Message-ID: <3B9104E7.6E5A61DD@ou.edu> From: Katherine Tredwell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Character Motivation in LOTR (was Re: Gollum's Schizophrenia and Sauron's Narcissistic Personality Disorder (was Re: What Would Gollum Do?) References: <3B87FFCB.64E34276@ou.edu> <3B8C3AA0.40F8604E@ou.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 92 Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 10:55:19 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.15.167.225 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ou.edu X-Trace: news.ou.edu 999359705 129.15.167.225 (Sat, 01 Sep 2001 10:55:05 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 10:55:05 CDT Organization: The University of Oklahoma Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!logbridge.uoregon.edu!leto.ou.edu!news.ou.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:50430 Michael Jacobson wrote: > Katherine Tredwell wrote in message news:<3B8C3AA0.40F8604E@ou.edu>... > > > > > AOD is a highly debilitating illness and only two cases are > > known to have had a positive resolution. In both cases, removal of the > > ROP was a difficult but vital step in treatment. > > > > Katherine "Doctor" Tredwell > > I literally cried with laughter. Thank you so much! > > You MUST repost that message in its own thread so others can benefit. I hate to consume the bandwidth. But I'll repost this item for the benefit of r.a.b.t. readers, with the caveat that anyone who missed my original post on AOD in the "Gollum's Schizophrenia" thread really should go back and read it first. I'm also appending a late-breaking update(!) ********* [In "Saruman the many-colored"] "Christopher M." wrote: > Anyone knows what it means when Saruman the White becomes Saruman the Many > Colored? Does it mean that he's lost his mind and the colors represent his > multiple personalities? No, it is a symptom of Palantiric Dementia [PD]. The "many colors" refer to the elaborate hallucinations experienced by sufferers of PD, superficially resembling the colorful visions of "trippers." Saruman is one of only three documented cases of PD, and the only known case of simultaneous PD and Annular-Related Obsession Disorder [AROD] resulting from his extensive research into power objects. Saruman's "many colors" may also allude to the "many-colored" coat of the Biblical patriarch Joseph, in which case they may symbolize his AROD-related delusions of grandeur in which he becomes a universal father figure, the "Old Man" of Middle Earth. Until recently, Saruman was the senior social worker at our firm and specialized in illnesses resulting from exposure to power objects. While Eriador Psychiatric Consultations does not accept responsibility for Saruman's illnesses or the resulting damages, we acknowledge that they developed during his association with the firm and deeply regret the lack of prompt diagnosis and treatment. Our lawyers are preparing to appeal the recent decisions in the cases of The Shire v. Eriador Psychiatric Consultations, Rohan v. EPC, Fangorn v. EPC, et al., which place the full burden of war reparations on EPC. The court absolved Mordor of all responsibility, citing the precedent set by King Elessar. Our appeal will argue for the prominent role of Mordor in Saruman's misfortunes and suggest that the bulk of payments should be drawn from the estate of Mr. Sauron. ********* On Thursday the court finally handed down decisions concerning the exact amounts EPC is to pay in reparations, and the costs are staggering. The charge for damages to the Shire alone was equivalent to an entire mithril shirt! We offered them a perfect man as an alternative, but the hobbits wouldn't hear of it. They wanted hard currency so they could buy more food and pipeweed. They may be psychologically resilient, but the scale of their collective oral fixation is alarming. Our team of lawyers are preparing a counter-claim on behalf of Saruman's estate, based on the extensive damage done to Isengard during the recent war. Fangorn's assault on Orthanc considerably reduced its property value, to which damage one should add extensive looting by the hobbits following the floods. In addition, Ents are now squatting on Isengard--well, not squatting, exactly, since they can't bend their legs. At any rate, they have either seized or destroyed nearly the whole of Saruman's estate. The gains on their part should be factored into damages awarded. We have also discovered that the government of Gondor has been suppressing certain documents found in Mordor after the recent war. Apparently the late Mr. Sauron had originally intended to vacate Middle-Earth after the unfortunate affair with Morgoth, but he was ordered by the court to remain until he performed 12 billion hours of community service. In the future, revisionist historians may be producing analyses of the responsibility of the legal system for Mr. Sauron's continued presence and the consequent impact on our geopolitical systems. Katherine "Doctor" Tredwell ###### From: Andrew F Donnell Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: Character Motivation in LOTR (was Re: Gollum's Schizophrenia and Sauron's Narcissistic Personality Disorder (was Re: What Would Gollum Do?) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 11:02:16 -0400 Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3B90F878.3E0B5E05@indiana.edu> References: <3B87FFCB.64E34276@ou.edu> <3B8C3AA0.40F8604E@ou.edu> <3B9104E7.6E5A61DD@ou.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-122-175.dial.indiana.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; U) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.indiana.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:50360 Katherine Tredwell wrote: > I hate to consume the bandwidth. But I'll repost this item for the > benefit of r.a.b.t. readers, with the caveat that anyone who missed > my original post on AOD in the "Gollum's Schizophrenia" thread > really should go back and read it first. I'm also appending a > late-breaking update(!) ROTFLSKJLADSJHNARGFJAODGJADSKJFALKDSJFLK.... Sorry, I was laughing so hard I couldn't type. Keep up the good work. Andy. ###### From: brahms@mindspring.com (Stan Brown) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: Character Motivation in LOTR (was Re: Gollum's Schizophrenia and Sauron's Narcissistic Personality Disorder (was Re: What Would Gollum Do?) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 00:35:31 -0400 Organization: Oak Road Systems Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <3B87FFCB.64E34276@ou.edu> <3B8C3AA0.40F8604E@ou.edu> <3B9104E7.6E5A61DD@ou.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.35.6f.4c X-Server-Date: 2 Sep 2001 04:35:44 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!171.64.14.106!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:50540 Katherine Tredwell wrote in rec.arts.books.tolkien: >Michael Jacobson wrote: >> You MUST repost that message in its own thread so others can benefit. > >I hate to consume the bandwidth. And with good reason. It's hard to imagine a good reason ever to repost something, when people could just as easily pull it up from Google. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Cortland County, New York, USA http://oakroadsystems.com Tolkien FAQs: http://home.uchicago.edu/~sbjensen/Tolkien/ Tolkien letters FAQ: http://users.telerama.com/~taliesen/tolkien/lettersfaq.html Encyclopedia of Arda: http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.htm more FAQs: http://oakroadsystems.com/tech/faqget.htm ###### From: Menelvagor@mailandnews.com (Count Menelvagor) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien,alt.fan.tolkien Subject: Re: Character Motivation in LOTR (was Re: Gollum's Schizophrenia and Sauron's Narcissistic Personality Disorder (was Re: What Would Gollum Do?) Date: 2 Sep 2001 18:18:43 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 6 Message-ID: <6bfb27a8.0109021718.466d8713@posting.google.com> References: <3B87FFCB.64E34276@ou.edu> <3B8C3AA0.40F8604E@ou.edu> <3B9104E7.6E5A61DD@ou.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 136.242.228.107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 999479923 24867 127.0.0.1 (3 Sep 2001 01:18:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Sep 2001 01:18:43 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:50687 Katherine Tredwell wrote in message THis is the funniest struff I've seen around here in quite some time ... (apart from Öje' e-t. cahpter, of curse).