Message-ID: <3B227AD6.7BA5C5C8@iinet.net.au> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 03:36:55 +0800 From: Rick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Posting & FAQ's? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: i197-177.nv.iinet.net.au X-Trace: news.iinet.net.au 992115338 32712 203.59.197.177 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!pinatubo.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!bignews.mediaways.net!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!news.iinet.net.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:38935 Dear All, 1. Can any one provide a url for, or post a copy of, the FAQ's for this group? (I don't wish to offend anyone or break the rules). 2. Is it permitted to post an attachment here (PDF file)? I wrote a piece in the mid-late 1980s, which I'm still plugging along at when time allows, that may be of interest to LoR fans ... who (like me) always craved for more. Niggle and Farmer Giles only made the craving worse :-) ... the latter affecting how I approached dragons. The PDF is the first third of a first volume, set around 300 years after the War of the Rings. It is not Tolkien/Tolkien style and I would not even attempt such, but its a story set in a similar world/dimension with a similar but different style ... but still true to the legends of those older than the Celts. If it's a drama don't panic. I won't post it without permission (group). Cheers, Rick. ###### From: Bingo Bracegirdle Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Posting & FAQ's? Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 21:25:29 +0100 Organization: Longbottom loafers Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <3B227AD6.7BA5C5C8@iinet.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-611.ekto.dialup.pol.co.uk (62.137.162.99) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 992118319 6354924 62.137.162.99 (16 [62434]) X-Orig-Path: spamfree.fsnet.co.uk!bingo X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!pinatubo.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!modem-611.ekto.dialup.pol.co.UK!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:38991 In article <3B227AD6.7BA5C5C8@iinet.net.au>, Rick wrote: (some snipped) > If it's a drama don't panic. I won't post it without permission I am *NOT* the person to ask being a relative newcomer here and under something of a cloud at present :-).... But I, for one, would be delighted to read anything that extends the history of Middle-Earth. Do you have a link to where your magnificent octopus can be read? Regards, -- Bingo Bracegirdle ###### From: "Javier Caselli" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <3B227AD6.7BA5C5C8@iinet.net.au> Subject: Re: Posting & FAQ's? Lines: 33 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 23:03:18 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.174.186.164 X-Complaints-To: abuse@eresmas.com X-Trace: news-reader.eresmas.com 992120235 62.174.186.164 (Sat, 09 Jun 2001 22:57:15 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 22:57:15 MET DST Organization: eresMas Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!pinatubo.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!feed.textport.net!nntp1.aeq.teleglobe.net!teleglobe.net!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!garse!news-feeder.eresmas.com!news-reader.eresmas.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:39013 "Rick" escribió en el mensaje news:3B227AD6.7BA5C5C8@iinet.net.au... > Dear All, > > 1. Can any one provide a url for, or post a copy of, the FAQ's for this > group? > (I don't wish to offend anyone or break the rules). Welcome to the group, the FAQs are published every now and then, however, you can read them any time you want at Steuard Jensen's homepage, Steuard is one of the group's most active members, here's the link to his web: http://home.uchicago.edu/~sbjensen/Tolkien/ > 2. Is it permitted to post an attachment here (PDF file)? I'm afraid not, the group's in wich you can send attachments have the word 'binaries' somewhere in the name of the group, therefore this is a "text only" group. I suggest you to publish your piece in a website then send the link. Well, that's all, cheers!! :-) -- "Through darkness one may come to the light" "Yet one will walk under the Sun while one may" Greetings from Javier Caselli(beren_erchamion@eresmas.com) ###### From: brahms@mindspring.com (Stan Brown) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Posting & FAQ's? Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 18:22:28 -0400 Organization: Oak Road Systems Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <3B227AD6.7BA5C5C8@iinet.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.35.6f.91 X-Server-Date: 9 Jun 2001 22:21:39 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!pinatubo.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news.hs-bremen.de!news-ham1.dfn.de!news-han1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:39029 [cc'd to previous poster; please follow up in newsgroup] It seems Rick wrote in rec.arts.books.tolkien: >1. Can any one provide a url for, or post a copy of, the FAQ's for this >group? > (I don't wish to offend anyone or break the rules). It is always a good idea to scan existing articles' subject lines. The FAQ pointer is posted rather frequently (by its author). You'll find another copy of the URL in my sig. You might also want to bookmark the "other FAQs" link: it shows you how to find FAQs for many newsgroups. >2. Is it permitted to post an attachment here (PDF file)? No. No HTML, no PDF, no postscript, no images, nothing but plain text. (All newsgroups have the same rule, except for those with "binaries" in their names.) > The PDF is the first third of a first volume, set around 300 years >after the War of the Rings. > > It is not Tolkien/Tolkien style Then even if it were in plain text it would be off topic. This is not a generic fantasy group. But if you think it will appeal to Tolkien lovers, by all means put it on a Web site and then post a single brief note here giving the URL and inviting e-mailed comment. While technically off topic, such a single article would not be too disruptive in my opinion. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Cortland County, New York, USA http://oakroadsystems.com Tolkien FAQs: http://home.uchicago.edu/~sbjensen/Tolkien/ Tolkien letters FAQ: http://users.telerama.com/~taliesen/tolkien/lettersfaq.html Encyclopedia of Arda: http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.htm more FAQs: http://oakroadsystems.com/tech/faqget.htm ###### Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Posting & FAQ's? References: <3B227AD6.7BA5C5C8@iinet.net.au> X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test70 (17 January 1999) From: sbjensen@midway.uchicago.edu (Steuard Jensen) Lines: 60 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.135.12.7 X-Trace: uchinews 992148208 128.135.12.7 (Sat, 09 Jun 2001 23:43:28 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 23:43:28 CDT Organization: The University of Chicago X-SessionID: QVCU6-71147-I4-41978@uchinews X-Hash-Info: post-filter,v:1.4 X-Hash: db5c8fb9 a5f28358 1f0215b1 d09ba360 5c1ff77f Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 04:43:28 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!pinatubo.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!uchinews!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:38927 Quoth Rick in article <3B227AD6.7BA5C5C8@iinet.net.au>: > 1. Can any one provide a url for, or post a copy of, the FAQ's for this > group? > (I don't wish to offend anyone or break the rules). Fortunately, there aren't _that_ many rules here. :) Reading the FAQs is certainly a good idea, though! The FAQ is scheduled to be posted this coming Tuesday, but it's probably at least as easy to read it on the web, at http://home.uchicago.edu/~sbjensen/Tolkien/ You'll find the Tolkien Newsgroup FAQ there (which details the "rules" here... to the extent that such things are defined, anyway), as well as the older (but still very useful) Tolkien FAQ and LessFAQ by William Loos. Welcome! > 2. Is it permitted to post an attachment here (PDF file)? In general, no. We're generally pretty strict about keeping binary messages out of the Tolkien newsgroups (the non-binaries groups, anyway; someone created an "alt.binaries.tolkien" group a few months ago, but it's not carried by all servers at this point). > I wrote a piece in the mid-late 1980s, which I'm still plugging > along at when time allows, that may be of interest to LoR fans ... [snip] > It is not Tolkien/Tolkien style and I would not even attempt such, but > its a story set in a similar world/dimension with a similar but > different style ... but still true to the legends of those older than > the Celts. I think that at least a fair number of people here would be interested in taking a look at what you've written. I haven't seen it, so I don't know exactly how it would be categorized, but I can quote from the rec.arts.books.tolkien charter: Fan fiction would be permitted, provided that it did not violate anyone's rights or copyrights (especially the rights and copyrights of the Tolkien estate). Posters of fan fiction would be strongly encouraged to put the identifying word "FANFIC" in the "subject" line (to simplify kill-filing). Satire and parody of Tolkien's work would also be permitted. It _sounds_ like you're on some level writing fan fiction, but different enough to protect the rights and copyrights of the Tolkien estate. In that sense, at least, you'd be totally on topic. :) It's just the binary attachment that would be the problem. As others have said, it would probably be best for you to find a place on the web to post your story and then tell us where to look for it (on the other hand, if you ever have any interest in publishing it, I've heard that publishers are hesitant to pick up anything that has been previously "published" online in any public way). You could also post the PDF as an attachment to an appropriate binaries group and tell us where to find it. Anyway, welcome again, and we'll look forward to seeing you in the future! Steuard Jensen ###### From: brahms@mindspring.com (Stan Brown) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Posting & FAQ's? Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 10:16:24 -0400 Organization: Oak Road Systems Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <3B227AD6.7BA5C5C8@iinet.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.35.6f.4d X-Server-Date: 10 Jun 2001 14:15:33 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!pinatubo.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!newsfeed.hanau.net!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!opentransit.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:39038 It seems Steuard Jensen wrote in rec.arts.books.tolkien: >if you ever have any interest in publishing it, I've heard that >publishers are hesitant to pick up anything that has been previously >"published" online in any public way It can work the other way, too. I was contacted by a publisher about turning mu comp.os.msdos.programmer FAQ into a book. (I said no.) The C++ FAQ did actually spawn a printed book. I don't know whether the difference is between fiction and non- fiction or just between different publishers. It _does_ make sense to me that the book would have to be very substantially different from the Web pages, enough to convince the public to buy the book and not just download it. For instance, the Web page might be full text of every third or fourth chapter and just plot outlines of the rest. (I hasten to add that I'm just speculating here: I have no inside information.) -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Cortland County, New York, USA http://oakroadsystems.com Tolkien FAQs: http://home.uchicago.edu/~sbjensen/Tolkien/ Tolkien letters FAQ: http://users.telerama.com/~taliesen/tolkien/lettersfaq.html Encyclopedia of Arda: http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.htm more FAQs: http://oakroadsystems.com/tech/faqget.htm ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Posting & FAQ's? Date: 10 Jun 2001 23:55:02 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 36 Message-ID: <6usnh8m24p.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <3B227AD6.7BA5C5C8@iinet.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 992210102 1246 10.0.3.2 (10 Jun 2001 21:55:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jun 2001 21:55:02 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:39061 brahms@mindspring.com (Stan Brown) writes: > It seems Steuard Jensen wrote in > rec.arts.books.tolkien: > >if you ever have any interest in publishing it, I've heard that > >publishers are hesitant to pick up anything that has been previously > >"published" online in any public way > > It can work the other way, too. I was contacted by a publisher about > turning mu comp.os.msdos.programmer FAQ into a book. (I said no.) > The C++ FAQ did actually spawn a printed book. Also the online Hackers Jargon File got made into a book, The New Hackers Dictionary, by MIT Press. > I don't know whether the difference is between fiction and non- > fiction or just between different publishers. Publisher. Some do, some don't. Some see the web as a good advert that will attract buyers, more than those who use the web to skip buying. Others don't. > It _does_ make sense to me that the book would have to be very > substantially different from the Web pages, enough to convince the > public to buy the book and not just download it. For instance, the The only additon in TNHD is about 10..15 pages of illustrations, made by one of the originators of the online version. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Sysadmin, Archer, Roleplayer - Intellectual Property is Intellectual Robbery ###### From: Skylar Thompson Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Posting & FAQ's? Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 08:42:28 -0500 Organization: UTUMNO Lines: 51 Sender: skylar@utumno.attglobal.net Message-ID: <3B237944.BA454C94@utumno.attglobal.net> References: <3B227AD6.7BA5C5C8@iinet.net.au> Reply-To: skylar@attglobal.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18 i586) X-Accept-Language: en, es NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.101.12.120 X-Trace: 10 Jun 2001 15:56:37 GMT, 32.101.12.120 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prserv.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!pinatubo.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.us.prserv.net!prserv.net!news3.prserv.net!rhino_house.attglobal.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:39167 Steuard Jensen wrote: > > Quoth Rick in article > <3B227AD6.7BA5C5C8@iinet.net.au>: [snip] > > I wrote a piece in the mid-late 1980s, which I'm still plugging > > along at when time allows, that may be of interest to LoR fans ... > [snip] > > It is not Tolkien/Tolkien style and I would not even attempt such, but > > its a story set in a similar world/dimension with a similar but > > different style ... but still true to the legends of those older than > > the Celts. > > I think that at least a fair number of people here would be interested > in taking a look at what you've written. I haven't seen it, so I > don't know exactly how it would be categorized, but I can quote from > the rec.arts.books.tolkien charter: > > Fan fiction would be permitted, provided that it did not violate > anyone's rights or copyrights (especially the rights and copyrights > of the Tolkien estate). Posters of fan fiction would be strongly > encouraged to put the identifying word "FANFIC" in the "subject" > line (to simplify kill-filing). Satire and parody of Tolkien's work > would also be permitted. > > It _sounds_ like you're on some level writing fan fiction, but > different enough to protect the rights and copyrights of the Tolkien > estate. In that sense, at least, you'd be totally on topic. :) It's > just the binary attachment that would be the problem. As others have > said, it would probably be best for you to find a place on the web to > post your story and then tell us where to look for it (on the other > hand, if you ever have any interest in publishing it, I've heard that > publishers are hesitant to pick up anything that has been previously > "published" online in any public way). You could also post the PDF as > an attachment to an appropriate binaries group and tell us where to > find it. What might also work is to collect the e-mail addresses of those who would like to read it, and then just e-mail the story directly to the address. I, for one, would be interested in reading it, so here is mine: skylar@attglobal.net. -- --Skylar Thompson (skylar@attglobal.net) `All that is gold does not glitter/Not all those who wander are lost The old that is strong does not wither/Deep roots are not reached by the frost From the ashes a fire shall be woken/A light from the shadows shall spring Renewed shall be blade that was broken/The crownless again shall be king.'