From: "Dark Messenger" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Elven pregnancy Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:05:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.119.133.79 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telenet.be X-Trace: afrodite.telenet-ops.be 1018530312 213.119.133.79 (Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:05:12 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:05:12 MET DST Organization: Telenet Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!ossa.telenet-ops.be!afrodite.telenet-ops.be.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:84076 A while ago I found a post on some forum about elven pregnancy in D&D, somebody said it was 2 years, now I wonder, does Tolkien say anything about this or is it just something that was made up along with the D&D ? ###### From: mair_fheal@yahoo.com (rand mair fheal) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Elven pregnancy Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:43:59 -0700 Organization: tos coyote Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 9 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!freenix!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!c86.ppp.tsoft.com!user Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:84060 In article , "Dark Messenger" wrote: > A while ago I found a post on some forum about elven pregnancy in D&D, > somebody said it was 2 years, now I wonder, does Tolkien say anything about > this or is it just something that was made up along with the D&D ? he said men and elves mature the same until their twenties so i would guess that includes gestation ###### From: "Aris Katsaris" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Elven pregnancy Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:46:00 +0300 Organization: An OTEnet S.A. customer Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: athe530-q064.otenet.gr X-Trace: usenet.otenet.gr 1018554443 24388 212.205.254.64 (11 Apr 2002 19:47:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@otenet.gr NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:47:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!newsfeed.r-kom.de!newsfeed.stueberl.de!news.netway.at!Amsterdam.Infonet!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.otenet.gr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:83855 "Dark Messenger" wrote in message news:cSft8.11813$Ze.2947@afrodite.telenet-ops.be... > A while ago I found a post on some forum about elven pregnancy in D&D, > somebody said it was 2 years, now I wonder, > does Tolkien say anything about > this or is it just something that was made up along with the D&D ? Both. Tolkien did say something about this, but not this - he said elven pregnancy was one year instead. Aris Katsaris ###### Lines: 18 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: mcresq@aol.com (Russ) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Date: 11 Apr 2002 19:49:42 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler (Queue Name: gng-mq) Subject: Re: Elven pregnancy Message-ID: <20020411154942.20665.00000196@mb-mq.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!feed.ac-versailles.fr!proxad.net!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:83908 In article , mair_fheal@yahoo.com (rand mair fheal) writes: >In article , "Dark Messenger" > wrote: > >> A while ago I found a post on some forum about elven pregnancy in D&D, >> somebody said it was 2 years, now I wonder, does Tolkien say anything about >> this or is it just something that was made up along with the D&D ? > >he said men and elves mature the same until their twenties >so i would guess that includes gestation Actually, there are texts that say humans develop quicker than Elves - that Men will be physically mature while Elven children are still, well, children. I'm not positive of the cite, but it's probably in Law and Customs of the Eldar. Russ ###### From: "Conrad Dunkerson" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <20020411154942.20665.00000196@mb-mq.aol.com> Subject: Re: Elven pregnancy Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:37:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.79.28.187 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1018568221 12.79.28.187 (Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:37:01 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:37:01 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-han1.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!upp1.onvoy!onvoy.com!newsengine.sol.net!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.54!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:83892 "Russ" wrote in message news:20020411154942.20665.00000196@mb-mq.aol.com... > Actually, there are texts that say humans develop quicker than Elves > - that Men will be physically mature while Elven children are still, > well, children. Yup, the passage indicated that it took Elves 50 to 100 years to reach full growth. Though they were actually coordinated and 'mentally acute' earlier than human children. > I'm not positive of the cite, but it's probably in Law and Customs > of the Eldar. Yes, the preamble. ###### From: shermanlee1@hotmail.com (Johnny1A) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Elven pregnancy Date: 11 Apr 2002 18:37:34 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.145.156.11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1018575455 31185 127.0.0.1 (12 Apr 2002 01:37:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Apr 2002 01:37:35 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!feed.newsfeeds.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:84048 "Aris Katsaris" wrote in message news:... > "Dark Messenger" wrote in message > news:cSft8.11813$Ze.2947@afrodite.telenet-ops.be... > > A while ago I found a post on some forum about elven pregnancy in D&D, > > somebody said it was 2 years, now I wonder, > > > does Tolkien say anything about > > this or is it just something that was made up along with the D&D ? > > Both. Tolkien did say something about this, but not this - he said > elven pregnancy was one year instead. > > Aris Katsaris I wonder how that affected Luthien, Idril, and Arwen? Luthien is half-Ainur, so she's a special case all her own, with a human mate. Idril is pure Elven, but another human mate. And Arwen is technically Ainu/Elda/Edain (emphasis Elda) and she is married to another Ainu/Elda/Edain, only with the emphasis on Edain! I wonder how all that played out in gestation? ###### Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Elven pregnancy References: X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test70 (17 January 1999) From: sbjensen@midway.uchicago.edu (Steuard Jensen) Lines: 13 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.135.12.7 X-Trace: news.uchicago.edu 1018579600 128.135.12.7 (Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:46:40 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:46:40 CDT Organization: The University of Chicago X-SessionID: kUrt8-18290-S4-6550@news.uchicago.edu X-Hash-Info: post-filter,v:1.4 X-Hash: ec759c91 3f0d81f0 a9305998 4338d6dc 3e633a87 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 02:46:40 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news.uchicago.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:83985 Quoth "Aris Katsaris" in article : > "Dark Messenger" wrote: > > A while ago I found a post on some forum about elven pregnancy in > > D&D, somebody said it was 2 years... > Tolkien did say something about this, but not this - he said elven > pregnancy was one year instead. I'm embarassed to say that I have no memory of this at all. Where did he comment on Elven pregnancies? Steuard Jensen ###### From: Andreas Pohlke Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Elven pregnancy Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:31:19 +0200 Organization: Baby Boomer Cattery Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3CB6A967.5080302@baby-boomer.de> References: Reply-To: newsrd4@baby-boomer.de NNTP-Posting-Host: de1bd95d.bln.siemens.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-DE; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: de-DE Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!skynet.be!skynet.be!transit.news.xs4all.nl!195.129.110.18.MISMATCH!bnewspeer00.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!newsfeed.siemens.de!news.mch.sbs.de!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:83835 Hi, Johnny1A wrote: > I wonder how that affected Luthien, Idril, and Arwen? Luthien is > half-Ainur, so she's a special case all her own, with a human mate. > Idril is pure Elven, but another human mate. And Arwen is technically > Ainu/Elda/Edain (emphasis Elda) and she is married to another > Ainu/Elda/Edain, only with the emphasis on Edain! > I wonder how all that played out in gestation? maybe we should start a case study like Mr. Mendel and develop some genetical statistics for elves... The way, elves are described, I wouldn't wonder if elvesses could vary the time of pregnancy "at will". I can't give text quote for that, but _time_, measured in months, isn't really important to immortals. regards, Andreas. ###### From: "Aris Katsaris" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Elven pregnancy Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:59:27 +0300 Organization: An OTEnet S.A. customer Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: athe530-o169.otenet.gr X-Trace: usenet.otenet.gr 1018605651 14048 212.205.252.169 (12 Apr 2002 10:00:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@otenet.gr NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:00:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news2.euro.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed.r-kom.de!newsfeed.stueberl.de!news.netway.at!Amsterdam.Infonet!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.otenet.gr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:83852 "Steuard Jensen" wrote in message news:kUrt8.110$S4.6433@news.uchicago.edu... > Quoth "Aris Katsaris" in article > : > > "Dark Messenger" wrote: > > > A while ago I found a post on some forum about elven pregnancy in > > > D&D, somebody said it was 2 years... > > > Tolkien did say something about this, but not this - he said elven > > pregnancy was one year instead. > > I'm embarassed to say that I have no memory of this at all. Where did > he comment on Elven pregnancies? Morgoth's Ring, Laws and Customs among the Eldar. He also says there that (in the few cases where they are different) it was the conception-day rather than the birthday that was celebrated (or "remembered") every year. Aris Katsaris ###### Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: srowe@cambridgebroadband.com X-Newsreader: knews 1.0b.1 References: From: srowe@mose.org.uk (Simon J. Rowe) Subject: Re: Elven pregnancy Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 9 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:15:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.254.213.145 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news11-gui.server.ntli.net 1018613707 62.254.213.145 (Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:15:07 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:15:07 BST Organization: ntl Business News Service Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news11-gui.server.ntli.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:84157 In article , "Aris Katsaris" writes: > He also says there that (in the few cases where they are different) it was the > conception-day rather than the birthday that was celebrated (or "remembered") > every year. I seem to recall that the Japanese used to have the same custom, Simon ###### From: mdw@ncipher.com (Mark Wooding) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Elven pregnancy References: Organization: nCipher development Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.6.2 (Linux) Date: 12 Apr 2002 17:13:18 GMT Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: gate.ncipher.com X-Trace: 1018631598 reading.news.pipex.net 8510 62.190.84.2 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!transit.news.xs4all.nl!195.129.110.18.MISMATCH!bnewspeer00.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!auucp0.ams.ops.eu.uu.net!bnewsifeed01.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspost00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:84044 Simon J. Rowe wrote: > In article , > "Aris Katsaris" writes: > > He also says there that (in the few cases where they are different) > > it was the conception-day rather than the birthday that was > > celebrated (or "remembered") every year. > > I seem to recall that the Japanese used to have the same custom, I can see this getting very confusing when it's finally revealed that the kid's father was someone completely different, and the great event was in the back of a car rather later on in the week... -- [mdw] ###### From: "me" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: Subject: Re: Elven pregnancy Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.254.236.150 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc02 1018648377 12.254.236.150 (Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:52:57 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:52:57 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:52:57 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc02.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:84180 There is a rather "useless" book of "rules" for d&d someone with far too much time on there hands wrote up called "the book of sex". If i recall correctly it had thing in it like possible defects caused by magical energies during gestation and similar things liek that........the thing that strikes me as relevant here is that they had a table of "fertility" which based a races chances of getting pregnant on average lifespan....and based the gestation of the pregnancy on similar........i am pretty sure that that is where the 2 year gestation for elves came from. "Dark Messenger" wrote in message news:cSft8.11813$Ze.2947@afrodite.telenet-ops.be... > A while ago I found a post on some forum about elven pregnancy in D&D, > somebody said it was 2 years, now I wonder, does Tolkien say anything about > this or is it just something that was made up along with the D&D ? > > ###### Reply-To: "DarkMessenger" From: "DarkMessenger" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: Subject: Re: Elven pregnancy Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:58:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.118.97.130 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telenet.be X-Trace: afrodite.telenet-ops.be 1018652325 213.118.97.130 (Sat, 13 Apr 2002 00:58:45 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 00:58:45 MET DST Organization: Telenet Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!proxad.net!skynet.be!skynet.be!ossa.telenet-ops.be!afrodite.telenet-ops.be.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:84239 For the Japanese maybe but I doubt Elves had that problem... "Mark Wooding" wrote in message news:slrnabe5de.gbm.mdw@mull.ncipher.com... > Simon J. Rowe wrote: > > In article , > > "Aris Katsaris" writes: > > > He also says there that (in the few cases where they are different) > > > it was the conception-day rather than the birthday that was > > > celebrated (or "remembered") every year. > > > > I seem to recall that the Japanese used to have the same custom, > > I can see this getting very confusing when it's finally revealed that > the kid's father was someone completely different, and the great event > was in the back of a car rather later on in the week... > > -- [mdw] ###### Reply-To: "DarkMessenger" From: "DarkMessenger" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: Subject: Re: Elven pregnancy Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:00:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.118.97.130 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telenet.be X-Trace: afrodite.telenet-ops.be 1018652430 213.118.97.130 (Sat, 13 Apr 2002 01:00:30 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 01:00:30 MET DST Organization: Telenet Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!skynet.be!skynet.be!ossa.telenet-ops.be!afrodite.telenet-ops.be.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:84242 Could be, but if that's true than it's not even relevant to D&D elves... Some people have to get a life and stop confusing others :/ "me" wrote in message news:ZGIt8.14957$CH1.12035@sccrnsc02... > There is a rather "useless" book of "rules" for d&d someone with far too > much time on there hands wrote up called "the book of sex". If i recall > correctly it had thing in it like possible defects caused by magical > energies during gestation and similar things liek that........the thing that > strikes me as relevant here is that they had a table of "fertility" which > based a races chances of getting pregnant on average lifespan....and based > the gestation of the pregnancy on similar........i am pretty sure that that > is where the 2 year gestation for elves came from. > > > "Dark Messenger" wrote in message > news:cSft8.11813$Ze.2947@afrodite.telenet-ops.be... > > A while ago I found a post on some forum about elven pregnancy in D&D, > > somebody said it was 2 years, now I wonder, does Tolkien say anything > about > > this or is it just something that was made up along with the D&D ? > > > > > > ###### From: jblanks@mindspring.com (Jeff Blanks) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Elven pregnancy Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 00:57:08 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.62.29 X-Server-Date: 16 Apr 2002 04:57:09 GMT X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!guinness.news.atl.earthlink.net!murphys.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!jblanks Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:84521 "Aris Katsaris" wrote: >He also says there that (in the few cases where they are different) it was the >conception-day rather than the birthday that was celebrated (or "remembered") >every year. Yep, just like a good Catholic, that ol' Ronnie! But, ummm... How would they know? -- "In art, it must always be as it is in Spring." --Arnold Schoenberg ###### From: "Conrad Dunkerson" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: Subject: Re: Elven pregnancy Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:04:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.79.28.212 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1018951465 12.79.28.212 (Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:04:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:04:25 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.55!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:84513 "Jeff Blanks" wrote in message news:jblanks-1604020057090001@user-38lcoh9.dialup.mindspring.com... > "Aris Katsaris" wrote: >> He also says there that (in the few cases where they are different) >> it was the conception-day rather than the birthday that was >> celebrated (or "remembered") every year. > But, ummm... How would they know? The Elves could apparently 'choose' when they wished to have children. As such they might actually be able to pick the 'conception-day'. ###### Reply-To: "DarkMessenger" From: "DarkMessenger" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: Subject: Re: Elven pregnancy Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:38:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.119.133.254 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telenet.be X-Trace: afrodite.telenet-ops.be 1018967886 213.119.133.254 (Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:38:06 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:38:06 MET DST Organization: Telenet Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!skynet.be!skynet.be!ossa.telenet-ops.be!afrodite.telenet-ops.be.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:84553 "Conrad Dunkerson" wrote in message news:JGSu8.27826$Rw2.2169997@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > "Jeff Blanks" wrote in message > news:jblanks-1604020057090001@user-38lcoh9.dialup.mindspring.com... > > "Aris Katsaris" wrote: > > >> He also says there that (in the few cases where they are different) > >> it was the conception-day rather than the birthday that was > >> celebrated (or "remembered") every year. > > > But, ummm... How would they know? > > The Elves could apparently 'choose' when they wished to have children. > As such they might actually be able to pick the 'conception-day'. > > Why am I not born among the elves ? :( ###### From: Jay Random Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Elven pregnancy Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:02:16 -0600 Organization: Bondwine Communications Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3CBC5918.7000201@bondwine.ca> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-228-71-35.gen.cadvision.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news3.cadvision.com 1018976539 18663 207.228.71.35 (16 Apr 2002 17:02:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@cadvision.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:02:19 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011022 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!nntp.cadvision.com!207.228.64.17.MISMATCH!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:84484 DarkMessenger wrote: > "Conrad Dunkerson" wrote in message >> >>The Elves could apparently 'choose' when they wished to have children. >>As such they might actually be able to pick the 'conception-day'. >> > Why am I not born among the elves ? :( Probably because they didn't want another kid at the time. 8-p ###### Reply-To: "DarkMessenger" From: "DarkMessenger" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <3CBC5918.7000201@bondwine.ca> Subject: Re: Elven pregnancy Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 19:21:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.118.91.133 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telenet.be X-Trace: afrodite.telenet-ops.be 1018984884 213.118.91.133 (Tue, 16 Apr 2002 21:21:24 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 21:21:24 MET DST Organization: Telenet Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!skynet.be!skynet.be!ossa.telenet-ops.be!afrodite.telenet-ops.be.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:84586 "Jay Random" wrote in message news:3CBC5918.7000201@bondwine.ca... > > > DarkMessenger wrote: > > > "Conrad Dunkerson" wrote in message > >> > >>The Elves could apparently 'choose' when they wished to have children. > >>As such they might actually be able to pick the 'conception-day'. > >> > > Why am I not born among the elves ? :( > > > Probably because they didn't want another kid at the time. 8-p > Yeah well at least they never had ME to confuse 'em about date of conception :p