From: TIMMY-O-TOOL@webtv.net Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: music Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 23:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 3 Message-ID: <14620-3BA81297-267@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAr+wQkFNlijffYPZactO3KfI9GvQCFHoWiQZEaFL8GrJv225YZfu6YGkP Content-Disposition: Inline Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:52257 I'm just curious if anyone in here listens to music while reading Tolkien, and if so what kind? ###### From: Donald Shepherd Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: music Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:21:31 +1000 Organization: Chicken Killer Anonymous Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <14620-3BA81297-267@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: res-30-113.emmanuel.uq.edu.au X-Trace: bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au 1000884102 24313 192.168.30.113 (19 Sep 2001 07:21:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@uq.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Sep 2001 07:21:42 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.dplanet.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!195.238.2.15!skynet.be!skynet.be!newsfeed01.tsnz.net!news.xtra.co.nz!news.mel.connect.com.au!newsroom.trumpet.com.au!news1.optus.net.au!optus!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:52314 In article <14620-3BA81297-267@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, TIMMY-O-TOOL@webtv.net says... > I'm just curious if anyone in here listens to music while reading > Tolkien, and if so what kind? Whatever's on the radio at the time, usually rock of some form. -- Donald Shepherd Classic Opening Lines from the Lyttle Lytton Contest: "Six o'clock comes early, and so does death." ###### From: "Vulpecula Mordax" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: music Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 19:20:24 +0200 Organization: Planet Internet NV Lines: 9 Message-ID: <9oak1d$nv5$1@news.planetinternet.be> References: <14620-3BA81297-267@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: u212-239-166-211.adsl.pi.be X-Trace: news.planetinternet.be 1000919917 24549 212.239.166.211 (19 Sep 2001 17:18:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@planetinternet.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Sep 2001 17:18:37 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:17:08 BST (newsr2.u-net.net) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!Amsterdam.Infonet!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!193.174.75.178!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!do.de.uu.net!newsfeed.esat.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet!newsr2.u-net.net!news-peer-uk.interpacket.net!planetinternet.be!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:52322 schreef in berichtnieuws 14620-3BA81297-267@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net... | I'm just curious if anyone in here listens to music while reading | Tolkien, and if so what kind? Nirvana, about a girl. ###### From: skylar@utumno.attglobal.net (Skylar Thompson) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: music Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 21:28:31 GMT Organization: UTUMNO Lines: 16 Sender: skylar@utumno.attglobal.net Message-ID: References: <14620-3BA81297-267@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: skylar@attglobal.net User-Agent: slrn/0.9.6.4 (Linux) NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.182.153 X-Trace: 19 Sep 2001 23:06:40 GMT, 32.100.182.153 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prserv.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!Amsterdam.Infonet!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsrouter.chello.at!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.us.prserv.net!prserv.net!news3.prserv.net!rhino_house.attglobal.net!skylar Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:52432 On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 23:35:51 -0400 (EDT), TIMMY-O-TOOL@webtv.net wrote: >I'm just curious if anyone in here listens to music while reading >Tolkien, and if so what kind? Yes. Whatever's on the local Classical Music Network is preferable, but I have a whole collection of classical music of my own. Beethoven (his symphonies, and piano and violin concerti are my favourite), Shostakovich, Prokofiev, Khatchiturian, and Sarasate are among my the composers to whose music I listen most often whilst reading Tolkien. -- -- Skylar Thompson (skylar@attglobal.net) P(4.2.2) + "Skylar DXLIX" DMPo L:36 DL:2500' A++ R+++ Sp w:Stormbringer A(JLE)*/P*/Z/J64/Ad L/O H+ D+ c f-/f PV+ s TT- d++/d+ P++ M/M+ C- S++ I+/I++ So B+ ac GHB++ SQ++ RQ+ V+ F:JLE F: Possessors strong again ###### From: jkemp@capella.org (TheHappyHippo) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: music Message-ID: <3ba95830.1464435@news.videotron.net> References: <14620-3BA81297-267@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 23 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 02:51:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.201.35.76 X-Complaints-To: abuse@videotron.ca X-Trace: weber.videotron.net 1000953914 24.201.35.76 (Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:45:14 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:45:14 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!Amsterdam.Infonet!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!skynet.be!news.stealth.net!wesley.videotron.net!weber.videotron.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:52380 I'd say some Darkwave stuff... Acts like Dargaard, Die Verbantenn Kinder Evas, Ulver, Ice Ages, Pazuzu... and even some Tolkien inspired black metal stuff like Summoning. :) But darkwave is clearly my best choice for reading...it's slow..calm...and sorrowful. The kind of "gothic" feeling these bands express fits just too well with the feeling I get reading LOTR... I suppose a lot of people wouldn't agree...but hey...so what ? I do enjoy it ! :) Have a nice day. TheHappyHippo On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 23:35:51 -0400 (EDT), TIMMY-O-TOOL@webtv.net wrote: >I'm just curious if anyone in here listens to music while reading >Tolkien, and if so what kind? > ###### From: "Chris & Kelly Otto" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <14620-3BA81297-267@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: music Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 03:03:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.31.131.15 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.kc.rr.com 1000954998 65.31.131.15 (Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:03:18 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:03:18 CDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!news-east.rr.com!cyclone.kc.rr.com!news.kc.rr.com!cyclone3.kc.rr.com!news3.kc.rr.com!typhoon.kc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:52400 > I'm just curious if anyone in here listens to music while reading > Tolkien, and if so what kind? Well if I could do both -- I can't multitask like I could 20 years ago -- I suppose it would be something like John Renbourn's "Traveler's Prayer" which is one of my current favorites. Early Music-influenced folkie stuff, very inventive arrangements of traditional & original tunes for (mostly) solo guitar with a couple of vocal arrangements thrown in. His stuff is equally as good as some Early Music that's still being performed 500 years later. You know, the thing about the upcoming movie that I'm most frightened of is what they'll do to the music. There's a real danger of falling into the cloying cutesy-poo trap when setting some of Tolkien's poems to music. Whoever does it, it's gotta be a difficult task, trying to come up with the musics of a dozen different cultures, some of them ages-old. ... much less write a background score that evokes experiences as varied as a hobbit's birthday bash and a balrog attack. If the Orcs have music I'm guessing it sounds like Nirvana or other early 90s 'modern rock'... Most difficult to pull off will be Elvish music, which (to me) has to be formal, other-worldly, beautiful like nothing else we've ever heard...something that hearkens back to the song of those Singing Whozitses that created the Universe. In any event I'll probably run screaming from the theater if I hear too many C-major songs with dotted rhythms. Chris O. ...who you've guessed by now didn't read The Silmarillion very closely... ###### From: jkemp@capella.org Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: music Message-ID: <3baa71d0.786508449@news.videotron.net> References: <14620-3BA81297-267@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 54 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 23:13:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.96.250.121 X-Complaints-To: abuse@videotron.ca X-Trace: weber.videotron.net 1001027524 207.96.250.121 (Thu, 20 Sep 2001 19:12:04 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 19:12:04 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!10076322!news.imp.ch!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!wesley.videotron.net!weber.videotron.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:52500 Hi, >You know, the thing about the upcoming movie that I'm most frightened of is >what they'll do to the music. There's a real danger of falling into the >cloying cutesy-poo trap when setting some of Tolkien's poems to music. >Whoever does it, it's gotta be a difficult task, trying to come up with the >musics of a dozen different cultures, some of them ages-old. ... much less >write a background score that evokes experiences as varied as a hobbit's >birthday bash and a balrog attack. I do believe you are right on this one. I mean, there are a dozen of things they can screw up with the movie...but music is just too important in all Tolkiennish litterature. (Damn...the whole universe was conceived in music with the Ainur singing the themes of Eru). In facts, I wonder if there is anyway for Jackson to give to fans what they'll be looking for... > >If the Orcs have music I'm guessing it sounds like Nirvana or other early >90s 'modern rock'... Most difficult to pull off will be Elvish music, which >(to me) has to be formal, other-worldly, beautiful like nothing else we've >ever heard...something that hearkens back to the song of those Singing >Whozitses that created the Universe. In any event I'll probably run >screaming from the theater if I hear too many C-major songs with dotted >rhythms. Hehehe. If Orcs have music, I'd rather say it should sounds like a car crashing in a brick wall again and again...(well...some of you might say thats exactly what Nirvana sounds like but...well... I don't :) ) Orcs are some disorganised, furious and stupid creatures... but we have to remember they were created by Melkor himself...who was singing with the other Ainur at the beginning of Time. Have the orcs learned from their ultimate master ? I suppose so. As for the elves, well I'd say it's next to impossible to figure out exactly what it should sound like. I'll only say I don't agree when you talk about their music as been "formal". I think elves are profondly inspired by nature and by everything that actually lives upon their land. It should reflect in all their artistic designs. Am I wrong ? Regards, TheHappyHippo > >Chris O. >...who you've guessed by now didn't read The Silmarillion very closely... > > ###### From: "Chris & Kelly Otto" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <14620-3BA81297-267@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <3baa71d0.786508449@news.videotron.net> Subject: Re: music Lines: 63 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 03:01:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.31.131.15 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.kc.rr.com 1001041309 65.31.131.15 (Thu, 20 Sep 2001 22:01:49 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 22:01:49 CDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!sjcppf01.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!news-west.rr.com!cyclone.kc.rr.com!news.kc.rr.com!cyclone3.kc.rr.com!news3.kc.rr.com!typhoon.kc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:52507 > Hehehe. If Orcs have music, I'd rather say it should sounds like a > car crashing in a brick wall again and again...(well...some of you > might say thats exactly what Nirvana sounds like but...well... I don't > :) ) Hey, I'm old! ...Orcs are some disorganised, furious and stupid creatures... but > we have to remember they were created by Melkor himself...who was > singing with the other Ainur at the beginning of Time. Have the orcs > learned from their ultimate master ? I suppose so. Making music (good music anyway) takes passion and dedication. Having some brains doesn't hurt, either. (In fact, they're discovering that it works the other way, too -- musical kids are often brainy kids. Except for maybe the trombone section...) Could be that orcs would be too stupid and lazy to do anything beyond pounding out a simple drum beat or tunelessly braying the occasional song. Anything more beautiful or complicated than that would probably just piss 'em off. > As for the elves, well I'd say it's next to impossible to figure out > exactly what it should sound like. I'll only say I don't agree when > you talk about their music as been "formal". I think elves are > profondly inspired by nature and by everything that actually lives > upon their land. It should reflect in all their artistic designs. > > Am I wrong ? That's an interesting point...upon reflection "formal" wasn't the best choice of word, since that usually implies something stuffy, academic, studied, devoid of passion. That wouldn't do at all. I'm curious how anyone else might "hear" the music of all the different cultures in LotR. I might have a better idea after I finish the books this time around, but this is what I imagine. My apologies to any cultures I'm leaving out, and more apologies in advance for babbling: Hobbits -- almost too easy to think of this as reminiscent of celtic music, since it's so popular these days. Their music might be the 'happiest' sounding in any event. Bree -- Polka! (Sorry, it just seems to be the natural accompaniment to the clumsy purple rotoscoped dancers etched indelibly on my brain. Thanks a lot, Mr. Bakshi...) Actually probably not too different from the music of the Shire. Elves -- I'm thinking of an art music, performed at court, lots of vocal ornamentation. Some interesting textural instrumentation to back up singers -- plucked strings maybe, with some nice buzzy droney strings or reeds in the background. An Indian Classical - Flemish Renaissance Polyphony fusion?? The more casual music for traveling might be more pipe-drum-cymbal accompanied multipart vocal, without getting too cutesypoo I hope. Dwarves -- they must have made some wonderful instruments. Maybe lots of gongs, bells, other metal things to pound on. I'm thinkin' Javanese Gamelan. Saruman -- old Judas Priest albums, played backwards, of course. Rohan -- oh, I dunno. Hardanger fiddle tunes?? I'm out of ideas. Anyone else? Anyone? Bueller? ###### From: buhrger@ecn.ab.ca () Subject: Re: music Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <14620-3BA81297-267@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <3baa71d0.786508449@news.videotron.net> Organization: Edmonton Community Network X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2.7] X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.206.7 Message-ID: <3baabe6d@ecn.ab.ca> Lines: 38 Date: 20 Sep 2001 22:13:33 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.206.2 X-Trace: localhost 1001045570 198.161.206.2 (Thu, 20 Sep 2001 22:12:50 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 22:12:50 MDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!199.60.229.5!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!west2.newsfeed.sprint-canada.net!feed1.cg.sfl.net!localhost!ecn.ab.ca!buhrger Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:52519 Chris & Kelly Otto (kotto1@wi.rr.no.spam.com) wrote: : Elves -- I'm thinking of an art music, performed at court, lots of vocal : ornamentation. Some interesting textural instrumentation to back up : singers -- plucked strings maybe, with some nice buzzy droney strings or : reeds in the background. An Indian Classical - Flemish Renaissance Polyphony : fusion?? The more casual music for traveling might be more pipe-drum-cymbal : accompanied multipart vocal, without getting too cutesypoo I hope. i have a hard time not thinking of indian classical music when i read tolkien's descriptions of elvish music - but that says more about me (see website, below) that it does about jrrt or the quendi. still, an austere dhrupad-style singing of "A Elbereth Gilthoniel" in raag darbari or perhaps chandrakauns with nice pakhawaj accompaniment would really do it for me. (ps on this - could someone point me to a translation of that particular verse?) : Dwarves -- they must have made some wonderful instruments. Maybe lots of : gongs, bells, other metal things to pound on. I'm thinkin' Javanese Gamelan. interesting idea - would work for me, 'cept for the descriptions of their instruments in TH. (hey - people were looking for tolkienian anachronisms on a different thread - look at some of the dwarves instruments) : Rohan -- oh, I dunno. Hardanger fiddle tunes?? sure. ents -- i think of didjeridus for some reason.... anyone else? anything else? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Buhr buhrger@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Savour the Irony! buhra@infinity.gmcc.ab.ca http://freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~buhrger ###### From: tbarrie@giantantfarm.dyn.dhs.org (Trevor Barrie) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: music Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 05:29:54 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Giant ants are cool Lines: 8 Message-ID: <9oej8i$9ai$1@giantantfarm.dyn.dhs.org> References: <14620-3BA81297-267@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <3baa71d0.786508449@news.videotron.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: user1-76.gradstudents.utoronto.ca (142.150.176.76) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1001051044 13104473 142.150.176.76 (16 [90758]) X-Orig-Path: unknown!not-for-mail Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!user1-76.gradstudents.utoronto.CA!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:52511 In article <3baa71d0.786508449@news.videotron.net>, wrote: >Hehehe. If Orcs have music, I'd rather say it should sounds like a >car crashing in a brick wall again and again...(well...some of you >might say thats exactly what Nirvana sounds like but...well... I don't >:) ) Orcs are some disorganised, furious and stupid creatures... Stupid? ###### From: Donald Shepherd Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: music Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 17:25:33 +1000 Organization: Chicken Killer Anonymous Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <14620-3BA81297-267@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <3baa71d0.786508449@news.videotron.net> <3baabe6d@ecn.ab.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: res-30-113.emmanuel.uq.edu.au X-Trace: bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au 1001057168 2891 192.168.30.113 (21 Sep 2001 07:26:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@uq.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Sep 2001 07:26:08 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!enews.sgi.com!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:52501 In article <3baabe6d@ecn.ab.ca>, buhrger@ecn.ab.ca says... > ents -- i think of didjeridus for some reason.... Because they are made out of Ents become too tree-like? BTW, didgeridoo. Or "Did Geri doo?" -- Donald Shepherd Classic Opening Lines from the Lyttle Lytton Contest: "In 3010, the potatoes triumphed." ###### From: "Chris & Kelly Otto" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <14620-3BA81297-267@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <3baa71d0.786508449@news.videotron.net> <3baabe6d@ecn.ab.ca> Subject: Re: music Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 01:38:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.31.131.15 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.kc.rr.com 1001122680 65.31.131.15 (Fri, 21 Sep 2001 20:38:00 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 20:38:00 CDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!64.152.100.70!sjcppf01.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!news-west.rr.com!cyclone.kc.rr.com!news.kc.rr.com!cyclone3.kc.rr.com!news3.kc.rr.com!typhoon.kc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:52632 > interesting idea - would work for me, 'cept for the descriptions of their > instruments in TH. (hey - people were looking for tolkienian anachronisms > on a different thread - look at some of the dwarves instruments) Sorry, been a couple decades since I read that one. What instruments did they use?? > ents -- i think of didjeridus for some reason.... I was thinking of something like Native American music -- in some traditions, a song lasts for days. Strong connections to the earth... Seems appropriate for ents. (By the way, go see a pow-wow if you get the chance. I thought it was very moving -- seeing a culture that's 20,000 years old or so, and it's still alive...)