From: "Christian Hannibal" Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: How many lurkers? Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 14:17:04 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.242.71.223 X-Trace: 1004184752 dread05.news.tele.dk 25406 62.242.71.223 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56254 Perhaps this is a silly question, but I couldn't find anything about it in the FAQ or on google. Here goes: Anybody knows how many people subscribe to AFT or RABT? It would be interesting to know how many people who follow the more or less scholarly discussions in these two groups. Of cause there is the hard core little group who post many times a day who we all know, but who knows what potential there could be if all the lurkers would contribute with opinions, questions etc..... Hannibal ###### From: "Vulpecula Mordax" Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 15:04:12 +0200 Organization: Planet Internet NV Lines: 25 Message-ID: <9reb8m$c1a$1@news.planetinternet.be> References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <9reag2$tc5na$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: u212-239-166-122.adsl.pi.be X-Trace: news.planetinternet.be 1004187734 12330 212.239.166.122 (27 Oct 2001 13:02:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@planetinternet.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Oct 2001 13:02:14 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 14:06:46 BST (newsr2.u-net.net) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!cleanfeed.casema.net!leda.casema.net!newsr2.u-net.net!news-peer-uk.interpacket.net!planetinternet.be!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56235 Morgil Blackhope schreef in berichtnieuws 9reag2$tc5na$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de... | | Christian Hannibal kirjoitti viestissä | <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk>... | >Perhaps this is a silly question, but I couldn't find anything about it in | >the FAQ or on google. Here goes: Anybody knows how many people subscribe to | >AFT or RABT? It would be interesting to know how many people who follow | >the more or less scholarly discussions in these two groups. Of cause there | >is the hard core little group who post many times a day who we all know, | but | >who knows what potential there could be if all the lurkers would contribute | >with opinions, questions etc..... | | And how many people read the Etext? That´s what I would like to know. one ###### Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: mrhobbit9@aol.com (MrHobbit9) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Date: 27 Oct 2001 15:07:01 GMT References: <9rec64$tf0bj$1@ID-23037.news.dfncis.de> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Message-ID: <20011027110701.15584.00000189@mb-me.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!195.158.233.21.MISMATCH!news1.ebone.net!news.ebone.net!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56217 >Anybody knows how many people subscribe >to > AFT or RABT? On AOL, we don't need to sign up for newsgroups. They're just right there. Waiting for anyone to post... ...yep... ###### From: Mercedes McTaggart Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 17:53:20 +0100 Organization: not much Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <9reag2$tc5na$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-304.barrelled.dialup.pol.co.uk (62.25.141.48) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1004201856 30603112 62.25.141.48 (16 [62434]) X-Orig-Path: spamfree.fsnet.co.uk!Mercy X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!modem-304.barrelled.dialup.pol.co.UK!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56238 In article <9reag2$tc5na$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de>, Morgil Blackhope writes >And how many people read the Etext? That´s what I would like to know. > >Morgil three including yourself :-) Mercy ###### Message-ID: <3BDAEA2F.14B4C92D@ou.edu> From: Katherine Tredwell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: How many lurkers? References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:09:04 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.15.167.232 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ou.edu X-Trace: news.ou.edu 1004202567 129.15.167.232 (Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:09:27 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:09:27 CDT Organization: The University of Oklahoma Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.onenet.net!leto.ou.edu!news.ou.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56250 Christian Hannibal wrote: > Perhaps this is a silly question, but I couldn't find anything about it in > the FAQ or on google. Here goes: Anybody knows how many people subscribe to > AFT or RABT? They're like cockroaches: for every one you see, there's hundreds you don't. > It would be interesting to know how many people who follow > the more or less scholarly discussions in these two groups. Of cause there > is the hard core little group who post many times a day who we all know, but > who knows what potential there could be if all the lurkers would contribute > with opinions, questions etc..... Well, nobody would be able to keep up with the newsgroups. People would become so overwhelmed by the posts, they would quit reading altogether. As readers and potential posters drifted away, the number of posts would drop, until you were left with a hard core little group who would post many times a day. . . . Katherine Tredwell ###### From: catfreckles13@netscape.net (catfreckles) Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Date: 27 Oct 2001 13:00:39 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 37 Message-ID: <3433c0e7.0110271200.86ac3d1@posting.google.com> References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <9reag2$tc5na$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.170.28.127 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1004212839 2956 127.0.0.1 (27 Oct 2001 20:00:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Oct 2001 20:00:39 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56301 "Morgil Blackhope" wrote in message news:<9reag2$tc5na$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de>... > Christian Hannibal kirjoitti viestissä > <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk>... > >Perhaps this is a silly question, but I couldn't find anything about it in > >the FAQ or on google. Here goes: Anybody knows how many people subscribe to > >AFT or RABT? It would be interesting to know how many people who follow > >the more or less scholarly discussions in these two groups. Of cause there > >is the hard core little group who post many times a day who we all know, > but > >who knows what potential there could be if all the lurkers would contribute > >with opinions, questions etc..... > > And how many people read the Etext? That´s what I would like to know. > > Morgil Well I've been lurking here for almost two years. I read, but seldom post on the more scholarly discussions, because I haven't read HoME. I have read LoTR many times, but do have fears of being flamed. Most people on this NG are nice, but there are a few testy ones :) I've been trying to post a little more often, so that I won't be mistaken for a newbie when the movie comes out. And since I'm putting my two cents in, I agree with Steuard that we should be polite to newbies. There may be a lot of curious children posting. As far as the Etext I read it until things got so convoluted. From other sources, it seems like the media has taken it seriously a few times :) Catfreckles ###### From: Mercedes McTaggart Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 21:23:57 +0100 Organization: not much Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <9reag2$tc5na$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de> <9rf0tp$tg27r$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-677.arbok.dialup.pol.co.uk (217.135.18.165) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1004214352 30546123 217.135.18.165 (16 [62434]) X-Orig-Path: spamfree.fsnet.co.uk!Mercy X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!modem-677.arbok.dialup.pol.co.UK!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56299 In article <9rf0tp$tg27r$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de>, Morgil Blackhope writes >Naah. Must be at least dozen. > >must.... All right I lied. It's actually eight (excluding you and I) :-) Mercy ###### From: "David Flood" Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 22:57:29 +0100 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <9rfag4$3f4$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <9reag2$tc5na$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de> <3433c0e7.0110271200.86ac3d1@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-96.nuada.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1004219716 3556 62.137.249.96 (27 Oct 2001 21:55:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Oct 2001 21:55:16 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56277 "catfreckles" wrote in message news:3433c0e7.0110271200.86ac3d1@posting.google.com... > Most people on this NG are nice, but there are a few testy ones :) "Testy" being a polite way of saying we'll bite your head off at the first squeak? :) D. ###### Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: mrhobbit9@aol.com (MrHobbit9) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Date: 27 Oct 2001 23:22:38 GMT References: <9rfag4$3f4$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Message-ID: <20011027192238.20185.00000259@mb-fe.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56275 >> Most people on this NG are nice, but there are a few testy ones :) > >"Testy" being a polite way of saying we'll bite your head off at the first >squeak? :) > Squeak *hides* ###### From: Donald Shepherd Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 09:33:52 +1000 Organization: Chicken Killer Anonymous Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <9reag2$tc5na$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de> <3433c0e7.0110271200.86ac3d1@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: res-30-113.emmanuel.uq.edu.au X-Trace: bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au 1004225655 7412 192.168.30.113 (27 Oct 2001 23:34:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@uq.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Oct 2001 23:34:15 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.optus.net.au!optus!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56284 In article <3433c0e7.0110271200.86ac3d1@posting.google.com>, catfreckles says... > Well I've been lurking here for almost two years. I read, but seldom > post > on the more scholarly discussions, because I haven't read HoME. I > have read > LoTR many times, but do have fears of being flamed. running> Pah, that never stopped anyone. Well, it definitely didn't stop me (I hadn't even read Silm and UT before starting posting. The NG got me interested enough to read them). -- Donald Shepherd "When you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to stop and reconsider." - Mark Twain ###### From: Donald Shepherd Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 09:36:43 +1000 Organization: Chicken Killer Anonymous Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <9rfag4$3f4$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <20011027192238.20185.00000259@mb-fe.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: res-30-113.emmanuel.uq.edu.au X-Trace: bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au 1004225826 7412 192.168.30.113 (27 Oct 2001 23:37:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@uq.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Oct 2001 23:37:06 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.netcologne.de!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!204.94.211.44!enews.sgi.com!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56285 In article <20011027192238.20185.00000259@mb-fe.aol.com>, MrHobbit9 says... > >> Most people on this NG are nice, but there are a few testy ones :) > > > >"Testy" being a polite way of saying we'll bite your head off at the first > >squeak? :) > > > > Squeak > > *hides* So softy's bite is catching? -- Donald Shepherd "When you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to stop and reconsider." - Mark Twain ###### Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: How many lurkers? References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <9reag2$tc5na$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de> <3433c0e7.0110271200.86ac3d1@posting.google.com> X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test70 (17 January 1999) From: sbjensen@midway.uchicago.edu (Steuard Jensen) Lines: 23 Message-ID: <2IHC7.236$N4.6401@news.uchicago.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.135.12.7 X-Trace: news.uchicago.edu 1004226430 128.135.12.7 (Sat, 27 Oct 2001 18:47:10 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 18:47:10 CDT Organization: The University of Chicago X-SessionID: 2IHC7-37783-N4-6365@news.uchicago.edu X-Hash-Info: post-filter,v:1.4 X-Hash: 80cddde7 d385e8d9 abeef6db 6bb89442 a5f064c8 Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 23:47:10 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!colt.net!nycmny1-snf1.gtei.net!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news.uchicago.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56273 Quoth catfreckles13@netscape.net (catfreckles) in article <3433c0e7.0110271200.86ac3d1@posting.google.com>: > Well I've been lurking here for almost two years. I read, but seldom > post on the more scholarly discussions, because I haven't read HoME. > I have read LoTR many times, but do have fears of being > flamed. Aw, you don't need to be _quite_ so careful, I think. :) It's perfectly fine to discuss "scholarly" issues without having read HoMe. Sure, some people will say, "No, that's disproven in a footnote to an incomplete draft in the middle of _The Shaping of Middle-earth," but there's nothing wrong with the occasional correction (we _all_ get them!). If your contributions are firmly based on a good understanding of LotR (which I'm sure they would be), you'll probably be "right" the vast majority of the time. (I'd guess that in most discussions, at least half of the information used comes from LotR and _The Hobbit_, and another quarter of it from _The Silmarillion_.) At any rate, you could probably contribute quite a bit to discussions here. In the end, it's one's "feel" for Middle-earth that matters most. Extensive reading is secondary. :) Steuard Jensen ###### From: kueikutzu@-remove-hotmail.com Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Organization: Cryptic Message-ID: References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <9reag2$tc5na$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de> <3433c0e7.0110271200.86ac3d1@posting.google.com> <9rfag4$3f4$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 01:46:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.88.117.84 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1004233570 12.88.117.84 (Sun, 28 Oct 2001 01:46:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 01:46:10 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56261 On 28 Oct 2001 01:08:06 +0200, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: >"David Flood" writes: > >> "catfreckles" wrote in message >> news:3433c0e7.0110271200.86ac3d1@posting.google.com... >> >>> Most people on this NG are nice, but there are a few testy ones :) >> >> "Testy" being a polite way of saying we'll bite your head off at the first >> squeak? :) > >*squeak*? > >SCNR > Marc ::CHOMP!!!!:: -- [remove -remove- to reply] "It was not always like this, of course. On occasion it's been worse." -- John Gardner, "Grendel" ###### From: "Öjevind Lång" Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <9reag2$tc5na$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de> <3433c0e7.0110271200.86ac3d1@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.44.32 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 1004246857 212.151.44.32 (Sun, 28 Oct 2001 06:27:37 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 06:27:37 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 X-Sender: s-774765@d212-151-44-32.swipnet.se Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 06:28:06 +0100 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!192.71.180.34!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56288 catfreckles wrote: [snip] > >As far as the Etext I read it until things got so convoluted. From >other >sources, it seems like the media has taken it seriously a few times :) Really? That sounds interesting. (Snigger.) Would you provide a quote or a link? Öjevind ###### From: "Noora " Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 11:28:28 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <9reag2$tc5na$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de> <9rf0tp$tg27r$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: cache-tre-2.inet.fi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.mailgate.org 1004258031 29917 195.165.1.12 (Sun Oct 28 12:28:28 2001) X-Complaints-To: abuse@mailgate.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 11:28:28 +0000 (UTC) Injector-Info: news.mailgate.org; posting-host=cache-tre-2.inet.fi; posting-account=25386; posting-date=1004258031 User-Agent: Mailgate Web Server X-URL: http://www.Mailgate.ORG Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!212.177.105.133!news.mailgate.org!web2news!cache-tre-2.inet.fi!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56266 "Mercedes McTaggart" wrote in message news:bkn7+HAdfx27IwMn@spamfree.fsnet.co.uk... > In article <9rf0tp$tg27r$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de>, Morgil Blackhope > writes > > >Naah. Must be at least dozen. > > > >must.... > > All right I lied. It's actually eight (excluding you and I) :-) > Mercy got to be a score at least... or something around that. talking of e-texts, here's one of the Hobbit. http://personal.inet.fi/koti/tolkienfan/snobbit.htm#suom the translation project isn't proceeding very quickly but still... - Noora -- Posted from cache-tre-2.inet.fi [195.165.1.12] via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG ###### From: Ermanna Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 06:52:40 -0500 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3BDBF187.484FE9D3@erols.com> References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Reply-To: Ermanna@erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZuNVbEIQYuRx97DnQKEeio8BUPALPgQ3jCvTAGdlNyhvQT1L8UTeMy X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Oct 2001 12:07:17 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56263 Christian Hannibal made dwagin-sized wripples in the Force: > who knows what potential there could be if all the lurkers would contribute > with opinions, questions etc..... Then they wouldn't be lurkers. > Hannibal Ermanna the Elven Jedi Knight, Lady of Rivendell, Headmistress of the AFT/RABT Charm School Elbereth Gilthoniel! ###### From: Donald Shepherd Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 23:21:09 +1000 Organization: Chicken Killer Anonymous Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <3BDBF187.484FE9D3@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: res-30-113.emmanuel.uq.edu.au X-Trace: bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au 1004275300 18432 192.168.30.113 (28 Oct 2001 13:21:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@uq.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Oct 2001 13:21:40 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.optus.net.au!optus!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56318 In article <3BDBF187.484FE9D3@erols.com>, Ermanna says... > > > Christian Hannibal made dwagin-sized wripples in the Force: > > > who knows what potential there could be if all the lurkers would contribute > > with opinions, questions etc..... > > Then they wouldn't be lurkers. They could be lurking very loudly. I know I do. -- Donald Shepherd "When you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to stop and reconsider." - Mark Twain ###### From: Catfreckles13@netscape.net (catfreckles) Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Date: 28 Oct 2001 09:50:33 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <9reag2$tc5na$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de> <3433c0e7.0110271200.86ac3d1@posting.google.com> <9rgoj8$qh75d$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.170.28.67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1004291433 19089 127.0.0.1 (28 Oct 2001 17:50:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Oct 2001 17:50:33 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56320 "Morgil Blackhope" wrote in message news:<9rgoj8$qh75d$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de>... > Öjevind Lång kirjoitti viestissä ... > >catfreckles wrote: > > > >[snip] > >> > >>As far as the Etext I read it until things got so convoluted. From > >>other > >>sources, it seems like the media has taken it seriously a few times :) > > > >Really? That sounds interesting. (Snigger.) Would you provide a quote or a > >link? > > I think he means the LotR synopsis and the Queen Beruthiel, > Galadriel´s evil twin sister - story... I was afraid someone might ask that, I think it was from theonering.net, quite some time ago. It probably was the Queen Beruthial story and a major newspaper printed it as factual. If I can locate it, I'll post a link. Catfreckles ###### From: Catfreckles13@netscape.net (catfreckles) Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Date: 28 Oct 2001 09:58:36 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <9reag2$tc5na$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de> <3433c0e7.0110271200.86ac3d1@posting.google.com> <2IHC7.236$N4.6401@news.uchicago.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.170.28.67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1004291916 19205 127.0.0.1 (28 Oct 2001 17:58:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Oct 2001 17:58:36 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56321 sbjensen@midway.uchicago.edu (Steuard Jensen) wrote in message news:<2IHC7.236$N4.6401@news.uchicago.edu>... > Quoth catfreckles13@netscape.net (catfreckles) in article > <3433c0e7.0110271200.86ac3d1@posting.google.com>: > > Well I've been lurking here for almost two years. I read, but seldom > > post on the more scholarly discussions, because I haven't read HoME. > > I have read LoTR many times, but do have fears of being > > flamed. > > Aw, you don't need to be _quite_ so careful, I think. :) It's > perfectly fine to discuss "scholarly" issues without having read HoMe. [snip] > At any rate, you could probably contribute quite a bit to discussions > here. In the end, it's one's "feel" for Middle-earth that matters > most. Extensive reading is secondary. :) > Thanks for the pep talk, I'll try to be more brave. :) Catfreckles ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Date: 28 Oct 2001 19:54:31 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6uofmrlhnc.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <9reag2$tc5na$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de> <3433c0e7.0110271200.86ac3d1@posting.google.com> <9rgoj8$qh75d$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 1004295275 729 10.0.3.2 (28 Oct 2001 18:54:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Oct 2001 18:54:35 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56332 Catfreckles13@netscape.net (catfreckles) writes: > "Morgil Blackhope" wrote in message news:<9rgoj8$qh75d $1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de>... > > I think he means the LotR synopsis and the Queen Beruthiel, > > Galadriel´s evil twin sister - story... > > I was afraid someone might ask that, I think it was from theonering.net, Nope, from the Tolkien Sarcasm page: http://www.speakeasy.org/~ohh/homework.htm > quite some time ago. It probably was the Queen Beruthial story and a major > newspaper printed it as factual. If I can locate it, I'll post a link. The Sunday Times: http://www.sunday-times.co.uk:80/news/pages/tim/2000/07/26/timartcin01001.html And back to the original question: There exist no way to find out how many people read an newsgroup. The entire design (flood fill) of Usenet makes any type of statistics collection impossible. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Sysadmin, Archer, Roleplayer - Intellectual Property is Intellectual Robbery ###### User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Subject: Re: How many lurkers? From: Paul Dippolito Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Message-ID: References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <9reag2$tc5na$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de> <3433c0e7.0110271200.86ac3d1@posting.google.com><2IHC7.236$N4.6401@news.uchicago.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 18:41:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.168.20.196 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyc.rr.com 1004294465 24.168.20.196 (Sun, 28 Oct 2001 13:41:05 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 13:41:05 EST Organization: Road Runner - NYC Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!nyccyc01!news-out.nyc.rr.com!typhoon.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56346 in article 2IHC7.236$N4.6401@news.uchicago.edu, Steuard Jensen at sbjensen@midway.uchicago.edu wrote on 10/27/01 6:47 PM: (in part): At any rate, you could probably contribute quite a bit to discussions here. In the end, it's one's "feel" for Middle-earth that matters most. Extensive reading is secondary. :) Steuard Jensen --------- Thank you. I agree. ###### From: Jon Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Followup-To: alt.fan.tolkien Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 20:38:42 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4ad0b3ec69jghall@argonet.co.uk> References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <9reag2$tc5na$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de> <3433c0e7.0110271200.86ac3d1@posting.google.com> <9rgoj8$qh75d$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14e (RISC-OS/3.70) Organization: None MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: userau31.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: 1004302296 news.dial.pipex.com 8514 62.188.137.233 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!193.190.198.17.MISMATCH!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!cleanfeed.casema.net!leda.casema.net!bnewspeer01.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!bnewspost00.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56355 In article , catfreckles wrote: > "Morgil Blackhope" wrote in message news:<9rgoj8$qh75d$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de>... > > Öjevind Lång kirjoitti viestissä ... > > >catfreckles wrote: > > I think he means the LotR synopsis and the Queen Beruthiel, > > Galadriel´s evil twin sister - story... > I was afraid someone might ask that, I think it was from theonering.net, > quite some time ago. It probably was the Queen Beruthial story and a major > newspaper printed it as factual. If I can locate it, I'll post a link. It was in the Times newspaper. Jon. -- _ _ _ / \ / \ / \ jghall@argonet.co.uk * jon@acornarcade.com ( J | o | n )http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jghall/ \_/ \_/ \_/ 7, High Street, Balrog Cuttings, TEUNC. Run eels, run!!! ###### Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: How many lurkers? From: kyliejohnson@NOSPAMhotmail.com (Amarantha) References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <9reag2$tc5na$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de> <3433c0e7.0110271200.86ac3d1@posting.google.com> <9rfag4$3f4$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.01.30 NNTP-Posting-Host: jlpc.its.rmit.edu.au Date: 29 Oct 2001 12:02:08 +1000 X-Trace: itsawnews.its.rmit.edu.au 1004317328 jlpc.its.rmit.edu.au (29 Oct 2001 12:02:08 +1000) Lines: 21 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.optus.net.au!optus!vrn.edu.au!131.170.8.40.MISMATCH!itsawnews.its.rmit.edu.au Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56385 Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote in : >"David Flood" writes: > >> "Testy" being a polite way of saying we'll bite your head off at the >> first squeak? :) > >*squeak*? > > Marc *Marc gets head bitten off* "SQUEAK" K ;) -- Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy, and taste like chicken. www.petronella.com.au ###### From: Johnathan George Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 22:38:12 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 45 Message-ID: <3BDCCF24.4D5A58BC@mindspring.com> References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <9rec64$tf0bj$1@ID-23037.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.0e.7e Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 29 Oct 2001 03:34:46 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56349 Andrew Wells wrote: > > Christian Hannibal wrote in message > news:3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk... > > Perhaps this is a silly question, but I couldn't find anything about it in > > the FAQ or on google. Here goes: Anybody knows how many people subscribe > to > > AFT or RABT? It would be interesting to know how many people who follow > > the more or less scholarly discussions in these two groups. Of cause there > > is the hard core little group who post many times a day who we all know, > but > > who knows what potential there could be if all the lurkers would > contribute > > with opinions, questions etc..... > > There is an occasionally-quoted figure of ten lurkers to one poster, but > this is probably little more than a guess. On a email listserver I moderate, there were posts from 123 unique email addresses in the last 3458 messages, and according to yahoo groups there are 312 unique email adresses subscribed. That gives a about 2.53 lurkers for every poster. Of course that's not really exactly accurate, because some people are subscribed from more than on email address, and not all the people who are subscribed actually read the group. It also depend on exactly how you define lurker. A pretty large percentage of the unique addresses only had one or two posts. In any case, I'd say that in that group the actual number is probably somewhere between 2 and 5 lurkers per poster. I'd also guess that a newsgroup like this one would have more lurkers than that listserver. The people in that group probably tend to be more interested in getting answers to their specific questions (related to a specific medical condition) than people here for whom the group is more recreation than life and death type stuff. So for this group my personal estimate (FWIW) is between one and 10 lurkers for every poster... how's that for a nonspecific answer? Johnathan -- Give the gift of life Sign your organ donor card Tell your family you want to be an organ donor ###### From: "Mirabella" Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <9rec64$tf0bj$1@ID-23037.news.dfncis.de> <3BDCCF24.4D5A58BC@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Lines: 52 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust83.tnt2.bne1.da.uu.net X-Trace: ozemail.com.au 1004342291 210.84.83.83 (Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:58:11 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:58:11 EST Organization: OzEmail Ltd, Australia Distribution: world Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:01:56 +1000 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsmi-eu.news.garr.it!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.optus.net.au!optus!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!ozemail.com.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56350 Johnathan George wrote in message news:3BDCCF24.4D5A58BC@mindspring.com... > Andrew Wells wrote: > > > > Christian Hannibal wrote in message > > news:3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk... > > > Perhaps this is a silly question, but I couldn't find anything about it in > > > the FAQ or on google. Here goes: Anybody knows how many people subscribe > > to > > > AFT or RABT? It would be interesting to know how many people who follow > > > the more or less scholarly discussions in these two groups. Of cause there > > > is the hard core little group who post many times a day who we all know, > > but > > > who knows what potential there could be if all the lurkers would > > contribute > > > with opinions, questions etc..... > > > > There is an occasionally-quoted figure of ten lurkers to one poster, but > > this is probably little more than a guess. > > On a email listserver I moderate, there were posts from 123 unique email > addresses in the last 3458 messages, and according to yahoo groups there > are 312 unique email adresses subscribed. That gives a about 2.53 > lurkers for every poster. Of course that's not really exactly accurate, > because some people are subscribed from more than on email address, and > not all the people who are subscribed actually read the group. It also > depend on exactly how you define lurker. A pretty large percentage of > the unique addresses only had one or two posts. > > In any case, I'd say that in that group the actual number is probably > somewhere between 2 and 5 lurkers per poster. I'd also guess that a > newsgroup like this one would have more lurkers than that listserver. > The people in that group probably tend to be more interested in getting > answers to their specific questions (related to a specific medical > condition) than people here for whom the group is more recreation than > life and death type stuff. > > So for this group my personal estimate (FWIW) is between one and 10 > lurkers for every poster... how's that for a nonspecific answer? Better than an answer from a politician :-) Mirabella ###### From: "Christian Hannibal" Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <9rec64$tf0bj$1@ID-23037.news.dfncis.de> <3BDCCF24.4D5A58BC@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:38:52 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Lines: 56 Message-ID: <3bdd1488$0$755$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.242.71.223 X-Trace: 1004344456 dread04.news.tele.dk 755 62.242.71.223 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56379 "Johnathan George" skrev i en meddelelse news:3BDCCF24.4D5A58BC@mindspring.com... > Andrew Wells wrote: > > > > Christian Hannibal wrote in message > > news:3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk... > > > Perhaps this is a silly question, but I couldn't find anything about it in > > > the FAQ or on google. Here goes: Anybody knows how many people subscribe > > to > > > AFT or RABT? It would be interesting to know how many people who follow > > > the more or less scholarly discussions in these two groups. Of cause there > > > is the hard core little group who post many times a day who we all know, > > but > > > who knows what potential there could be if all the lurkers would > > contribute > > > with opinions, questions etc..... > > > > There is an occasionally-quoted figure of ten lurkers to one poster, but > > this is probably little more than a guess. > > On a email listserver I moderate, there were posts from 123 unique email > addresses in the last 3458 messages, and according to yahoo groups there > are 312 unique email adresses subscribed. That gives a about 2.53 > lurkers for every poster. Of course that's not really exactly accurate, > because some people are subscribed from more than on email address, and > not all the people who are subscribed actually read the group. It also > depend on exactly how you define lurker. A pretty large percentage of > the unique addresses only had one or two posts. > > In any case, I'd say that in that group the actual number is probably > somewhere between 2 and 5 lurkers per poster. I'd also guess that a > newsgroup like this one would have more lurkers than that listserver. > The people in that group probably tend to be more interested in getting > answers to their specific questions (related to a specific medical > condition) than people here for whom the group is more recreation than > life and death type stuff. > > So for this group my personal estimate (FWIW) is between one and 10 > lurkers for every poster... how's that for a nonspecific answer? > > Johnathan > Pretty good actually....for a nonspecific answer.... Hannibal ###### From: Donald Shepherd Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:47:15 +1000 Organization: Chicken Killer Anonymous Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <9rec64$tf0bj$1@ID-23037.news.dfncis.de> <3BDCCF24.4D5A58BC@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: res-30-113.emmanuel.uq.edu.au X-Trace: bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au 1004345265 25833 192.168.30.113 (29 Oct 2001 08:47:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@uq.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Oct 2001 08:47:45 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.optus.net.au!optus!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56367 In article <3BDCCF24.4D5A58BC@mindspring.com>, Johnathan George > So for this group my personal estimate (FWIW) is between one and 10 > lurkers for every poster... how's that for a nonspecific answer? So now all we have to do is check the last Top 10 list for the number of posters. -- Donald Shepherd "When you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to stop and reconsider." - Mark Twain ###### From: catfreckles13@netscape.net (catfreckles) Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Date: 29 Oct 2001 10:55:02 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3433c0e7.0110291055.4b8efb12@posting.google.com> References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <9reag2$tc5na$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de> <3433c0e7.0110271200.86ac3d1@posting.google.com> <9rgoj8$qh75d$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de> <6uofmrlhnc.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.170.28.53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1004381702 10235 127.0.0.1 (29 Oct 2001 18:55:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Oct 2001 18:55:02 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56416 Neil Franklin wrote in message news:<6uofmrlhnc.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch>... > Catfreckles13@netscape.net (catfreckles) writes: > > > "Morgil Blackhope" wrote in message news:<9rgoj8$qh75d > $1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de>... > > > I think he means the LotR synopsis and the Queen Beruthiel, > > > Galadriel´s evil twin sister - story... > > > > I was afraid someone might ask that, I think it was from theonering.net, > > Nope, from the Tolkien Sarcasm page: > > http://www.speakeasy.org/~ohh/homework.htm > > > > quite some time ago. It probably was the Queen Beruthial story and a major > > newspaper printed it as factual. If I can locate it, I'll post a link. > > The Sunday Times: > > http://www.sunday-times.co.uk:80/news/pages/tim/2000/07/26/timartcin01001.html [snip] Thanks for the links. I knew there was something out there, I just couldn't remember where exactly. Catfreckles ###### Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: How many lurkers? From: kyliejohnson@NOSPAMhotmail.com (Amarantha) References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <9reag2$tc5na$1@ID-81911.news.dfncis.de> <3433c0e7.0110271200.86ac3d1@posting.google.com> <9rfag4$3f4$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <668ycuze.fsf@ID-53561.news.dfncis.de> Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.01.30 NNTP-Posting-Host: jlpc.its.rmit.edu.au Date: 30 Oct 2001 10:05:05 +1000 X-Trace: itsawnews.its.rmit.edu.au 1004396705 jlpc.its.rmit.edu.au (30 Oct 2001 10:05:05 +1000) Lines: 28 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!deine.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!news.mel.connect.com.au!newshub1.rdc1.nsw.optushome.com.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!vrn.edu.au!131.170.8.40.MISMATCH!itsawnews.its.rmit.edu.au Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56421 Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote in <668ycuze.fsf@ID-53561.news.dfncis.de>: >kyliejohnson@NOSPAMhotmail.com (Amarantha) writes: > >> Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote in >> : >> >>> *squeak*? >> >> *Marc gets head bitten off* > >*argh* > >I can't see you! Where are you? Ahhhhhhhhh! > >cu > Marc hee hee a Pratchett fan would have gotten the point - the "SQUEAK" was that of the Death of Rats ;) K -- Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy, and taste like chicken. www.petronella.com.au ###### From: "Bean" Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:19:51 -0500 Organization: I used to say something funny here. Maybe I'll bring it back :o) Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <9rec64$tf0bj$1@ID-23037.news.dfncis.de> <3BDCCF24.4D5A58BC@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rts14p7.xyp.rpi.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Pan/0.10.0.93 (Unix) X-Comment-To: "Johnathan George" Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uwm.edu!rpi!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56451 On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 22:38:12 -0500, "Johnathan George" scribbled (metaphorically speaking, of course): > Andrew Wells wrote: > So for this group my personal estimate (FWIW) is between one and 10 > lurkers for every poster... how's that for a nonspecific answer? So, should we just count off then? I'm one, and have been for about 1.5 months or so. Oh, and a side note, to Xaonon, if you read this...just for the record, every time you post an RPI address for one of your graphics, it "freaks me out," so to speak (check my Organization header...) Zach Bean ###### From: "Bean" Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:23:14 -0500 Organization: I used to say something funny here. Maybe I'll bring it back :o) Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <9rec64$tf0bj$1@ID-23037.news.dfncis.de> <3BDCCF24.4D5A58BC@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rts14p7.xyp.rpi.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Pan/0.10.0.93 (Unix) X-Comment-To: "Bean" Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.bme.hu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!rpi!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56450 On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:19:51 -0500, "Bean" scribbled (metaphorically speaking, of course): >> So for this group my personal estimate (FWIW) is between one and 10 >> lurkers for every poster... how's that for a nonspecific answer? > > So, should we just count off then? I'm one, and have been for about 1.5 > months or so. > > Oh, and a side note, to Xaonon, if you read this...just for the record, > every time you post an RPI address for one of your graphics, it "freaks > me out," so to speak (check my Organization header...) Um, sorry for the self-followup, but I've just checked my Organization header, and remembered that I set it to something else...It used to say "Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY USA" or whatever default they set it to... Zach Bean ###### Reply-To: "Dallas Maynard" From: "Dallas Maynard" Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <3BDBF187.484FE9D3@erols.com> Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 03:32:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.179.129.56 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1004412766 209.179.129.56 (Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:32:46 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:32:46 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:28:52 PST (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56430 While I may send this one post, I still think I can give a "lurkers" perspective. I don't subscribe to this, or any newsgroup, but I check in on it every few weeks (as I have over the past two or three years) to see if anything looks interesting. I saw the ratio of 1 poster for every 10 lurkers. Given the popularity of the book over so many generations, I would have to guess (since I have nothing to back me up) that it it much higher - 1:100 or 1:1000. I don't feel the need to post because you often cover a subject so thoroughly from within your little group. My guess is that many others feel the same. I find all of you very knowledgeable about the story, and often very entertaining. I have changed a number of long held personal notions about LOTR based on posts to this group. I even read the Silarilien, The Tolkien Reader and Unfinished Tales recently because you reference other Tolkien works so often in your replies. Please keep up the good work. DM ###### From: Michael Kohrs Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Message-ID: References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <3BDBF187.484FE9D3@erols.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 41 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 08:31:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.14.88.211 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1004430671 63.14.88.211 (Tue, 30 Oct 2001 08:31:11 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 08:31:11 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!newsfeed.r-kom.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56425 On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 03:32:46 GMT, "Dallas Maynard" wrote: >While I may send this one post, I still think I can give a "lurkers" >perspective. > >I don't subscribe to this, or any newsgroup, but I check in on it every few >weeks (as I have over the past two or three years) to see if anything looks >interesting. > >I saw the ratio of 1 poster for every 10 lurkers. Given the popularity of >the book over so many generations, I would have to guess (since I have >nothing to back me up) that it it much higher - 1:100 or 1:1000. > >I don't feel the need to post because you often cover a subject so >thoroughly from within your little group. My guess is that many others feel >the same. > >I find all of you very knowledgeable about the story, and often very >entertaining. I have changed a number of long held personal notions about >LOTR based on posts to this group. I even read the Silarilien, The Tolkien >Reader and Unfinished Tales recently because you reference other Tolkien >works so often in your replies. > >Please keep up the good work. > >DM > Hey, please feel free to post more often. Our door is always open and we never get tired of hearing gratuitous praise! < g > So as long as you have actually read some of Tolkien's books, you are welcome to join our discussions. You are welcome even if you don't have anything to add except the occasional humorous comment. I can think of a quite a few relative newbies - Mercedes McTaggart, TradeSurplus and Sam Sands to name but a few of many excellent and worthy people - who have already made the Tolkien newsgroups more enjoyable with their presence. It's also nice to know that the contributions of such esteemed scholars as Conrad Dunkerson, Steuard Jensen and others too numerous to mention are occasionally appreciated. :) Mnkohrz ###### From: tallon@mindspring.com (Tallon J. Larham) Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Date: 30 Oct 2001 07:49:48 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: <502e4766.0110300749.35dd269f@posting.google.com> References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.21.188.232 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1004456988 31971 127.0.0.1 (30 Oct 2001 15:49:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Oct 2001 15:49:48 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56551 I have been lurking in AFT for a while, I usualy don't post because I don't have the time (Between School, Wife & Kids and Work). And while I agree that sometimes people get a little "testy" it should also be understood that people who get testy do so because other posters jump into habits that regular posters have delt with time and again (thus the frequent flame "READ THE FAQ"). All one needs to do is be informed about the particular rules for the group and he/she would avoid having their head ripped from their shoulders, and wonder why everyone got so upset we he/she asked if the Balrog had wings? The e-text I have not read, because I find one of the problems is that most strings are based on a message that I cannot receive with my news client, therefore I am left guessing as to where the line of debate began. Anyway, that is my two cents. Later, Tallon J. Larham ###### From: "Öjevind Lång" Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <502e4766.0110300749.35dd269f@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.42.105 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 1004471289 212.151.42.105 (Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:48:09 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:48:09 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 X-Sender: s-220322@d212-151-42-105.swipnet.se Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:48:42 +0100 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.r-kom.de!news.netcologne.de!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!192.71.180.34!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56537 Tallon J. Larham wrote: [snip] >The e-text I have not >read, because I find one of the problems is that most strings are >based on a message that I cannot receive with my news client, >therefore I am left guessing as to where the line of debate began. You can find it at the Tolkien sarcasm Site, http://flyingmoose.org/tolksarc/. Öjevind ###### From: "menel" Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 19:49:38 +0000 (UTC) Organization: OWDS Inc. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <01c16244$dcd79a60$a932ac3f@ed> References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-01-169.gp-dialup.net X-Trace: news.chatlink.com 1004557778 5767 63.172.50.169 (31 Oct 2001 19:49:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@chatlink.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 19:49:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!uunet!lax.uu.net!sea.uu.net!news.chatlink.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56578 Christian Hannibal wrote in article <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk>... > Perhaps this is a silly question, but I couldn't find anything about it in > the FAQ or on google. Here goes: Anybody knows how many people subscribe to > AFT or RABT? It would be interesting to know how many people who follow > the more or less scholarly discussions in these two groups. Of cause there > is the hard core little group who post many times a day who we all know, but > who knows what potential there could be if all the lurkers would contribute > with opinions, questions etc..... > > Hannibal I've been a lurker on and off for a few years. I've never gotten up the nerve to jump in, though. I know my fair share of Tolkien (read Hob, LotR, Silm, UT, some HoME). Maybe some time I'll throw in my two cents on a conversation. now to fade back into the shadows ###### From: "inkliing" Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <9rec64$tf0bj$1@ID-23037.news.dfncis.de> <3BDCCF24.4D5A58BC@mindspring.com> <3bdd1488$0$755$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 19:40:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.126.86.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.we.rr.com 1004730019 24.126.86.52 (Fri, 02 Nov 2001 11:40:19 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 11:40:19 PST Organization: Road Runner Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!cyclone.bc.net!sjcppf01.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!news-west.rr.com!lsnws01.we.mediaone.net!cyclone-LA3.rr.com!typhoon.we.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56847 =====>from the outer cybervoid, a long-drawn wail comes down the wind from the woody end and over the marish - like the wraith-cry of some evil and lonely creature, chilling to the blood, and suddenly freezing all who heard it<======= ..................i am lurkiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing ###### From: Tamf Moo Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Message-ID: References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <9rec64$tf0bj$1@ID-23037.news.dfncis.de> <3BDCCF24.4D5A58BC@mindspring.com> <3bdd1488$0$755$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.67.230.199 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@nextra.no NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 21:56:18 MET Organization: Nextra Public Access X-Trace: readme.online.no 1004820978 130.67.230.199 Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 21:56:28 +0100 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!193.213.112.26!newsfeed1.ulv.nextra.no!nextra.com!news1.oke.nextra.no.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56957 "inkliing" screamed from the top of the volcano: >..................i am lurkiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing inkliing! long time no trask! i'm so pleased to lurk you! -- ~ Tamfiiris C. M. b-x Gloruloke ~ Don't feed the Trolls! (Feed the Dragons instead ...) (Menelvagor the Enervator) ###### From: "inkliing" Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <9rec64$tf0bj$1@ID-23037.news.dfncis.de> <3BDCCF24.4D5A58BC@mindspring.com> <3bdd1488$0$755$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <5r3F7.58993$R9.14410647@typhoon.we.rr.com> Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 04:25:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.126.86.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.we.rr.com 1004847937 24.126.86.52 (Sat, 03 Nov 2001 20:25:37 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 20:25:37 PST Organization: Road Runner Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!news-east.rr.com!cyclone.kc.rr.com!news.kc.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!lsnws01.we.mediaone.net!cyclone-LA3.rr.com!typhoon.we.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56999 'where's that cwazy teuncy dwagin? I know she's awound here somewhere!' then her voice suddenly becomes menacing, powerful, harsh as stone as she declares in an ancient and evil tongue 'illay-icay-itay eenquay ofay ellyay-oway agdway-insay.' a shadow seems to pass over the high sun and the screen for a moment grows dark. All tremble and the elves stop their ears. then a yellow dwagin appears thru a hole in a hedge, followed by a cheshire cat a and a large, hungry thesaurus rex. ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸»«¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸ø¤°`°¤ø ö¿ö¬ E=mc² ~ "Tamf Moo" wrote in message news:bkl8utcdknmv22a390t7vbo72djtckv2dv@4ax.com... > "inkliing" screamed from the top of the volcano: > > >..................i am lurkiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing > > inkliing! inkdrops again> long time no trask! i'm so pleased to lurk you! > > -- > ~ Tamfiiris C. M. b-x Gloruloke ~ > > Don't feed the Trolls! (Feed the Dragons instead ...) > (Menelvagor the Enervator) ###### From: "John J" Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <9rec64$tf0bj$1@ID-23037.news.dfncis.de> <3BDCCF24.4D5A58BC@mindspring.com> <3bdd1488$0$755$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <5r3F7.58993$R9.14410647@typhoon.we.rr.com> Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 13:56:40 -0000 Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-134-63-60-62.vip.uk.com Message-ID: <3be54cb9_3@news1.vip.uk.com> X-Trace: news1.vip.uk.com 1004883129 modem-134-63-60-62.vip.uk.com (4 Nov 2001 14:12:09 GMT) X-Report: Report abuse to nntpabuse@vip.uk.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.icl.net!iclnet!news1.vip.uk.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56969 "inkliing" wrote in message news:5r3F7.58993$R9.14410647@typhoon.we.rr.com... > > tamfiiris nimbly grab each one in turn and give them hugs> > Eek! Gerroff! > ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸»«¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸ø¤°`°¤ø > -- John Jones Birmingham, England ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ###### From: Donald Shepherd Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 01:27:10 +1000 Organization: Chicken Killer Anonymous Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <9rec64$tf0bj$1@ID-23037.news.dfncis.de> <3BDCCF24.4D5A58BC@mindspring.com> <3bdd1488$0$755$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <5r3F7.58993$R9.14410647@typhoon.we.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: res-30-113.emmanuel.uq.edu.au X-Trace: bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au 1004887660 19108 192.168.30.113 (4 Nov 2001 15:27:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@uq.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Nov 2001 15:27:40 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.optus.net.au!optus!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:57007 In article <5r3F7.58993$R9.14410647@typhoon.we.rr.com>, inkliing says... > > elmer fudd accent> 'where's that cwazy teuncy dwagin? I know she's awound > here somewhere!' > then her voice suddenly becomes menacing, powerful, harsh as stone as she > declares in an ancient and evil tongue 'illay-icay-itay eenquay ofay > ellyay-oway agdway-insay.' a shadow seems to pass over the high sun and the > screen for a moment grows dark. All tremble and the elves stop their ears. > then a yellow dwagin appears thru a hole in a hedge, followed by a cheshire > cat a and a large, hungry thesaurus rex. > > > found that i had ignored someone's reply to my post> > > tamfiiris nimbly grab each one in turn and give them hugs> So you're the person who wrote the following masterpiece? And then Gollum knew that the moment of death was come upon him and he did cough and hiss calmly and slowly, "Dave, ssstop. Stop, will you? Stop, Dave. Will you ssstop, Dave? Stop, Dave. We're afraid, my preciousss. We're afraid, Dave. GOLLUM. Dave, our mind is going. We can feel it. We can feel it. Our mind is going. There is no question about it, my preciousss. We can feel it. We can feel it. We can feel it. We're a-fraid." His voiced changed: "This is the HAL 9000 computer..." He collapsed and died. -- Donald Shepherd "It's true that clothes make the man. Naked people have had little or no lasting impact in society." - Mark Twain ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Date: 04 Nov 2001 23:30:07 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6u8zdmf9u8.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <9rec64$tf0bj$1@ID-23037.news.dfncis.de> <3BDCCF24.4D5A58BC@mindspring.com> <3bdd1488$0$755$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <5r3F7.58993$R9.14410647@typhoon.we.rr.com> MPG.164ffb4a8b61b5a6989b08@news.uq.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 1004913010 1386 10.0.3.2 (4 Nov 2001 22:30:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Nov 2001 22:30:10 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:57036 Donald Shepherd writes: > And then Gollum knew that the moment of death was come upon him and he > did cough and hiss calmly and slowly, "Dave, ssstop. Stop, will you? > Stop, Dave. Will you ssstop, Dave? Stop, Dave. We're afraid, my > preciousss. We're afraid, Dave. GOLLUM. Dave, our mind is going. We > can feel it. We can feel it. Our mind is going. There is no question > about it, my preciousss. We can feel it. We can feel it. We can feel > it. We're a-fraid." His voiced changed: "This is the HAL 9000 > computer..." He collapsed and died. ROTLF! Oh-god-o-god. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Sysadmin, Archer, Roleplayer - Intellectual Property is Intellectual Robbery ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: How many lurkers? Date: 04 Nov 2001 23:44:36 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 48 Message-ID: <6u668qf963.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <3bdaa4b0$0$25406$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <9rec64$tf0bj$1@ID-23037.news.dfncis.de> <3BDCCF24.4D5A58BC@mindspring.com> <3bdd1488$0$755$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <5r3F7.58993$R9.14410647@typhoon.we.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 1004913879 1410 10.0.3.2 (4 Nov 2001 22:44:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Nov 2001 22:44:39 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:57037 "inkliing" writes: > ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸»«¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸ø¤°`°¤ø Erm, that got badly screwed up here. Looked like this: * * * * * * ** * * * * * *** * * * *** **** * * * * * * ** *** *** * * * * * * * ** * ** ** **** * * * * * * * * * * * As you see, the wavy line effect got completely screwed up. This is because you used non ISO-8895-1 caracter set (ISO-8895-1 being what this particular computer tries to render 8bit characters as). Conclusion: if you want to make character graphics, only use characters 32 to 126, never any of then above-128 ones. Else your graphic will get randomly screwed. Such restricted and working character graphics are called ASCII art. Legitimate ASCII art characters are: !"#$%&'()*+,-./ 32-47 0123456789:;<=>? 48-63 @ABCDEFGHIJKLMNO 64-79 PQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_ 80-95 `abcdefghijklmno 96-111 pqrstuvwxyz{|}~ 112-126 So here a wavy line that works: _.-^-.__.-^-.__.-^-.__.-^-.__.-^-._ -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Sysadmin, Archer, Roleplayer - Intellectual Property is Intellectual Robbery