Lines: 3 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: wilbur07@aol.com (Mark Constantino) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Date: 26 Oct 2002 03:15:44 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Silmarils at Sothebys Message-ID: <20021025231544.12280.00000544@mb-ml.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97248 How much do you think one of these bebes would fetch on our open market? I'm guessing around 100 million pounds or dollars, or the same as the Hope Diamond. Whaddya all say? ###### From: shermanlee1@hotmail.com (Johnny1A) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Silmarils at Sothebys Date: 26 Oct 2002 10:12:51 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <20021025231544.12280.00000544@mb-ml.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.206.150.210 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1035652371 17238 127.0.0.1 (26 Oct 2002 17:12:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Oct 2002 17:12:51 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed-west.nntpserver.com!hub1.meganetnews.com!nntpserver.com!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97262 wilbur07@aol.com (Mark Constantino) wrote in message news:<20021025231544.12280.00000544@mb-ml.aol.com>... > How much do you think one of these bebes would fetch on our open market? I'm > guessing around 100 million pounds or dollars, or the same as the Hope Diamond. > Whaddya all say? Ironic that you compare it to the Hope Diamond. After all, according to the _Silmarillion_, Maglor is still around. If somebody recovers a Silmaril and words gets out, the Oath will compel him to try to take it away... Shermanlee ###### From: Jussi Jaatinen Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Silmarils at Sothebys Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 17:15:50 +0200 Organization: Elisa Internet customer Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3DBC0326.5B073832@kolumbus.fi> References: <20021025231544.12280.00000544@mb-ml.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ui123i21hel.dial.kolumbus.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: phys-news1.kolumbus.fi 1035731426 1278 62.248.190.123 (27 Oct 2002 15:10:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@kolumbus.fi NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 15:10:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en X-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 16:10:27 MET (news01.chello.no) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news.algonet.se!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!algonet!news01.chello.se!news01.chello.no!Norway.EU.net!uio.no!newsfeed.song.fi!newsfeed.kolumbus.fi!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97318 > How much do you think one of these bebes would fetch on our open market? I'm > guessing around 100 million pounds or dollars, or the same as the Hope Diamond. > Whaddya all say? I'd guess that they wouldn't be sold at Sothebys but wind up locked in deep, underground bunkers and jealously guarded by whatever power somehow gets them. These are, after all, devices that can change the face of the Earth. In a darker analogy, would they sell a hydrogen bomb at Sothebys? And yet there exist H-bombs in the world in the thousands and any one of dozens of countries could build more. -JJ ###### From: Stan Brown Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Silmarils at Sothebys Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 15:46:20 -0500 Organization: Oak Road Systems Message-ID: References: <20021025231544.12280.00000544@mb-ml.aol.com> <3DBC0326.5B073832@kolumbus.fi> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.60 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 17 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97463 Jussi Jaatinen wrote in rec.arts.books.tolkien: >These are, after all, devices that can change the face of the Earth. How, pray tell? I've never understood this. Sure, they were pretty, but did they have any actual powers other than some sort of healing of Arda if they were broken open? -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Cortland County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com Tolkien FAQs: http://Tolkien.slimy.com (Steuard Jensen's site) Tolkien letters FAQ: http://users.telerama.com/~taliesen/tolkien/lettersfaq.html FAQ of the Rings: http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/ringfaq.htm Encyclopedia of Arda: http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.htm more FAQs: http://oakroadsystems.com/tech/faqget.htm ###### From: Pradera Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Silmarils at Sothebys Date: 27 Oct 2002 21:52:35 GMT Organization: Your Company Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <20021025231544.12280.00000544@mb-ml.aol.com> <3DBC0326.5B073832@kolumbus.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: 42-moo-3.acn.waw.pl (62.121.78.42) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1035755555 1668828 62.121.78.42 (16 [146550]) User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!42-moo-3.acn.waw.PL!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97532 On 27 pa? 2002, Stan Brown scribbled loosely: >>These are, after all, devices that can change the face of the Earth. > > How, pray tell? I've never understood this. Sure, they were pretty, > but did they have any actual powers other than some sort of healing > of Arda if they were broken open? Well, there's this quote about 'fates of Arda are sealed therein'... but I'm not sure what this means. -- Pradera --- Akai suna no ue ni saita shiroi hana Daiyou no mashita de yureru chiisana kage Tori no mure ga naiteiru Douzo Douzo Shiawase ni http://www.pradera-castle.prv.pl/ ###### From: CLV1@balJUNKcab.ch (CleV) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Silmarils at Sothebys Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 00:08:03 GMT Organization: ImproWare AG Network Services - Usenet News Service Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3dbc7f7e.10431452@news.balcab.ch> References: <20021025231544.12280.00000544@mb-ml.aol.com> <3DBC0326.5B073832@kolumbus.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.catv12.balcab.ch X-Trace: news.imp.ch 1035763710 90398 213.200.12.156 (28 Oct 2002 00:08:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@imp.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 00:08:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newsfeed.vmunix.org!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!imp.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97345 On 27 Oct 2002 21:52:35 GMT, Pradera wrote: >On 27 pa? 2002, Stan Brown scribbled loosely: >>>These are, after all, devices that can change the face of the Earth. >> How, pray tell? I've never understood this. Sure, they were pretty, >> but did they have any actual powers other than some sort of healing >> of Arda if they were broken open? >Well, there's this quote about 'fates of Arda are sealed therein'... but >I'm not sure what this means. They played a big part in the "fates" of the First Age and were not destined to play another role until the very end, so I assume (:-)) that were they to be found today, they'd just be big baubles ... ###### From: shermanlee1@hotmail.com (Johnny1A) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Silmarils at Sothebys Date: 28 Oct 2002 00:11:21 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <20021025231544.12280.00000544@mb-ml.aol.com> <3DBC0326.5B073832@kolumbus.fi> <3dbc7f7e.10431452@news.balcab.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.206.150.98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1035792681 12660 127.0.0.1 (28 Oct 2002 08:11:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Oct 2002 08:11:21 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97467 CLV1@balJUNKcab.ch (CleV) wrote in message news:<3dbc7f7e.10431452@news.balcab.ch>... > On 27 Oct 2002 21:52:35 GMT, Pradera wrote: > > >On 27 pa? 2002, Stan Brown scribbled loosely: > > >>>These are, after all, devices that can change the face of the Earth. > > >> How, pray tell? I've never understood this. Sure, they were pretty, > >> but did they have any actual powers other than some sort of healing > >> of Arda if they were broken open? > > >Well, there's this quote about 'fates of Arda are sealed therein'... but > >I'm not sure what this means. > > They played a big part in the "fates" of the First Age and were not > destined to play another role until the very end, so I assume (:-)) > that were they to be found today, they'd just be big baubles ... Actually, I would assume that if they were found today, that might be a good indicator that the End was not that far away... Shermanlee ###### From: Jussi Jaatinen Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Silmarils at Sothebys Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:22:42 +0200 Organization: Elisa Internet customer Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3DBD2C12.578AB805@kolumbus.fi> References: <20021025231544.12280.00000544@mb-ml.aol.com> <3DBC0326.5B073832@kolumbus.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: ui73i10hel.dial.kolumbus.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: phys-news1.kolumbus.fi 1035807439 703 62.248.179.73 (28 Oct 2002 12:17:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@kolumbus.fi NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:17:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!newsfeed.vmunix.org!uio.no!newsfeed.song.fi!newsfeed.kolumbus.fi!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97321 Stan Brown wrote: > >These are, after all, devices that can change the face of the Earth. > How, pray tell? I've never understood this. Sure, they were pretty, > but did they have any actual powers other than some sort of healing > of Arda if they were broken open? Obviously, if they were found the Valar might send someone to collect them, and then the two trees could be reborn and the marring of Arda substantially healed. So IMO they are by far the most important single (well, three) objects in existence, since they would allow for humans to reach an entirely new level of existence, like the Elves reached when they moved to Valinor. Think of it like the cure for cancer, except that it cures practically everything else, too. (this is one of the few newsgroups where you can start a sentence like that with "obviously"...) -JJ ###### From: shermanlee1@hotmail.com (Johnny1A) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Silmarils at Sothebys Date: 28 Oct 2002 19:13:36 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <20021025231544.12280.00000544@mb-ml.aol.com> <3DBC0326.5B073832@kolumbus.fi> <3DBD2C12.578AB805@kolumbus.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.206.150.169 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1035861216 32408 127.0.0.1 (29 Oct 2002 03:13:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Oct 2002 03:13:36 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97718 Jussi Jaatinen wrote in message news:<3DBD2C12.578AB805@kolumbus.fi>... > Stan Brown wrote: > > > >These are, after all, devices that can change the face of the Earth. > > How, pray tell? I've never understood this. Sure, they were pretty, > > but did they have any actual powers other than some sort of healing > > of Arda if they were broken open? > > Obviously, if they were found the Valar might send someone to collect > them, and then the two trees could be reborn and the marring of Arda > substantially healed. So IMO they are by far the most important single > (well, three) objects in existence, since they would allow for humans to > reach an entirely new level of existence, like the Elves reached when > they moved to Valinor. Think of it like the cure for cancer, except that > it cures practically everything else, too. > > (this is one of the few newsgroups where you can start a sentence like > that with "obviously"...) > > -JJ Except that even now, only _Feanor_ could break them, and he's not coming out of the Halls of Mandos until the End. Not even Aule knows how to break the Silmarils. Shermanlee ###### From: Pradera Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Silmarils at Sothebys Date: 29 Oct 2002 08:01:50 GMT Organization: Your Company Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <20021025231544.12280.00000544@mb-ml.aol.com> <3DBC0326.5B073832@kolumbus.fi> <3DBD2C12.578AB805@kolumbus.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: 42-moo-3.acn.waw.pl (62.121.78.42) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1035878510 2770189 62.121.78.42 (16 [146550]) User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeeder.edisontel.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!42-moo-3.acn.waw.PL!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97735 On 29 pa? 2002, shermanlee1@hotmail.com (Johnny1A) scribbled loosely: > > Except that even now, only _Feanor_ could break them, and he's not > coming out of the Halls of Mandos until the End. > > Not even Aule knows how to break the Silmarils. > > You have to throw it into the volcano where they were forged... -- Pradera --- Akai suna no ue ni saita shiroi hana Daiyou no mashita de yureru chiisana kage Tori no mure ga naiteiru Douzo Douzo Shiawase ni http://www.pradera-castle.prv.pl/ ###### From: Jussi Jaatinen Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Silmarils at Sothebys Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 15:27:39 +0200 Organization: Elisa Internet customer Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3DC3D2CB.16896C2F@kolumbus.fi> References: <20021025231544.12280.00000544@mb-ml.aol.com> <3DBC0326.5B073832@kolumbus.fi> <3DBD2C12.578AB805@kolumbus.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: ui173i16hel.dial.kolumbus.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: phys-news1.kolumbus.fi 1036243331 23292 62.248.185.173 (2 Nov 2002 13:22:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@kolumbus.fi NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:22:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!newsfeed.vmunix.org!uio.no!newsfeed.song.fi!newsfeed.kolumbus.fi!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97949 > Except that even now, only _Feanor_ could break them, and he's not > coming out of the Halls of Mandos until the End. If the Silmarils were to be delivered to Valinor, there's a good chance Mandos would allow for Feanor to be reborn expressly for this purpose. Since Earendil already has one, the Valar only need the 2 remaining ones. -JJ