From: "test" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Durin VII the Last? Appendix question Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:23:24 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 16 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!195.25.12.36!oleane.net!oleane!freenix!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:53579 in appendix A, page 361, it has Durin VII listed as "last" after an odd break in the line below Thorin III. seems kind of strange that tolkien would do this: an ending to the Durin line. that odd break could mean hundreds of years into the future i guess but it doesn't seem to fit. did tolkien ever add any more details on this? dpsmith44@hotmail.com ###### From: "Aris Katsaris" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Durin VII the Last? Appendix question Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 22:41:02 +0300 Organization: An OTEnet S.A. customer Lines: 28 Message-ID: <9pah27$jrt$1@usenet.otenet.gr> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: athe530-u133.otenet.gr X-Trace: usenet.otenet.gr 1001965447 20349 62.103.251.133 (1 Oct 2001 19:44:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@otenet.gr NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 19:44:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.r-kom.de!newsfeed.germany.net!newsfeed.icl.net!skynet.be!skynet.be!Amsterdam.Infonet!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.otenet.gr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:53554 test wrote in message news:trhd36is4bldab@corp.supernews.com... > in appendix A, page 361, it has Durin VII listed as "last" after an odd > break in the line below Thorin III. > seems kind of strange that tolkien would do this: an ending to the Durin > line. Why? Unless you believe there's still the occasional Durin around somewhere you have to assume that there'd one day be a Durin which would be the last... And the Fourth Age was the Age of Men - all other speaking races were doomed to fade away... > that odd break could mean hundreds of years into the future i guess but it > doesn't seem to fit. > > did tolkien ever add any more details on this? "And the line of Dain prospered, and the wealth and renown of the kingship was renewed, until there arose again for the last time an heir of that House that bore the name of Durin, and he returned to Moria; and there was light again in deep places, and the ringing of hammers and the harping of harps, until the world grew old and the Dwarves failed and the days of Durin's race were ended." Aris Katsaris ###### From: "test" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Durin VII the Last? Appendix question Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:02:45 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <9pah27$jrt$1@usenet.otenet.gr> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 22 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:53667 wow, i got chills and felt sad at the same time just reading that. what book is that from? dpsmith44@hotmail.com > "And the line of Dain prospered, and the wealth and renown of the kingship > was renewed, until there arose again for the last time an heir of that House > that bore the name of Durin, and he returned to Moria; and there was light > again in deep places, and the ringing of hammers and the harping of harps, > until the world grew old and the Dwarves failed and the days of Durin's race > were ended." > > Aris Katsaris > > > ###### From: "Douglas Eckhart" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Durin VII the Last? Appendix question Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:24:24 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 32 Message-ID: <9pcpla$pc0$1@plutonium.btinternet.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-123-147.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:53678 I think its just that because it is now the dominion of men and the 'decline of all other speaking peoples' of Middle-earth, the Dwarves are slowly dying out. So this last Durin (Dwarves live for about 250-350 years approx) is likely to be the last great Dwarven king. Sad I know, but one of the major themes of Tlotr is of things passing away, the old making way for the new. Partly what makes the book so great I suppose! Regards Douglas "test" wrote in message news:trhd36is4bldab@corp.supernews.com... > in appendix A, page 361, it has Durin VII listed as "last" after an odd > break in the line below Thorin III. > seems kind of strange that tolkien would do this: an ending to the Durin > line. > that odd break could mean hundreds of years into the future i guess but it > doesn't seem to fit. > > did tolkien ever add any more details on this? > > dpsmith44@hotmail.com > > > > > > ###### From: "Aris Katsaris" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Durin VII the Last? Appendix question Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:03:19 +0300 Organization: An OTEnet S.A. customer Lines: 14 Message-ID: <9pcs6i$457$1@usenet.otenet.gr> References: <9pah27$jrt$1@usenet.otenet.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: athe530-o115.otenet.gr X-Trace: usenet.otenet.gr 1002042386 4263 212.205.252.115 (2 Oct 2001 17:06:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@otenet.gr NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:06:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.csl-gmbh.net!skynet.be!skynet.be!Amsterdam.Infonet!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.otenet.gr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:53626 test wrote in message news:trjhitrp3t5ta2@corp.supernews.com... > wow, > i got chills and felt sad at the same time just reading that. > what book is that from? HOME 12: "The Peoples of Middle Earth" The Making of Appendix A Aris Katsaris ###### From: "Igor Lukačević" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Durin VII the Last? Appendix question Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 22:56:57 +0200 Organization: HThinet Lines: 24 Message-ID: <9piin1$3jfe$4@as201.hinet.hr> References: <9pah27$jrt$1@usenet.otenet.gr> <9pcs6i$457$1@usenet.otenet.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: a90-m28.net.hinet.hr X-Trace: as201.hinet.hr 1002229282 118254 195.29.142.28 (4 Oct 2001 21:01:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@hinet.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:01:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.r-kom.de!newsfeed.germany.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news-hub.siol.net!news1.hinet.hr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:53779 "Aris Katsaris" wrote in message news:9pcs6i$457$1@usenet.otenet.gr... > > test wrote in message news:trjhitrp3t5ta2@corp.supernews.com... > > wow, > > i got chills and felt sad at the same time just reading that. > > what book is that from? > > HOME 12: "The Peoples of Middle Earth" > The Making of Appendix A > > Aris Katsaris > And it was a prophecy after all (at least I think). It was said that when Durin arises again, he will take his crown from Zirak-Zigil. The Circles of Time were coming to their end, and all the dwarves were to help Aule in repairing Arda after the Last Battle. Hithring-nu-Elengal ###### From: "Aris Katsaris" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Durin VII the Last? Appendix question Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 13:07:31 +0300 Organization: An OTEnet S.A. customer Lines: 34 Message-ID: <9pk0uv$84r$1@usenet.otenet.gr> References: <9pah27$jrt$1@usenet.otenet.gr> <9pcs6i$457$1@usenet.otenet.gr> <9piin1$3jfe$4@as201.hinet.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: athe530-u002.otenet.gr X-Trace: usenet.otenet.gr 1002276640 8347 62.103.251.2 (5 Oct 2001 10:10:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@otenet.gr NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 10:10:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!195.238.2.15!skynet.be!skynet.be!Amsterdam.Infonet!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.otenet.gr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:53788 Igor Lukačević wrote in message news:9piin1$3jfe$4@as201.hinet.hr... > > "Aris Katsaris" wrote in message > news:9pcs6i$457$1@usenet.otenet.gr... > > > > test wrote in message news:trjhitrp3t5ta2@corp.supernews.com... > > > wow, > > > i got chills and felt sad at the same time just reading that. > > > what book is that from? > > > > HOME 12: "The Peoples of Middle Earth" > > The Making of Appendix A > > > > Aris Katsaris > > > And it was a prophecy after all (at least I think). No, that's wrong. > It was said that when Durin > arises again, he will take his crown from Zirak-Zigil. The Circles of Time > were > coming to their end, and all the dwarves were to help Aule in repairing Arda > after the Last Battle. Methinks you are confusing two completely separate prophecies. Aris Katsaris ###### From: "Igor Lukačević" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Durin VII the Last? Appendix question Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 23:42:13 +0200 Organization: HThinet Lines: 40 Message-ID: <9pqilm$en4g$2@as201.hinet.hr> References: <9pah27$jrt$1@usenet.otenet.gr> <9pcs6i$457$1@usenet.otenet.gr> <9piin1$3jfe$4@as201.hinet.hr> <9pk0uv$84r$1@usenet.otenet.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: a90-m12.net.hinet.hr X-Trace: as201.hinet.hr 1002491383 482448 195.29.142.12 (7 Oct 2001 21:49:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@hinet.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 21:49:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.icl.net!netnews.com!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!news1.hinet.hr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:54036 "Aris Katsaris" wrote in message news:9pk0uv$84r$1@usenet.otenet.gr... > > Igor Lukačević wrote in message > news:9piin1$3jfe$4@as201.hinet.hr... > > > > "Aris Katsaris" wrote in message > > news:9pcs6i$457$1@usenet.otenet.gr... > > > > > > test wrote in message > news:trjhitrp3t5ta2@corp.supernews.com... > > > > wow, > > > > i got chills and felt sad at the same time just reading that. > > > > what book is that from? > > > > > > HOME 12: "The Peoples of Middle Earth" > > > The Making of Appendix A > > > > > > Aris Katsaris > > > > > And it was a prophecy after all (at least I think). > > No, that's wrong. > > > It was said that when Durin > > arises again, he will take his crown from Zirak-Zigil. The Circles of Time > > were > > coming to their end, and all the dwarves were to help Aule in repairing > Arda > > after the Last Battle. > > Methinks you are confusing two completely separate prophecies. > What is the other one? Hithring-nu-Elengal ###### From: "Aris Katsaris" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Durin VII the Last? Appendix question Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 01:59:52 +0300 Organization: An OTEnet S.A. customer Lines: 31 Message-ID: <9pqmv6$ssm$1@usenet.otenet.gr> References: <9pah27$jrt$1@usenet.otenet.gr> <9pcs6i$457$1@usenet.otenet.gr> <9piin1$3jfe$4@as201.hinet.hr> <9pk0uv$84r$1@usenet.otenet.gr> <9pqilm$en4g$2@as201.hinet.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: athe530-o084.otenet.gr X-Trace: usenet.otenet.gr 1002495783 29590 212.205.252.84 (7 Oct 2001 23:03:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@otenet.gr NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 23:03:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!skynet.be!skynet.be!Amsterdam.Infonet!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.otenet.gr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:54050 Igor Lukačević wrote in message news:9pqilm$en4g$2@as201.hinet.hr... > > "Aris Katsaris" wrote in message > news:9pk0uv$84r$1@usenet.otenet.gr... > > > > Igor Lukačević wrote in message > > news:9piin1$3jfe$4@as201.hinet.hr... > > > It was said that when Durin > > > arises again, he will take his crown from Zirak-Zigil. The Circles of > Time > > > were > > > coming to their end, and all the dwarves were to help Aule in repairing > > Arda > > > after the Last Battle. > > > > Methinks you are confusing two completely separate prophecies. > > > What is the other one? You are confusing the prophecy about the coming of Durin 7th and his crown, with the prophecy about the dwarves repairing Arda after the Last Battle. Completely separate prophecies. Aris Katsaris ###### From: "Igor Lukačević" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Durin VII the Last? Appendix question Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 00:28:16 +0200 Organization: HThinet Lines: 5 Message-ID: <9pvtvv$6gcj$3@as201.hinet.hr> References: <9pah27$jrt$1@usenet.otenet.gr> <9pcs6i$457$1@usenet.otenet.gr> <9piin1$3jfe$4@as201.hinet.hr> <9pk0uv$84r$1@usenet.otenet.gr> <9pqilm$en4g$2@as201.hinet.hr> <9pqmv6$ssm$1@usenet.otenet.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: a90-m6.net.hinet.hr X-Trace: as201.hinet.hr 1002666816 213395 195.29.142.6 (9 Oct 2001 22:33:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@hinet.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:33:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-hub.siol.net!news1.hinet.hr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:54248 Hmmm, yes, you're right. Hithring-nu-Elengal ###### Message-ID: <3BE4D5C7.958E5013@sk.sympatico.ca> From: Ell Jay Organization: Completely Un-organized X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en]C-SYMPA (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Durin VII the Last? Appendix question References: <9pah27$jrt$1@usenet.otenet.gr> <9pcs6i$457$1@usenet.otenet.gr> <9piin1$3jfe$4@as201.hinet.hr> <9pk0uv$84r$1@usenet.otenet.gr> <9pqilm$en4g$2@as201.hinet.hr> <9pqmv6$ssm$1@usenet.otenet.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 05:42:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.165.33.99 X-Trace: tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca 1004852547 142.165.33.99 (Sat, 03 Nov 2001 23:42:27 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 23:42:27 CST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!cyclone.bc.net!clarke.sasknet.sk.ca!tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:56970 Aris Katsaris wrote: > You are confusing the prophecy about the coming of Durin 7th and his > crown, with the prophecy about the dwarves repairing Arda after the Last > Battle. > > Completely separate prophecies. Enh.