From: James Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Evil Queen Beruthiel strikes back! Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.80.135.31 X-Trace: ozemail.com.au 1007781462 210.80.135.31 (Sat, 08 Dec 2001 14:17:42 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 14:17:42 EST Organization: OzEmail Ltd, Australia Distribution: world Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 14:17:09 +1100 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!snewsf0.syd.ops.aspac.uu.net!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!ozemail.com.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:62161 From TORN forums: "The newspaper The Toronto Star for Friday, December 7, 2001, contains a special insert about The Lord of the Rings film, most of which is also posted on the web at The Star Entertainment LOTR. What is not posted on the web is the back page of the section which is an arrangement of small facial portraits of the main characters with descriptions and a few general sidebars about the plot. The text is mostly accurate though somewhat clumsily written. Presumably we should not take the writer, Christopher Hutsul, Entertainment Reporter, too literally when he claims for Gollum that the powers of the ring "turned him into a terrible swine." (Thatssssss all folksssssss!) But one description stands apart: GALADRIEL Galadriel, also known as the White Lady, was elf-queen of Lorien during the War of the Ring. She gives shelter to the fellowship, and helps them escape from her evil sister, Queen Beruthiel. Played by Cate Blanchett. The original source of this misinformation, as many will recognize, is a parody A Brief Synopsis of The Lord of the Rings. The Berúthiel/Galadriel nonsense was then included in full seriousness in an article published in the London Sunday Times for July 26, 2000. See London's Sunday Times Endorses Synopsis and Times article laughed off the web?. Since then references to Berúthiel as Galadriel's evil sister have tended to surface here and there in humorous posts on Tolkien boards. Another phrase from the parody, _a mythical land called the Shire_, appears in Hutsul's article under Frodo Baggins suggesting Hutsul or a researcher was directly using the parody rather than a clip of the London Sunday Times article or a joking reference from some other source on the web." http://www.theonering.net/rumour_mill/rpg/viewer/moviediscussion/3C11163000005BB7.html James ###### From: "Conrad Dunkerson" Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien References: Subject: Re: Evil Queen Beruthiel strikes back! Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 17:40:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.79.56.177 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1007833206 12.79.56.177 (Sat, 08 Dec 2001 17:40:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 17:40:06 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:62239 "James" wrote in message news:je131u0kb24o9u0hgjdr78q5i4k6fqcbe1@4ax.com... > GALADRIEL > Galadriel, also known as the White Lady, was elf-queen of Lorien > during the War of the Ring. She gives shelter to the fellowship, and > helps them escape from her evil sister, Queen Beruthiel. Played by > Cate Blanchett. Is it me or is the quality of news reporting just really really sad these days? ###### Message-ID: <3C12732E.388CF9E1@sympatico.ca> From: Carl Blondin Reply-To: carl.blondin@mail.mcgill.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Evil Queen Beruthiel strikes back! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 15:08:14 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.228.178.111 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1007842408 64.228.178.111 (Sat, 08 Dec 2001 15:13:28 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 15:13:28 EST Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!webster!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:62227 Conrad Dunkerson wrote: > > "James" wrote in message > news:je131u0kb24o9u0hgjdr78q5i4k6fqcbe1@4ax.com... > > > GALADRIEL > > Galadriel, also known as the White Lady, was elf-queen of Lorien > > during the War of the Ring. She gives shelter to the fellowship, and > > helps them escape from her evil sister, Queen Beruthiel. Played by > > Cate Blanchett. > > Is it me or is the quality of news reporting just really really > sad these days? Maybe Steuard should add the sentence he puts at the end of every e-text chapter right at the brginning of his web page: "The use of the material contained therein may lead to some degree of professional embarasment." ###### From: "Apteryx" Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien References: Subject: Re: Evil Queen Beruthiel strikes back! Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 10:30:44 +1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.55.147.48 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1007846994 210.55.147.48 (Sun, 09 Dec 2001 10:29:54 NZDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 10:29:54 NZDT Organization: Xtra Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!usenet.net.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:62244 Conrad Dunkerson wrote in message news:WfsQ7.148571$WW.9581054@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > "James" wrote in message > news:je131u0kb24o9u0hgjdr78q5i4k6fqcbe1@4ax.com... > > > GALADRIEL > > Galadriel, also known as the White Lady, was elf-queen of Lorien > > during the War of the Ring. She gives shelter to the fellowship, and > > helps them escape from her evil sister, Queen Beruthiel. Played by > > Cate Blanchett. > > Is it me or is the quality of news reporting just really really > sad these days? > It's always been like that. 98% of the time the news media are totally accurate, but in the 2% of the time when they are reporting on something you actually know about, for some strange reason they screw up. -- Apteryx ###### From: Flame of the West Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Evil Queen Beruthiel strikes back! Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 17:33:00 -0500 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3C12951C.C136C185@erols.com> References: Reply-To: nospam@erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZx1BODadiJ/P8kAfPa4Fm6RYAPs6vh/YINPeCIgv87ixfXl+cYYspU X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Dec 2001 23:43:24 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed.nextra.ch!news.nextra.ch!newsfeed1.ulv.nextra.no!nextra.com!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:62355 Apteryx wrote: > It's always been like that. 98% of the time the news media are totally > accurate, but in the 2% of the time when they are reporting on something you > actually know about, for some strange reason they screw up. If they screw up every time they report on something you know about, why are you assuming that they are being accurate on the stuff you don't know about? -- -- FotW Reality is for those who cannot cope with Middle-earth. ###### From: "Raven" Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <3C12951C.C136C185@erols.com> Subject: Re: Evil Queen Beruthiel strikes back! Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <4eOQ7.117$W33.2793@news.get2net.dk> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 02:23:02 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.82.196.126 X-Complaints-To: abuse@get2.net X-Trace: news.get2net.dk 1007923200 195.82.196.126 (Sun, 09 Dec 2001 19:40:00 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 19:40:00 MET Organization: get2net Internet Kunde Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.get2net.dk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:62280 "Flame of the West" skrev i en meddelelse news:3C12951C.C136C185@erols.com... > > It's always been like that. 98% of the time the news media are > > totally accurate, but in the 2% of the time when they are > > reporting on something you actually know about, for some > > strange reason they screw up. > If they screw up every time they report on something you know > about, why are you assuming that they are being accurate on > the stuff you don't know about? Crank up your humour detection kit, boyo. But it reminds me of something Carl Sagan wrote about Immanuel Velikovsky. Sagan met an expert of ancient mythology and they discussed Velikovsky's book "Worlds in Collision". The other bloke said, "His writings on ancient mythology are, of course, bunk, but I was impressed by his astronomy." To Sagan, a trained astronomer, it was rather the other way around. I was once present at a local civic meeting. Later that evening the local TV reported from that meeting. The report was not entirely compatible with my memory. Cuervo. ###### From: the softrat Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Evil Queen Beruthiel strikes back! Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 19:41:45 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3C12732E.388CF9E1@sympatico.ca> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 17 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:62272 On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 15:08:14 -0500, Carl Blondin wrote: > >Maybe Steuard should add the sentence he puts at the end of every e-text >chapter right at the brginning of his web page: "The use of the material >contained therein may lead to some degree of professional embarasment." I don't think that it is proper for anyone to aid the persons of the fourth estate, especially when they reveal their essential ignorance and ineptitude. the softrat "He who rubs owls" mailto:softrat@pobox.com -- "I get to go to lots of overseas places, like Canada." -- Britney Spears ###### From: "Apteryx" Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <3C12951C.C136C185@erols.com> Subject: Re: Evil Queen Beruthiel strikes back! Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 20:56:48 +1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.99.216 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1007884562 203.96.99.216 (Sun, 09 Dec 2001 20:56:02 NZDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 20:56:02 NZDT Organization: Xtra Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!newsfeed01.tsnz.net!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:62293 Flame of the West wrote in message news:3C12951C.C136C185@erols.com... > > Apteryx wrote: > > > It's always been like that. 98% of the time the news media are totally > > accurate, but in the 2% of the time when they are reporting on something you > > actually know about, for some strange reason they screw up. > > If they screw up every time they report on something you know > about, why are you assuming that they are being accurate on > the stuff you don't know about? > Good thing you pointed that out. Now, on a completely different issue, if somone, hypothetically, wanted to post an ironic comment to this group, is there some symbol they could use (like the smiley for a joke) so that everyone (including Americans) could see that the comment was intended as irony? -- Apteryx ###### From: Donald Shepherd Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Evil Queen Beruthiel strikes back! Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 18:03:36 +1000 Organization: Sad Fuckers of the World Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <3C12951C.C136C185@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 218.137.56.203.cns.nq.net X-Trace: gnamma.connect.com.au 1007885070 20098 203.56.137.218 (9 Dec 2001 08:04:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Dec 2001 08:04:30 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 X-Virus: I am a header virus. Please add me to your headers. Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!hub1.nntpserver.com!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.bri.connect.com.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:62324 On Sun, 9 Dec 2001 20:56:48 +1300, Apteryx allegedly said the following... > > Flame of the West wrote in message > news:3C12951C.C136C185@erols.com... > > > > Apteryx wrote: > > > > > It's always been like that. 98% of the time the news media are totally > > > accurate, but in the 2% of the time when they are reporting on something > you > > > actually know about, for some strange reason they screw up. > > > > If they screw up every time they report on something you know > > about, why are you assuming that they are being accurate on > > the stuff you don't know about? > > > > Good thing you pointed that out. > > Now, on a completely different issue, if somone, hypothetically, wanted to > post an ironic comment to this group, is there some symbol they could use > (like the smiley for a joke) so that everyone (including Americans) could > see that the comment was intended as irony? tends to work. -- Donald Shepherd "The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out, the conservative adopts them." - Mark Twain (sourced from Usenet) ###### From: "Apteryx" Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <3C12951C.C136C185@erols.com> Subject: Re: Evil Queen Beruthiel strikes back! Lines: 45 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 23:00:34 +1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.101.210 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1007891989 203.96.101.210 (Sun, 09 Dec 2001 22:59:49 NZDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 22:59:49 NZDT Organization: Xtra Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!nntp-relay.ihug.net!usenet.net.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:62294 Donald Shepherd wrote in message news:MPG.167db7d11964fb1d9897d3@news.cairns.net.au... > On Sun, 9 Dec 2001 20:56:48 +1300, Apteryx > allegedly said the following... > > > > Flame of the West wrote in message > > news:3C12951C.C136C185@erols.com... > > > > > > Apteryx wrote: > > > > > > > It's always been like that. 98% of the time the news media are totally > > > > accurate, but in the 2% of the time when they are reporting on something > > you > > > > actually know about, for some strange reason they screw up. > > > > > > If they screw up every time they report on something you know > > > about, why are you assuming that they are being accurate on > > > the stuff you don't know about? > > > > > > > Good thing you pointed that out. > > > > Now, on a completely different issue, if somone, hypothetically, wanted to > > post an ironic comment to this group, is there some symbol they could use > > (like the smiley for a joke) so that everyone (including Americans) could > > see that the comment was intended as irony? > > tends to work. > -- Hmm, a system that heavy would tend to defeat the purpose. Especially if you got into double ironies - people might as well just say what they mean . It would start to look like Victor Borge's phonetic punctuation . -- Apteryx ###### From: mair_fheal@www.yahoo.com (rand mair fheal) Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Evil Queen Beruthiel strikes back! Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 02:55:07 -0800 Organization: my office on the hunterstrand Message-ID: References: <3C12951C.C136C185@erols.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 13 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!c21.ppp.tsoft.com!user Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:62312 >> tends to work. >> -- >Hmm, a system that heavy would tend to defeat the purpose. Especially if >you got into double ironies - people might as well just say >what they mean . > > It would start to look like Victor Borge's phonetic punctuation >. you need to keep it light a foil against against people who would steal your mirth im not sure what would look like i need some more lead time to hammer it out ###### From: "Conrad Dunkerson" Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien References: Subject: Re: Evil Queen Beruthiel strikes back! Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 12:57:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.79.24.143 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1007902620 12.79.24.143 (Sun, 09 Dec 2001 12:57:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 12:57:00 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:62290 "Apteryx" wrote in message news:mDvQ7.1369$2g7.76521@news.xtra.co.nz... > It's always been like that. 98% of the time the news media are > totally accurate, but in the 2% of the time when they are reporting > on something you actually know about, for some strange reason they > screw up. I like to read news from different political spectrums (political propaganda, in newspapers? It couldn't be!) and countries just to get that divergent reality effect. It is alot of fun in the cases where you don't really know what is going on... once I've read through everything I pretty much have my pick of 'facts' in which to believe. :) ###### From: "Conrad Dunkerson" Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <3C12732E.388CF9E1@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Evil Queen Beruthiel strikes back! Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 12:58:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.79.24.143 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1007902695 12.79.24.143 (Sun, 09 Dec 2001 12:58:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 12:58:15 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:62285 "Carl Blondin" wrote in message news:3C12732E.388CF9E1@sympatico.ca... > Maybe Steuard should add the sentence he puts at the end of every > e-text chapter right at the brginning of his web page: "The use of > the material contained therein may lead to some degree of > professional embarasment." Actually, in this case it would be O. Sharp rather than Steuard, but nah... it is fun seeing the really clueless prove just how inept they are. ###### From: "Laurie Forbes" Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <3C12951C.C136C185@erols.com> Subject: Re: Evil Queen Beruthiel strikes back! Lines: 56 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <0NKQ7.663$CR2.241648@typhoon.maine.rr.com> Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 14:44:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.198.4.12 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.maine.rr.com 1007909052 24.198.4.12 (Sun, 09 Dec 2001 09:44:12 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 09:44:12 EST Organization: Road Runner - Portland, Maine Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.maine.rr.com!typhoon.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:62306 "Apteryx" wrote in message news:mOEQ7.1695$2g7.94651@news.xtra.co.nz... > > Flame of the West wrote in message > news:3C12951C.C136C185@erols.com... > > > > Apteryx wrote: > > > > > It's always been like that. 98% of the time the news media are totally > > > accurate, but in the 2% of the time when they are reporting on something > > > you actually know about, for some strange reason they screw up. > > If they screw up every time they report on something you know > > about, why are you assuming that they are being accurate on > > the stuff you don't know about? > Good thing you pointed that out. LOL!! Bless your heart. I must have written 4 - maybe 5 - notes last night trying to reply to our Flame's response. I even had "facetiously ironic" in one of them -- eh? But then I kept laughing or worrying that I was being mean etc etc. (Flame, this WAS a jewel!) > Now, on a completely different issue, if somone, hypothetically, wanted to > post an ironic comment to this group, is there some symbol they could use > (like the smiley for a joke) so that everyone (including Americans) could > see that the comment was intended as irony? Gosh, that's a lot to ask... AND it might spoil the chances of something like this happening again. ============= Back to your original point, recently a friend and I were discussing the very issue you raise about "reporting." Some years ago the company I worked for was featured in a rather large article in our regional newspaper. By the time I finished the article, I didn't even know the place. Descriptions and facts were "off" a bit (or a lot); conclusions based upon these went from silly to eye-popping. Then I moved on to the next article -- about somebody else's company -- now what? In the article about the company with which I was familiar, I knew exactly which items were inaccurate. The frustrating thing about reading other articles was then wondering WHICH "facts" I should and shouldn't be absorbing. It is very difficult to try to stay informed while sprinkling salt all over whatever you're reading. I also resent little nudges (often carefully chosen verbs and adverbs) which "guide" our feelings about the subject under discussion -- but that's another rant! -- Laurie Forbes ###### From: Ronald O. Christian Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Evil Queen Beruthiel strikes back! Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 49 NNTP-Posting-Host: tMOQ7-125305-Yy-305414@rwcrnsc53 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc53 1007926996 tMOQ7-125305-Yy-305414@rwcrnsc53 (Sun, 09 Dec 2001 19:43:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 19:43:16 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 19:43:16 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!news-in-sanjose!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc53.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:62386 On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 17:40:06 GMT, "Conrad Dunkerson" wrote: >"James" wrote in message >news:je131u0kb24o9u0hgjdr78q5i4k6fqcbe1@4ax.com... > >> GALADRIEL >> Galadriel, also known as the White Lady, was elf-queen of Lorien >> during the War of the Ring. She gives shelter to the fellowship, and >> helps them escape from her evil sister, Queen Beruthiel. Played by >> Cate Blanchett. > >Is it me or is the quality of news reporting just really really >sad these days? It's horrible. "News reporting" these days has mostly collapsed into news "reporters" interviewing each other. When the totality of "the news" is the experiences of newspaper reporters on assignment, (can you say "Geraldo"?) it becomes apparent that the process is broken. There was a keen example in ...current-films recently. Many news services paraphrased an AP story that Daniel Radcliffe's voice had broken and had to be dubbed by another kid for parts of the Harry Potter movie. But if you look at the actual AP story, it doesn't say that. Rather, AP reported that The Sun (UK) reported that Radcliffe's part had to be dubbed by another kid. Technically correct, but misleading and, in fact, not news. Especially since, The Sun, inventor of the topless "page three girl", is a tabloid, and isn't exactly renown for cross-checking their facts. (Today's Page 3 Girl is Ruth, 23, from Bolton, wearing the bottom half of a white bikini.) This would be comparable to Reuters reporting that the Enquirer reported that Bat Boy is running for congress. Technically correct, but not useful (unless you like reading about Bat Boy). I think the Tolkien Sarcasm Page has provided an excellent service, allowing us to see just how little research goes into a given news story. Bettybowers.com and The Onion perform similar services. I think there ought to be more efforts along those lines. A Harry Potter sarcasm page would be a good idea right about now. Just in time to really screw up reporting of the Chamber of Secrets film, expected in 2002. Ron www.europa.com/~ronc "If UN peacekeeping had been involved during the US civil war, it'd still be going on today." ###### From: "Alatar" Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Evil Queen Beruthiel strikes back! Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 22:08:44 -0000 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <9v0n9v$kgq$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3C12951C.C136C185@erols.com> <0NKQ7.663$CR2.241648@typhoon.maine.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-3514.llama.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1007935614 21018 217.135.189.186 (9 Dec 2001 22:06:55 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Dec 2001 22:06:55 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:62461 "Laurie Forbes" wrote: > > In the article about the company with which I was familiar, I knew exactly > which items were inaccurate. The frustrating thing about reading other > articles was then wondering WHICH "facts" I should and shouldn't be > absorbing. It is very difficult to try to stay informed while sprinkling > salt all over whatever you're reading. I also resent little nudges (often > carefully chosen verbs and adverbs) which "guide" our feelings about the > subject under discussion -- but that's another rant! This is why I stopped reading newspapers and magazines a long time ago. What use is information when you can't tell if it's made up? -- Alatar (anyone wanna buy my David Day encyclopedia? ;-) ###### From: "Apteryx" Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <3C12951C.C136C185@erols.com> <0NKQ7.663$CR2.241648@typhoon.maine.rr.com> Subject: Re: Evil Queen Beruthiel strikes back! Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:26:42 +1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.99.240 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1007954760 203.96.99.240 (Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:26:00 NZDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:26:00 NZDT Organization: Xtra Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!newsfeed01.tsnz.net!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:62456 Laurie Forbes wrote in message news:0NKQ7.663$CR2.241648@typhoon.maine.rr.com... > > "Apteryx" wrote in message > news:mOEQ7.1695$2g7.94651@news.xtra.co.nz... > > > > Back to your original point, recently a friend and I were discussing the > very issue you raise about "reporting." Some years ago the company I worked > for was featured in a rather large article in our regional newspaper. By > the time I finished the article, I didn't even know the place. Descriptions > and facts were "off" a bit (or a lot); conclusions based upon these went > from silly to eye-popping. Then I moved on to the next article -- about > somebody else's company -- now what? > I have struck eccentric reporting of activities of all 3 employers I have worked for. The first time it happened was a shock. You grow up thinking of "the news" as fact. But I remember the knowing smile of the (lovely) assistant manager of my employers public relations department when I pointed out the errors - like, "You're new to this, aren't you?" Eventually you come to realise that reporters are just folks doing a job, and under more time pressure than most people, and hence making more mistakes than most people make in their jobs - pretty frightening :) -- Apteryx ###### From: "Mallron" Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Evil Queen Beruthiel strikes back! Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:21:05 +0100 Organization: Internet Partners Lines: 15 Message-ID: <9v1uth$ikg$1@news2.ipartners.pl> References: <3C12951C.C136C185@erols.com> <0NKQ7.663$CR2.241648@typhoon.maine.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.153.49.14 X-Trace: news2.ipartners.pl 1007976177 19088 217.153.49.14 (10 Dec 2001 09:22:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ipartners.pl NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Dec 2001 09:22:57 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!193.190.198.17.MISMATCH!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!195.158.233.21!news1.ebone.net!news.ebone.net!news.ipartners.pl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:62471 > Eventually you come to realise that reporters are just folks doing a job, > and under more time pressure than most people, and hence making more > mistakes than most people make in their jobs - pretty frightening :) > The really frightening part is that they get away with it! Myself being an engineer - if I was making so many mistakes in pretty much anything I touch (and our deadlines are usually a week or two in the past) I would most likely get fired. Yet, when it comes to news reporters... they screw up, misinterpret, quote from the dead, etc. etc... etc... they seem to be doing just fine, and rasing through the ranks ... eh M ###### Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien From: Matt Neumann Subject: Re: Evil Queen Beruthiel strikes back! X-Nntp-Posting-Host: hou-xpc02.se.nos.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3C150A2A.88483FBB@hotmail.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: none X-Accept-Language: en References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:16:58 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Windows NT 5.0; U) Lines: 14 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub1.nntpserver.com!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator-la!news-in-la.newsfeeds.com!sea-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!xyzzy!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:62611 "Ronald O. Christian" wrote: > This would be > comparable to Reuters reporting that the Enquirer reported that Bat > Boy is running for congress. Technically correct, but not useful > (unless you like reading about Bat Boy). And who doesn't? Nice analogy, BTW. -- -Matt (mattneu@hotmail.com) Angband in action! Constant escalation to new depths to find angrier, meaner letters and more punctuation! ###### From: Donald Shepherd Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Evil Queen Beruthiel strikes back! Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:28:59 +1000 Organization: Sad Fuckers of the World Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <3C12951C.C136C185@erols.com> <0NKQ7.663$CR2.241648@typhoon.maine.rr.com> <9v1uth$ikg$1@news2.ipartners.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: 16.137.56.203.cns.nq.net X-Trace: gnamma.connect.com.au 1008034196 15885 203.56.137.16 (11 Dec 2001 01:29:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Dec 2001 01:29:56 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 X-Virus: I am a header virus. Please add me to your headers. Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.bri.connect.com.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:62845 On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:21:05 +0100, Mallron allegedly said the following... > > Eventually you come to realise that reporters are just folks doing a job, > > and under more time pressure than most people, and hence making more > > mistakes than most people make in their jobs - pretty frightening :) > > > > The really frightening part is that they get away with it! Myself being an > engineer - if I was making so many mistakes in pretty much anything I touch > (and our deadlines are usually a week or two in the past) I would most > likely get fired. Yet, when it comes to news reporters... they screw up, > misinterpret, quote from the dead, etc. etc... etc... they seem to be doing > just fine, and rasing through the ranks ... eh Yet your mistakes are much more likely to result in adverse consequences. I guess it's a case of importance of the task. -- Donald Shepherd "Part of the secret of success in life is to eat what you like and let the food fight it out inside." - Mark Twain (sourced from Usenet) ###### From: Ronald O. Christian Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Evil Queen Beruthiel strikes back! Message-ID: References: <3C12951C.C136C185@erols.com> <0NKQ7.663$CR2.241648@typhoon.maine.rr.com> <9v1uth$ikg$1@news2.ipartners.pl> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: mGdR7-134995-wL4-73311@rwcrnsc51 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc51 1008035818 mGdR7-134995-wL4-73311@rwcrnsc51 (Tue, 11 Dec 2001 01:56:58 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 01:56:58 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 01:56:58 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!prairie.attcanada.net!newsfeed.attcanada.net!204.127.161.4!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc51.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:62935 On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:28:59 +1000, Donald Shepherd wrote: >On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:21:05 +0100, Mallron >allegedly said the following... >> > Eventually you come to realise that reporters are just folks doing a job, >> > and under more time pressure than most people, and hence making more >> > mistakes than most people make in their jobs - pretty frightening :) >> > >> >> The really frightening part is that they get away with it! Myself being an >> engineer - if I was making so many mistakes in pretty much anything I touch >> (and our deadlines are usually a week or two in the past) I would most >> likely get fired. Yet, when it comes to news reporters... they screw up, >> misinterpret, quote from the dead, etc. etc... etc... they seem to be doing >> just fine, and rasing through the ranks ... eh > >Yet your mistakes are much more likely to result in adverse consequences. >I guess it's a case of importance of the task. Are you certain of that? Misreported stories can and do ruin the lives of individuals and families. (Examples abound.) Sensationalist stories can destroy companies or entire industries. (The Alar scare, for example.) A *big* misreported story, one designed, for instance, to cause enough concern to pay the bills but instead causes full blown panic, might have significant adverse consequences. (I'm sure you can think of an example that would fit into today's paranoia.) Nope, to the extent that the public believes in them, newscasts could easily do considerable, widespread damage. Ron www.europa.com/~ronc "If UN peacekeeping had been involved during the US civil war, it'd still be going on today." ###### From: Donald Shepherd Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Evil Queen Beruthiel strikes back! Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:22:16 +1000 Organization: Sad Fuckers of the World Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <3C12951C.C136C185@erols.com> <0NKQ7.663$CR2.241648@typhoon.maine.rr.com> <9v1uth$ikg$1@news2.ipartners.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: 16.137.56.203.cns.nq.net X-Trace: gnamma.connect.com.au 1008044591 15885 203.56.137.16 (11 Dec 2001 04:23:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Dec 2001 04:23:11 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 X-Virus: I am a header virus. Please add me to your headers. Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!telocity-west!TELOCITY!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.bri.connect.com.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:62861 On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 01:56:58 GMT, Ronald O. Christian allegedly said the following... > On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:28:59 +1000, Donald Shepherd > wrote: > > >On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:21:05 +0100, Mallron > >allegedly said the following... > >> > Eventually you come to realise that reporters are just folks doing a job, > >> > and under more time pressure than most people, and hence making more > >> > mistakes than most people make in their jobs - pretty frightening :) > >> > > >> > >> The really frightening part is that they get away with it! Myself being an > >> engineer - if I was making so many mistakes in pretty much anything I touch > >> (and our deadlines are usually a week or two in the past) I would most > >> likely get fired. Yet, when it comes to news reporters... they screw up, > >> misinterpret, quote from the dead, etc. etc... etc... they seem to be doing > >> just fine, and rasing through the ranks ... eh > > > >Yet your mistakes are much more likely to result in adverse consequences. > >I guess it's a case of importance of the task. > > Are you certain of that? Misreported stories can and do ruin the > lives of individuals and families. (Examples abound.) Sensationalist > stories can destroy companies or entire industries. (The Alar scare, > for example.) A *big* misreported story, one designed, for instance, > to cause enough concern to pay the bills but instead causes full blown > panic, might have significant adverse consequences. (I'm sure you can > think of an example that would fit into today's paranoia.) > > Nope, to the extent that the public believes in them, newscasts could > easily do considerable, widespread damage. I don't dispute that, but misreporting a news article is still much less likely to cause adverse consequences than, say, a building or bridge collapsing (assuming Mallron is a civil engineer). -- Donald Shepherd "Part of the secret of success in life is to eat what you like and let the food fight it out inside." - Mark Twain (sourced from Usenet) ###### From: Ronald O. Christian Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Evil Queen Beruthiel strikes back! Message-ID: References: <3C12951C.C136C185@erols.com> <0NKQ7.663$CR2.241648@typhoon.maine.rr.com> <9v1uth$ikg$1@news2.ipartners.pl> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 47 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:40:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.168.198.212 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc51 1008085227 192.168.198.212 (Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:40:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:40:27 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.204!attbi_feed4!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc51.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:62561 On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:22:16 +1000, Donald Shepherd wrote: >On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 01:56:58 GMT, Ronald O. Christian >allegedly said the following... >> On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:28:59 +1000, Donald Shepherd >> wrote: >> >> >On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:21:05 +0100, Mallron >> >allegedly said the following... >> >> > Eventually you come to realise that reporters are just folks doing a job, >> >> > and under more time pressure than most people, and hence making more >> >> > mistakes than most people make in their jobs - pretty frightening :) >> >> > >> >> >> >> The really frightening part is that they get away with it! Myself being an >> >> engineer - if I was making so many mistakes in pretty much anything I touch >> >> (and our deadlines are usually a week or two in the past) I would most >> >> likely get fired. Yet, when it comes to news reporters... they screw up, >> >> misinterpret, quote from the dead, etc. etc... etc... they seem to be doing >> >> just fine, and rasing through the ranks ... eh >> > >> >Yet your mistakes are much more likely to result in adverse consequences. >> >I guess it's a case of importance of the task. >> >> Are you certain of that? Misreported stories can and do ruin the >> lives of individuals and families. (Examples abound.) Sensationalist >> stories can destroy companies or entire industries. (The Alar scare, >> for example.) A *big* misreported story, one designed, for instance, >> to cause enough concern to pay the bills but instead causes full blown >> panic, might have significant adverse consequences. (I'm sure you can >> think of an example that would fit into today's paranoia.) >> >> Nope, to the extent that the public believes in them, newscasts could >> easily do considerable, widespread damage. > >I don't dispute that, but misreporting a news article is still much less >likely to cause adverse consequences than, say, a building or bridge >collapsing (assuming Mallron is a civil engineer). But were he an engineer who designs lawn mowers? Ron www.europa.com/~ronc "If UN peacekeeping had been involved during the US civil war, it'd still be going on today." ###### From: "Raven" Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <3C12951C.C136C185@erols.com> <0NKQ7.663$CR2.241648@typhoon.maine.rr.com> <9v1uth$ikg$1@news2.ipartners.pl> Subject: Re: Evil Queen Beruthiel strikes back! Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <8ywR7.204$Qv5.10970@news.get2net.dk> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:13:51 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.82.196.100 X-Complaints-To: abuse@get2.net X-Trace: news.get2net.dk 1008112900 195.82.196.100 (Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:21:40 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:21:40 MET Organization: get2net Internet Kunde Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!194.213.69.151!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.get2net.dk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:62702 "Ronald O. Christian" skrev i en meddelelse news:gu9c1uovc7v5ggsjgikdbs5gnpip66dhqv@4ax.com... > But were he an engineer who designs lawn mowers? Cue three million lawn mowers that suddenly go berserk and mow their owners' heads over some timer overflow like the Y2K problem, or start chasing all paperboys in sight due to a bug in the weed recognition functions. Hraban. ###### From: Ronald O. Christian Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Evil Queen Beruthiel strikes back! Message-ID: <6v7d1uk8e72kd6vdkd3h05lvfv098n1g40@4ax.com> References: <3C12951C.C136C185@erols.com> <0NKQ7.663$CR2.241648@typhoon.maine.rr.com> <9v1uth$ikg$1@news2.ipartners.pl> <8ywR7.204$Qv5.10970@news.get2net.dk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:11:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.168.198.212 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc52 1008115895 192.168.198.212 (Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:11:35 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:11:35 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc52.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:62820 On Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:13:51 +0100, "Raven" wrote: >"Ronald O. Christian" skrev i en meddelelse >news:gu9c1uovc7v5ggsjgikdbs5gnpip66dhqv@4ax.com... > >> But were he an engineer who designs lawn mowers? > Cue three million lawn mowers that suddenly go berserk and mow their >owners' heads over some timer overflow like the Y2K problem, or start >chasing all paperboys in sight due to a bug in the weed recognition >functions. > >Hraban. Wow. That would be cool. Ron www.europa.com/~ronc "If UN peacekeeping had been involved during the US civil war, it'd still be going on today." ###### From: Donald Shepherd Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Evil Queen Beruthiel strikes back! Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:23:31 +1000 Organization: Sad Fuckers of the World Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <3C12951C.C136C185@erols.com> <0NKQ7.663$CR2.241648@typhoon.maine.rr.com> <9v1uth$ikg$1@news2.ipartners.pl> <8ywR7.204$Qv5.10970@news.get2net.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 14.137.56.203.cns.nq.net X-Trace: gnamma.connect.com.au 1008116666 18322 203.56.137.14 (12 Dec 2001 00:24:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Dec 2001 00:24:26 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 X-Virus: I am a header virus. Please add me to your headers. Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.bri.connect.com.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:62814 On Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:13:51 +0100, Raven allegedly said the following... > "Ronald O. Christian" skrev i en meddelelse > news:gu9c1uovc7v5ggsjgikdbs5gnpip66dhqv@4ax.com... > > > But were he an engineer who designs lawn mowers? > Cue three million lawn mowers that suddenly go berserk and mow their > owners' heads over some timer overflow like the Y2K problem, or start > chasing all paperboys in sight due to a bug in the weed recognition > functions. Good example. :) -- Donald Shepherd "There is no such thing as the Queen's English. The property has gone into the hands of a joint stock company and we own the bulk of the shares!" - Mark Twain (sourced from Usenet)