From: "BOZO" Sender: "BOZO" Reply-To: "BOZO" Subject: TOLKIEN BOOKS NEADED Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien X-User-Info: 195.26.153.89 195.26.153.89 sub=y NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.26.152.10 Message-ID: <3a74cd5c$1@news.mt.net.mk> Date: 29 Jan 2001 02:54:36 +0100 X-Trace: 29 Jan 2001 02:54:36 +0100, 195.26.152.10 Lines: 3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.mt.net.mk!195.26.152.10 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:31607 does someone have tolkiens books on the harddisk? ###### From: the softrat Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: TOLKIEN BOOKS NEADED Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:51:32 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3a74cd5c$1@news.mt.net.mk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 9 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:31695 On 29 Jan 2001 02:54:36 +0100, "BOZO" wrote: > >does someone have tolkiens books on the harddisk? > Yeah, but I only give them to nerds who know how to spell! ###### Message-ID: <3A754F43.E4F83CF6@free.fr> From: "Edward J. Kloczko" Reply-To: ejk@free.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: TOLKIEN BOOKS NEADED References: <3a74cd5c$1@news.mt.net.mk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 7 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:06:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.228.35.75 X-Complaints-To: abuse@proxad.net X-Trace: nnrp6.proxad.net 980766400 213.228.35.75 (Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:06:40 CET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:06:40 CET Organization: Guest of ProXad - France Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news.tele.dk!193.251.151.101!opentransit.net!proxad.net!feeder2.proxad.net!nnrp6.proxad.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:31719 BOZO a écrit: > > does someone have tolkiens books on the harddisk? No, Bozo. EJK ###### From: smokybarnable@my-deja.com Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: TOLKIEN BOOKS NEADED Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:23:00 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: <953qrg$m6g$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3a74cd5c$1@news.mt.net.mk> <953m6f$ep1qb$1@ID-23037.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.120.155.66 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jan 29 13:23:00 2001 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x68.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.120.155.66 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsmokybarnable Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.tele.dk!24.226.1.12!feed.cgocable.net!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:31626 In article <953m6f$ep1qb$1@ID-23037.news.dfncis.de>, "Andrew Wells" wrote: > BOZO wrote in message <3a74cd5c$1@news.mt.net.mk>... > >does someone have tolkiens books on the harddisk? > > I'm sure someone does. I'm sure many people do. Not legally, though. > > Andrew > -- I'm starting to suspect that all these requests/queries about online LoTR originate from a single spammer. After all we seem to be dealing with 2 or 3 a week these days. I've only been posting for about a year but there just seem to be more and more of these requests every week. Was it always like this? Cheers Smoky Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ###### From: jce@seasip.demon.co.uk (John Elliott) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: TOLKIEN BOOKS NEADED Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:33:11 Message-ID: <980796871.22859.0.nnrp-10.c2de7091@news.demon.co.uk> References: <3a74cd5c$1@news.mt.net.mk> NNTP-Posting-Host: seasip.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: seasip.demon.co.uk:194.222.112.145 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 980796871 nnrp-10:22859 NO-IDENT seasip.demon.co.uk:194.222.112.145 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: skim 0.8.4 Lines: 11 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!seasip.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:31716 "BOZO" wrote: > >does someone have tolkiens books on the harddisk? No. The books are on top of the PC case. The hard disk comes lower down. -- ------------- http://www.seasip.demon.co.uk/index.html -------------------- John Elliott |BLOODNOK: "But why have you got such a long face?" |SEAGOON: "Heavy dentures, Sir!" - The Goon Show :-------------------------------------------------------------------------) ###### From: "Öjevind Lång" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <3a74cd5c$1@news.mt.net.mk> <953m6f$ep1qb$1@ID-23037.news.dfncis.de> <953qrg$m6g$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <953v1e$ffaf6$1@ID-23037.news.dfncis.de> Subject: Re: TOLKIEN BOOKS NEADED Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <_Bld6.1170$pq6.3825@nntpserver.swip.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.37.236 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 980805114 212.151.37.236 (Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:51:54 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:51:54 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 X-Sender: s-774765@d212-151-37-236.swipnet.se Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:51:52 +0100 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.tele.dk!192.71.180.34!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:31693 Jim hath written: [snip] >More interest being generated by the movie hype I guess. That is my belief too. Öjevind ###### Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: TOLKIEN BOOKS NEADED References: <3a74cd5c$1@news.mt.net.mk> <953m6f$ep1qb$1@ID-23037.news.dfncis.de> <953qrg$m6g$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test70 (17 January 1999) From: sbjensen@midway.uchicago.edu (Steuard Jensen) Lines: 40 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.135.12.7 X-Trace: uchinews 980808722 128.135.12.7 (Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:52:02 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:52:02 CST Organization: The University of Chicago Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:52:02 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!uchinews!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:31606 Quoth smokybarnable@my-deja.com in article <953qrg$m6g$1@nnrp1.deja.com>: > > BOZO wrote in message <3a74cd5c$1@news.mt.net.mk>... > > >does someone have tolkiens books on the harddisk? > I've only been posting for about a year but there just seem to be > more and more of these requests every week. Was it always like this? I think that there have always been _occasional_ requests for electronic texts. The recent upswing may be the result of interest in the movies, but it may also have something to do with the rise of the internet as a medium for distribution of free information. A great many people have jumpped on the Napster bandwagon (and on the larger trend of which it is a part). I think that most of these people participate without thinking too deeply about the ethical side of their actions: they like the ability to choose exactly the songs that they want, and they feel that ordinary CDs are overpriced (why hasn't the price dropped significantly while the cost of producing CDs has fallen in the past few years?). If the recording industry were to release music in MP3 format (which is practically free to produce and distribute), without charging the same crazy markup that they do for CDs, then the demand for Napster might never have materialized. Many people seem to have similar feelings toward the publishing industry, but I think that a lot of people have just gotten accustomed to going to the internet and taking anything they want for free. Those who _do_ think about what they're doing seem to view their actions as a coordinated protest against unfair practices by the recording industry (and publishers and whomever else they deprive of legitimate sales). Almost everyone I've heard explain their actions has said that copyright laws are unfair and that they just aren't compatible with the realities of the internet. However, I've yet to see a single person actually claim to have a better idea in mind. _I_ certainly haven't been able to come up with one, though I haven't spent much time with the issue. Without acting according to a _good_ replacement, violating our current intellectual property laws is little more than theft, regardless of the justification. Steuard Jensen ###### Message-ID: <3A76129E.79801998@home.com> From: Gelondil Reply-To: gelondil@startrek.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: TOLKIEN BOOKS NEADED References: <3a74cd5c$1@news.mt.net.mk> <980796871.22859.0.nnrp-10.c2de7091@news.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 01:02:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.20.75.144 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sttls1.wa.home.com 980816526 24.20.75.144 (Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:02:06 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:02:06 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sttls1.wa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:31724 John Elliott wrote: > > "BOZO" wrote: > > > >does someone have tolkiens books on the harddisk? > > No. The books are on top of the PC case. The hard disk comes lower down. > How did you get into my house? ###### From: "Jim" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <3a74cd5c$1@news.mt.net.mk> <953m6f$ep1qb$1@ID-23037.news.dfncis.de> <953qrg$m6g$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <953v1e$ffaf6$1@ID-23037.news.dfncis.de> Subject: Re: TOLKIEN BOOKS NEADED Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:10:00 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.213.153 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news11-gui.server.ntli.net 980795240 62.255.213.153 (Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:07:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:07:20 GMT Organization: ntl Cablemodem News Service Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-han1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!btnet-peer1!btnet-peer0!btnet!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news11-gui.server.ntli.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:31721 Andrew Wells wrote in message news:953v1e$ffaf6$1@ID-23037.news.dfncis.de... > smokybarnable@my-deja.com wrote in message <953qrg$m6g$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... > >I'm starting to suspect that all these requests/queries about online > >LoTR originate from a single spammer. After all we seem to be dealing > >with 2 or 3 a week these days. > > > >I've only been posting for about a year but there just seem to be more > >and more of these requests every week. Was it always like this? > > I've been here for two and a half years. We are getting more of these > questions, but we are also getting a lot more of several reasonably common > questions - best hardback edition, different audio versions, as well as > etexts. More interest being generated by the movie hype I guess. Jim D ###### From: jce@seasip.demon.co.uk (John Elliott) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: TOLKIEN BOOKS NEADED Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:26:00 Message-ID: <980882846.7787.0.nnrp-08.c2de7091@news.demon.co.uk> References: <3a74cd5c$1@news.mt.net.mk> <980796871.22859.0.nnrp-10.c2de7091@news.demon.co.uk> <3A76129E.79801998@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: seasip.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: seasip.demon.co.uk:194.222.112.145 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 980882846 nnrp-08:7787 NO-IDENT seasip.demon.co.uk:194.222.112.145 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: skim 0.8.4 Lines: 11 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-han1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed1.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!seasip.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:31712 Gelondil wrote: >How did you get into my house? I didn't need to. I refuse to confirm or deny my posession of a palantir at this point in time. -- ------------- http://www.seasip.demon.co.uk/index.html -------------------- John Elliott |BLOODNOK: "But why have you got such a long face?" |SEAGOON: "Heavy dentures, Sir!" - The Goon Show :-------------------------------------------------------------------------) ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: TOLKIEN BOOKS NEADED Date: 04 Feb 2001 01:00:08 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 187 Message-ID: <6uzog3jp13.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <3a74cd5c$1@news.mt.net.mk> <953m6f$ep1qb$1@ID-23037.news.dfncis.de> <953qrg$m6g$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 981244808 1857 10.0.3.2 (4 Feb 2001 00:00:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Feb 2001 00:00:08 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:31744 WARNING: this post contains unusual ideas. They may collide violently with preconcieved notions. sbjensen@midway.uchicago.edu (Steuard Jensen) writes: > Quoth smokybarnable@my-deja.com in article > <953qrg$m6g$1@nnrp1.deja.com>: > > > BOZO wrote in message <3a74cd5c$1@news.mt.net.mk>... > > > >does someone have tolkiens books on the harddisk? > > > I've only been posting for about a year but there just seem to be > > more and more of these requests every week. Was it always like this? I have been here about 1.5 years. IMHO they seem to be growing about at the speed of the general net (and particularly the free sharing bit of it) growth. > I think that there have always been _occasional_ requests for > electronic texts. The recent upswing may be the result of interest in > the movies, but it may also have something to do with the rise of the > internet as a medium for distribution of free information. I suspect more the second, by an wide margin. > I think that most of these > people participate without thinking too deeply about the ethical side > of their actions: > but I think that a lot of people have just gotten accustomed to going > to the internet and taking anything they want for free. As someone pointed out a month ago on an other news group: Todays 18 year olds (he used entering some shool grade, I can't remember which) were born 1982. The year CDs were introduced, have never used vinyl records, nor used an typewriter (or even seen one), and have never even heard of an slide rule. And were still children when the Soviet Union and the cold war disappeared. People with such different background to an older generation have an totally different outlook on life. That includes totally different economic views and derived from that, different views of what is economically ethical. > Almost everyone I've heard explain their actions > has said that copyright laws are unfair and that they just aren't > compatible with the realities of the internet. The later is definitely true, the former totally irrelevant. The Internet has freed bits (Information) from being bound to professionally processed atoms (printed page, pressed record/CD). (Re-)production/manufacturing cost has gone down to zero (at least as far as the need for professional production workers is concerned, setting up an web/Napster server is hobby work, done for free). > However, I've yet to > see a single person actually claim to have a better idea in mind. _I_ > certainly haven't been able to come up with one, though I haven't > spent much time with the issue. May I suggest a few? - authoring as hobby Tolkien (JRRT, not CJT) did this. He lived from his income as an professor and wrote for the fun of it. See all them never published Silmarillion versions (and not expected to publish, it says so somewhere in HoME III to V). I use this model (paid by the university I work for, write Usenet posts and develop programs for hobby). So do you, when writing your Usenet posts or FAQ web page. Linux Torvalds (author of Linux) does this with an chip firm paying him, Linux is his hobby. Yes, this makes authoring an luxury item, but we live in an luxury society, just look at them millions of hours waisted daily on TV. And this does mean the end of "one book every month" commercial authors. So who cares for their cheaply made identi-trash? - authoring for own good Quite a bit of software and tech writing is developed/improved for own use and simply shared because it costs (next to) nothing and may result in others contributing stuff that the original author can use (even if that is only bug reports and extension suggestions). Most of the software that runs the Internet is made this way. Same lots of culture is/was improvised for the moment and then expanded on by others. Most mythology for one. - authoring paid by sponsor Luther wrote his Bible translation this way (some count payed), Beethoven composed this way (German king payed). Today many firms support software authors because they profit from their work. See RedHat and SUSE, both sell Linux CDs (non exclusively) and finance some authors because it helps improve Linux and so grow their market. And yes, you can download their stuff for free, they simply expect to sell CDs because that is a service users want. And of course lots of artists are employed by advertising agencies, make TV spots, make art for display in corporate buildings. Not to mention public art subventions. And lots of scientists live from the same type of public or private funding. - recording as advert Many musicians live and have lived from holding performances (all musicians before records existed!) and from selling fan articles. Have the recordings as adverts, helping to make the musician known and help sell concert tickets. Even Hollywood makes more money on merchandising than on actual cinema tickets. Authors can also perform readings (as I have attended one from Douglas Adams). There are surely even more models I do not know or have forgotten. No size fits everyone, any individual will have to find their model, fitting their situation and resources. Of course some artists will not fit any model and cease to make new works. But what is better for society: afford to buy 5% of 100% of the volume of todays works, or copy freely 100% of 95% of that volume? > Without acting according to a _good_ > replacement, History does not show "not having an good replacement" to be an relevant influence on (stopping) social change. "Wanting to change it" and being able to have allways had more power. The present Internet situation fullfils both of these. Expect the entire notation of intellectual "property" to be dead in 30 years. Doubt that? Take an time machine 30 years back and announce that the Soviet Union will be gone in 30 years and see how many people will believe you. Life can change radically, unexpected. > violating our current intellectual property laws is > little more than theft, Law either says what the majority believes or is wrong. When the majority changes (say by an new generation replacing the old), law has to adopt to their ideas or becomes irrelevant. "Theft", like "property", is an word originally invented to describe concepts of the per-copy production-work-costs world of ordering atoms, a world where production was scarse (limited by work time) and losing its result (by having it taken away = theft) was harmfull. Copying bits takes place in an world of over-abundance where copying costs less time than using the bits, is done by the recipient, and does not lose the original. Both words "theft" and "property" were "borrowed" by lawmakers who believed that authors were scarse and in need of professional payment to get more of them. This trick sort of worked, as long as bits could not live without being bound to professionally (re-)produced atoms. The Internet has broken that constraint. Slavery had millennia of tradition and was killed off by democracy within one century. Dito for monarchy. Intellectual "property" is only centuries old, an mere blip on the radar in comparison. It stands an snowball in Mordors chance of surviving. It will soon be gone. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng FH/BSc, Sysadmin, Roleplayer, LARPer, Mystic ###### From: skylar@starfleet.attglobal.net (Skylar Thompson) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: TOLKIEN BOOKS NEADED Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 13:56:13 GMT Organization: Utumno Lines: 22 Sender: skylar@utumno.attglobal.net Distribution: World Message-ID: References: <3a74cd5c$1@news.mt.net.mk> <953m6f$ep1qb$1@ID-23037.news.dfncis.de> <953qrg$m6g$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <6uzog3jp13.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <95j463$hc46p$1@ID-23037.news.dfncis.de> Reply-To: skylar@attglobal.net (Skylar Thompson) X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.9d - NLS NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.101.12.152 X-Trace: 4 Feb 2001 16:03:59 GMT, 32.101.12.152 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prserv.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.tele.dk!194.213.69.151!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.bredband.com!bredband!uio.no!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!newsfeed2.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news3.prserv.net!rhino_house.attglobal.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:31964 In <95j463$hc46p$1@ID-23037.news.dfncis.de>, "Andrew Wells" writes: >Neil Franklin wrote in message <6uzog3jp13.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch>... > >>- authoring as hobby >> >>Tolkien (JRRT, not CJT) did this. He lived from his income as an >>professor and wrote for the fun of it. See all them never published >>Silmarillion versions (and not expected to publish, it says so >>somewhere in HoME III to V). > >Not true, I'm afraid. The extra income from writing was very important to >Tolkien. Was it critical for him? --Skylar Thompson (skylar@attglobal.net) `All that is gold does not glitter/Not all who wander are lost The old that is strong does not wither/Deep roots are not reached by the frost From the ashes a fire shall be woken/A light from the shadows shall spring Renewed shall be blade that was broken/The crownless again shall be king.'