From: ed Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: [FILM] Evidence of what was cut Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:29:13 +0000 Organization: Team Rodent Approved: Apparently Message-ID: <5kr24u8hbpskhuskc0umeeq2nh6egqdn2k@4ax.com> Reply-To: edhogg@equus.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: equus.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: equus.demon.co.uk:158.152.255.217 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1010921221 nnrp-08:20969 NO-IDENT equus.demon.co.uk:158.152.255.217 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsgate.cistron.nl!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!194.213.69.151!news.algonet.se!algonet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!equus.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:72164 Hi folks Strolling through the rulebook for the Games Workshop Lord of the Rings Skirmish Wargame I noticed three stills that hint at scenes that ended on the cutting room floor. 1) The four hobbits toiling through bog, Sam at the back holding Bill's reins but Bill not visible 2) Elven bowmen in Lorien gear under trees walking through littered Orc Corpses, obviously the bit where the chasing Orcs don't quite earn their pass through Lorien free card 3) Boromir blowing his horn The game, as well as the book of the film, make it clear that the Orcs of Moria are a smaller and less powerful breed than those common in Mordor. The film book also has a pic of Arwen and Galadriel together, in character, but I don't know if this is just a publicity shot ed -- edhogg@equus.demon.co.uk | Dragons Rescued | _//// http://www.equus.demon.co.uk/ | Maidens Slain | o_/o /// For devilbunnies, Diplomacy, RPGs, | Quests P.O.A. | __\ ///__ Science-Fiction and other stuff | | <*> ###### From: James Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: [FILM] Evidence of what was cut Message-ID: References: <5kr24u8hbpskhuskc0umeeq2nh6egqdn2k@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.80.135.111 X-Trace: ozemail.com.au 1010922500 210.80.135.111 (Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:48:20 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:48:20 EST Organization: OzEmail Ltd, Australia Distribution: world Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:46:19 +1100 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!snewsf0.syd.ops.aspac.uu.net!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!ozemail.com.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:72050 ed : >Hi folks > >Strolling through the rulebook for the Games Workshop Lord of the Rings >Skirmish Wargame I noticed three stills that hint at scenes that ended >on the cutting room floor. [snip] I noticed these, too. Also: there's a shot of the Fellowship receiving their cloaks in Lorien in the second trailer, and a well-publicised still of Gandalf *walking* (not riding) through some grass, neither of which showed up in the studio cut of the film. James "Whoever truly loves the written word must wish frustration and ruin on those who attempt to film it." ###### From: "maxbeerbohm" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: [FILM] Evidence of what was cut Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:26:53 -0000 Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <5kr24u8hbpskhuskc0umeeq2nh6egqdn2k@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-2208.bonobo.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1010945734 28986 217.134.56.160 (13 Jan 2002 18:15:34 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jan 2002 18:15:34 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:71925 "James" wrote in message news:ops24ug5b8697h65rnt2a3ilu5ab3k7ant@4ax.com... > ed : > >Hi folks > > > >Strolling through the rulebook for the Games Workshop Lord of the Rings > >Skirmish Wargame I noticed three stills that hint at scenes that ended > >on the cutting room floor. > [snip] > > I noticed these, too. Also: there's a shot of the Fellowship receiving > their cloaks in Lorien in the second trailer, and a well-publicised > still of Gandalf *walking* (not riding) through some grass, neither of > which showed up in the studio cut of the film. Troll statues?? ###### From: Arwen Lune Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: [FILM] Evidence of what was cut Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:22:18 +0100 Organization: Sith Academy Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <5kr24u8hbpskhuskc0umeeq2nh6egqdn2k@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp202-104-59-62.dialup.zonnet.nl (62.59.104.202) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1010935311 30193520 62.59.104.202 (16 [74898]) X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!skynet.be!skynet.be!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!ppp202-104-59-62.dialup.zonnet.NL!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:71960 Via mysterious ways, a message from ed reached me on Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:29:13 +0000. This is what it read: > Strolling through the rulebook for the Games Workshop Lord of > the Rings Skirmish Wargame I noticed three stills that hint > at scenes that ended on the cutting room floor. Galadriel in the swan boat I'm also fairly certain that there was a scene featuring the Mirrormere, just after they got out of Moria. Aragorn runs ahead and you see him look happy as he looks over an edge - and Whoppa! Suddenly they're running to Lothlorien. I'd like to see that scene.. Cheers, Darth Arwen -- "Bother" said Pooh. "Send out the Nine, I want my Ring!" ###### From: "Bill Silvey" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien References: <5kr24u8hbpskhuskc0umeeq2nh6egqdn2k@4ax.com> Subject: Re: [FILM] Evidence of what was cut Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:04:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.33.106.28 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.tampabay.rr.com 1010937863 65.33.106.28 (Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:04:23 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:04:23 EST Organization: RoadRunner - Central Florida Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:72161 "Arwen Lune" wrote in message news:MPG.16abc467e003a3a5989706@news.cis.dfn.de... > Via mysterious ways, a message from ed reached me on Sun, 13 Jan > 2002 11:29:13 +0000. This is what it read: > > > Strolling through the rulebook for the Games Workshop Lord of > > the Rings Skirmish Wargame I noticed three stills that hint > > at scenes that ended on the cutting room floor. > > Galadriel in the swan boat > > I'm also fairly certain that there was a scene featuring the > Mirrormere, just after they got out of Moria. Aragorn runs ahead > and you see him look happy as he looks over an edge - and Whoppa! > Suddenly they're running to Lothlorien. I'd like to see that > scene.. Odds are those scenes will be restored for the director's cut on DVD. Rumors abound that there's 50 (that's right, fifty) minutes of footage to be restored. -- Heretic #2 of 3e D&D. - ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!!! Remove the X's in my email address to respond. > I don't think anything short of no-boot would put Macists off Mac. > The last stable OS was System 6.0.8. So long as system messages > are phrased as if a patronising aunt were addressing a retarded > 4-year-old, they will continue to love it. - Patrick Ford NOTE: xganon Anon posts are *filtered out*. I will not see your posts if they originate from xganon.com! ###### From: James Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: [FILM] Evidence of what was cut Message-ID: <0fe34uk4fl2nkfhfbfa17o98aj4ndosu23@4ax.com> References: <5kr24u8hbpskhuskc0umeeq2nh6egqdn2k@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.80.135.105 X-Trace: ozemail.com.au 1010940529 210.80.135.105 (Mon, 14 Jan 2002 03:48:49 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 03:48:49 EST Organization: OzEmail Ltd, Australia Distribution: world Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 03:46:47 +1100 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!newspeer.cwnet.com!sjc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!ozemail.com.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:72059 Arwen Lune : >I'm also fairly certain that there was a scene featuring the >Mirrormere, just after they got out of Moria. If you're right about this, and this scene is included on the DVD, I will marry Peter Jackson, whether he likes it or not. James "Whoever truly loves the written word must wish frustration and ruin on those who attempt to film it." ###### From: urban@panix.com (Michael Urban) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: [FILM] Evidence of what was cut Date: 13 Jan 2002 13:16:07 -0500 Organization: PANIX -- Public Access Networks Corp. Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <5kr24u8hbpskhuskc0umeeq2nh6egqdn2k@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 1010945767 23816 166.84.1.3 (13 Jan 2002 18:16:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jan 2002 18:16:07 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!204.71.34.15!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!panix3.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:71886 Lessee: Frodo and Sam seeing the Elves passing West through the Shire (described by Sean Astin at an appearance). The gift-giving scene in Lorien (seen in trailer, plus John Rhys-Davies talking about his becoming smitten with Galadriel); the lament for Mithrandir in Lorien (Sam seen reciting his verse about fireworks in one of the TV specials); Sam and the Gaffer at the Ivy Bush (or Green Dragon?) including the reputed "Rosie as Barmaid" scene (many reports, plus the picture of The Gaffer in the Decipher game, and the very abrupt editing from establishing shot to brief interior shot to Sam and Frodo leaving). Elrond and Arwen at Rivendell (early publicity photos). Gil-galad (early publicity photos and casting notes) and (one infers) more of Elendil. Also likely is a bit more mention of those Stone Trolls in the background, since that's a payoff for Bilbo telling the story of the trolls earlier in the film. Evidently the Moria orcs pursue the Fellowship to Lothlorien -- there have been many publicity shots (some of them are in the Decipher game) of Moria-type orcs running around under an open sky. ###### From: ed Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: [FILM] Evidence of what was cut Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:13:36 +0000 Organization: Team Rodent Approved: Apparently Message-ID: <5iq34uspfrvcnad569fc3me24u5ek9m3rm@4ax.com> References: <5kr24u8hbpskhuskc0umeeq2nh6egqdn2k@4ax.com> Reply-To: edhogg@equus.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: equus.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: equus.demon.co.uk:158.152.255.217 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1010952683 nnrp-02:1561 NO-IDENT equus.demon.co.uk:158.152.255.217 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!skynet.be!skynet.be!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!equus.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:72192 The noble "maxbeerbohm" spake on the day of Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:26:53 -0000: > >Troll statues?? > At one early point Strider and the hobbit gang can be seen, the background being Three Stone Trolls ed -- edhogg@equus.demon.co.uk | Dragons Rescued | _//// http://www.equus.demon.co.uk/ | Maidens Slain | o_/o /// For devilbunnies, Diplomacy, RPGs, | Quests P.O.A. | __\ ///__ Science-Fiction and other stuff | | <*> ###### From: James Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: [FILM] Evidence of what was cut Message-ID: References: <5kr24u8hbpskhuskc0umeeq2nh6egqdn2k@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.80.135.36 X-Trace: ozemail.com.au 1010980589 210.80.135.36 (Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:56:29 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:56:29 EST Organization: OzEmail Ltd, Australia Distribution: world Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:54:23 +1100 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!sjc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!ozemail.com.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:72360 Michael Urban : >Gil-galad (early publicity photos and >casting notes) Gil-galad showed up (unmentioned and very hard to spot) in the prologue. >there have been many publicity shots (some of them >are in the Decipher game) of Moria-type orcs running around under >an open sky. Hey, you're right! One of the most commonly seen publicity stills is that one of the Moria orcs in the outdoors. There's also a shot (mentioned elsewhere in this thread) of Wood Elves standing in a clearing, where the ground is littered with Orc corpses, many of which have white-feathered arrows in their chests. I guess that whole plot point was filmed and cut. James "Whoever truly loves the written word must wish frustration and ruin on those who attempt to film it." ###### Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:10:02 -0800 (PST) Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Message-ID: <123HJDFSKH78737@moria104.net> From: ct@morialevel9.net (Cave Troll) Subject: [FILM] Evidence of what was cut Organization: the LotR film is fun to watch Lines: 19 References: Mail-To-News-Contact: abuse@dizum.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!skynet.be!skynet.be!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news.dizum.com!sewer-output!mail2news-x2!mail2news Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:72204 > There's also a shot (mentioned elsewhere in this thread) > of Wood Elves standing in a clearing, where the ground is > littered with Orc corpses, many of which have white- > feathered arrows in their chests. I guess that whole plot > point was filmed and cut. Maybe, maybe not. It could be a shot from the last film. The appendix after RotK says Lorien is attacked three times by an Orc army. "After the fall of the Dark Tower and the passing of Sauron the Shadow was lifted from the hearts of all who opposed him. but fear and despair fell upon his servants and allies. Three times Lórien had been assailed from Dol Guldur. but besides the valour of the elven people of that land. the power that dwelt there was too great for any to overcome, unless Sauron had come there himself." ###### Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien From: am.fraser@qut.edu.au (Annette Fraser) Subject: Re: [FILM] Evidence of what was cut Organization: QUT Distribution: world References: <5kr24u8hbpskhuskc0umeeq2nh6egqdn2k@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 04:16:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: s38h137.sci.qut.edu.au Message-ID: <3c425994$1@news.qut.edu.au> X-Trace: 14 Jan 2002 14:07:48 +1000, s38h137.sci.qut.edu.au Lines: 29 X-Authenticated-User: fraseram Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.optus.net.au!optus!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!news.qut.edu.au!sci-af Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:72210 In article , James wrote: >Michael Urban : >>Gil-galad (early publicity photos and >>casting notes) > >Gil-galad showed up (unmentioned and very hard to spot) in the >prologue. > >>there have been many publicity shots (some of them >>are in the Decipher game) of Moria-type orcs running around under >>an open sky. > >Hey, you're right! One of the most commonly seen publicity stills is >that one of the Moria orcs in the outdoors. There's also a shot >(mentioned elsewhere in this thread) of Wood Elves standing in a >clearing, where the ground is littered with Orc corpses, many of which >have white-feathered arrows in their chests. I guess that whole plot >point was filmed and cut. > Some of these scenes may also in fact be from the second and third movie instalments. Annette -- High Priestess of The Big Penguin The Merchandise Queen PokeyBun - Gotta mug 'em all ###### From: James Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: [FILM] Evidence of what was cut Message-ID: References: <123HJDFSKH78737@moria104.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.80.135.36 X-Trace: ozemail.com.au 1010983629 210.80.135.36 (Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:47:09 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:47:09 EST Organization: OzEmail Ltd, Australia Distribution: world Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:45:05 +1100 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!newspeer.cwnet.com!sjc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!ozemail.com.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:72346 Cave Troll : >Maybe, maybe not. > >It could be a shot from the last film. The appendix after >RotK says Lorien is attacked three times by an Orc army. I kind of doubt it. So far, pretty much 100% of identified publicity stills that were released in connection with FotR have been related to scenes from the first film. They seem to be being pretty careful with how they release their images. Still, I guess we won't know for sure until the DVD. :) James "Whoever truly loves the written word must wish frustration and ruin on those who attempt to film it." ###### Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:38:54 -0800 (PST) Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Message-ID: From: ct@morialevel9.net (Cave Troll) Subject: [FILM] Evidence of what was cut Organization: the LotR film is fun to watch Lines: 15 References: Mail-To-News-Contact: abuse@dizum.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!skynet.be!skynet.be!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news.dizum.com!sewer-output!mail2news-x2!mail2news Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:72229 Said James: |>It could be a shot from the last film. The appendix after |>RotK says Lorien is attacked three times by an Orc army. |I kind of doubt it. So far, pretty much 100% of identified |publicity stills that were released in connection with FotR |have been related to scenes from the first film. They seem |to be being pretty careful with how they release their images. Then don't look at these pics obviously from yet to be released parts of LotR. . . >:) Attack on Minas Tirth: http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/1691 Gandalf the -White-: http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/1857 Arwen, Bilbo and Gandalf react to drunken Gimli letting a super loud and smelly one rip in The House of Healing: http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/130 ==================================================================== "...the poor, confused cave troll. He doesn't know what he's doing. He just never had the proper guidance." -- Elijah Wood ==================================================================== ###### From: James Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: [FILM] Evidence of what was cut Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.80.135.36 X-Trace: ozemail.com.au 1010987206 210.80.135.36 (Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:46:46 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:46:46 EST Organization: OzEmail Ltd, Australia Distribution: world Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:44:41 +1100 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!newspeer.cwnet.com!sjc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!ozemail.com.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:72370 Cave Troll : >Then don't look at these pics obviously from yet to be >released parts of LotR. . . >:) Aha. It appears I am wrong again. Great pics tho. :) James "Whoever truly loves the written word must wish frustration and ruin on those who attempt to film it." ###### From: jblanks@mindspring.com (Jeff Blanks) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: [FILM] Evidence of what was cut Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:52:19 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <5kr24u8hbpskhuskc0umeeq2nh6egqdn2k@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.9a.0d X-Server-Date: 14 Jan 2002 05:52:20 GMT X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!jblanks Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:72281 "Zark" wrote: >"ed" wrote... > >> The film book also has a pic of Arwen and Galadriel together, in >> character, but I don't know if this is just a publicity shot > >I think the above is from TTT. What about ROTK? They have a chance to meet then, don't they? -- "That's a damned lie! We must die anyway." --W.H. Auden, on his poem "September 1, 1939" ###### From: "jere7my tho?rpe" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: [FILM] Evidence of what was cut Organization: Bongo's Madness Hats References: <5kr24u8hbpskhuskc0umeeq2nh6egqdn2k@4ax.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Message-ID: Lines: 15 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 04:16:36 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.75.177.33 X-Trace: news.itd.umich.edu 1010999796 207.75.177.33 (Mon, 14 Jan 2002 04:16:36 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 04:16:36 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!jere7my Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:72255 In article <5kr24u8hbpskhuskc0umeeq2nh6egqdn2k@4ax.com>, ed wrote: *3) Boromir blowing his horn He blows it in the film -- not the first time, when we hear it through Aragorn's ears, but the second or third time we're there with him. Might be a different image you're thinking of, though. ----j7y -- *********************************** <*> *********************************** jere7my tho?rpe / 734-769-0913 "Oh, yeah. Old guys becoming pandas -- jere7my@mac.com _that's_ the future." Mike Nelson, MST3K ###### From: aajiv@flash.net (Al Jackson) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: [FILM] Evidence of what was cut Date: 14 Jan 2002 01:49:36 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <5kr24u8hbpskhuskc0umeeq2nh6egqdn2k@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.218.228.21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1011001776 2349 127.0.0.1 (14 Jan 2002 09:49:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jan 2002 09:49:36 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:72344 As I mentioned elsewhere. I would love to know if the 'Mirror of Galadriel' scene had lines cut,(a single line cut?), where Galadriel speaks the words that she is a ring bearer. For those who have read Tolkien, we already know, but I have spoken to people , who have not, who are confused about Galadriel's reaction to being offered the One Ring in that sequence. It might take more than just one line , but that whole sequence seems jumbled narrative. ###### From: gary4books@yahoo.com (Gary E. Masters) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: [FILM] Evidence of what was cut Date: 14 Jan 2002 06:51:29 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 23 Message-ID: <38aeacaa.0201140651.4588571b@posting.google.com> References: <5kr24u8hbpskhuskc0umeeq2nh6egqdn2k@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.77.181.8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1011019890 9127 127.0.0.1 (14 Jan 2002 14:51:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jan 2002 14:51:30 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:72347 James wrote in message news:... > Michael Urban : > >Gil-galad (early publicity photos and > > > "Whoever truly loves the written word must wish > frustration and ruin on those who attempt to film it." Ever so often my literal section of my brain kicks in. As a librarian, I recognize myself. With microfilm and scanning, we have been trying to film the written word for years and years. Certainly frustration is our lot. As for ruin, we will have to wait and see what computers do to the process. So far we seem to be winning on our work to organize the web, but that is too early to call. As for the movie, Jackson seened to try to film the story that was behind the book. Different problem, but he seems to have done well. I like to imagine that he is in a slightly different time line. ###### User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [FILM] Evidence of what was cut From: Michael Welsh Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Message-ID: References: <5kr24u8hbpskhuskc0umeeq2nh6egqdn2k@4ax.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:56:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.210.217.66 X-Complaints-To: abuse@neo.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.neo.rr.com 1011027412 204.210.217.66 (Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:56:52 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:56:52 EST Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online -- Northeast Ohio Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.columbus.rr.com!typhoon.neo.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:72276 On 1/13/02 9:26 AM, in the great literary work a1sis6$s9q$2@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk, the profound and prolific maxbeerbohm of someone@microsoft.com articulated: > Troll statues?? You mean the ones that were in the movie? -- Mike Sometimes known as Monolith in Clan Lord http://www.deltatao.com/clanlord/index.html "The captain has turned off the `No Dubbing' sign. You are free to speak any language you choose." -- MST3K ###### From: JRStern@gte.net (JRStern) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: [FILM] Evidence of what was cut Message-ID: <3c431419.2892719@news.gte.net> References: <5kr24u8hbpskhuskc0umeeq2nh6egqdn2k@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 17 X-Trace: /w3Za7eLy5pKqIoHa0NHJ1naQ0UgV5QxmRxW+RCFYfcMDoawS/Fx6qFobCYwI4TjEmVYoS8d8Q52!w6Qkzlhmx3wQScn8M2EK93huvhYlN5sUnJxAzCxia7QauhJvMeih0hqhAj4S3Q== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:22:30 GMT Distribution: world Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:22:30 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!feedwest.news.agis.net!aleron.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:72215 On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:44:55 -0000, "Zark" wrote: >> >> The film book also has a pic of Arwen and Galadriel together, in >> >> character, but I don't know if this is just a publicity shot >> > >> >I think the above is from TTT. >> >> What about ROTK? They have a chance to meet then, don't they? > >IIRC - she's certainly in Lorien at the end of ROTK for her > final scene. If you're talking book, Galadriel is long gone by then, unless she came back just for the occassion. J. ###### From: jblanks@mindspring.com (Jeff Blanks) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: [FILM] Evidence of what was cut Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 01:10:58 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <5kr24u8hbpskhuskc0umeeq2nh6egqdn2k@4ax.com> <3c431419.2892719@news.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.84.d6 X-Server-Date: 15 Jan 2002 06:14:46 GMT X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!jblanks Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:72504 JRStern@gte.net (JRStern) wrote: >"Zark" wrote: >>> >> The film book also has a pic of Arwen and Galadriel together,... >>> > >>> >I think the above is from TTT. >>> >>> What about ROTK? They have a chance to meet then, don't they? >> >>IIRC - she's certainly in Lorien at the end of ROTK for her >> final scene. > >If you're talking book, Galadriel is long gone by then, unless she >came back just for the occassion. What about A&A's wedding in Minas Tirith? Galadriel shows up for that, remember? -- "That's a damned lie! We must die anyway." --W.H. Auden, on his poem "September 1, 1939" ###### From: "Xie" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien References: <5kr24u8hbpskhuskc0umeeq2nh6egqdn2k@4ax.com> Subject: Re: [FILM] Evidence of what was cut Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:02:43 +1100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3c440cac$0$20793$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.142.96.244 X-Trace: 1011092653 20793 198.142.96.244 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!newsfeed.zip.com.au!news.uwa.edu.au!news1.optus.net.au!optus!spool01.syd.optusnet.com.au!spool.optusnet.com.au!210.49.20.118.MISMATCH!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:72611 "Al Jackson" wrote in message news:fa9de496.0201140149.6c7799c3@posting.google.com... > As I mentioned elsewhere. > I would love to know if the 'Mirror of Galadriel' scene had lines > cut,(a single line cut?), where Galadriel speaks the words that she is > a ring bearer. > For those who have read Tolkien, we already know, but I have spoken to > people , who have not, who are confused about Galadriel's reaction to > being offered the One Ring in that sequence. > It might take more than just one line , but that whole sequence seems > jumbled narrative. I was distracted in that scene because she looked like a Photoshop filter. Xie