From: "Jared Johnston" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: LOTR swords Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:54:37 EST Organization: WebUseNet Corp. http://corp.webusenet.com - ReInventing the UseNet Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:56:43 -0500 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed.nextra.ch!news.nextra.ch!nextra.at!newsfeed4.cidera.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!fs01-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!filter.west.usenetserver.com!filter.usenetserver.com!atlpnn01.usenetserver.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:72368 I just purchased all three LOTR swords from United Cutlery and they are awesome. Does any one here happen to know which are the next three swords they are planning to make? Jared J ###### From: "Ian" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: LOTR swords Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:27:46 -0000 Organization: University of Cambridge, England Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: igfm2.joh.cam.ac.uk X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!fu-berlin.de!server1.netnews.ja.net!pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73233 "Jared Johnston" wrote in message news:h%p08.4856$k87.649037@atlpnn01.usenetserver.com... > I just purchased all three LOTR swords from United Cutlery and they are > awesome. Does any one here happen to know which are the next three swords > they are planning to make? > Jared J No, but if they ever release Legolas' knives, I'm getting a pair ;) -I ###### From: robin@ratnest.demon.co.uk (Bob) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: LOTR swords Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 23:29:23 GMT Organization: self Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ratnest.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: ratnest.demon.co.uk:158.152.144.86 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1011396563 nnrp-02:28242 NO-IDENT ratnest.demon.co.uk:158.152.144.86 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net Lines: 20 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!skynet.be!skynet.be!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!ratnest.demon.co.uk!user Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73281 In article , "Ian" wrote: > "Jared Johnston" wrote in message > news:h%p08.4856$k87.649037@atlpnn01.usenetserver.com... > > I just purchased all three LOTR swords from United Cutlery and they are > > awesome. Does any one here happen to know which are the next three swords > > they are planning to make? > > Jared J > > No, but if they ever release Legolas' knives, I'm getting a pair ;) > -I Oh dear, did we see them in the film? must have missed them. I purchased Sting but am unhappy with the etching of the curl on the blade on the side without the film logo. Thought the hilt was a bit cheap looking as well. Bob ###### From: Dale Hicks Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: LOTR swords Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30 Lines: 12 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 00:42:10 EST Organization: BELLSOUTH.net Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 23:52:55 -0600 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!64.152.100.70!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73187 In article , robin@ratnest.demon.co.uk says... > > > > No, but if they ever release Legolas' knives, I'm getting a pair ;) > > Oh dear, did we see them in the film? must have missed them. Very quickly in the Moria fight, he has to go hand to hand and does a double slash/stab. -- Cranial Crusader dgh1138@bellsouth.net ###### From: OrionCA Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: LOTR swords Organization: Starship Enterprises Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 07:26:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.205.167.26 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1011425199 24.205.167.26 (Fri, 18 Jan 2002 23:26:39 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 23:26:39 PST X-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 23:26:39 PST (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!jfk3-feed1.news.digex.net!dca6-feed2.news.digex.net!intermedia!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73172 On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 23:52:55 -0600, Dale Hicks wrote: >In article , >robin@ratnest.demon.co.uk says... >> > >> > No, but if they ever release Legolas' knives, I'm getting a pair ;) >> >> Oh dear, did we see them in the film? must have missed them. > >Very quickly in the Moria fight, he has to go hand to hand and does a >double slash/stab. I liked the bit with the arrow - didn't have time to draw the bow so he just stabbed the orc with the arrow and went on to shoot the next one. Very nicely done >:) -- It only _looks_ like a little stick. Until you see it up close. ###### From: "Ian" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: LOTR swords Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:24:48 -0000 Organization: University of Cambridge, England Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: igfm2.joh.cam.ac.uk X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news2.euro.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!fu-berlin.de!server1.netnews.ja.net!hgmp.mrc.ac.uk!pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73245 > >> Oh dear, did we see them in the film? must have missed them. Yup :) > >Very quickly in the Moria fight, he has to go hand to hand and does a > >double slash/stab. > > I liked the bit with the arrow - didn't have time to draw the bow so > he just stabbed the orc with the arrow and went on to shoot the next > one. Very nicely done >:) 'Twas...and more generally, though, Orlando Bloom was apparently an extemely good archer by the end of filming, having never touched a bow before...and he looked it :) Another nice one was the double arrows - think he did that twice, but I'm not sure... -Ian ###### From: "The Posting One" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: Subject: Re: LOTR swords Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:10:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.80.96.85 X-Trace: news02.optonline.net 1011460215 67.80.96.85 (Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:10:15 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:10:15 EST Organization: Optimum Online Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!falcon.america.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!news01.optonline.net!news02.optonline.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73282 Question: How do you fake the bow and arrow? Not like you can fire arrow "blanks", and even if you could, the aiming alone would be dependent on the actor. Are the arrows added in digitally and Orlando is just drawing an unloaded bow? "OrionCA" wrote in message news:ar7i4ukhctngvgf8mbinmfsjpnqb0lcho2@4ax.com... > On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 23:52:55 -0600, Dale Hicks > wrote: > > >In article , > >robin@ratnest.demon.co.uk says... > >> > > >> > No, but if they ever release Legolas' knives, I'm getting a pair ;) > >> > >> Oh dear, did we see them in the film? must have missed them. > > > >Very quickly in the Moria fight, he has to go hand to hand and does a > >double slash/stab. > > I liked the bit with the arrow - didn't have time to draw the bow so > he just stabbed the orc with the arrow and went on to shoot the next > one. Very nicely done >:) > -- > It only _looks_ like a little stick. Until you see it up close. ###### From: "Ian" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: LOTR swords Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 18:15:47 -0000 Organization: University of Cambridge, England Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: igfm2.joh.cam.ac.uk X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!btnet-peer!btnet!peer.news.eu-x.com!server2.netnews.ja.net!pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73232 "The Posting One" wrote in message news:XLh28.25531$8P3.5051967@news02.optonline.net... > Question: How do you fake the bow and arrow? Not like you can fire arrow > "blanks", and even if you could, the aiming alone would be dependent on the > actor. Are the arrows added in digitally and Orlando is just drawing an > unloaded bow? They (normally) use real arrows, fired into a 'cork' board under the clothes of the soon-to-be-'dead' actor. He really fires the arrows, they really hit the actor. They just don't go very far into him :) Further, there are only a (fairly) few occasions when you see the arrow go the whole way from bow to target (from memory), and there are some (cave troll scene) when the target is a green screen addition...then it doesn't matter what they hit :) If you wanted more info - try looking for stuff on the making of 'Gladiator' - there're several references to arrows in the director's commentary at least. -I ###### From: robin@ratnest.demon.co.uk (Bob) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: LOTR swords Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 18:23:41 GMT Organization: self Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ratnest.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: ratnest.demon.co.uk:158.152.144.86 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1011464621 nnrp-01:14370 NO-IDENT ratnest.demon.co.uk:158.152.144.86 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net Lines: 16 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!skynet.be!skynet.be!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!ratnest.demon.co.uk!user Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73275 In article , "Ian" wrote: > They (normally) use real arrows, fired into a 'cork' board under the > clothes of the soon-to-be-'dead' actor. He really fires the arrows, they > really hit the actor. They just don't go very far into him :) > Further, there are only a (fairly) few occasions when you see the arrow > go the whole way from bow to target (from memory), and there are some (cave > troll scene) when the target is a green screen addition...then it doesn't > matter what they hit :) There were also instances of animated arrows firing from Legolas' bow. when he was supposed to be doing it ultra fast. Bob ###### From: "Ian" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: LOTR swords Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 18:56:20 -0000 Organization: University of Cambridge, England Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: igfm2.joh.cam.ac.uk X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!skynet.be!skynet.be!peer.news.eu-x.com!server2.netnews.ja.net!pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73247 > There were also instances of animated arrows firing from Legolas' bow. > when he was supposed to be doing it ultra fast. Were there? Out of curiousity - what's the reference? I'd like to re-watch it knowing where :) -I ###### From: "Jette Goldie" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: Subject: Re: LOTR swords Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <5Hl28.4945$Uf2.32142550@news-text.cableinet.net> X-Trace: R77k5TPk4cYRnlJO+Ol1gsnoZsuzquhKOx750JA2e6gSaQDrT/HirRP4iiBiZZRd4ssGLsdccQhw!LNBrE6o/g5XX2kv8hcjTmhI= X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: abuse@blueyonder.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:38:09 GMT Organization: blueyonder (post doesn't reflect views of blueyonder) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:38:09 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!oleane.net!oleane!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!internal-news-hub.cableinet.net!news-text.cableinet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73308 The Posting One wrote in message news:XLh28.25531$8P3.5051967@news02.optonline.net... > Question: How do you fake the bow and arrow? Not like you can fire arrow > "blanks", and even if you could, the aiming alone would be dependent on the > actor. Are the arrows added in digitally and Orlando is just drawing an > unloaded bow? In "Robin of Sherwood" the actor drew the bow then the camera cut and then the stunt person actually fired the arrow. There are some wonderful blooper tapes of Maid Marion "firing" an arrow which then goes *plink* and falls to the ground two inches away. :-) (it's really not that easy to fire a bow) -- Jette "Work for Peace and remain fiercely loving" - Jim Byrnes jette@blueyonder.co.uk http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/fanfic.html ###### From: robin@ratnest.demon.co.uk (Bob) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: LOTR swords Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 22:04:19 GMT Organization: self Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ratnest.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: ratnest.demon.co.uk:158.152.144.86 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1011477859 nnrp-01:19677 NO-IDENT ratnest.demon.co.uk:158.152.144.86 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net Lines: 13 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!skynet.be!skynet.be!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!ratnest.demon.co.uk!user Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73269 In article , "Ian" wrote: > > There were also instances of animated arrows firing from Legolas' bow. > > when he was supposed to be doing it ultra fast. > > Were there? Out of curiousity - what's the reference? I'd like to re-watch > it knowing where :) > -I Its a daytime scene out in the open, so probably at the end on Amen Hen. Bob ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: LOTR swords Date: 20 Jan 2002 00:51:39 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6ug051zypg.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <5Hl28.4945$Uf2.32142550@news-text.cableinet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 1011484299 1495 10.0.3.2 (19 Jan 2002 23:51:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jan 2002 23:51:39 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73346 "Jette Goldie" writes: > There are some wonderful blooper tapes of > Maid Marion "firing" an arrow which then goes > *plink* and falls to the ground two inches away. Now that is difficult to do. Get the arrow to unhook from the string while releasing it. I have managed that once or twice in 3 years. > (it's really not that easy to fire a bow) Nonsense. Firing is easy. I have seen 10s of people get it right on the first shot (and none fail it). The difficuit bit is the aiming so that one hits the target (as opposed to widely (metres) past it). And even that can be learned in a few hours for an near target (as is sufficient for an film near-view of the actor, where a false target is off-screen). -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Sysadmin, Archer, Roleplayer - Intellectual Property is Intellectual Robbery ###### Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: LOTR swords From: Sean Murphy References: <5Hl28.4945$Uf2.32142550@news-text.cableinet.net> <6ug051zypg.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.06.22 Lines: 13 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:32:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.243.43.32 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 1011486749 24.243.43.32 (Sat, 19 Jan 2002 18:32:29 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 18:32:29 CST Organization: Road Runner - Texas Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeeder.edisontel.com!newsfeed4.cidera.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73446 Neil Franklin wrote in news:6ug051zypg.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch: > "Jette Goldie" writes: > >> There are some wonderful blooper tapes of >> Maid Marion "firing" an arrow which then goes *plink* and falls to the >> ground two inches away. > > Now that is difficult to do. Get the arrow to unhook from the string > while releasing it. I have managed that once or twice in 3 years. Not if you never hooked it on the string in the first place... ###### From: robin@ratnest.demon.co.uk (Bob) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: LOTR swords Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:58:33 GMT Organization: self Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ratnest.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: ratnest.demon.co.uk:158.152.144.86 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1011527913 nnrp-07:28216 NO-IDENT ratnest.demon.co.uk:158.152.144.86 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net Lines: 13 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsgate.cistron.nl!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!ratnest.demon.co.uk!user Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73407 In article , "The Posting One" wrote: > Question: How do you fake the bow and arrow? Not like you can fire arrow > "blanks", and even if you could, the aiming alone would be dependent on the > actor. Are the arrows added in digitally and Orlando is just drawing an > unloaded bow? > Yes, he just drew an unloaded bow. Seemed quite obvious to me, one of the worst effects in the film. Bob ###### From: "Jette Goldie" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <5Hl28.4945$Uf2.32142550@news-text.cableinet.net> <6ug051zypg.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Subject: Re: LOTR swords Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-Trace: R7+ih+SbARUyCa5LezwYgSKqFT7D7kgZRWU61M+r0CYXr5nDGatVw/3c+PYDNhBlFPq9lZaKwj5X!nth07R6y+fNOsB40t4Nv/Vk= X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: abuse@blueyonder.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:23:54 GMT Organization: blueyonder (post doesn't reflect views of blueyonder) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:23:54 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!internal-news-hub.cableinet.net!news-text.cableinet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73481 Sean Murphy wrote in message news:Xns919BBCB74A19Dcmurphy2austinrrcom@24.28.95.190... > Neil Franklin wrote in > news:6ug051zypg.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch: > > > "Jette Goldie" writes: > > > >> There are some wonderful blooper tapes of > >> Maid Marion "firing" an arrow which then goes *plink* and falls to the > >> ground two inches away. > > > > Now that is difficult to do. Get the arrow to unhook from the string > > while releasing it. I have managed that once or twice in 3 years. > > Not if you never hooked it on the string in the first place... Yup. And most neophyte bowmen don't learn that immediately. -- Jette (aka Vinyaduriel) "Work for Peace and remain fiercely loving" - Jim Byrnes jette@blueyonder.co.uk http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/fanfic.html ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: LOTR swords Date: 20 Jan 2002 23:29:06 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6uofjo4pxp.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <5Hl28.4945$Uf2.32142550@news-text.cableinet.net> <6ug051zypg.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 1011565746 1280 10.0.3.2 (20 Jan 2002 22:29:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jan 2002 22:29:06 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73508 "Jette Goldie" writes: > Sean Murphy wrote in message > > Neil Franklin wrote in > > > > > "Jette Goldie" writes: > > > > > >> There are some wonderful blooper tapes of > > >> Maid Marion "firing" an arrow which then goes *plink* and falls to the > > >> ground two inches away. > > > > > > Now that is difficult to do. Get the arrow to unhook from the string > > > while releasing it. I have managed that once or twice in 3 years. > > > > Not if you never hooked it on the string in the first place... > > Yup. And most neophyte bowmen don't learn that immediately. Huh? What neophytes do you have around where you live? I have never seen one single starting archer (and that includes children below 10 years) who did not know that. Just watch an single other person shoot and you see how they hook it in before pulling. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Sysadmin, Archer, Roleplayer - Intellectual Property is Intellectual Robbery ###### From: "Jette Goldie" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <5Hl28.4945$Uf2.32142550@news-text.cableinet.net> <6ug051zypg.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <6uofjo4pxp.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Subject: Re: LOTR swords Lines: 41 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-Trace: QXB4GbUdxQyvyLjoyABY8gmVp/Aq7RrOGUquIpqSyFl5ZjFnYbZfsdSBLCoaOteJKnqWrSqGMcGY!VYxRK5N8xu6kXaZ+V86G8nA= X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: abuse@blueyonder.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:22:29 GMT Organization: blueyonder (post doesn't reflect views of blueyonder) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:22:29 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!asynchrone!proxad.net!nerim.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!internal-news-hub.cableinet.net!news-text.cableinet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:73961 Neil Franklin wrote in message news:6uofjo4pxp.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch... > "Jette Goldie" writes: > > > Sean Murphy wrote in message > > > Neil Franklin wrote in > > > > > > > "Jette Goldie" writes: > > > > > > > >> There are some wonderful blooper tapes of > > > >> Maid Marion "firing" an arrow which then goes *plink* and falls to the > > > >> ground two inches away. > > > > > > > > Now that is difficult to do. Get the arrow to unhook from the string > > > > while releasing it. I have managed that once or twice in 3 years. > > > > > > Not if you never hooked it on the string in the first place... > > > > Yup. And most neophyte bowmen don't learn that immediately. > > Huh? What neophytes do you have around where you live? I have never > seen one single starting archer (and that includes children below 10 > years) who did not know that. Just watch an single other person shoot > and you see how they hook it in before pulling. Only actors, dear - I've watched many an actor make a total c*ck-up of drawing a bow. -- Jette (aka Vinyaduriel) "Work for Peace and remain fiercely loving" - Jim Byrnes jette@blueyonder.co.uk http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/fanfic.html ###### From: Rodrick Su Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: LOTR swords Date: 24 Jan 2002 01:29:12 -0600 Organization: Tigana Restoration Inc. Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Xnews/L5 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.novia.net.MISMATCH!novia!novia!sequencer.newscene.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:74126 wrote in news:a2cd78$b4g$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk: > From: "Ian" > Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien > Subject: Re: LOTR swords > Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 18:15:47 -0000 > Organization: University of Cambridge, England > Lines: 21 > Message-ID: > References: > > > > > NNTP-Posting-Host: > igfm2.joh.cam.ac.uk X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > Xref: newscene.com rec.arts.books.tolkien:178820 > > > > "The Posting One" wrote in message > news:XLh28.25531$8P3.5051967@news02.optonline.net... >> Question: How do you fake the bow and arrow? Not like you can fire >> arrow "blanks", and even if you could, the aiming alone would be >> dependent on > the >> actor. Are the arrows added in digitally and Orlando is just drawing >> an unloaded bow? > > They (normally) use real arrows, fired into a 'cork' board under > the > clothes of the soon-to-be-'dead' actor. He really fires the arrows, > they really hit the actor. They just don't go very far into him :) > Further, there are only a (fairly) few occasions when you see the > arrow > go the whole way from bow to target (from memory), and there are some > (cave troll scene) when the target is a green screen addition...then > it doesn't matter what they hit :) > If you wanted more info - try looking for stuff on the making of > 'Gladiator' - there're several references to arrows in the director's > commentary at least. Or in some extreme case, using real arrows. In Akira Kurosawa's version of Macbeth, Mifune's death scene of death by hundreds of arrows, the arrows that missed are real arrows, fired by expert bowsman, trying their best not to kill the star of the movie for real. -- [ Rodrick Su [ ] [ rsu@tigana.com [ I might be crazier than you think ] ###### From: "Ian" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: LOTR swords Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:10:40 -0000 Organization: University of Cambridge, England Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: igfm2.joh.cam.ac.uk X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!skynet.be!skynet.be!peer.news.eu-x.com!server2.netnews.ja.net!pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:74097 > > They (normally) use real arrows, fired into a 'cork' board under the > >clothes of the soon-to-be-'dead' actor. He really fires the arrows, they > >really hit the actor. They just don't go very far into him :) > > Man, that's just ASKING for trouble. Yup :) Fortunately, Ralph Moeller and Tommy Flanagan both survived, and had really good looking deaths in Gladiator :) **SPOILER BELOW** -I Hagen and Cicero :) ###### From: "Ian" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: LOTR swords Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:12:06 -0000 Organization: University of Cambridge, England Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: igfm2.joh.cam.ac.uk X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!skynet.be!skynet.be!peer.news.eu-x.com!server2.netnews.ja.net!pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:74098 "Jared Johnston" wrote in message news:h%p08.4856$k87.649037@atlpnn01.usenetserver.com... > I just purchased all three LOTR swords from United Cutlery and they are > awesome. Does any one here happen to know which are the next three swords > they are planning to make? > Jared J Hopefully, Anduril/Narsil :) That'd be nice... Out of interest, is the Witch King's sword good? -I