From: s348712@student_SPAM_.uq.edu.au (AndrewR) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: A ring found in a river Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 04:57:21 GMT Organization: University of Queensland Lines: 3 Message-ID: <3d267860.4499736@news.uq.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: d-247-151.stlucia.uq.net.au X-Trace: bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au 1025931160 21709 203.101.247.151 (6 Jul 2002 04:52:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@uq.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 2002 04:52:40 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.optus.net.au!optus!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:90160 I was flipping through a magazine before and saw an article on a fish that was caught in a river in Norway by two boys that contained a gold ?wedding ring? that was lost 18 years ealier by a cousin of theirs!! ###### From: Lord Jubjub Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: A ring found in a river Organization: Land of Storm and Chaos References: <3d267860.4499736@news.uq.edu.au> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) X-Face: "ua3is=>0]J2[+"*Cg)=i[Q:LX=cv.xg444m7P$:_QCX5Ae2~+bd^d<(~X>P0h hs?}Mj@|zEBML Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 00:04:49 -0500 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tayhou-207-218-236-196.ev1.net X-Trace: newsa.ev1.net 1025931115 tayhou-207-218-236-196.ev1.net (5 Jul 2002 23:51:55 -0500) Lines: 12 X-Authenticated-User: psiemens Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-han1.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!newsa.ev1.net!jubjub Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:90205 In article <3d267860.4499736@news.uq.edu.au>, s348712@student_SPAM_.uq.edu.au (AndrewR) wrote: > I was flipping through a magazine before and saw an article on a fish > that was caught in a river in Norway by two boys that contained a gold > ?wedding ring? that was lost 18 years ealier by a cousin of theirs!! As long as they were SEEN wearing it, I don't think we have a problem. -- Lord Jubjub Ruler of the Jabberwocky, Guardian of the Wabe, Prince of the Slithy Toves, Leader of the raths, Keeper of the Bandersnatch ###### From: pradera@pradera.prv.pl (Pradera) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: A ring found in a river Date: 6 Jul 2002 10:16:55 GMT Organization: Pradera Lines: 21 Message-ID: <92437190Fpraderapraderaprvpl@130.133.1.4> References: <3d267860.4499736@news.uq.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 42-moo-3.acn.waw.pl (62.121.78.42) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1025950615 18525297 62.121.78.42 (16 [146550]) User-Agent: Xnews/03.09.22 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!deine.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!42-moo-3.acn.waw.PL!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:90212 Nasta? dzie? 06 lip 2002, gdy AndrewR by? ?askaw napisa?: > >I was flipping through a magazine before and saw an article on a fish >that was caught in a river in Norway by two boys that contained a gold >?wedding ring? that was lost 18 years ealier by a cousin of theirs!! Oh boy. Here we go again... any volunteers? -- Pradera 'Of course Sauron has a physical form. He's got a Mouth, hasn't he?' --- ###### From: qx1741@bigfoot.com (Stan Brown) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: A ring found in a river Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 08:50:09 -0400 Organization: Oak Road Systems Message-ID: References: <3d267860.4499736@news.uq.edu.au> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 23 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!newsfeed.stueberl.de!cox.net!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:90252 AndrewR wrote in rec.arts.books.tolkien: >I was flipping through a magazine before and saw an article on a fish >that was caught in a river in Norway by two boys that contained a gold >?wedding ring? that was lost 18 years ealier by a cousin of theirs!! An early version of /The Fellowship of the Ring/ had a large fish swallowing the Ring after Sauron lost it, then coughing it up on the river bank. (HoME volume VI) There's a similar story in Norse mythology. I think I remember it had something to do with a dwarf named Andvari, but the memory is very vague. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Cortland County, New York, USA http://oakroadsystems.com Tolkien FAQs: http://Tolkien.slimy.com (Steuard Jensen's site) Tolkien letters FAQ: http://users.telerama.com/~taliesen/tolkien/lettersfaq.html FAQ of the Rings: http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/ringfaq.htm Encyclopedia of Arda: http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.htm more FAQs: http://oakroadsystems.com/tech/faqget.htm ###### From: pradera@pradera.prv.pl (Pradera) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: A ring found in a river Date: 6 Jul 2002 12:59:08 GMT Organization: Pradera Lines: 30 Message-ID: <92439495Bpraderapraderaprvpl@130.133.1.4> References: <3d267860.4499736@news.uq.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 42-moo-3.acn.waw.pl (62.121.78.42) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1025960348 19834970 62.121.78.42 (16 [146550]) User-Agent: Xnews/03.09.22 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!42-moo-3.acn.waw.PL!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:90216 Nasta? dzie? 06 lip 2002, gdy Stan Brown by? ?askaw napisa?: >>I was flipping through a magazine before and saw an article on a fish >>that was caught in a river in Norway by two boys that contained a gold >>?wedding ring? that was lost 18 years ealier by a cousin of theirs!! > >An early version of /The Fellowship of the Ring/ had a large fish >swallowing the Ring after Sauron lost it, then coughing it up on the >river bank. (HoME volume VI) > >There's a similar story in Norse mythology. I think I remember it >had something to do with a dwarf named Andvari, but the memory is >very vague. > It's also in greek mythology...and in sanskrite (king Dushyanta)... So I guess it's one of the oldest myths of indoeuropean -- Pradera 'Of course Sauron has a physical form. He's got a Mouth, hasn't he?' --- ###### Lines: 3 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: wilbur07@aol.com (Mark Constantino) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Date: 06 Jul 2002 14:03:30 GMT References: <92439495Bpraderapraderaprvpl@130.133.1.4> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: A ring found in a river Message-ID: <20020706100330.20896.00003274@mb-cn.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.it.ip-plus.net!news.it.ip-plus.net!news.it.colt.net!itgate.net!newsfeeder.inwind.it!inwind.it!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!howland.erols.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:90187 >Dushyanta Un poco desinfladas. Gia Palladino, a stunner for her face, not her ass. I've looked at that often enough. Wow, after all these years! ###### From: "The American" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <3d267860.4499736@news.uq.edu.au> Subject: Re: A ring found in a river Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 15:05:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.48.198.168 X-Complaints-To: abuse@adelphia.net X-Trace: news1.news.adelphia.net 1025967952 24.48.198.168 (Sat, 06 Jul 2002 11:05:52 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 11:05:52 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-han1.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news1.news.adelphia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:90301 "AndrewR" wrote in message news:3d267860.4499736@news.uq.edu.au... > I was flipping through a magazine before and saw an article on a fish > that was caught in a river in Norway by two boys that contained a gold > ?wedding ring? that was lost 18 years ealier by a cousin of theirs!! The past 18 years of bliss for the elder cousin has come to an end with the discovery of the "lost" Ring of Doom. From the ashes of servitude long forgotten an evil wright has arisen in the North Kingdom that threatens to suck the life from the former ring-wielder. Trusting to the mighty fortress walls of -insert name of a local strip club here- our hero rejects calls for the formation a Council since the last plan, tossing the Ring into the sea, had failed. ###### From: s348712@student_SPAM_.uq.edu.au (AndrewR) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: A ring found in a river Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 15:16:00 GMT Organization: University of Queensland Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3d270991.21649901@news.uq.edu.au> References: <3d267860.4499736@news.uq.edu.au> <92437190Fpraderapraderaprvpl@130.133.1.4> NNTP-Posting-Host: d-249-38.stlucia.uq.net.au X-Trace: bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au 1025968276 11744 203.101.249.38 (6 Jul 2002 15:11:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@uq.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 2002 15:11:16 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-han1.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.optus.net.au!optus!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:90163 On 6 Jul 2002 10:16:55 GMT, pradera@pradera.prv.pl (Pradera) wrote: >Nasta? dzie? 06 lip 2002, gdy AndrewR by? ?askaw napisa?: > >> >>I was flipping through a magazine before and saw an article on a fish >>that was caught in a river in Norway by two boys that contained a gold >>?wedding ring? that was lost 18 years ealier by a cousin of theirs!! > >Oh boy. Here we go again... any volunteers? OMG! LOL! I didn't even read into the significance of the 'cousin' connection and Bilbo etc. LOL! :) ###### From: s348712@student_SPAM_.uq.edu.au (AndrewR) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: A ring found in a river Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 15:16:18 GMT Organization: University of Queensland Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3d2709b3.21684314@news.uq.edu.au> References: <3d267860.4499736@news.uq.edu.au> <92437190Fpraderapraderaprvpl@130.133.1.4> NNTP-Posting-Host: d-249-38.stlucia.uq.net.au X-Trace: bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au 1025968294 11744 203.101.249.38 (6 Jul 2002 15:11:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@uq.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 2002 15:11:34 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.vmunix.org!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!news1.optus.net.au!optus!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:90166 On 6 Jul 2002 10:16:55 GMT, pradera@pradera.prv.pl (Pradera) wrote: >Nasta? dzie? 06 lip 2002, gdy AndrewR by? ?askaw napisa?: > >> >>I was flipping through a magazine before and saw an article on a fish >>that was caught in a river in Norway by two boys that contained a gold >>?wedding ring? that was lost 18 years ealier by a cousin of theirs!! > >Oh boy. Here we go again... any volunteers? Heh, does anyone want me to type out the article? Andrew ###### Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: wilbur07@aol.com (Mark Constantino) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Date: 06 Jul 2002 17:59:04 GMT References: <20020706100330.20896.00003274@mb-cn.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: A ring found in a river Message-ID: <20020706135904.09178.00001759@mb-mh.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.it.ip-plus.net!news.it.ip-plus.net!news.it.colt.net!itgate.net!newsfeeder.inwind.it!inwind.it!nntp.infostrada.it!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:90193 >Wow, after all these years! My uncle Gregorio "Jun" Abeja walks with a limp, and he calls to his wife, "Oirog, pag-iibigan o makipagtalik"? He's lame, but my aunt doesn't see that; she sees what's in his head and heart. She never colors it red, it's just like that, in the sunlight. ###### From: Bagronk the Happy Orc Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: A ring found in a river Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 00:07:45 +0200 Message-ID: References: <3d267860.4499736@news.uq.edu.au> <92437190Fpraderapraderaprvpl@130.133.1.4> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 145.254.136.51 X-Trace: 7 Jul 2002 00:07:09 +0200, 145.254.136.51 Lines: 21 X-Complaints-To: abuse@arcor-ip.de Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.it.ip-plus.net!news.it.ip-plus.net!news.it.colt.net!itgate.net!news.panservice.it!newsfeeder.edisontel.com!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.stueberl.de!uucp.gnuu.de!newsfeed.arcor-online.net!newsfeed.arcor-ip.de!news.arcor-ip.de!145.254.136.51 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:90335 I found some words from pradera@pradera.prv.pl (Pradera) in my phone cable... > Nasta? dzie? 06 lip 2002, gdy AndrewR by? ?askaw napisa?: > > >I was flipping through a magazine before and saw an article on a fish > >that was caught in a river in Norway by two boys that contained a gold > >?wedding ring? that was lost 18 years ealier by a cousin of theirs!! > > Oh boy. Here we go again... any volunteers? Let's first attend a Council in Geneva, home of the Euro bureaucrats :-> There we'll appoint a fellowship. Behold, the Nine Terrorists have alredy left Minas Baghdad! We must try to reach Etna and destroy the ring there. Unhappily, this volcano lies in the country of Dr. Antinori, who is reported to have cloned a new race of Uruk-hai. -- Bagronk the Happy Orc Every text becomes absurd after a certain amount of bytes. If it exceeds this length, the reader’s brain implodes. (IGfrI) ###### From: pradera@pradera.prv.pl (Pradera) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: A ring found in a river Date: 6 Jul 2002 22:12:33 GMT Organization: Pradera Lines: 24 Message-ID: <92444CE8praderapraderaprvpl@130.133.1.4> References: <3d267860.4499736@news.uq.edu.au> <92437190Fpraderapraderaprvpl@130.133.1.4> NNTP-Posting-Host: 42-moo-3.acn.waw.pl (62.121.78.42) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1025993553 20626623 62.121.78.42 (16 [146550]) User-Agent: Xnews/03.09.22 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.it.ip-plus.net!news.it.ip-plus.net!news.it.colt.net!itgate.net!newsfeeder.inwind.it!inwind.it!nntp.infostrada.it!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!42-moo-3.acn.waw.PL!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:90206 Nasta? dzie? 07 lip 2002, gdy Bagronk the Happy Orc by? ?askaw napisa?: >> Oh boy. Here we go again... any volunteers? > >Let's first attend a Council in Geneva, home of the Euro bureaucrats >:-> There we'll appoint a fellowship. Behold, the Nine Terrorists have >alredy left Minas Baghdad! We must try to reach Etna and destroy the >ring there. Unhappily, this volcano lies in the country of Dr. >Antinori, who is reported to have cloned a new race of Uruk-hai. > Hmmm you're trying to break some kind of record here, ain't ya? :) -- Pradera 'Of course Sauron has a physical form. He's got a Mouth, hasn't he?' --- ###### From: s348712@student_SPAM_.uq.edu.au (AndrewR) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: A ring found in a river Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 09:00:27 GMT Organization: University of Queensland Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3d2802ee.4538876@news.uq.edu.au> References: <3d267860.4499736@news.uq.edu.au> <92439495Bpraderapraderaprvpl@130.133.1.4> NNTP-Posting-Host: d-248-157.stlucia.uq.net.au X-Trace: bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au 1026032143 26835 203.101.248.157 (7 Jul 2002 08:55:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@uq.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jul 2002 08:55:43 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.it.ip-plus.net!news.it.ip-plus.net!news.it.colt.net!peernews2.colt.net!news0.de.colt.net!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!snewsf0.syd.ops.aspac.uu.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:90169 On 6 Jul 2002 12:59:08 GMT, pradera@pradera.prv.pl (Pradera) wrote: >Nasta? dzie? 06 lip 2002, gdy Stan Brown by? ?askaw napisa?: > >>>I was flipping through a magazine before and saw an article on a fish >>>that was caught in a river in Norway by two boys that contained a gold >>>?wedding ring? that was lost 18 years ealier by a cousin of theirs!! >> >>An early version of /The Fellowship of the Ring/ had a large fish >>swallowing the Ring after Sauron lost it, then coughing it up on the >>river bank. (HoME volume VI) >> >>There's a similar story in Norse mythology. I think I remember it >>had something to do with a dwarf named Andvari, but the memory is >>very vague. >> > >It's also in greek mythology...and in sanskrite (king Dushyanta)... >So I guess it's one of the oldest myths of indoeuropean Well it's been happening for hundreds if not thousands of years - the question is WHAT is it with fish and rings? :o) Maybe it was an 18 year old Norwegian LotR stunt in the making! :o)