From: awebaccess@juno.com (Ricky) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: original etext Date: 30 Dec 2001 21:20:03 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.32.144.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1009776003 22034 127.0.0.1 (31 Dec 2001 05:20:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Dec 2001 05:20:03 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:68147 Pardon me if this is an inappropriate request for this group, but is there a web site where I can download an etext of the ** ORIGINAL ** Lord of the Rings. I know there's a parody floating around, but I want the original text. I own the books; I'm looking for a text to upload to my Palm Pilot. Thanks for any help. ###### From: Stefan Bruhn Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: original etext Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:10:10 +0100 Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 0x3ef38cb7.virnxx1.adsl.tele.dk (62.243.140.183) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1009807801 23603012 62.243.140.183 (16 [37649]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!skynet.be!skynet.be!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!0x3ef38cb7.virnxx1.adsl.tele.DK!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:68213 On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 07:45:58 -0000, "Andrew Wells" wrote: >Not legally. If you do find a copy, could you report it to the Tolkien >Estate's solicitors, please? It may not be really legal, but if you own the books, I can't see the problem really. I have currently two copies of LotR, two copies of Silmarillion, one copy of The Hobbit and one copy of Unfinished Tales. I'm planning on getting one more copy of LotR, one more of Hobbit and the HoME books. With all the money I've invested in Tolkien related stuff, I don't think it's morally wrong for me to have them as text versions for easy reference. -- Mvh. Stefan Website: http://www.3x7.dk/ | http://ghashul.dk/ "I demand the right to keep and arm bears" "A computer without Windows, is like a fish without a bicycle" ###### From: "Lurker" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: Subject: Re: original etext Lines: 37 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:37:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.26.37 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.jacksonville.mediaone.net 1009809438 24.129.26.37 (Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:37:18 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:37:18 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!cyclone.rdc-detw.rr.com!news.mw.mediaone.net!jxnws01!typhoon.jacksonville.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:68064 "Stefan Bruhn" wrote in message news:r6s03u00v5q7b2f3cbanqgeu3v9ev6a29e@ghashul.dk... > On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 07:45:58 -0000, "Andrew Wells" > wrote: > > >Not legally. If you do find a copy, could you report it to the Tolkien > >Estate's solicitors, please? > > It may not be really legal, but if you own the books, I can't see the > problem really. > > I have currently two copies of LotR, two copies of Silmarillion, one > copy of The Hobbit and one copy of Unfinished Tales. > I'm planning on getting one more copy of LotR, one more of Hobbit and > the HoME books. With all the money I've invested in Tolkien related > stuff, I don't think it's morally wrong for me to have them as text > versions for easy reference. > I'm not a lawyer by any means, but what would the legal difference between that and ripping a cd *that you own* to mp3 for your own use? I too have bought at least three copies of LotR, two of the Silm. I don't have any of HoME, and as such would not look for an eText of them. If the Tolkien Estate ever released then in a eText format I'd delete the copies I had, and buy the official stuff. I don't really see a moral problem either, except you are supporting a format that could get to someone who did not legimitaly own the books anyway. As for an answer for you question, you could try Morpheus or Kazaa. I found a copy of the Silmarillion there. ###### From: kueikutzu@-remove-hotmail.com Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: original etext Organization: Cryptic Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:01:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.88.92.27 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1009814462 12.88.92.27 (Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:01:02 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:01:02 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:68174 On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:10:10 +0100, Stefan Bruhn wrote: >On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 07:45:58 -0000, "Andrew Wells" > wrote: > >>Not legally. If you do find a copy, could you report it to the Tolkien >>Estate's solicitors, please? > >It may not be really legal, but if you own the books, I can't see the >problem really. > >I have currently two copies of LotR, two copies of Silmarillion, one >copy of The Hobbit and one copy of Unfinished Tales. >I'm planning on getting one more copy of LotR, one more of Hobbit and >the HoME books. With all the money I've invested in Tolkien related >stuff, I don't think it's morally wrong for me to have them as text >versions for easy reference. It's a legitimate question about an illegitimate act. However, it has been thoroughly discussed before. A google newgroup search should be informative. Does anyone have limiting dates for the search or keywords other than e-text and legal? -- Sindamor Pandaturion [remove -remove- to reply] ###### From: "Alatar" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: original etext Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:35:40 -0000 Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-241.leopard.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1009816413 18541 217.135.144.241 (31 Dec 2001 16:33:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Dec 2001 16:33:33 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news2.euro.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:68060 "Lurker" wrote: > > "Stefan Bruhn" wrote in message > news:r6s03u00v5q7b2f3cbanqgeu3v9ev6a29e@ghashul.dk... > > On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 07:45:58 -0000, "Andrew Wells" > > wrote: > > > > >Not legally. If you do find a copy, could you report it to the Tolkien > > >Estate's solicitors, please? > > > > It may not be really legal, but if you own the books, I can't see the > > problem really. > > > > I have currently two copies of LotR, two copies of Silmarillion, one > > copy of The Hobbit and one copy of Unfinished Tales. > > I'm planning on getting one more copy of LotR, one more of Hobbit and > > the HoME books. With all the money I've invested in Tolkien related > > stuff, I don't think it's morally wrong for me to have them as text > > versions for easy reference. > > > > I'm not a lawyer by any means, but what would the legal difference between > that and ripping a cd *that you own* to mp3 for your own use? I'm not a lawyer either, and I don't remember the details, but the copyright law on music is slightly different due to a change in the law after tape recorders became popular. The exception made then does not apply to printed material and books, which you do not have the right to make copies of (in any form) without express permission of the copyright owner. > I too have bought at least three copies of LotR, two of the Silm. > I don't have any of HoME, and as such would not look for an > eText of them. If the Tolkien Estate ever released then in > a eText format I'd delete the copies I had, and buy the official > stuff. If everyone was as honest and considerate as that, we wouldn't need laws. -- Alatar I just got lost in thought, it was unfamiliar territory. Find that Tolkien site at The Cave of Lost Scrolls: http://www.istari.f9.co.uk/tolkien/ ###### From: mair_fheal@www.yahoo.com (rand mair fheal) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: original etext Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:55:02 -0800 Organization: my office on the hunterstrand Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 10 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!c9.ppp.tsoft.com!user Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:68114 In article , awebaccess@juno.com (Ricky) wrote: >Pardon me if this is an inappropriate request for this group, but is >there a web site where I can download an etext of the ** ORIGINAL ** >Lord of the Rings. I know there's a parody floating around, but I want >the original text. I own the books; I'm looking for a text to upload >to my Palm Pilot. Thanks for any help. there are some ftp sites in russia if you poke around awhile ###### Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien From: Tyler@Nerdland.Net (Fester) Subject: Re: original etext References: Reply-To: Tyler@Nerdland.Net Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.1 (Linux) Lines: 37 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:31:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.3.98.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc2.pa.home.com 1009841518 24.3.98.206 (Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:31:58 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:31:58 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc2.pa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:68446 I saw Lurker rant about the following: > > "Stefan Bruhn" wrote in message > news:r6s03u00v5q7b2f3cbanqgeu3v9ev6a29e@ghashul.dk... >> On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 07:45:58 -0000, "Andrew Wells" >> wrote: >> >> >Not legally. If you do find a copy, could you report it to the Tolkien >> >Estate's solicitors, please? >> >> It may not be really legal, but if you own the books, I can't see the >> problem really. >> >> I have currently two copies of LotR, two copies of Silmarillion, one >> copy of The Hobbit and one copy of Unfinished Tales. >> I'm planning on getting one more copy of LotR, one more of Hobbit and >> the HoME books. With all the money I've invested in Tolkien related >> stuff, I don't think it's morally wrong for me to have them as text >> versions for easy reference. >> > > I'm not a lawyer by any means, but what would the legal difference between > that and ripping a cd *that you own* to mp3 for your own use? It's useful too. I found my rather old and battered copy of FotR last week, but the front cover and the last five pages had been ripped to shreds. Luckily, I found a PDF(!) version of LotR (which I own, of course) on Gnutella and printed out the missing pages to fix my book. -- -- Fester Over 2 Billion Defenestrated ==============================