From: "Eric San Juan" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: (FILM) non-film trailer scenes Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:50:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.39.122.12 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.nj.home.com 1011538216 68.39.122.12 (Sun, 20 Jan 2002 06:50:16 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 06:50:16 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.nj.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73406 Much has been said of the vast number of film still existing from cut scenes. The other evening I decided to take a peek at the four trailers and see what I could see. Here are a few observations: One of the trailers contains a brief clip of the "Even the smallest person can change the course of the future" line. The trailer features an alternate take, *not* the take in the film. Blanchett is filmed from another angle, with daytime lighting, and with a bit of her hair hanging in her face (so it's clearly not a reversed shot). Interesting. The trailers and most of the television spots show a clip of Gandalf, sans hat and apparently at the Council, saying "It must be destroyed" in quiet an excited and serious way. This was never in the film. Gandalf doesn't say much at the Council in the film. In the trailer, when the Nazgul storm through the gate into Bree, the watchman they crush under the door in the film is missing. One of the trailers has a shot of the Fellowship walking along an expanse of Moria, all in single file, along a path edged by what appears to be a chasm of sorts on one side and a wall on the other. This shot never appears in the film. Also in Moria, there is a shot of Boromir and Aragorn peering around an outcropping of rock. What are they peering at? What makes them seem almost nervous? Can't say, this shot does not appear in the film. And then there are the things everybody has already noted: the Fellowship fighting orcs on the outskirts of Lorien; the giving of Galadriel's gifts; the boats of Galadriel; elven maidens running through the forest; Legolas shooting his bow in Lorien; and a few brief scenes from The Two Towers, such as Merry's pledge to Theoden and a few shots from what is likely the battle of Helm's Deep. ###### From: "Emil Rune" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien References: Subject: Re: (FILM) non-film trailer scenes Lines: 45 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:44:58 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.237.29.52 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@wol.dk X-Trace: news000.worldonline.dk 1011545103 213.237.29.52 (Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:45:03 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:45:03 MET Organization: Customer of Tiscali A/S (World Online) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!212.54.64.131!news100.image.dk!news000.worldonline.dk.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73409 "Eric San Juan" skrev i en meddelelse news:IOA28.3082$kp6.325006@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com... > Much has been said of the vast number of film still existing from cut > scenes. The other evening I decided to take a peek at the four trailers > and see what I could see. Here are a few observations: > > One of the trailers contains a brief clip of the "Even the smallest > person can change the course of the future" line. The trailer features > an alternate take, *not* the take in the film. Blanchett is filmed from > another angle, with daytime lighting, and with a bit of her hair hanging > in her face (so it's clearly not a reversed shot). Interesting. > > The trailers and most of the television spots show a clip of Gandalf, > sans hat and apparently at the Council, saying "It must be destroyed" in > quiet an excited and serious way. This was never in the film. Gandalf > doesn't say much at the Council in the film. > > In the trailer, when the Nazgul storm through the gate into Bree, the > watchman they crush under the door in the film is missing. > > One of the trailers has a shot of the Fellowship walking along an > expanse of Moria, all in single file, along a path edged by what appears > to be a chasm of sorts on one side and a wall on the other. This shot > never appears in the film. > > Also in Moria, there is a shot of Boromir and Aragorn peering around an > outcropping of rock. What are they peering at? What makes them seem > almost nervous? Can't say, this shot does not appear in the film. > > And then there are the things everybody has already noted: the > Fellowship fighting orcs on the outskirts of Lorien; the giving of > Galadriel's gifts; the boats of Galadriel; elven maidens running through > the forest; Legolas shooting his bow in Lorien; and a few brief scenes > from The Two Towers, such as Merry's pledge to Theoden and a few shots > from what is likely the battle of Helm's Deep. > > All i can say is....Bring on the 4-hour dvd version and give us the gold! I can't wait! Emil ###### From: "muggle_girl" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien References: Subject: Re: (FILM) non-film trailer scenes Lines: 44 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:01:02 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.156.120 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 1011539167 62.255.156.120 (Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:06:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:06:07 GMT Organization: ntl Cablemodem News Service Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73359 I can remember seeing the man crushed under the gates when the Nazgul ride through in the film, but none of the others that you mention, what a pity huh? "Eric San Juan" wrote in message news:IOA28.3082$kp6.325006@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com... > Much has been said of the vast number of film still existing from cut > scenes. The other evening I decided to take a peek at the four trailers > and see what I could see. Here are a few observations: > > One of the trailers contains a brief clip of the "Even the smallest > person can change the course of the future" line. The trailer features > an alternate take, *not* the take in the film. Blanchett is filmed from > another angle, with daytime lighting, and with a bit of her hair hanging > in her face (so it's clearly not a reversed shot). Interesting. > > The trailers and most of the television spots show a clip of Gandalf, > sans hat and apparently at the Council, saying "It must be destroyed" in > quiet an excited and serious way. This was never in the film. Gandalf > doesn't say much at the Council in the film. > > In the trailer, when the Nazgul storm through the gate into Bree, the > watchman they crush under the door in the film is missing. > > One of the trailers has a shot of the Fellowship walking along an > expanse of Moria, all in single file, along a path edged by what appears > to be a chasm of sorts on one side and a wall on the other. This shot > never appears in the film. > > Also in Moria, there is a shot of Boromir and Aragorn peering around an > outcropping of rock. What are they peering at? What makes them seem > almost nervous? Can't say, this shot does not appear in the film. > > And then there are the things everybody has already noted: the > Fellowship fighting orcs on the outskirts of Lorien; the giving of > Galadriel's gifts; the boats of Galadriel; elven maidens running through > the forest; Legolas shooting his bow in Lorien; and a few brief scenes > from The Two Towers, such as Merry's pledge to Theoden and a few shots > from what is likely the battle of Helm's Deep. > > ###### From: "Blue" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: (FILM) non-film trailer scenes Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:48:45 +0100 Organization: HThinet Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ao1-m208.net.hinet.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as201.hinet.hr 1011544979 137149 195.29.32.208 (20 Jan 2002 16:42:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@hinet.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:42:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!news1.hinet.hr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73458 all of these scenes will be in directors cut DVD wich will come out around may "Eric San Juan" wrote in message news:IOA28.3082$kp6.325006@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com... > Much has been said of the vast number of film still existing from cut > scenes. The other evening I decided to take a peek at the four trailers > and see what I could see. Here are a few observations: > > One of the trailers contains a brief clip of the "Even the smallest > person can change the course of the future" line. The trailer features > an alternate take, *not* the take in the film. Blanchett is filmed from > another angle, with daytime lighting, and with a bit of her hair hanging > in her face (so it's clearly not a reversed shot). Interesting. > > The trailers and most of the television spots show a clip of Gandalf, > sans hat and apparently at the Council, saying "It must be destroyed" in > quiet an excited and serious way. This was never in the film. Gandalf > doesn't say much at the Council in the film. > > In the trailer, when the Nazgul storm through the gate into Bree, the > watchman they crush under the door in the film is missing. > > One of the trailers has a shot of the Fellowship walking along an > expanse of Moria, all in single file, along a path edged by what appears > to be a chasm of sorts on one side and a wall on the other. This shot > never appears in the film. > > Also in Moria, there is a shot of Boromir and Aragorn peering around an > outcropping of rock. What are they peering at? What makes them seem > almost nervous? Can't say, this shot does not appear in the film. > > And then there are the things everybody has already noted: the > Fellowship fighting orcs on the outskirts of Lorien; the giving of > Galadriel's gifts; the boats of Galadriel; elven maidens running through > the forest; Legolas shooting his bow in Lorien; and a few brief scenes > from The Two Towers, such as Merry's pledge to Theoden and a few shots > from what is likely the battle of Helm's Deep. > > ###### Reply-To: "Taemon" From: "Taemon" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien References: Subject: Re: (FILM) non-film trailer scenes Lines: 10 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:00:52 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.59.13.127 X-Complaints-To: abuse@zonnet.nl X-Trace: zonnet-reader-1 1011553233 62.59.13.127 (Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:00:33 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:00:33 MET Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.easynews.net!easynews.net!easynet-melon!easynet.net!trev!zonnet-feed!zonnet-reader-1.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73467 Eric San Juan wrote: >In the trailer, when the Nazgul storm through the gate into Bree, the >watchman they crush under the door in the film is missing. I can imagine! Greetings, T. ###### From: Ronald O. Christian Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: (FILM) non-film trailer scenes Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.224.252.154 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc53 1011549729 12.224.252.154 (Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:02:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:02:09 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:02:09 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc53.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73486 On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:44:58 +0100, "Emil Rune" wrote: >All i can say is....Bring on the 4-hour dvd version and give us the gold! >I can't wait! > >Emil > I thought it was nine hours. Ron www.europa.com/~ronc "If UN peacekeeping had been involved during the US civil war, it'd still be going on today." ###### From: "Eric San Juan" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien References: Subject: Re: (FILM) non-film trailer scenes Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:02:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.39.122.12 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.nj.home.com 1011549741 68.39.122.12 (Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:02:21 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:02:21 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!news-in-sanjose!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.nj.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73476 "Blue" wrote in message news:a2es2i$45tt$1@as201.hinet.hr... > "Eric San Juan" wrote in message > news:IOA28.3082$kp6.325006@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com... > > Much has been said of the vast number of film still existing from cut > > scenes. The other evening I decided to take a peek at the four trailers > > and see what I could see. Here are a few observations: > > all of these scenes will be in directors cut DVD wich will come out around > may You might consider rephrasing your conjecture and rumor so that it does not appear to be fact. It's not. It's guesswork. ###### From: "Eric San Juan" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien References: Subject: Re: (FILM) non-film trailer scenes Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:21:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.39.122.12 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.nj.home.com 1011550866 68.39.122.12 (Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:21:06 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:21:06 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!news-in-sanjose!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.nj.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73477 "Ronald O. Christian" wrote in message news:c41m4uclubhd3hkh5471cbmt1vsvg8jt62@4ax.com... > On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:44:58 +0100, "Emil Rune" > wrote: > >All i can say is....Bring on the 4-hour dvd version and give us the gold! > >I can't wait! > > > > I thought it was nine hours. That's a lie. The DVD version will be 7.5 hours, and will feature the Old Forest and the Barrow Downs. Instead of Bombadil rescuing them, Farmer Maggot helps them out. It's all about truth, man. ###### From: "JerryLove" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien References: Subject: Re: (FILM) non-film trailer scenes Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:09:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.32.102.182 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.tampabay.rr.com 1011557382 65.32.102.182 (Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:09:42 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:09:42 EST Organization: RoadRunner - TampaBay Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!asynchrone!proxad.net!wanadoo.fr!opentransit.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73504 "Eric San Juan" wrote in message news:NCD28.3248$kp6.389715@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com... > "Blue" wrote in message > > "Eric San Juan" wrote in message > > > Much has been said of the vast number of film still existing from > > > cut scenes. The other evening I decided to take a peek at the four > > > trailers and see what I could see. Here are a few observations: > > > all of these scenes will be in directors cut DVD wich will come out > > around may > You might consider rephrasing your conjecture and rumor so that it does > not appear to be fact. It's not. It's guesswork. And not good guesswork. Since one scene is already in the movie with post work done (the gate of Bree) it's silly to assume the'll "add" a less-complete version. And if teh speculation about a scene being from TT is correct, that would be a really silly add to FotR as well eh? One must also assume that footage unfit for anywhere in the movie would be useful for a trailer, and of-course stuff that got reshot. Jerry ###### From: "Eric San Juan" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien References: Subject: Re: (FILM) non-film trailer scenes Lines: 46 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:59:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.39.122.12 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.nj.home.com 1011571159 68.39.122.12 (Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:59:19 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:59:19 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.nj.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73600 "JerryLove" wrote in message news:auF28.392790$oj3.74971723@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com... > "Eric San Juan" wrote in message > news:NCD28.3248$kp6.389715@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com... > > "Blue" wrote in message > > > "Eric San Juan" wrote in message > > > > > Much has been said of the vast number of film still existing from > > > > cut scenes. The other evening I decided to take a peek at the four > > > > trailers and see what I could see. Here are a few observations: > > > > > > all of these scenes will be in directors cut DVD wich will come out > > > around may > > > You might consider rephrasing your conjecture and rumor so that it does > > not appear to be fact. It's not. It's guesswork. > > And not good guesswork. Since one scene is already in the movie with post > work done (the gate of Bree) it's silly to assume the'll "add" a > less-complete version. And if teh speculation about a scene being from TT is > correct, that would be a really silly add to FotR as well eh? One must also > assume that footage unfit for anywhere in the movie would be useful for a > trailer, and of-course stuff that got reshot. Naturally. The fact that the trailer contains an alternate take of Galadriel's "even the smallest person" line, for instance. Why, pray tell, would we see that on the DVD? It does not make a great deal of sense. Many, many folks are pretending to know just what will and will not be included on the forthcoming extended film to be released on DVD, but about the only thing we know for sure is that such a DVD is coming. That's rather vague. We can make assumptions and guesses and engage in educated rumor-swapping, but in the end that's all it will be - rumor swapping. ###### From: Trinker Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: (FILM) non-film trailer scenes Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:06:56 -0800 Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3C4B93E0.B774B02A@yahoo.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-63-200-200-81.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net (63.200.200.81) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1011585798 34319212 63.200.200.81 (16 [98943]) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!skynet.be!skynet.be!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!adsl-63-200-200-81.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.NET!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73509 Eric San Juan wrote: > Naturally. The fact that the trailer contains an alternate take of > Galadriel's "even the smallest person" line, for instance. Why, pray > tell, would we see that on the DVD? It does not make a great deal of > sense. > > Many, many folks are pretending to know just what will and will not be > included on the forthcoming extended film to be released on DVD, but > about the only thing we know for sure is that such a DVD is coming. > That's rather vague. We can make assumptions and guesses and engage in > educated rumor-swapping, but in the end that's all it will be - rumor > swapping. Well...they *do* often put the trailers on the DVD. --Trinker ###### From: kern@grinnell.edu (Chris Kern) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: (FILM) non-film trailer scenes Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 05:30:24 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3c4ba756.6541335@news.newsguy.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-672.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73561 On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:59:19 GMT, "Eric San Juan" posted the following: >Many, many folks are pretending to know just what will and will not be >included on the forthcoming extended film to be released on DVD, but >about the only thing we know for sure is that such a DVD is coming. >That's rather vague. We can make assumptions and guesses and engage in >educated rumor-swapping, but in the end that's all it will be - rumor >swapping. I could have sworn I read an interview where Peter Jackson said that any footage cut for time would be on the DVD. I could be wrong, or maybe that's still not quite certain. -Chris ###### From: Ronald O. Christian Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: (FILM) non-film trailer scenes Message-ID: <43en4u882nsvi6vn3stunkqul2psm6urh0@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.224.252.154 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net 1011595805 12.224.252.154 (Mon, 21 Jan 2002 06:50:05 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 06:50:05 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 06:50:05 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.204!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73649 On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:21:06 GMT, "Eric San Juan" wrote: >"Ronald O. Christian" wrote in message >news:c41m4uclubhd3hkh5471cbmt1vsvg8jt62@4ax.com... >> On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:44:58 +0100, "Emil Rune" >> wrote: >> >All i can say is....Bring on the 4-hour dvd version and give us the >gold! >> >I can't wait! >> > >> >> I thought it was nine hours. > >That's a lie. The DVD version will be 7.5 hours, and will feature the >Old Forest and the Barrow Downs. Instead of Bombadil rescuing them, >Farmer Maggot helps them out. > >It's all about truth, man. > Nah, once they put back the Mirrormere and the rest of Cahadras, it's eight hours fifty three, easy. Ron www.europa.com/~ronc "If UN peacekeeping had been involved during the US civil war, it'd still be going on today." ###### From: Ronald O. Christian Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: (FILM) non-film trailer scenes Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.224.252.154 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net 1011595907 12.224.252.154 (Mon, 21 Jan 2002 06:51:47 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 06:51:47 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 06:51:47 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn2feed!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73621 On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:48:45 +0100, "Blue" wrote: >all of these scenes will be in directors cut DVD wich will come out around >may ...except, of course, for the ones that do not take place in Fellowship of the Ring. >[...] >> And then there are the things everybody has already noted: the >> Fellowship fighting orcs on the outskirts of Lorien; the giving of >> Galadriel's gifts; the boats of Galadriel; elven maidens running through >> the forest; Legolas shooting his bow in Lorien; and a few brief scenes >> from The Two Towers, such as Merry's pledge to Theoden and a few shots >> from what is likely the battle of Helm's Deep. >> >> www.europa.com/~ronc "If UN peacekeeping had been involved during the US civil war, it'd still be going on today." ###### From: Ronald O. Christian Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: (FILM) non-film trailer scenes Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.224.252.154 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc53 1011595955 12.224.252.154 (Mon, 21 Jan 2002 06:52:35 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 06:52:35 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 06:52:35 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.204!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!rwcrnsc53.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73623 On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:02:21 GMT, "Eric San Juan" wrote: >"Blue" wrote in message >news:a2es2i$45tt$1@as201.hinet.hr... >> "Eric San Juan" wrote in message >> news:IOA28.3082$kp6.325006@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com... >> > Much has been said of the vast number of film still existing from >cut >> > scenes. The other evening I decided to take a peek at the four >trailers >> > and see what I could see. Here are a few observations: > >> >> all of these scenes will be in directors cut DVD wich will come out >around >> may > >You might consider rephrasing your conjecture and rumor so that it does >not appear to be fact. It's not. It's guesswork. > More likely wishful thinking. Ron www.europa.com/~ronc "If UN peacekeeping had been involved during the US civil war, it'd still be going on today." ###### From: JRStern@gte.net (JRStern) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: (FILM) non-film trailer scenes Message-ID: <3c4ca40c.27700891@news.gte.net> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 15 X-Trace: /w/U24QU2NNJjaMUHbbdeiJaeZuhBJEMDq5hF7lMMYFJPxmllRo50Ym9S3aP67L9vTzoGp2ujVE4!MFMxnqXbI5QqyrA5X1/Fizz7uPp420YRs0dCmv1H5Nf4ALepw7ogsTUCLb6zLys= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:27:38 GMT Distribution: world Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:27:38 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!cyclone.bc.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73756 On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:50:16 GMT, "Eric San Juan" wrote: >Much has been said of the vast number of film still existing from cut >scenes. The other evening I decided to take a peek at the four trailers >and see what I could see. Here are a few observations: ... When I first saw the trailer, I was *hoping* that most of the clips were trailer-only footage. It's pretty common. The DVD for the Maltese Falcon shows the trailer for that movie, and I think none of its scenes are in the actual flick, so it's not exactly new practice, either! J. ###### From: "Joe6" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien References: Subject: Re: (FILM) non-film trailer scenes Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:39:36 -0000 Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net (please include full headers) X-Trace: ac3e1102689633a84b7f86786607400001d67a114c52e00684e748003c4ca50a NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:32:26 GMT Message-ID: <1011655946.31379.0@eurus.uk.clara.net> Lines: 27 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!btnet-peer!btnet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!eurus Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73811 "Eric San Juan" wrote in message news:IOA28.3082$kp6.325006@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com... > The trailers and most of the television spots show a clip of Gandalf, > sans hat and apparently at the Council, saying "It must be destroyed" in > quiet an excited and serious way. This was never in the film. Gandalf > doesn't say much at the Council in the film. When Gandalf begins to suspect that Bilbo's ring is in fact the One Ring and leaves the Shire in a hurry, we are shown a montage of scenes featuring the Nazgul issuing forth from Minas Morgul and Gandalf riding to Minas Tirith. Of course, anyone who hasn't read the book will have no idea what these places are or fully understand how they fit into the story, but later on when Gandalf visits Saruman, the Chief informs him that the Nazgul have left Minas Morgul dressed "as riders in black", so the association will probably click in the mind of a non-Tolkien reader. OK, no problems there, a neat piece of storytelling by Jackson. However, Minas Tirith is never referred to by name in the film, and it is never explained what the hell this mysterious city is that Gandalf visits and why it has all these historical records for him to peruse. I would guess that the scene you refer to above is where Gandalf gives some information regarding his investigations, like where he's been and what he's been doing. If this is the case, I think it is an important scene for someone new to LotR and it should really have been left in, even if it meant sacrificing the pointless collapsing stairs scene in Moria. :) ###### From: "Jette Goldie" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien References: <1011655946.31379.0@eurus.uk.clara.net> Subject: Re: (FILM) non-film trailer scenes Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-Trace: R7Aw08LETmr1sF0ILcemkWm8lvBSCQ/hgi6WlYzIx5W8MGf1LNEr3+B17ajWGsZqRgHVV4j8dCLy!4ewsxzVO0K0wqhRIozeCnsI= X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: abuse@blueyonder.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:20:08 GMT Organization: blueyonder (post doesn't reflect views of blueyonder) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:20:08 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!teaser.fr!proxad.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!internal-news-hub.cableinet.net!news-text.cableinet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73962 Joe6 wrote >However, Minas Tirith is never referred to > by name in the film, and it is never explained what the hell this mysterious > city is that Gandalf visits and why it has all these historical records for > him to peruse. I dare say anyone who sees Minas Tirith in the later movies might make the connection - as in "Doh! so *that* is where Gandalf went for info!" -- Jette (aka Vinyaduriel) "Work for Peace and remain fiercely loving" - Jim Byrnes jette@blueyonder.co.uk http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/fanfic.html ###### Message-ID: <3C4DD6CC.587E@pacbell.net> From: "D.G. Porter" Reply-To: dgporterNOSPAM@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: (FILM) non-film trailer scenes References: <1011655946.31379.0@eurus.uk.clara.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.112.46.150 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr14.news.prodigy.com 1011734271 ST000 67.112.46.150 (Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:17:51 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:17:51 EST Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com X-UserInfo1: TSUGG\[EEZUWC\\Y\BCD^VX@WB]^PCPDLXUNNHLHEQR@ETUCCNSKQFCY@TXDX_WHSVB]ZEJLSNY\^J[CUVSA_QLFC^RQHUPH[P[NRWCCMLSNPOD_ESALHUK@TDFUZHBLJ\XGKL^NXA\EVHSP[D_C^B_^JCX^W]CHBAX]POG@SSAZQ\LE[DCNMUPG_VSC@VJM Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:17:51 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr14.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73707 Jette Goldie wrote: > > Joe6 wrote > > >However, Minas Tirith is never referred to > > by name in the film, and it is never explained what the hell this > mysterious > > city is that Gandalf visits and why it has all these historical records > for > > him to peruse. > > I dare say anyone who sees Minas Tirith in the later > movies might make the connection - as in "Doh! > so *that* is where Gandalf went for info!" I would guess that the DVD cut will have some kind of inkling to tie it together... I wondered where he had gone too, having forgotten this. Minas Troney in the soup again... ###### From: s.souter@edfac.usyd.edu.au (Stephen Souter) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: (FILM) non-film trailer scenes Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:24:37 +1100 Organization: University of Sydney Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <1011655946.31379.0@eurus.uk.clara.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mac39a36.edfac.usyd.edu.au X-Trace: spacebar.ucc.usyd.edu.au 1011781484 908 129.78.104.167 (23 Jan 2002 10:24:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.usyd.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jan 2002 10:24:44 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!newsfeed.zip.com.au!news.uwa.edu.au!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.usyd.edu.au!mac39a36.edfac.usyd.edu.au!user Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73716 In article , "Jette Goldie" wrote: > Joe6 wrote > > >However, Minas Tirith is never referred to > > by name in the film, and it is never explained what the hell this > > mysterious city is that Gandalf visits and why it has all these historical > > records for him to peruse. > > I dare say anyone who sees Minas Tirith in the later > movies might make the connection - as in "Doh! > so *that* is where Gandalf went for info!" Perhaps, but they may have to wait a while. We will probably not be seeing very much more of Minas Tirith until the third film, and that will not be out until Christmas 2003. By then many may not even remember the "mysterious city" glimpsed in a single brief sequence in a film they'd seen two years before? :) -- Stephen Souter s.souter@edfac.usyd.edu.au http://www.edfac.usyd.edu.au/staff/souters/