From: songbook@theforce.net (Kalor) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien,alt.fan.harry-potter Subject: News report: LOTR on Banned Texts List at Hogwarts Date: 6 Jul 2003 23:28:46 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 57 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.139.125.41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1057559326 11088 127.0.0.1 (7 Jul 2003 06:28:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jul 2003 06:28:46 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:119251 The List of Banned and Forbidden Texts has been released again at Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, and this year it's generating more than the usual amount of controversy. Among tomes judged to be poisonous to young minds, such as Witch-Hunting for Dummies and The Daily Financial Review, the popular novel Lord of the Rings, by muggle writer J.R.R Tolkien, now resides. "It's the first time we've had to ban a comedy" acknowledges Albus Dumbledore, headmaster of the school. "Like everyone else, I had a chortle over the concept of house-elves having their own noble society and being wise and respected, but some things in that book are just not suitable for young wizards and witches. I'm thinking of bringing in some dementors for school security, and after reading about those ringwraiths my students will run at first sight of them. And the recurring theme of magic fading from the world has caused terrible rumours, even among the staff". Mr Dumbledore slams critics who claim he only opposes the book due to the many references to a parody of himself. "I can take a joke with the best of them" he defends. "Even when it gets past a joke. If I had a galleon for every time those Weasley twins have used a grey colour-changing spell on my robes while they're at the laundry…" Much of the magical community can see his point, such as second year student Draco Malfoy. "The only reason wizards are even in this book is just to help muggles" he points out. "What sort of role model is that? You even have a magical being giving up her heritage to marry a muggle. It's a mudblood manifesto". Why, then, such interest in Lord of the Rings? "It touches something inside all of us" explains Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher Gilderoy Lockhart. "It addresses that deep need we all have to be able to face the dark lord and actually say his name. Sauron. Sauron. Look! Nothing's happening! Sauron!" The move to ban the book is not welcomed by all. "I've had a lot less trouble keeping the students out of the forbidden forest since that book became popular" says caretaker Hagrid. "Even the ones who have pet spiders of their own. Still, they know it's just a book. It's not as if we have some little chosen fellow running around HERE turning invisible". One of the hardest accusations leveled against the novel is that its popularity exposes muggles to the secret magical world. However the man best placed to confirm this insists that the opposite effect is taking place. "It used to be a nightmare keeping everyone out of sight of the muggles- I was swamped with work" says Arthur Weasley of the Ministry of Magic. "Nowadays we can just stroll down any street in our robes and people don't seem to notice. Except for the odd comment- I don't suppose you know the meaning of the muggle word ‘Fanboy'?" -Written by Steven Cavanagh, for Tolkienonline.com, 2001. ---------------------- Note: When this was published before it generated a lot of rabid fan reaction convinced that I was flaming their book of choice, or claiming that Rowling ripped off Tolkien, or they used this article to express their hate for the other book. I'm just having a little fun with some of the similarities. ###### From: "Robert J. Kolker" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien,alt.fan.harry-potter Subject: Re: News report: LOTR on Banned Texts List at Hogwarts References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Message-ID: <9ZaOa.24610$Ey6.11437@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.143.251 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net 1057569733 24.62.143.251 (Mon, 07 Jul 2003 09:22:13 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 09:22:13 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 09:22:13 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!cyclone.bc.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:119255 Kalor wrote: > ---------------------- > Note: When this was published before it generated a lot of rabid fan > reaction convinced that I was flaming their book of choice, or > claiming that Rowling ripped off Tolkien, or they used this article to > express their hate for the other book. I'm just having a little fun > with some of the similarities. I love Tolkiena, and I think you piece is a hoot! Bravo! Bob Kolker ###### From: "TitaniumWulf" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien,alt.fan.harry-potter Subject: Re: News report: LOTR on Banned Texts List at Hogwarts Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 12:47:09 +0100 Organization: University of Kent at Canterbury Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <9ZaOa.24610$Ey6.11437@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp3bab.ukc.ac.uk X-Trace: athena.ukc.ac.uk 1057578430 21692 129.12.59.171 (7 Jul 2003 11:47:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@ukc.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 11:47:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.space.net!newsfeed.stueberl.de!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!213.253.16.105.MISMATCH!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!server3.netnews.ja.net!athena.ukc.ac.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:119265 some of the similarities. > > I love Tolkiena, and I think you piece is a hoot! Bravo! I agree. Good stuff. Poor old Hairy Spotter... Wyatt ###### From: bethbriuk@yahoo.co.uk (brid) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien,alt.fan.harry-potter Subject: Re: News report: LOTR on Banned Texts List at Hogwarts Date: 7 Jul 2003 08:54:31 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <9ZaOa.24610$Ey6.11437@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.78.14.10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1057593271 27832 127.0.0.1 (7 Jul 2003 15:54:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jul 2003 15:54:31 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:119281 "Robert J. Kolker" wrote in message news:<9ZaOa.24610$Ey6.11437@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>... > Kalor wrote: > > > ---------------------- > > Note: When this was published before it generated a lot of rabid fan > > reaction convinced that I was flaming their book of choice, or > > claiming that Rowling ripped off Tolkien, or they used this article to > > express their hate for the other book. I'm just having a little fun > > with some of the similarities. > > I love Tolkiena, and I think you piece is a hoot! Bravo! > > Bob Kolker Brilliant!! now all we need is to have all references to Star wars to be banned and we can rest secure from the "I am your father Harry" trolls! ;-) BriD "...wand still in your jeans? Both buttocks still on? OK let's go..." ###### From: "Robert J. Kolker" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien,alt.fan.harry-potter Subject: Re: News report: LOTR on Banned Texts List at Hogwarts References: <9ZaOa.24610$Ey6.11437@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.143.251 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc01 1057593508 24.62.143.251 (Mon, 07 Jul 2003 15:58:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 15:58:28 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 15:58:28 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!sccrnsc01.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:119260 brid wrote: > > Brilliant!! now all we need is to have all references to Star wars to > be banned and we can rest secure from the "I am your father Harry" > trolls! ;-) > > BriD > "...wand still in your jeans? Both buttocks still on? OK let's go..." ###### From: "Robert J. Kolker" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien,alt.fan.harry-potter Subject: Re: News report: LOTR on Banned Texts List at Hogwarts References: <9ZaOa.24610$Ey6.11437@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Message-ID: <2QgOa.60173$Xm3.15661@sccrnsc02> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.143.251 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc02 1057593726 24.62.143.251 (Mon, 07 Jul 2003 16:02:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 16:02:06 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 16:02:06 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!sccrnsc02.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:119261 brid wrote: > Brilliant!! now all we need is to have all references to Star wars to > be banned and we can rest secure from the "I am your father Harry" > trolls! ;-) Voldermort: I am your father Harry. Together we shall rule Hogwarts and all the mudbloods. Harry: No! No! Bob Kolker ###### Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: News report: LOTR on Banned Texts List at Hogwarts From: "Scott L" Reply-To: scott644@insightbb.com References: X-Newsreader: News Rover 8.2.2 (http://www.NewsRover.com) Lines: 20 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.222.231.200 X-Complaints-To: abuse@insightbb.com X-Trace: sccrnsc01 1057633059 12.222.231.200 (Tue, 08 Jul 2003 02:57:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 02:57:39 GMT Organization: Insight Broadband Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 02:57:39 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc01.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:119285 On 7-Jul-2003, songbook@theforce.net (Kalor) wrote: > Note: When this was published before it generated a lot of rabid fan > reaction convinced that I was flaming their book of choice, or > claiming that Rowling ripped off Tolkien, or they used this article to > express their hate for the other book. I'm just having a little fun > with some of the similarities Very nice job. I can't imagine people taking this negatively. I loved it! Just a monkey, Scott -- Email me at scott followed by 644, at insightbb.com Visit me at http://4dw.net/moonfriend/index.html Never start it; always finish it I'm a hawk, because I'm a dove ###### From: OrionCA Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien,alt.fan.harry-potter Subject: Re: News report: LOTR on Banned Texts List at Hogwarts Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 23:58:38 -0700 Organization: Starship Enterprises Message-ID: <0sqkgvs8nugt42jobv6hnu0i5p6a7u6p3d@4ax.com> Cancel-Lock: sha1:GqnsX88L5TdwdXZQ1C6yaqQJXH4= References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NFilter: 1.2.1-b1 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!newsfeed.stueberl.de!proxad.net!freenix!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-04!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:119306 On 6 Jul 2003 23:28:46 -0700, songbook@theforce.net (Kalor) wrote: >Note: When this was published before it generated a lot of rabid fan >reaction convinced that I was flaming their book of choice, or >claiming that Rowling ripped off Tolkien, or they used this article to >express their hate for the other book. I'm just having a little fun >with some of the similarities. Don't ever, ever post this on the Tolkien newsgroups. They will come after you. -- I'm on a journey in search of myself. If I get back first, let me know that I'm looking for myself and don't let me leave. ###### From: Donald Shepherd Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien,alt.fan.harry-potter Subject: Re: News report: LOTR on Banned Texts List at Hogwarts Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:02:34 +1000 Organization: Sad Fuckers of the World Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <0sqkgvs8nugt42jobv6hnu0i5p6a7u6p3d@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: m080-171.nv.iinet.net.au (203.217.80.171) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1057651252 3158604 203.217.80.171 (16 [173710]) X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 X-Virus: I am a header virus. Please add me to your headers. X-Disclaimer: This is not to be taken seriously. If you are offended by any of the content herein, it's not intentional. Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!m080-171.nv.iinet.net.AU!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:119294 On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 23:58:38 -0700, OrionCA alleged... > On 6 Jul 2003 23:28:46 -0700, songbook@theforce.net (Kalor) wrote: > > >Note: When this was published before it generated a lot of rabid fan > >reaction convinced that I was flaming their book of choice, or > >claiming that Rowling ripped off Tolkien, or they used this article to > >express their hate for the other book. I'm just having a little fun > >with some of the similarities. > > Don't ever, ever post this on the Tolkien newsgroups. They will come > after you. *checks header* Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien,alt.fan.harry-potter *snigger* -- Donald Shepherd "Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die." - Mel Brooks ###### From: "The American" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien,alt.fan.harry-potter Subject: Re: News report: LOTR on Banned Texts List at Hogwarts Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:21:26 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 19 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed.uncensored-news.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:119293 "Kalor" wrote in message news:f10c3e4b.0307062228.49748291@posting.google.com... > The List of Banned and Forbidden Texts has been released again at > Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, Very good! What ARE the similarities to Middle Earth in the Potter books? I don't see any, really. One Giant Spider and an angry Willow tree? Kind of a weak argument IMO. Potter seems fresh and fun and original to me. T.A. ###### From: tuollaf43@yahoo.com (Tuollaf43) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien,alt.fan.harry-potter Subject: Re: News report: LOTR on Banned Texts List at Hogwarts Date: 11 Jul 2003 09:10:29 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.214.210.174 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1057939829 28919 127.0.0.1 (11 Jul 2003 16:10:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jul 2003 16:10:29 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:119422 "The American" wrote in message news:... > "Kalor" wrote in message > news:f10c3e4b.0307062228.49748291@posting.google.com... > > The List of Banned and Forbidden Texts has been released again at > > Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, > > Very good! > > What ARE the similarities to Middle Earth in the Potter books? > I don't see any, really. > > One Giant Spider and an angry Willow tree? > Kind of a weak argument IMO. > Snape is Gollum ofcourse - both slinker and stinker. And Cornelius Fudge is Tom Bombadill. Can Hagrid be anyone else but Gimli in a thin disguise. :P ###### From: "Robert J. Kolker" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien,alt.fan.harry-potter Subject: Re: News report: LOTR on Banned Texts List at Hogwarts References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.143.251 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net 1057940089 24.62.143.251 (Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:14:49 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:14:49 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:14:49 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:119425 Tuollaf43 wrote: > > Snape is Gollum ofcourse - both slinker and stinker. > And Cornelius Fudge is Tom Bombadill. > Can Hagrid be anyone else but Gimli in a thin disguise. And Harry is Frodo? How is that possible. His feet are not oversized and hairy. Bob Kolker ###### From: tuollaf43@yahoo.com (Tuollaf43) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien,alt.fan.harry-potter Subject: Re: News report: LOTR on Banned Texts List at Hogwarts Date: 11 Jul 2003 09:16:15 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.214.210.174 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1057940176 29139 127.0.0.1 (11 Jul 2003 16:16:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jul 2003 16:16:16 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:119421 "The American" wrote in message news:... > "Kalor" wrote in message > news:f10c3e4b.0307062228.49748291@posting.google.com... > > The List of Banned and Forbidden Texts has been released again at > > Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, > > Very good! > > What ARE the similarities to Middle Earth in the Potter books? > I don't see any, really. > > One Giant Spider and an angry Willow tree? > Kind of a weak argument IMO. > > Potter seems fresh and fun and original to me. > Snape: "Brat, Brat, Brat! Potters! We hates it, we hates it, we hates it for ever!" ###### From: Donald Shepherd Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien,alt.fan.harry-potter Subject: Re: News report: LOTR on Banned Texts List at Hogwarts Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 09:42:26 +1000 Organization: Sad Fuckers of the World Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: m080-171.nv.iinet.net.au (203.217.80.171) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1057966988 7728768 203.217.80.171 (16 [173710]) X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 X-Virus: I am a header virus. Please add me to your headers. X-Disclaimer: This is not to be taken seriously. If you are offended by any of the content herein, it's not intentional. Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!m080-171.nv.iinet.net.AU!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:119452 On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:14:49 GMT, Robert J. Kolker alleged... > > > Tuollaf43 wrote: > > > > > Snape is Gollum ofcourse - both slinker and stinker. > > And Cornelius Fudge is Tom Bombadill. > > Can Hagrid be anyone else but Gimli in a thin disguise. > > And Harry is Frodo? How is that possible. His feet are not oversized and > hairy. Just because Rowling left out Harry's daily shaving of his feet ritual doesn't mean it doesn't happen. ;) -- *Dlanod*, *the* *Sparkly* *Nazgul* Pimp of Morgoth, Worshipper of Arwen Lune, Rider of Ducks, Fool of AFT "If Tolkien had meant for us to have a sense of humor, he would have told us so." - Mark Reichart ###### From: conrad.dunkerson@worldnet.att.net (Conrad Dunkerson) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien,alt.fan.harry-potter Subject: Re: News report: LOTR on Banned Texts List at Hogwarts Date: 14 Jul 2003 10:42:35 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: <1178b6d1.0307140449.160a1361@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.42.51.28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1058204556 4130 127.0.0.1 (14 Jul 2003 17:42:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jul 2003 17:42:36 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:119506 "Robert J. Kolker" wrote in message news:... > And Harry is Frodo? How is that possible. His feet are not oversized and > hairy. Hobbit feet weren't over-sized... that's another movie invention. As to a comparison between Harry Potter and Frodo... well, they are both short male protagonists, and there the similarity ends. :) ###### From: Een wilde Ier Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien,alt.fan.harry-potter Subject: Re: News report: LOTR on Banned Texts List at Hogwarts Message-ID: References: <1178b6d1.0307140449.160a1361@posting.google.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/32.572 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:53:55 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.134.137.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@eircom.net X-Trace: news.indigo.ie 1058212393 159.134.137.209 (Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:53:13 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:53:13 BST Organization: Eircom.Net http://www.eircom.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!proxad.net!peer1.news.newnet.co.uk!peer1.news.newnet.co.uk!diablo.theplanet.net!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:119572 On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:55:56 -0700, Graham Lockwood wrote: >Conrad Dunkerson said: >{snip} >> Hobbit feet weren't over-sized... that's another movie invention. As >> to a comparison between Harry Potter and Frodo... well, they are both >> short male protagonists, and there the similarity ends. :) > >Well, to be fair to the movie makers, "real" hobbit feet are quite a bit >hairier on top and tougher on bottom than normal human feet. So they really >did need a full-foot prosthetic for the actors. The top was hairy and the >bottom thicker to protect their poor wittle feet as they ran around New >Zealand. And the adding of the prosthetic neccesarily enlarged their feet. Or else (as with so much else of the PJ films) they were simply copying what they had seen in the Bakshi film. cheers, David -- Journalist: Where in Northern Ireland will the two leaders meet? Ari Fleischer: Dublin. Press Briefing with Ari Fleischer, George W. Bush's chief spokesman April 4, 2003 ###### From: conrad.dunkerson@worldnet.att.net (Conrad Dunkerson) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien,alt.fan.harry-potter Subject: Re: News report: LOTR on Banned Texts List at Hogwarts Date: 15 Jul 2003 04:19:20 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 27 Message-ID: <1178b6d1.0307150319.1923ecf8@posting.google.com> References: <1178b6d1.0307140449.160a1361@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.42.51.28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1058267960 6987 127.0.0.1 (15 Jul 2003 11:19:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jul 2003 11:19:20 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:119562 Graham Lockwood wrote in message news:... > Well, to be fair to the movie makers, "real" hobbit feet are quite a bit > hairier on top and tougher on bottom than normal human feet. So they really > did need a full-foot prosthetic for the actors. The top was hairy and the > bottom thicker to protect their poor wittle feet as they ran around New > Zealand. And the adding of the prosthetic neccesarily enlarged their feet. All quite true, but from listening to the commentaries I got the distinct impression that they also just didn't know any better. We can always find a possible explanation, but in many cases the answer is probably just that they made a mistake. As another example, when the first movie came out there was a discussion here about why Sting glowed in Moria but Glamdring didn't. The theory put forth was that maybe they didn't want to confuse the audience since it had not been explained that Gandalf's sword was elvish like Sting. However, one of the three writers mentioned getting asked about this (think it was Boyens) and Jackson seemed confused as to why Gandalf's sword should glow. That said, for the majority of the movies we don't actually SEE their feet. Sean Astin actually kept a tally of how many days he had to wear the prosthetics and yet his feet were never filmed... it was somewhere north of 100 days as I recall. It might well have been possible to just apply fake hair to the tops of the feet and just give them a stick-on prosthetic sole to protect the bottom of their feet. ###### Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien,alt.fan.harry-potter References: <1178b6d1.0307140449.160a1361@posting.google.com> From: frodo@ameritech.net Subject: Re: News report: LOTR on Banned Texts List at Hogwarts Message-ID: <3f141351$1$sebqb$mr2ice@news.chi.sbcglobal.net> X-Newsreader: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for Windows v2.35w/35 (Unregistered) Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.75.169.121 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssrv26.news.prodigy.com 1058280229 ST000 68.75.169.121 (Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:43:49 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:43:49 EDT Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: TSU[@I_AOPWWSQXYAR]N\BPDFKUZRVLHWY\Z]\YIBATBDTICYFW[QB[YHL\DHWWIDFCGZAZLUNYZ_J_A[NVC^PPFINVOIPXHDPX@BQ[@J\RJADL^GSF\X\W@@\BQJJFNB\ZMKHRLZY^MFKSSDL^GOIW^GSY@FRWHMQ[GPBGACCFLAQ@F\L@J\\LGY^TUAVBM Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:43:49 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!nntp.infostrada.it!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssrv26.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:119574 In <1178b6d1.0307140449.160a1361@posting.google.com>, on 07/14/03 at 10:42 AM, conrad.dunkerson@worldnet.att.net (Conrad Dunkerson) said: If the idea that hobbits have over-sized feet comes from the movies, that is something that simply could not be avoided given that the characters in the movie were wearing plastic feet. In hindsight, it *might* have been better just to make up the actors' own feet. But that's neither hair nor there now, I suppose. :) >"Robert J. Kolker" wrote in message >news:... >> And Harry is Frodo? How is that possible. His feet are not oversized and >> hairy. >Hobbit feet weren't over-sized... that's another movie invention. As to >a comparison between Harry Potter and Frodo... well, they are both short >male protagonists, and there the similarity ends. :) -- ----------------------------------------------------------- frodo@ameritech.net ----------------------------------------------------------- ###### From: snark^ Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien,alt.fan.harry-potter Subject: Re: News report: LOTR on Banned Texts List at Hogwarts Organization: snark^ internotional Message-ID: References: <1178b6d1.0307140449.160a1361@posting.google.com> <1178b6d1.0307150319.1923ecf8@posting.google.com> <57v2ivotsogm7mjcrjhls7bpf53h9ruqig@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:55:44 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.156.103 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tsnz.net X-Trace: news02.tsnz.net 1059479618 203.96.156.103 (Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:53:38 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:53:38 NZST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.stueberl.de!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!128.242.171.84.MISMATCH!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!In.nntp.be!newsfeed01.tsnz.net!news02.tsnz.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:120007 =>> The runes were cast, the portents thundered and then Brenda Selwyn warbled on about "LOTR on Banned Texts List at Hogwarts" in a.f.h-p <<= > .... [snip discussion of prosthetic hobbit feet] .... > I wonder how easy it would have been to get the soles to stay on? > ISTR there being some problems with the feet they did use coming off > because the actors' sweat melted the glue or something. It got a mention at one point on the actors commentary track for the SE DVD: basically the other three hobbits were bagging Elijah Wood for having the sweatiest feet and needing to get his feet reapplied by lunchtime. Tig! -- I've seen things you newbies wouldn't believe. Advert-spammers aflame off the shoulder of rec.arts.sf.written. I watched Cancel posts glitter in the ether near the waikato.ac.nz gateway. All those moments will be lost in time -- like beers in the rain. Time to unsubscribe.