Re: The Lord of the Rings: a Source-Critical Analysis Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 23:22:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.155.107.61 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny02.gnilink.net 1073258544 141.155.107.61 (Sun, 04 Jan 2004 18:22:24 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 18:22:24 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny02.gnilink.net.POSTED!d1cafec9!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:135980 An academic friend ripostes: Thank you very much for taking the trouble to send me this, which I much admired, being the first serious piece of textual criticism applied to the subject. I do however reject the concept that Tolkien never existed as an individual, as the narrative as we have it is so strongly marked by personal idiosyncrasies in sharp contrast to the conventional teaching of the literary schools of England at his time. It seems that, as in the case of Homer, the argument for a single, distinctive, author of the work as we have it remains strong. By contrast it is fairly clear that the 'Jackson' version is composite, being the work of one of the teams of chroniclers and illuminators much more characteristic of the post-British world of the end of the century. In many ways the Jackson version is much bolder and simpler, so that while it could be an epitome we must also face the possibility that it was based on a missing work ancestral also to the Tolkien narrative, and more faithfully reflects it. I provisionally term this hypothetical lost source 'Q'. ###### From: Doug McDonald Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: The Lord of the Rings: a Source-Critical Analysis Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 17:40:14 -0600 Organization: Usenet @ UIUC - http://www.killfile.org/usenet/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3FF8A45E.702BC21@scs.uiuc.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: marge.scs.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.ks.uiuc.edu 1073259615 8123 130.126.228.6 (4 Jan 2004 23:40:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news+abuse@ks.uiuc.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 23:40:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; I) X-Accept-Language: en Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!enews.sgi.com!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!news.ks.uiuc.edu!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:135985 A Tsar Is Born wrote: > > An academic friend ripostes: brilliantly! >> In many ways the Jackson > version is much bolder and simpler, so that while it could be an epitome we > must also face the possibility that it was based on a missing work ancestral > also to the Tolkien narrative, and more faithfully reflects it. I > provisionally term this hypothetical lost source 'Q'. O my God how brilliant!!! Doug ###### From: "Luminaria" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <29ddc11e.0401032238.324baf4@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: The Lord of the Rings: a Source-Critical Analysis Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 05:34:54 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3ff93dce$0$6740$61fed72c@news.rcn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.150.34.1 X-Trace: 1073298895 reader3.news.rcn.net 6740 209.150.34.1:4384 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!feed.news.tiscali.de!rcn!feed3.news.rcn.net!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:136108 > Tar-Elenion wrote in message > > The Lord of the Rings: a Source-Critical Analysis > > By Mark Shea (Crisis magazine, Jan. 2004) Ummmm... I can't find this at the Crisis magazine web site. Are you sure that Mark Shea wrote this? Lis ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 17:33:12 -0600 From: Tar-Elenion Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: The Lord of the Rings: a Source-Critical Analysis Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:35:46 -0800 Message-ID: References: <29ddc11e.0401032238.324baf4@posting.google.com> <3ff93dce$0$6740$61fed72c@news.rcn.com> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.169.63.59 X-Trace: sv3-jt4kbl2swIU1/PrVRxkwv8KnGMOtASLtLtKMDkBd5xc4xs6FDcxmlXTqPfj7EmEmO0Qxu3SYXrtCKVS!SoveEDlpdhIgog5xB8uQmJ8jfkUrMv0rldG0+LudhTMtcV2MnqnVfi0HGgOZFwaCfAx+YHS36k7J!wAn8zSMA X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-out.tin.it!news-in.tin.it!newsfeed.nextoneserver.com!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:136246 In article <3ff93dce$0$6740$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>, lanatAT@rcn.DOTcom says... > > > > Tar-Elenion wrote in message > > > > The Lord of the Rings: a Source-Critical Analysis > > > By Mark Shea (Crisis magazine, Jan. 2004) > > Ummmm... I can't find this at the Crisis magazine web site. Are you sure > that Mark Shea wrote this? > > Lis As I noted, I was taking this from a post by 'Alboin' at Tolkien Online. I have not looked for the Jan. issue of Crisis magazine, but I do note that Mr. Shea does write for Crisis, and I have seen it posted elswhere and attributed to Mr. Shea. I have no reason to disbelieve it at this point. -- Tar-Elenion Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue. ###### From: jsolinas7@netscape.net (Flame of the West) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: The Lord of the Rings: a Source-Critical Analysis Date: 5 Jan 2004 21:04:44 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: <29ddc11e.0401052104.393c3f01@posting.google.com> References: <29ddc11e.0401032238.324baf4@posting.google.com> <3ff93dce$0$6740$61fed72c@news.rcn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.48.109.158 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1073365485 27989 127.0.0.1 (6 Jan 2004 05:04:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 05:04:45 +0000 (UTC) Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:136292 "Luminaria" wrote in message news:<3ff93dce$0$6740$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>... > Ummmm... I can't find this at the Crisis magazine web site. Are you sure > that Mark Shea wrote this? It looked to me like they still have the December stuff there. Some magazines will not post the contents of the current issue. Let's check back in a month (or alternatively buy the magazine!). -- FotW Reality is for those who cannot cope with Middle-earth.