Lines: 22 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: go4tcross@cs.comedy (Luke Hoffmann) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Date: 24 Oct 2002 03:19:41 GMT Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Tolkien references in other books Message-ID: <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!wanadoo.fr!proxad.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!grr!feed1.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97123 Has anyone ever come across references to a Tolkien book or character in another fictional book? I found one while reading an X-Men book The main enemy in the book is called Sauron. I wondered if the name was borrowed, until I found the reference. It's unusual for one author's fictional characters to discuss another's characters. "...like Tolkien's arch-villain in The Lord of the Rings, from whence Lycos pilfered his alias." "We not only don't know where his Barad-Dur lies, we don't even know which part of the Savage Land serves as his Mordor...." There was also a reference to The Hobbit, but it was small. Luke Hoffmann I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve. -Bilbo Baggins ###### Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien From: AC Subject: Re: Tolkien references in other books References: <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com> Reply-To: spam@nospam.com.invalid Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Lines: 9 X-Complaints-To: abuse@randori.com - Please include ALL headers only, thanks. Organization: Randori News - http://www.randori.com - Try our FREE Usenet Scanner! Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 03:24:34 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!proxad.net!proxad.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!newsfeeder.randori.com!news2.randori.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97157 In article <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com>, Luke Hoffmann wrote: > Has anyone ever come across references to a Tolkien book or character in > another fictional book? There's a description of the Jovian moon Io in Arthur C. Clark's 2010 describing it resembling Mount Doom. -- AC ###### From: notReallyUrban@reallyPanix.com Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien references in other books Date: 23 Oct 2002 23:52:21 -0400 Organization: PANIX -- Public Access Networks Corp. Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1035431541 11623 166.84.1.3 (24 Oct 2002 03:52:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 03:52:21 +0000 (UTC) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!cyclone.bc.net!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!panix3.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97085 In article <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com>, Luke Hoffmann wrote: >Has anyone ever come across references to a Tolkien book or character in >another fictional book? From Diane Duane's "Wizard's Dilemma" (2001): "They walked through fifteen or twenty universes more. ... In another he stood on a long narrow spit of land pushing out into a turbulent sea, while the waves crashed all around him, and waited what seemed like nearly an hour for what he knew was coming: a fleet of huge-sailed ships that came riding up out of a terrible storm and with difficulty made landfall by that strange new shore. "As the last of the strangers came up out of the sea and into their new home, bearing their black banner with its single white tree, ..." ###### From: Donald Shepherd Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien references in other books Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 14:01:31 +1000 Organization: Sad Fuckers of the World Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: emc-203-100-22-231.resnet.uq.edu.au X-Trace: bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au 1035432127 28205 203.100.22.231 (24 Oct 2002 04:02:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@uq.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Oct 2002 04:02:07 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 X-Virus: I am a header virus. Please add me to your headers. Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.optus.net.au!optus!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97146 In article <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com>, go4tcross@cs.comedy says... > Has anyone ever come across references to a Tolkien book or character in > another fictional book? It receives several mentions in Tad Williams' Otherland series. -- Donald Shepherd "To be old and wise you must first be young and stupid" ###### From: massar@alum.mit.edu (JP Massar) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien references in other books Message-ID: <3db771f1.13189030@netnews.attbi.com> References: <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.233.254.142 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net 1035432528 12.233.254.142 (Thu, 24 Oct 2002 04:08:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 04:08:48 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 04:08:48 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-server.caltech.edu!attla2!ip.att.net!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97102 On 24 Oct 2002 03:19:41 GMT, go4tcross@cs.comedy (Luke Hoffmann) wrote: >Has anyone ever come across references to a Tolkien book or character in >another fictional book? > Not fiction, but I was amused today to see that 2nd edition of C++ by Bjarne Stroustrup has "The road goes ever on and on. --Bilbo Baggins" as the quote for the beginning of the Preface. ###### From: cee@eatspammindspring.com (C. M. Malm) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien references in other books Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 04:21:46 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3db77515.45155860@news.mindspring.com> References: <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.27.44.dd X-Server-Date: 24 Oct 2002 04:21:22 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeeder.edisontel.com!skynet.be!skynet.be!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97109 On 24 Oct 2002 03:19:41 GMT, go4tcross@cs.comedy (Luke Hoffmann) took keyboard in hand and typed: >Has anyone ever come across references to a Tolkien book or character in >another fictional book? There are a few (rather pointless, IMO) references to some names from Tolkien in Kim Stanley Robinson's _Red Mars_. Cee --- remove spamblocker to reply "It is not our part here to take thought only for a season, or for a few lives of Men, or for a passing age of the world. We should seek a final end of this menace, even if we do not hope to make one." "In all the long wars with the Dark Tower treason has ever been our greatest foe." - Gandalf (The Fellowship of the Ring) ###### Message-ID: <3DB7AC69.EF181559@aon.at> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:16:41 +0200 From: Georg =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=F6negger?= X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien references in other books References: <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: M357P029.adsl.highway.telekom.at X-Trace: 1035447373 newsreader01.highway.telekom.at 11670 62.47.212.157 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!newsfeed.vmunix.org!newsfeed.eunet.at!news.netway.at!newsfeed01.univie.ac.at!newsfeed01.highway.telekom.at!newsreader01.highway.telekom.at!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97205 Luke Hoffmann schrieb: > > Has anyone ever come across references to a Tolkien book or character in > another fictional book? > > I found one while reading an X-Men book > > The main enemy in the book is called Sauron. I wondered if the name was > borrowed, until I found the reference. It's unusual for one author's fictional > characters to discuss another's characters. > > "...like Tolkien's arch-villain in The Lord of the Rings, from whence Lycos > pilfered his alias." > > "We not only don't know where his Barad-Dur lies, we don't even know which part > of the Savage Land serves as his Mordor...." > > There was also a reference to The Hobbit, but it was small. > > Luke Hoffmann > > I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than > half of you half as well as you deserve. -Bilbo Baggins in stephenson's 'cryptonomicon', fantasy roleplaying plays an important part and, if i remember correctly, there are groups of people characterised by tolkien's peoples (hobbits, dwarves ...). georg ###### From: Pradera Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien references in other books Date: 24 Oct 2002 08:36:07 GMT Organization: Your Company Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com> <3DB7AC69.EF181559@aon.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: 42-moo-3.acn.waw.pl (62.121.78.42) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1035448567 29142407 62.121.78.42 (16 [146550]) User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!nntp.infostrada.it!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!42-moo-3.acn.waw.PL!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97210 On 24 pa? 2002, Georg Schönegger scribbled loosely: > in stephenson's 'cryptonomicon', fantasy roleplaying plays an important > part and, if i remember correctly, there are groups of people > characterised by tolkien's peoples (hobbits, dwarves ...). > Ummm that's D&D people, not Tolkien. Otherwise you'd have to note all D&D novels as referencing to Tolkien -- Pradera --- Akai suna no ue ni saita shiroi hana Daiyou no mashita de yureru chiisana kage Tori no mure ga naiteiru Douzo Douzo Shiawase ni http://www.pradera-castle.prv.pl/ ###### From: leifmk@pvv.ntnu.no (Leif Magnar Kj|nn|y) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien references in other books Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:02:10 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Norwegian University of Science and Technology Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: verden.pvv.ntnu.no X-Trace: tyfon.itea.ntnu.no 1035450130 10493 129.241.210.224 (24 Oct 2002 09:02:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@itea.ntnu.no NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:02:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test75 (Feb 13, 2001) Originator: leifmk@pvv.ntnu.no (Leif Magnar Kj|nn|y) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed1.ulv.nextra.no!nextra.com!uio.no!ntnu.no!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97104 In article <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com>, Luke Hoffmann wrote: >Has anyone ever come across references to a Tolkien book or character in >another fictional book? Plenty, usually in the form of references made by some character who has obviously read Tolkien. These characters are often described as "hippie" types or else as "nerds". Like (just to pick an example) in Stirling's "Island in the Sea of Time" series, where one such aging hippie refers to the area controlled by the bad guy as "Mordor". -- Leif Kj{\o}nn{\o}y | "Its habit of getting up late you'll agree www.pvv.org/~leifmk| That it carries too far, when I say Math geek and gamer| That it frequently breakfasts at five-o'clock tea, GURPS, Harn, CORPS | And dines on the following day." (Carroll) ###### Message-ID: <3DB7C6C5.1A93BF92@aon.at> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:09:09 +0200 From: Georg =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=F6negger?= X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien references in other books References: <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com> <3DB7AC69.EF181559@aon.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: M357P029.adsl.highway.telekom.at X-Trace: 1035454121 newsreader02.highway.telekom.at 39606 62.47.212.157 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!newsfeed.hanau.net!news-fra1.dfn.de!newsfeed01.univie.ac.at!newsfeed01.highway.telekom.at!newsreader02.highway.telekom.at!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97206 Pradera schrieb: > > On 24 pa? 2002, Georg Schönegger scribbled loosely: > > > in stephenson's 'cryptonomicon', fantasy roleplaying plays an important > > part and, if i remember correctly, there are groups of people > > characterised by tolkien's peoples (hobbits, dwarves ...). > > > > Ummm that's D&D people, not Tolkien. Otherwise you'd have to note all D&D > novels as referencing to Tolkien > > -- > Pradera > --- > Akai suna no ue ni saita shiroi hana > Daiyou no mashita de yureru chiisana kage > Tori no mure ga naiteiru > Douzo Douzo Shiawase ni > > http://www.pradera-castle.prv.pl/ they were a kind of d&d people, that's true, but i wouldn't have mentioned it if tolkien's name didn't come up in the book, at least i'm pretty sure about that - it's quite a voluminous thing and i have no intention of reading it again just to check the quotes. maybe someone else could help? (seems as if it sold rather nicely) georg ###### Message-ID: <3DB7CA91.CF65A6CE@aon.at> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:25:21 +0200 From: Georg =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=F6negger?= X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien references in other books References: <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com> <3DB7AC69.EF181559@aon.at> <3DB7C6C5.1A93BF92@aon.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: M357P029.adsl.highway.telekom.at X-Trace: 1035455093 newsreader02.highway.telekom.at 39606 62.47.212.157 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!newsfeed.vmunix.org!newsfeed.hanau.net!news-fra1.dfn.de!newsfeed01.univie.ac.at!newsfeed01.highway.telekom.at!newsreader02.highway.telekom.at!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97214 Georg Schönegger schrieb: > > Pradera schrieb: > > > > On 24 pa? 2002, Georg Schönegger scribbled loosely: > > > > > in stephenson's 'cryptonomicon', fantasy roleplaying plays an important > > > part and, if i remember correctly, there are groups of people > > > characterised by tolkien's peoples (hobbits, dwarves ...). > > > > > > > Ummm that's D&D people, not Tolkien. Otherwise you'd have to note all D&D > > novels as referencing to Tolkien > > > > -- > > Pradera > > --- > > Akai suna no ue ni saita shiroi hana > > Daiyou no mashita de yureru chiisana kage > > Tori no mure ga naiteiru > > Douzo Douzo Shiawase ni > > > > http://www.pradera-castle.prv.pl/ > > they were a kind of d&d people, that's true, but i wouldn't have > mentioned it if tolkien's name didn't come up in the book, at least i'm > pretty sure about that - it's quite a voluminous thing and i have no > intention of reading it again just to check the quotes. maybe someone > else could help? (seems as if it sold rather nicely) > > georg p.s.: a little googling didn't bring up the quotes, but, among a lot of other references, a funny review: http://www.ilikejason.com/sf/neal5.htm now, i really don't know if 'middle earth' is named in the book, but it seems that quite a lot of people (me among them) observed the tolkien connections. since the other obvious connection is 'gravity's rainbow', one suspects that stephenson tried hard for the 'great weird boy book'-thing (there is even a taste of 'ulysses'!) georg ###### From: stealthy_tanuki@-remove-yahoo.com Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien references in other books Organization: Cryptic Message-ID: <7nifrugr56ou900ghbsr9k603d82hlaqs3@4ax.com> References: <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:27:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.88.106.5 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1035455260 12.88.106.5 (Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:27:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:27:40 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!204.127.161.6.MISMATCH!wn12feed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97199 On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 03:24:34 GMT, AC wrote: >In article <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com>, Luke Hoffmann wrote: >> Has anyone ever come across references to a Tolkien book or character in >> another fictional book? > >There's a description of the Jovian moon Io in Arthur C. Clark's 2010 >describing it resembling Mount Doom. Heinlein's "Glory Road" where one character remarks "well, just don't make a hobbit of it" -- Sindamor Pandaturion [remove -remove- to reply] ###### From: buhrger@ecn.ab.ca () Subject: Re: Tolkien references in other books Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com> <3DB7AC69.EF181559@aon.at> Organization: Edmonton Community Network X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2.6] Lines: 27 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 14:43:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.206.2 X-Trace: localhost 1035470606 198.161.206.2 (Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:43:26 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:43:26 MDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!cyclone.bc.net!news.uunet.ca!localhost!buhrger Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97055 Pradera (pradera@pradera.prv.pl) wrote: : On 24 pa? 2002, Georg Schönegger scribbled loosely: : > in stephenson's 'cryptonomicon', fantasy roleplaying plays an important : > part and, if i remember correctly, there are groups of people : > characterised by tolkien's peoples (hobbits, dwarves ...). : > : Ummm that's D&D people, not Tolkien. Otherwise you'd have to note all D&D : novels as referencing to Tolkien stephenson does explicitly refer to *both* fantasy roleplaying *and* tolkien - one of the protagonists classifies people into hobbits, elves, dwarves, wizards, and (in one case) gollum. unfortunately, he also suggests that dwarves forged rings of power.... oh well, still mostly a really good book. come to think of it, stephenson makes at least one tolkien reference (the details of which have left my feeble memory) in his earlier novel "zodiac" as well. ajb -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Buhr buhrger@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Savour the Irony! http://freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~buhrger ###### From: geoduck@webave.com (Geoduck) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien references in other books Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:07:48 GMT Organization: Geoducks Forever Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3db82896.4207607@nnrp.atgi.net> References: <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com> Reply-To: geoduck@webave.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 64-42-61-238.atgi.net X-Trace: nnrp.atgi.net 1035479340 15992 64.42.61.238 (24 Oct 2002 17:09:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@atgi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:09:00 +0000 (UTC) Keywords: fnord X-Face: ^w`SR8R8?8Zj:n/X;4k-#NX(z?)JQ`&py16%}'likbP2~n^dxk4r3ci++#l6-8`.3m]^w\%*T4m;a2N0Q$S_]U>,V{lKBmvTzE'+xpbNElX<%89xC`s>ty8lA|&W&euaUOKa8rbdZ5v#[9\jr7_k(RpcZ\._FqT&NZKN*j_`s%I53git X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!cyclone.bc.net!HSNX.atgi.net!nnrp.atgi.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97052 On 24 Oct 2002 03:19:41 GMT, go4tcross@cs.comedy (Luke Hoffmann) wrote: >Has anyone ever come across references to a Tolkien book or character in >another fictional book? (snip) Robert Asprin's latest book _Something M.Y.T.H. inc_ contains a bit where some characters try unsuccessfully to use Tolkien's work to solve their problems. -- Geoduck http://www.olywa.net/cook ###### From: "GandalfSC" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com> <3DB7AC69.EF181559@aon.at> Subject: Re: Tolkien references in other books Lines: 48 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:46:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.59.144.175 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyroc.rr.com 1035481575 24.59.144.175 (Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:46:15 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:46:15 EDT Organization: Road Runner Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!cyclone-out.nyroc.rr.com!twister.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97166 wrote in message news:iGTt9.5050$i%.1336731@localhost... > Pradera (pradera@pradera.prv.pl) wrote: > : On 24 pa? 2002, Georg Schönegger scribbled loosely: > > : > in stephenson's 'cryptonomicon', fantasy roleplaying plays an important > : > part and, if i remember correctly, there are groups of people > : > characterised by tolkien's peoples (hobbits, dwarves ...). > : > > > : Ummm that's D&D people, not Tolkien. Otherwise you'd have to note all D&D > : novels as referencing to Tolkien > > > stephenson does explicitly refer to *both* fantasy roleplaying *and* > tolkien - one of the protagonists classifies people into hobbits, elves, > dwarves, wizards, and (in one case) gollum. unfortunately, he also > suggests that dwarves forged rings of power.... oh well, still mostly a > really good book. > come to think of it, stephenson makes at least one tolkien reference (the > details of which have left my feeble memory) in his earlier novel "zodiac" > as well. > > ajb > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Andrew Buhr buhrger@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca > Savour the Irony! http://freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~buhrger I have _Cryptonomicon_. The reference to Tolkien begins on page 80 of the, iirc Trade sized paper back. Start quote "Tolkien's Dwarves were stout, taciturn, vaguely magical characters who spent a lot of time in the dark hammering out beautiful things, e.g. Rings of Power." End quote. The reference continues on to page 81 GandalfSC -- Here we go again... ###### From: "Jeffrey Boydstun" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com> Subject: Re: Tolkien references in other books Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 148.63.82.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@starband.net X-Trace: twister2.starband.net 1035491503 148.63.82.128 (Thu, 24 Oct 2002 16:31:21 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 16:31:21 EDT Organization: Starband Communications Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 20:31:21 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.starband.net!twister2.starband.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97189 "Luke Hoffmann" wrote in message news:20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com... > Has anyone ever come across references to a Tolkien book or character in > another fictional book? Terry Brooks, _The Tangle Box_. That wizardy guy and his crow are discussing where to go, and the crow says something like "what about that place with the yellow brick road, and those Munchies, or whatever you call them." The wizard goes, "That's a book, Biggar." And the bird goes, "Oh. Then how about that place with those little people with the furry feet?" In case you didn't notice, all of the above is extremely paraphrased. -- It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations. -- J.R.R. Tolkien, The Hobbit Never laugh at live dragons. -- J.R.R. Tolkien, The Hobbit May the stars of Varda shine over you, may Manwë blow sweet winds toward you, and may the trees of Yavanna long shelter you. May Lórien and Estë send you dreams that are sweet, and may Mandos long bar you from his Halls (which are the Halls of death) ###### From: Pradera Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien references in other books Date: 24 Oct 2002 21:32:34 GMT Organization: Your Company Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 42-moo-3.acn.waw.pl (62.121.78.42) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1035495154 30216338 62.121.78.42 (16 [146550]) User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!42-moo-3.acn.waw.PL!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97207 On 24 paz 2002, "Jeffrey Boydstun" scribbled loosely: >> Has anyone ever come across references to a Tolkien book or character >> in another fictional book? > > Terry Brooks, _The Tangle Box_. That wizardy guy and his crow are > discussing where to go, and the crow says something like "what about > that place with the yellow brick road, and those Munchies, or whatever > you call them." The wizard goes, "That's a book, Biggar." And the > bird goes, "Oh. Then how about that place with those little people > with the furry feet?" In case you didn't notice, all of the above is > extremely paraphrased. > > Oh, and while we're at it - Weiss&Hickmann's 'Deathgate Cycle' has this crazy wizard Zifnab, who keeps muttering quotes from various 'cult' sf&fantasy works, like Star Wars, Dragonlance (W&H's own :) and Tolkien. IIRC, he makes references to fight between Gandalf & Balrog... -- Pradera --- Akai suna no ue ni saita shiroi hana Daiyou no mashita de yureru chiisana kage Tori no mure ga naiteiru Douzo Douzo Shiawase ni http://www.pradera-castle.prv.pl/ ###### From: Andy Cooke Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien references in other books Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 23:58:01 +0100 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3DB87AF9.361340E@hotmail.com> References: <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com> Reply-To: cooke_adrian@hotmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.134.251.57 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 1035500044 28432 217.134.251.57 (24 Oct 2002 22:54:05 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Oct 2002 22:54:05 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!freenix!proxad.net!peer1.news.newnet.co.uk!shale.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97045 Luke Hoffmann wrote: > > Has anyone ever come across references to a Tolkien book or character in > another fictional book? > In Stephen King's "Insomnia", there was a prominent plain gold ring. The protagonist mused (on several occasions) about the similarity to The One Ring from LoTR. -- Andy Cooke ###### Lines: 19 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: go4tcross@cs.comedy (Luke Hoffmann) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Date: 25 Oct 2002 02:48:55 GMT References: <3DB87AF9.361340E@hotmail.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Tolkien references in other books Message-ID: <20021024224855.17711.00000020@mb-fd.news.cs.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newsfeed.vmunix.org!newsfeed.hanau.net!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97117 >Luke Hoffmann wrote: >> >> Has anyone ever come across references to a Tolkien book or character in >> another fictional book? >> > >In Stephen King's "Insomnia", there was a prominent plain gold >ring. The protagonist mused (on several occasions) about the >similarity to The One Ring from LoTR. > >-- >Andy Cooke I'd forgotten about that. I've read that one twice. Luke Hoffmann I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve. -Bilbo Baggins ###### Message-ID: <3DB9A4FC.4BC9650@acm.org> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:09:35 -0400 From: Glenn Holliday Reply-To: holliday@acm.org Organization: What? Me worry? X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien references in other books References: <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.199.164.12 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 1035640539 3932 207.199.164.12 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97281 Luke Hoffmann wrote: > > Has anyone ever come across references to a Tolkien book or character in > another fictional book? C.S. Lewis made a famous reference to "Numinor", and said in a footnote "Those desiring to know more about Numinor must wait for the forthcoming work by Professor Tolkien." I'll have to flip through those books to find exactly where that is. Gary Gygax lifted several bits from Tolkien in the first edition of Dungeons and Dragons. Legal action forced him to make changes, including changing "hobbit" to "halfling". -- Glenn Holliday holliday@acm.org ###### From: massar@alum.mit.edu (JP Massar) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien references in other books Message-ID: <3dbaf272.43098592@netnews.attbi.com> References: <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com> <3DB9A4FC.4BC9650@acm.org> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.233.254.142 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net 1035661979 12.233.254.142 (Sat, 26 Oct 2002 19:52:59 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 19:52:59 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 19:52:59 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97293 On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:09:35 -0400, Glenn Holliday wrote: >Luke Hoffmann wrote: >> >> Has anyone ever come across references to a Tolkien book or character in >> another fictional book? > >C.S. Lewis made a famous reference to "Numinor", and said in a >footnote "Those desiring to know more about Numinor must wait for >the forthcoming work by Professor Tolkien." I'll have to flip >through those books to find exactly where that is. > I believe it is the preface to 'This Hideous Strength'. ###### From: Ermanna Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien references in other books Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 09:34:40 -0500 Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3DBBF980.7746E6CF@nospam.solinas.org> References: <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com> Reply-To: Ermanna@nospam.solinas.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbYl8THaskRcTyHiyQrBLjVb1Ni3qtZ/aDF3irpe3lSY18kMIiSR6oc X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Oct 2002 18:19:18 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97394 Donald Shepherd made dwagin-sized wripples in the Force: > In article <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com>, > go4tcross@cs.comedy says... > > Has anyone ever come across references to a Tolkien book or character in > > another fictional book? > > > It receives several mentions in Tad Williams' Otherland series. And my interest in reading those books is given a strong boost. > -- > Donald Shepherd > > > "To be old and wise you must first be young and stupid" Ermanna the Elven Jedi Knight, Lady of Rivendell, Headmistress of the AFT/RABT Charm School, Hug-Therapist, Queen of the Balrog Wingophiles, Protector of Kittens and Hamsters, Wielder of Tinwë Warrior Princess of AFT/RABT You can never become whole unless you embrace the weirdness in yourself. ###### From: Ermanna Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien references in other books Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:58:15 -0500 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3DBC0D18.14DFB4F0@nospam.solinas.org> References: <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com> Reply-To: Ermanna@nospam.solinas.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZXqEag112KrByPqo+JxdMYKF5lWwH4KW6LML267AQiREM6864Bk4Dd X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Oct 2002 18:19:20 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97391 Luke Hoffmann made dwagin-sized wripples in the Force: > Has anyone ever come across references to a Tolkien book or character in > another fictional book? In a Star Trek book by Diane Duane, _Vulcan's Forge_. A human friend of teenage Spock says "Into the land of Mordor" or something like that when he sees a wasteland on Vulcan that the two of them are heading into. > Luke Hoffmann > > I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than > half of you half as well as you deserve. -Bilbo Baggins Ermanna the Elven Jedi Knight, Lady of Rivendell, Headmistress of the AFT/RABT Charm School, Hug-Therapist, Queen of the Balrog Wingophiles, Protector of Kittens and Hamsters, Wielder of Tinwë Warrior Princess of AFT/RABT You can never become whole unless you embrace the weirdness in yourself. ###### From: noSpamUrban@noSpamPanix.com Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien references in other books Date: 27 Oct 2002 15:17:53 -0500 Organization: PANIX -- Public Access Networks Corp. Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com> <3DBC0D18.14DFB4F0@nospam.solinas.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1035749873 18659 166.84.1.3 (27 Oct 2002 20:17:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 20:17:53 +0000 (UTC) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!panix!panix3.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97368 In article <3DBC0D18.14DFB4F0@nospam.solinas.org>, > >In a Star Trek book by Diane Duane, _Vulcan's Forge_. A human friend of >teenage Spock says "Into the land of Mordor" or something like that when >he sees a wasteland on Vulcan that the two of them are heading into. > Diane Duane, Inkling Fan! From another Trek novel, The Wounded Sky: "The whole thing," [Uhura] said, her voice quiet and pensive, "would have broken your heart." "Why?" said [Dr.] Lia Burke's voice, equally quiet. "Was it so sad?" "Sad? _No!_" said Uhura--and the joy and longing in her voice were astonishing to hear. (From The Voyage of the Dawn Treader, by C. S. Lewis): Edmund and Eustace would never talk about it afterwards. Lucy could only say, 'It would break your heart.' 'Why,' said I, 'was it so sad?' 'Sad!! No,' said Lucy. ###### From: Donald Shepherd Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien references in other books Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:04:06 +1000 Organization: Sad Fuckers of the World Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com> <3DBBF980.7746E6CF@nospam.solinas.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: emc-203-100-22-231.resnet.uq.edu.au X-Trace: bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au 1035756257 6280 203.100.22.231 (27 Oct 2002 22:04:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@uq.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Oct 2002 22:04:17 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 X-Virus: I am a header virus. Please add me to your headers. Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.optus.net.au!optus!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97427 In article <3DBBF980.7746E6CF@nospam.solinas.org>, Ermanna@nospam.solinas.org says... > > Donald Shepherd made dwagin-sized wripples in the Force: > > In article <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com>, > > go4tcross@cs.comedy says... > > > Has anyone ever come across references to a Tolkien book or character in > > > another fictional book? > > > > > > It receives several mentions in Tad Williams' Otherland series. > > And my interest in reading those books is given a strong boost. I quite enjoy them. Unfortunately I don't have the spare time to read as much as I'd like, too much uni work, so I've only made it through a bit over half a book this semester, but I'm looking forward to when I do have the time to finish the serie. -- Donald Shepherd "To be old and wise you must first be young and stupid" ###### Message-ID: <3DBDF600.28D27CEB@acm.org> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:44:21 -0500 From: Glenn Holliday Reply-To: holliday@acm.org Organization: What? Me worry? X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien references in other books References: <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com> <3DB9A4FC.4BC9650@acm.org> <3dbaf272.43098592@netnews.attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.199.164.200 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 1035930312 11736 207.199.164.200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97752 JP Massar wrote: > > On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:09:35 -0400, Glenn Holliday > wrote: > > >Luke Hoffmann wrote: > >> > >> Has anyone ever come across references to a Tolkien book or character in > >> another fictional book? > > > >C.S. Lewis made a famous reference to "Numinor", and said in a ... > > I believe it is the preface to 'This Hideous Strength'. Thanks. In _That Hideous Strength_, chapter "They Have Pulled Down Deep Heaven", is this dialog between Ransom and Merlin. Speaking about the Old Solar language, Ransom says "Not even in Numinor was it heard in the streets." "Your Masters let you play with dangerous toys," he said. "Tell me, slave, what is Numinor?" "The true West," said Ransom. The comment in the Preface is "Those who would like to learn further about Numinor and the True West must (alas!) await the publication of much that still exists only in the MSS. of my friend, Professor J.R.R. Tolkien." _That Hideous Strength_ was published in 1946. In _The Inklings_ Carter reports that Tolkien was not pleased by this reference. I believe Tolkien thought Lewis had appropriated Numenor to serve a completely different mythology. I keep wanting to remember that there's a reference to Numenor as one of the far-away lands in one of the Narnia books, but Î'm probably conflating my memories of those books with this quote. -- Glenn Holliday holliday@acm.org ###### From: Morgoth's Curse Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien references in other books Message-ID: References: <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com> <3DBBF980.7746E6CF@nospam.solinas.org> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:21:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.84.14.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1036048870 12.84.14.105 (Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:21:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:21:10 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.stueberl.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97917 On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 09:34:40 -0500, Ermanna wrote: > >Donald Shepherd made dwagin-sized wripples in the Force: >> In article <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com>, >> go4tcross@cs.comedy says... >> > Has anyone ever come across references to a Tolkien book or character in >> > another fictional book? >> >> >> It receives several mentions in Tad Williams' Otherland series. > >And my interest in reading those books is given a strong boost. I hope you have some spare time. :) There are four volumes and the shortest is 632 pages in length. I highly recommend it. Morgoth's Curse ###### Lines: 21 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: go4tcross@cs.comedy (Luke Hoffmann) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Date: 31 Oct 2002 07:35:35 GMT References: Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Tolkien references in other books Message-ID: <20021031023535.21403.00000056@mb-mc.news.cs.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.telebyte.nl!feed3.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:97865 >>> It receives several mentions in Tad Williams' Otherland series. >> >>And my interest in reading those books is given a strong boost. > >I hope you have some spare time. :) There are four volumes and the >shortest is 632 pages in length. I highly recommend it. > >Morgoth's Curse > Sounds wonderful. I read "The Stand" (unabridged) in high school. (Still have it) The other students couldn't believe I was reading a book with 1000+ pages. Actually, for most of 'em, 50 pages would be too much. Luke Hoffmann I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve. -Bilbo Baggins ###### From: Donald Shepherd Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien references in other books Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:35:11 +1000 Organization: Sad Fuckers of the World Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <20021023231941.22407.00003827@mb-co.news.cs.com> <3DBBF980.7746E6CF@nospam.solinas.org> <3DC29888.7BAE0F55@nospam.solinas.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: emc-203-100-22-231.resnet.uq.edu.au X-Trace: bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au 1036193759 23013 203.100.22.231 (1 Nov 2002 23:35:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@uq.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Nov 2002 23:35:59 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 X-Virus: I am a header virus. Please add me to your headers. Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newsfeed.vmunix.org!news1.optus.net.au!optus!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:98252 In article <3DC29888.7BAE0F55@nospam.solinas.org>, Ermanna@nospam.solinas.org says... > > Morgoth's Curse made dwagin-sized wripples in the Force: > > On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 09:34:40 -0500, Ermanna > > wrote: > > >Donald Shepherd made dwagin-sized wripples in the Force: > > > >> Tad Williams' Otherland series. > > > > > >And my interest in reading those books is given a strong boost. > > > > I hope you have some spare time. :) > > Plenty. /me glares at Book 3 sitting there defiantly on his bedside table. I'll get to you sooner or later... :) -- Donald Shepherd "To be old and wise you must first be young and stupid" ###### From: Morgoth's Curse Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien references in other books Message-ID: References: <20021031023535.21403.00000056@mb-mc.news.cs.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 17:57:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.84.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1036519061 12.84.15.59 (Tue, 05 Nov 2002 17:57:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 17:57:41 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:98311 On 31 Oct 2002 07:35:35 GMT, go4tcross@cs.comedy (Luke Hoffmann) wrote: >>>> It receives several mentions in Tad Williams' Otherland series. >>> >>>And my interest in reading those books is given a strong boost. >> >>I hope you have some spare time. :) There are four volumes and the >>shortest is 632 pages in length. I highly recommend it. >> >>Morgoth's Curse >> > >Sounds wonderful. > >I read "The Stand" (unabridged) in high school. (Still have it) The other >students couldn't believe I was reading a book with 1000+ pages. > >Actually, for most of 'em, 50 pages would be too much. > >Luke Hoffmann You and I come from a sturdier generation. Children today can't even make it though FIVE pages. Civilization is doomed. Morgoth's Curse ###### From: Donald Shepherd Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien references in other books Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 07:32:38 +1000 Organization: Sad Fuckers of the World Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <20021031023535.21403.00000056@mb-mc.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: emc-203-100-22-231.resnet.uq.edu.au X-Trace: bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au 1036531984 25376 203.100.22.231 (5 Nov 2002 21:33:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@uq.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Nov 2002 21:33:04 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 X-Virus: I am a header virus. Please add me to your headers. Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!newsfeed.vmunix.org!news1.optus.net.au!optus!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:98302 On Tue, 05 Nov 2002 17:57:41 GMT, Morgoth's Curse says... > On 31 Oct 2002 07:35:35 GMT, go4tcross@cs.comedy (Luke Hoffmann) > wrote: > > >>>> It receives several mentions in Tad Williams' Otherland series. > >>> > >>>And my interest in reading those books is given a strong boost. > >> > >>I hope you have some spare time. :) There are four volumes and the > >>shortest is 632 pages in length. I highly recommend it. > >> > >>Morgoth's Curse > >> > > > >Sounds wonderful. > > > >I read "The Stand" (unabridged) in high school. (Still have it) The other > >students couldn't believe I was reading a book with 1000+ pages. > > > >Actually, for most of 'em, 50 pages would be too much. > > > >Luke Hoffmann > > You and I come from a sturdier generation. Children today can't even > make it though FIVE pages. > > Civilization is doomed. Oioioioioioioi Define children. -- Donald Shepherd "To be old and wise you must first be young and stupid"