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It took a while to produce this after the film but well, I found a
copy of the novelization of Fellowship of the Rings when I checked my
bookstore the other day, and all I can say is that it's a travesty.  

I have yet to hear of a novelization that is as good as the movie and
this one is no exception.  One of the problems of novelizations is
that, in fact, a picture is worth a thousand words, and all too often
writers take a thousand words to describe that which was skillfully
limned with one or two shots in the movie.

The opening sequence in the Shire lacks much of the humor of the
original.  Gandalf's awkwardness in Bilbo's home, the instant rapport
that Gandalf had with the hobbit children are not successfully
conveyed.  Instead, all you get is a long-winded view of suburban
middle class living for the most part, punctuated by a few
melodramatic and cryptic hints.

Things pick up on their way to Bree, but the author insists on
providing each face with a character all of its own, dragging the
narrative on to tedious length.

To take one segment out of sequence, the part of the journey to
Rivendell is flat out WRONG.  There is a misguided attempt to detract
from Aragon's role as the hero of the film by pumping up a puny dweeb
dwarf wanna be, Frodo, as the hero, by of all things, having him
defying the Nazgul at the River!!!  To add insult to injury, the
author has, if you will pardon the term, emasculated Arwen, by leaving
her out of this pivotal role and replacing her with some shadowy fey
character Glordilocks or something inane like that.  What century does
this fellow think he is living in?

Finally, my biggest objection to the novelization (or should I say
bastardization?)?  Two words

Tom Bombadil.

For one thing the name is to close to Boromir (show some imagination,
Jack) and if he was in the film they would have been forced to cast
Robin Williams, no one else can pull off that twee, heavy-handed
cuteness.  Thank god they didn't even try!  All that this character
does is provide an unnecessary attempt to show that the world is
deeper than one thought and there are some things and some forces more
powerful.  Well, D'oh!

Oh, and before I finish, having this buffoon give the hobbits their
swords from some antique midden rather than showing that Strider had
the forethought to carry with him hobbit sized swords is just plain
dumb.

This is a classic example of a poor reworking of original material.
Memo to P. Jackson, the next time you are going to have a
novelization, give it to David Gerrolds or some competent writer
rather than some hack whose only way of conveying the appropriate
medieval atmosphere is by forcing some archaic language.

If you enjoyed the movie, its fight scenes, it's quick pace, take my
advice and see it ten, no twenty  more times.  It will be time better
spent than reading this doorstop of a book.

</s>

######

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<kueikutzu@-remove-hotmail.com> skrev i melding
news:3c485de8.5107293@netnews.worldnet.att.net...
> It took a while to produce this after the film but well, I found a
> copy of the novelization of Fellowship of the Rings when I checked my
> bookstore the other day, and all I can say is that it's a travesty.
>
> I have yet to hear of a novelization that is as good as the movie and
> this one is no exception.

Well done. :)

*applause*

######

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On 1/18/02 1:04 PM, in the great literary work
3c485de8.5107293@netnews.worldnet.att.net, the profound and prolific
kueikutzu@-remove-hotmail.com of kueikutzu@-remove-hotmail.com articulated:

> It took a while to produce this after the film but well, I found a
> copy of the novelization of Fellowship of the Rings when I checked my
> bookstore the other day, and all I can say is that it's a travesty.

Now *that* was funny. :-)
-- 
Michael

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He who cannot reason is a fool
He who dares not, is a slave."
- - William Drummond --

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kueikutzu@-remove-hotmail.com wrote:
> 
> It took a while to produce this after the film but well, I found a
> copy of the novelization of Fellowship of the Rings when I checked my
> bookstore the other day, and all I can say is that it's a travesty.
> 
> I have yet to hear of a novelization that is as good as the movie and
> this one is no exception.  One of the problems of novelizations is
> that, in fact, a picture is worth a thousand words, and all too often
> writers take a thousand words to describe that which was skillfully
> limned with one or two shots in the movie.
> 
> The opening sequence in the Shire lacks much of the humor of the
> original.  Gandalf's awkwardness in Bilbo's home, the instant rapport
> that Gandalf had with the hobbit children are not successfully
> conveyed.  Instead, all you get is a long-winded view of suburban
> middle class living for the most part, punctuated by a few
> melodramatic and cryptic hints.
> 
> Things pick up on their way to Bree, but the author insists on
> providing each face with a character all of its own, dragging the
> narrative on to tedious length.
> 
> To take one segment out of sequence, the part of the journey to
> Rivendell is flat out WRONG.  There is a misguided attempt to detract
> from Aragon's role as the hero of the film by pumping up a puny dweeb
> dwarf wanna be, Frodo, as the hero, by of all things, having him
> defying the Nazgul at the River!!!  To add insult to injury, the
> author has, if you will pardon the term, emasculated Arwen, by leaving
> her out of this pivotal role and replacing her with some shadowy fey
> character Glordilocks or something inane like that.  What century does
> this fellow think he is living in?
> 
> Finally, my biggest objection to the novelization (or should I say
> bastardization?)?  Two words
> 
> Tom Bombadil.
> 
> For one thing the name is to close to Boromir (show some imagination,
> Jack) and if he was in the film they would have been forced to cast
> Robin Williams, no one else can pull off that twee, heavy-handed
> cuteness.  Thank god they didn't even try!  All that this character
> does is provide an unnecessary attempt to show that the world is
> deeper than one thought and there are some things and some forces more
> powerful.  Well, D'oh!
> 
> Oh, and before I finish, having this buffoon give the hobbits their
> swords from some antique midden rather than showing that Strider had
> the forethought to carry with him hobbit sized swords is just plain
> dumb.
> 
> This is a classic example of a poor reworking of original material.
> Memo to P. Jackson, the next time you are going to have a
> novelization, give it to David Gerrolds or some competent writer
> rather than some hack whose only way of conveying the appropriate
> medieval atmosphere is by forcing some archaic language.
> 
> If you enjoyed the movie, its fight scenes, it's quick pace, take my
> advice and see it ten, no twenty  more times.  It will be time better
> spent than reading this doorstop of a book.
> 
> </s>

And to make things even worse, the final fight scene isn't even in this
friggin' book!  No Boromir horn, no shot full of arrows, no corpse
riding over the water falls!

######

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LOLOLOL:)
Jon.

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In alt.fan.tolkien D.G. Porter <dgporterNOSPAM@pacbell.net> wrote:
snip

You know snip

######

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In article <3C486EC9.2AA6@pacbell.net>, dgporterNOSPAM@pacbell.net wrote:

>long original post snipped

> 
> And to make things even worse, the final fight scene isn't even in this
> friggin' book!  No Boromir horn, no shot full of arrows, no corpse
> riding over the water falls!

Wot, no criticism or chastisement from the powers that be, over bandwidth
wastage here? Where are the FAQ police when you need them?


Bob

######

From: robin@ratnest.demon.co.uk (Bob)
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In article <3C486EC9.2AA6@pacbell.net>, dgporterNOSPAM@pacbell.net wrote:
  No Boromir horn, no shot full of arrows, no corpse
> riding over the water falls!

Incidentally, I don't know which version of FotR you were reading but all
three of these things you mention were in mine.


Bob

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Bob <robin@ratnest.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:robin-1801022312510001@ratnest.demon.co.uk...
> In article <3C486EC9.2AA6@pacbell.net>, dgporterNOSPAM@pacbell.net wrote:
>   No Boromir horn, no shot full of arrows, no corpse
> > riding over the water falls!
>
> Incidentally, I don't know which version of FotR you were reading but all
> three of these things you mention were in mine.
>
>

Would your version of FotR be the one entitled "The Two Towers"?

--
Apteryx
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From: kern@grinnell.edu (Chris Kern)
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 23:16:30 GMT, robin@ratnest.demon.co.uk (Bob)
wrote:

>In article <3C486EC9.2AA6@pacbell.net>, dgporterNOSPAM@pacbell.net wrote:
>  No Boromir horn, no shot full of arrows, no corpse
>> riding over the water falls!
>
>Incidentally, I don't know which version of FotR you were reading but all
>three of these things you mention were in mine.

Perhaps if you have the special FotR edition which also contains TT
and RotK ;)

-Chris (ok, I admit, I'm not sure whether this was just a continuation
of the sarcasm or not)

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You Funny.

kueikutzu@-remove-hotmail.com wrote in message news:<3c485de8.5107293@netnews.worldnet.att.net>...
> It took a while to produce this after the film but well, I found a
> copy of the novelization of Fellowship of the Rings when I checked my
> bookstore the other day, and all I can say is that it's a travesty.  
> 
> I have yet to hear of a novelization that is as good as the movie and
> this one is no exception.  One of the problems of novelizations is
> that, in fact, a picture is worth a thousand words, and all too often
> writers take a thousand words to describe that which was skillfully
> limned with one or two shots in the movie.
> 
> The opening sequence in the Shire lacks much of the humor of the
> original.  Gandalf's awkwardness in Bilbo's home, the instant rapport
> that Gandalf had with the hobbit children are not successfully
> conveyed.  Instead, all you get is a long-winded view of suburban
> middle class living for the most part, punctuated by a few
> melodramatic and cryptic hints.
> 
> Things pick up on their way to Bree, but the author insists on
> providing each face with a character all of its own, dragging the
> narrative on to tedious length.
> 
> To take one segment out of sequence, the part of the journey to
> Rivendell is flat out WRONG.  There is a misguided attempt to detract
> from Aragon's role as the hero of the film by pumping up a puny dweeb
> dwarf wanna be, Frodo, as the hero, by of all things, having him
> defying the Nazgul at the River!!!  To add insult to injury, the
> author has, if you will pardon the term, emasculated Arwen, by leaving
> her out of this pivotal role and replacing her with some shadowy fey
> character Glordilocks or something inane like that.  What century does
> this fellow think he is living in?
> 
> Finally, my biggest objection to the novelization (or should I say
> bastardization?)?  Two words
> 
> Tom Bombadil.
> 
> For one thing the name is to close to Boromir (show some imagination,
> Jack) and if he was in the film they would have been forced to cast
> Robin Williams, no one else can pull off that twee, heavy-handed
> cuteness.  Thank god they didn't even try!  All that this character
> does is provide an unnecessary attempt to show that the world is
> deeper than one thought and there are some things and some forces more
> powerful.  Well, D'oh!
> 
> Oh, and before I finish, having this buffoon give the hobbits their
> swords from some antique midden rather than showing that Strider had
> the forethought to carry with him hobbit sized swords is just plain
> dumb.
> 
> This is a classic example of a poor reworking of original material.
> Memo to P. Jackson, the next time you are going to have a
> novelization, give it to David Gerrolds or some competent writer
> rather than some hack whose only way of conveying the appropriate
> medieval atmosphere is by forcing some archaic language.
> 
> If you enjoyed the movie, its fight scenes, it's quick pace, take my
> advice and see it ten, no twenty  more times.  It will be time better
> spent than reading this doorstop of a book.
> 
> </s>

######

From: robin@ratnest.demon.co.uk (Bob)
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In article <3c48bf55.11167219@enews.newsguy.com>, kern@grinnell.edu (Chris
Kern) wrote:


> Perhaps if you have the special FotR edition which also contains TT
> and RotK ;)
> 


Okay! I got it wrong - but you got the gist.


Bob

thanks muggle_girl

######

From: robin@ratnest.demon.co.uk (Bob)
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In article <27a283bb.0201181638.bc74e0f@posting.google.com>,
rjc2001@aol.com (Strykur) wrote:

> You Funny.

>
snippetey snip
>


Hello? FAQ police?


Bob

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muggle_girl wrote:
> 
> Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking when I read this post.......
> hmmmmm....

Well, I went back to my 3-volume copy -- FotR ends with Frodo and Sam
going off on their own, and the battle with the Orcs not yet having
happened (p. 524 -- Aragorn sends Boromir after Merry and Pippin).  TTT
begins with the sounding of Boromir's horn (p. 17) and them coming
across him just as he is dying (p. 18), and then sending his body over
the falls of Rauros (p. 22).  Now the wierd thing is that the Synopsis
of FotR in TTT mentions the company being overwhelmed by the Orcs, but
this clearly happens in TTT.
 
> "Bob" <robin@ratnest.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:robin-1801022312510001@ratnest.demon.co.uk...
> > In article <3C486EC9.2AA6@pacbell.net>, dgporterNOSPAM@pacbell.net wrote:
> >   No Boromir horn, no shot full of arrows, no corpse
> > > riding over the water falls!
> >
> > Incidentally, I don't know which version of FotR you were reading but all
> > three of these things you mention were in mine.
> >
> >
> > Bob

######

From: bnh@chem.ucla.edu (Bruce N. Hietbrink)
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In article <3c485de8.5107293@netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
kueikutzu@-remove-hotmail.com wrote:

> It took a while to produce this after the film but well, I found a
> copy of the novelization of Fellowship of the Rings when I checked my
> bookstore the other day, and all I can say is that it's a travesty.  


Hee-hee!  This was pretty good.  My main complaint with the 
novelization is all those songs and stories!  C'mon, why did this
guy add all of this backstory?  Like he was trying to act like he
knew more about Middle Earth than our man Peter Jackson.  Hmmph.

Also, the novelizer (is that a word?) totally screwed up the time
line.  He forgot to tell us anything about the story of Gandalf
and Saruman until the middle of the book, when he tried to
shove it in to the Council of Elrond.  

For that matter he also left out the long battle with the troll in Moria.
What a slacker!  Instead he felt the need to replace it with long
interludes in Lorien.  Galadriel is cute and all, but doesn't have
any real characterization in the movie, so to waste all of this
time on her in the novelization is really bad.

Bruce

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On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:04:56 GMT, kueikutzu@-remove-hotmail.com wrote:

>
>I have yet to hear of a novelization that is as good as the movie and
>this one is no exception.  

I have, and yes those are exceptions to the rule.  As an example of
one, the novelization of "Star Wars" back in '77 was excellent and
filled in many holes in the story that otherwise would left moviegoers
puzzled - "What was this "Old Republic"?  "Who were these Jedi, and
what happened to them?" - that sort of thing. 

As you say, those are the exception to the rule and I'm VERY
disappointed if they made a novelization based on the movie - THERE'S
ALREADY A PERFECTLY GOOD BOOK IT'S BASED ON!  WHY TRY TO CHANGE THE
BOOK???
--
It only _looks_ like a little stick. Until you see it up close.

######

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On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 01:32:18 GMT, robin@ratnest.demon.co.uk (Bob)
wrote:

<snip>

You rang?

--
It only _looks_ like a little stick. Until you see it up close.

######

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On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 01:47:57 GMT, "D.G. Porter"
<dgporterNOSPAM@pacbell.net> wrote:

>muggle_girl wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking when I read this post.......
>> hmmmmm....
>
>Well, I went back to my 3-volume copy -- FotR ends with Frodo and Sam
>going off on their own, and the battle with the Orcs not yet having
>happened (p. 524 -- Aragorn sends Boromir after Merry and Pippin).  TTT
>begins with the sounding of Boromir's horn (p. 17) and them coming
>across him just as he is dying (p. 18), and then sending his body over
>the falls of Rauros (p. 22).  Now the wierd thing is that the Synopsis
>of FotR in TTT mentions the company being overwhelmed by the Orcs, but
>this clearly happens in TTT.
> 
>> "Bob" <robin@ratnest.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:robin-1801022312510001@ratnest.demon.co.uk...
>> > In article <3C486EC9.2AA6@pacbell.net>, dgporterNOSPAM@pacbell.net wrote:
>> >   No Boromir horn, no shot full of arrows, no corpse
>> > > riding over the water falls!
>> >
>> > Incidentally, I don't know which version of FotR you were reading but all
>> > three of these things you mention were in mine.
>> >
>> >
>> > Bob

That sound you hear is of Bob being hoist with his own petard.



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From: kern@grinnell.edu (Chris Kern)
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 02:43:50 GMT, OrionCA <orionca@earthlink.net>
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>On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:04:56 GMT, kueikutzu@-remove-hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>>I have yet to hear of a novelization that is as good as the movie and
>>this one is no exception.  
>
>I have, and yes those are exceptions to the rule.  As an example of
>one, the novelization of "Star Wars" back in '77 was excellent and
>filled in many holes in the story that otherwise would left moviegoers
>puzzled - "What was this "Old Republic"?  "Who were these Jedi, and
>what happened to them?" - that sort of thing. 

This novelization may please you then...it tries to add it a *lot* of
extra stuff -- the journey to Rivendell is like 250 pages in the
novelization (more than half the book), and I don't remember half of
the movie being the journey to Rivendell.  I'm mostly worried that
Peter Jackson didn't have a lot of this stuff in mind when he made the
movie.

-Chris

######

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On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 05:15:31 GMT, kern@grinnell.edu (Chris Kern)
wrote:

>On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 02:43:50 GMT, OrionCA <orionca@earthlink.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:04:56 GMT, kueikutzu@-remove-hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I have yet to hear of a novelization that is as good as the movie and
>>>this one is no exception.  
>>
>>I have, and yes those are exceptions to the rule.  As an example of
>>one, the novelization of "Star Wars" back in '77 was excellent and
>>filled in many holes in the story that otherwise would left moviegoers
>>puzzled - "What was this "Old Republic"?  "Who were these Jedi, and
>>what happened to them?" - that sort of thing. 
>
>This novelization may please you then...it tries to add it a *lot* of
>extra stuff -- the journey to Rivendell is like 250 pages in the
>novelization (more than half the book), and I don't remember half of
>the movie being the journey to Rivendell.  I'm mostly worried that
>Peter Jackson didn't have a lot of this stuff in mind when he made the
>movie.
>

and since it reads word-for-word with the book issued in 1953 I'm less
upset than I was when I posted that.  Yes, I caught on to the
shithead's joke about 3 seconds after I posted that.  If you tolkien
fanboies don't stop whining no one's going to know when to take you
seriously or not.

--
It only _looks_ like a little stick. Until you see it up close.

######

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On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 07:22:51 GMT, OrionCA <orionca@earthlink.net>
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>On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 05:15:31 GMT, kern@grinnell.edu (Chris Kern)
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 02:43:50 GMT, OrionCA <orionca@earthlink.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:04:56 GMT, kueikutzu@-remove-hotmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>
SNIP
>
>and since it reads word-for-word with the book issued in 1953 I'm less
>upset than I was when I posted that.  Yes, I caught on to the
>shithead's joke about 3 seconds after I posted that.  If you tolkien
>fanboies don't stop whining no one's going to know when to take you
>seriously or not.

Bit slow, are we?

Actually, I find that most intelligent people have little difficulty
in parsing my posts.  And they can usually avoid using gutter
language.

There are some people for whom the only reason that a head exists on
their shoulders if that for some obscure reason God liked hats.



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Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking when I read this post.......
hmmmmm....

"Bob" <robin@ratnest.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:robin-1801022312510001@ratnest.demon.co.uk...
> In article <3C486EC9.2AA6@pacbell.net>, dgporterNOSPAM@pacbell.net wrote:
>   No Boromir horn, no shot full of arrows, no corpse
> > riding over the water falls!
>
> Incidentally, I don't know which version of FotR you were reading but all
> three of these things you mention were in mine.
>
>
> Bob

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On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:54:48 GMT, kueikutzu@-remove-hotmail.com wrote:

>
>Bit slow, are we?
>
>Actually, I find that most intelligent people have little difficulty
>in parsing my posts.  And they can usually avoid using gutter
>language.
>

Most intelligent people do this:

<plonk>
--
It only _looks_ like a little stick. Until you see it up close.

######

From: jsavard@ecn.aSBLOKb.caNADA.invalid (John Savard)
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:04:56 GMT, kueikutzu@-remove-hotmail.com wrote,
in part:

>If you enjoyed the movie, its fight scenes, it's quick pace, take my
>advice and see it ten, no twenty  more times.  It will be time better
>spent than reading this doorstop of a book.

LOL.

Looking at the book from the viewpoint of someone who thinks the movie
is better is one way to show the flaws in the movie... although I
didn't think the movie was that bad.

John Savard
http://plaza.powersurfr.com/jsavard/index.html

######

From: jsavard@ecn.aSBLOKb.caNADA.invalid (John Savard)
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 02:43:50 GMT, OrionCA <orionca@earthlink.net>
wrote, in part:

>As you say, those are the exception to the rule and I'm VERY
>disappointed if they made a novelization based on the movie - THERE'S
>ALREADY A PERFECTLY GOOD BOOK IT'S BASED ON!  WHY TRY TO CHANGE THE
>BOOK???

I don't think you read the original post with sufficient care.

John Savard
http://plaza.powersurfr.com/jsavard/index.html

######

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On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:56:39 GMT, jsavard@ecn.aSBLOKb.caNADA.invalid
(John Savard) wrote:

>On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:04:56 GMT, kueikutzu@-remove-hotmail.com wrote,
>in part:
>
>>If you enjoyed the movie, its fight scenes, it's quick pace, take my
>>advice and see it ten, no twenty  more times.  It will be time better
>>spent than reading this doorstop of a book.
>
>LOL.
>
>Looking at the book from the viewpoint of someone who thinks the movie
>is better is one way to show the flaws in the movie... although I
>didn't think the movie was that bad.
>
>John Savard
>http://plaza.powersurfr.com/jsavard/index.html

Nor, I.  I think however, that a few of the film fans are that bad.

Just saw it the second time myself.  very good, but not great.

 -- 
Sindamor Pandaturion
[remove -remove- to reply]

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<kueikutzu@-remove-hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> >Looking at the book from the viewpoint of someone who thinks the movie
> >is better is one way to show the flaws in the movie... although I
> >didn't think the movie was that bad.> Nor, I.  I think however, that a
few of the film fans are that bad.
>
> Just saw it the second time myself.  very good, but not great.
>
>  --
I doubt there are many film fans out there that are not book fans.

######

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On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:19:28 -0500, "Don Jow" <nospam@stupid.com>
wrote:

>
><kueikutzu@-remove-hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:tbjm4u09k760jc7ncqsmg2qmgce8f08np4@4ax.com...
>
>> >
>> >Looking at the book from the viewpoint of someone who thinks the movie
>> >is better is one way to show the flaws in the movie... although I
>> >didn't think the movie was that bad.> Nor, I.  I think however, that a
>few of the film fans are that bad.
>>
>> Just saw it the second time myself.  very good, but not great.
>>
>>  --
>I doubt there are many film fans out there that are not book fans.
>

Curious, upon what are you basing that?

 -- 
Sindamor Pandaturion
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######

From: "Bryan J. Maloney" <bjm10@cornell.edu>
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In article <gjqj4us5e2o8ec5o4rg081q56l5qbodfdc@4ax.com>, 
kueikutzu@-remove-hotmail.com wrote:

> Bit slow, are we?

Here was my thought process on the matter:

What?  A novelization of the movie?  But I thought that this idea had 
been nixed.

Oh, man, the intro to the review looks really scary--it would be 
seriously sad if a "movie novelization" would be the book that the movie 
ended up selling.

Uh, wait...

Isn't that in the???

Oh. Ah--aha!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

-- 
"A 'Cape Cod Salsa' just isn't right."

######

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In article <a1qk4ug9b3kt8cv4t5g8jpnsq170l7qvkg@4ax.com>, OrionCA 
<orionca@earthlink.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:54:48 GMT, kueikutzu@-remove-hotmail.com wrote:
> 
> >
> >Bit slow, are we?
> >
> >Actually, I find that most intelligent people have little difficulty
> >in parsing my posts.  And they can usually avoid using gutter
> >language.
> >
> 
> Most intelligent people do this:
> 
> <plonk>

Ah, yes, the final cry of the idiot:

LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA!!!!!  I CAN'T HEAR YOU!

-- 
"A 'Cape Cod Salsa' just isn't right."

######

From: Fredrik Ekman <ekman@lysator.liu.se>
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Since everyone (for good reason) seemed to like that little spoof, it
perhaps deserves to be pointed out that the idea is not novel. (Not
that I am accusing anyone of theft, mind you!) The following link leads
to an older text in the same vein that is equally brilliant:

http://www.edfac.usyd.edu.au/staff/souters/Humour/Middle-EarthSatire.html

  /Fredrik

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>Subject: Re: Review of Novelization of the movie
>From: Fredrik Ekman

>The following link leads
>to an older text in the same vein that is equally brilliant:
>
>http://www.edfac.usyd.edu.au/staff/souters/Humour/Middle-EarthSatire.html
>
>  /Fredrik

Thanks! :)

######

From: jsavard@ecn.aSBLOKb.caNADA.invalid (John Savard)
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On 22 Jan 2002 17:46:37 +0100, Fredrik Ekman <ekman@lysator.liu.se>
wrote, in part:

>Since everyone (for good reason) seemed to like that little spoof, it
>perhaps deserves to be pointed out that the idea is not novel. (Not
>that I am accusing anyone of theft, mind you!) The following link leads
>to an older text in the same vein that is equally brilliant:
>
>http://www.edfac.usyd.edu.au/staff/souters/Humour/Middle-EarthSatire.html

Ah, yes, I read that one. (It's *not* about the book in relation to
the movie, as it dates from before the movie - it's the classic about
LotR as a D&D spinoff.)

John Savard
http://plaza.powersurfr.com/jsavard/index.html

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On 22 Jan 2002 17:46:37 +0100, Fredrik Ekman <ekman@lysator.liu.se>
wrote:

>Since everyone (for good reason) seemed to like that little spoof,

Actually, some of us don't like trolling.  For good reason.

--
It only _looks_ like a little stick. Until you see it up close.

######

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"OrionCA" <orionca@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> On 22 Jan 2002 17:46:37 +0100, Fredrik Ekman <ekman@lysator.liu.se>
> wrote:
>
> >Since everyone (for good reason) seemed to like that little spoof,
>
> Actually, some of us don't like trolling.  For good reason.


And of course you're not in the least bit bitter because you fell hook, line
and sinker for an obvious spoof.... now are you?

Jon


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