Lines: 3 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: sharky504@aol.com (Sharky504) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Date: 02 Mar 2001 14:43:49 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: The Languages Message-ID: <20010302094349.02445.00000029@ng-fw1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.tele.dk!209.50.235.254!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.130!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:33153 I was just thinking... You think old J.R.R. found these languages somehwere, or made them up? I think he found'em, and he found something more in those searches...... ###### Message-ID: <3A9FDB0C.5A3771AE@free.fr> From: "Edward J. Kloczko" Reply-To: ejk@free.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: The Languages References: <20010302094349.02445.00000029@ng-fw1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 11 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 17:38:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.228.29.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@proxad.net X-Trace: nnrp5.proxad.net 983554680 213.228.29.225 (Fri, 02 Mar 2001 18:38:00 CET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 18:38:00 CET Organization: Guest of ProXad - France Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.tele.dk!193.251.151.101!opentransit.net!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!212.27.32.7.MISMATCH!feeder1.proxad.net!feeder2.proxad.net!nnrp5.proxad.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:33218 Sharky504 a écrit: > > I was just thinking... You think old J.R.R. found these languages somehwere, or > made them up? I think he found'em, and he found something more in those > searches...... Nice joke! Bravo... :-x EJK ###### From: "Richard" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: RE: The Languages Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 21:31:34 -0000 Organization: BT Tel. Netnews service (readers) Lines: 20 Message-ID: <97p00q$ec7$1@titan.bt.es> References: <20010302094349.02445.00000029@ng-fw1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cable225a206.usuarios.retecal.es Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: titan.bt.es 983565146 14727 212.183.225.206 (2 Mar 2001 20:32:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@bt.es NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Mar 2001 20:32:26 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!kanja.arnes.si!news-hub.siol.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.bt.es!news.bt.es!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:33099 i think more or less like you, it isnīt so easy to invent these languages, he probabily found them from some old languages, like arabian, or egipcian..... and traduce it, althoug you musnīt forget he studie in best britainīs college. and that is a very good reason to think JRRT could be able to make them, but we have to say also, that during second world war he was travelling and fighting in several counties where he could find all these languages he puts in his books.... -- ^^^^^^^^^^^ <<>> <<>> Salu2 [ @ @ ] Richard II ------ -----ooo0------0ooo-------------- ###### From: brahms@mindspring.com (Stan Brown) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: The Languages Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 01:54:26 -0500 Organization: Oak Road Systems Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <20010302094349.02445.00000029@ng-fw1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.35.6f.51 X-Server-Date: 3 Mar 2001 06:54:46 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.dplanet.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.bme.hu!news.tele.dk!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:33226 Quoth Sharky504 in rec.arts.books.tolkien: >I was just thinking... You think old J.R.R. found these languages somehwere, or >made them up? I think he found'em, and he found something more in those >searches...... Of course he found them. Somehow he ran across a copy of the old Red Book of Westmarch and, as a linguist of great skill, deciphered and translated it. He initially made many mistakes, which are documented in /The History of Middle-earth/. But considering that he had no equivalent of the Rosetta Stone, as far as we know, his achievement is without parallel in linguistic history. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Cortland County, New York, USA http://oakroadsystems.com My reply address is correct as is. The courtesy of providing a correct reply address is more important to me than time spent deleting spam. ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: The Languages Date: 04 Mar 2001 00:59:32 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6u4rxae74r.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <20010302094349.02445.00000029@ng-fw1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 983663976 3248 10.0.3.2 (3 Mar 2001 23:59:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Mar 2001 23:59:36 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:33230 brahms@mindspring.com (Stan Brown) writes: > Quoth Sharky504 in rec.arts.books.tolkien: > >I was just thinking... You think old J.R.R. found these languages somehwere,or > >made them up? I think he found'em, and he found something more in those > >searches...... > > Somehow he ran across a copy of the old Red Book of Westmarch and, > as a linguist of great skill, deciphered and translated it. > > He initially made many mistakes, which are documented in /The > History of Middle-earth/. But considering that he had no equivalent > of the Rosetta Stone, as far as we know, his achievement is without > parallel in linguistic history. Well he did have help from Lowdham in making his "Rosetta Stone", as Christopher Tolkien documents in HoME 9 in the Notion Club Papers section. Great text that, BTW. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng FH/BSc, Sysadmin, Roleplayer, LARPer, Mystic ###### From: "Austin Johnson" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <20010302094349.02445.00000029@ng-fw1.aol.com> <6u4rxae74r.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Subject: Re: The Languages Lines: 36 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 18:35:32 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.122.79.239 X-Trace: eagle.america.net 991525191 63.122.79.239 (Sat, 02 Jun 2001 19:39:51 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 19:39:51 EDT Organization: 24hoursupport.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!pinatubo.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!falcon.america.net!eagle.america.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:38057 I'm with Stan. He got help from his old pal, Henry Jones Sr. and they dug up the ruins of Minas Tirith. There just happened to be a copy lying around. I've got it!! The new Indy movie!! INDIANA JONES AND THE SILMARILS OF DOOM! I can see the money rolling in to the homes of George and Steve now. Neil Franklin wrote in message <6u4rxae74r.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch>... >brahms@mindspring.com (Stan Brown) writes: > >> Quoth Sharky504 in rec.arts.books.tolkien: >> >I was just thinking... You think old J.R.R. found these languages somehwere,or >> >made them up? I think he found'em, and he found something more in those >> >searches...... >> >> Somehow he ran across a copy of the old Red Book of Westmarch and, >> as a linguist of great skill, deciphered and translated it. >> >> He initially made many mistakes, which are documented in /The >> History of Middle-earth/. But considering that he had no equivalent >> of the Rosetta Stone, as far as we know, his achievement is without >> parallel in linguistic history. > >Well he did have help from Lowdham in making his "Rosetta Stone", as >Christopher Tolkien documents in HoME 9 in the Notion Club Papers >section. Great text that, BTW. > > >-- >Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ >Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng FH/BSc, Sysadmin, Roleplayer, LARPer, Mystic