From: "Legolas" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Hi everyone Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:59:35 +0200 Organization: HiNet Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: a90-p95-zg.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as102.tel.hr 954544274 20486 195.29.245.95 (31 Mar 2000 23:11:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tel.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Mar 2000 23:11:14 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!argos.tel.hr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16498 First I'd like to say hello to all the people here. I've been reading some posts so I decided to join the fun. :))) I see that almost nobody here has a nick but rather his/her name but I didn't feel like messing around with the news reader so I left my nick. BTW where are you people from? That would be it from me for now. -- Legolas Legolas_GL@softhome.net Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul ###### From: erk1030@aol.com (Mithrigil ) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Apr 2000 04:00:30 GMT References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000331230030.07815.00000359@ng-fc1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16464 Hey, Legolas.... >Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, >Ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul Very out of character, if I do say so myself.... Nice to meet you! ###### From: Elrond Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 23:35:52 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 9 Message-ID: <8vuaesgvmkqs9eul8g0ggo4695jjinio5e@4ax.com> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: ce.d8.32.df Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 1 Apr 2000 04:36:17 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16494 On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:59:35 +0200, "Legolas" wrote: >BTW where are you people from? Rivendell. Elrond ###### From: Piotr Auksztulewicz Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: 1 Apr 2000 11:32:48 +0200 Organization: Politechnika Slaska, Gliwice Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8c4fo0$4at$1@zeus.polsl.gliwice.pl> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.polsl.gliwice.pl User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-981225 ("Volcane") (UNIX) (HP-UX/B.10.20 (9000/800)) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.algonet.se!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!algonet!news.man.lodz.pl!newsfeed.silweb.pl!polsl.gliwice.pl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16481 Legolas wrote: > First I'd like to say hello to all the people here. I've been reading some > posts so I decided to join the fun. :))) > I see that almost nobody here has a nick but rather his/her name but I > didn't feel like messing around with the news reader so I left my nick. > BTW where are you people from? All over the Arda, my lad! Malgond o Cefnobel (aka Malgond The Easterling) > Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, > Ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul You seem to be very orcy elf!!! -- Piotr Auksztulewicz piotras@zeus.polsl.gliwice.pl Silesian Tech. Univ. Computer Center, 16 Akademicka St., Gliwice, Poland ###### From: "Alatar" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 10:58:28 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 41 Message-ID: <8c4h9u$eks$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-63.cisapride.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 954583166 15004 62.136.84.191 (1 Apr 2000 09:59:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Apr 2000 09:59:26 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16477 Legolas wrote: >First I'd like to say hello to all the people here. Hello. Welcome. Have a cup of tea. >I've been reading some >posts so I decided to join the fun. :))) >I see that almost nobody here has a nick but rather his/her name but I >didn't feel like messing around with the news reader so I left my nick. Yeah, I've always used my real name here ;-) >BTW where are you people from? Well, I've wander across a lot of Arda, but I've settled in England for now. >That would be it from me for now. I hope to hear more. >-- >Legolas >Legolas_GL@softhome.net > >Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, >Ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul Do your parents know you use that kind of language? -- Alatar Protector of the secret glen of Morangie, where the drink of gold be made. I just got lost in thought, it was unfamiliar territory. Find that Tolkien site in The Cave of Lost Scrolls: http://www.invoke.freeserve.co.uk/alatar/lostscrolls.htm ###### From: "Jonathan White" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 13:29:56 +0100 Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm4-00-89.dial.thm.netdirect-online.co.uk Message-ID: <38e63524@news.netdirect-online.co.uk> X-Trace: 1 Apr 2000 18:43:00 GMT, pm4-00-89.dial.thm.netdirect-online.co.uk Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!bignews.mediaways.net!newsfeed.icl.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!insnet.net!peernews.cix.co.uk!news.madhousenet.co.uk!news-peer.netdirect.net.uk!news.netdirect-online.co.uk!pm4-00-89.dial.thm.netdirect-online.co.uk Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16528 "Legolas" wrote in message news:8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr... > First I'd like to say hello to all the people here. I've been reading some > posts so I decided to join the fun. :))) > I see that almost nobody here has a nick but rather his/her name but I > didn't feel like messing around with the news reader so I left my nick. What do you mean, no nicknames? I just decided that in 20th century England, calling myself Namo might seem a little strange, so I settled on Jon White instead :-) > BTW where are you people from? Well, I've got these great big halls with endless rooms - there's space for thousands there. Thing is, all those elven spirits get a bit tiresome (you can't imagine how many times they argue over Balrog Wings whilst they're waiting for me to release them), so I'm sort of hiding out in England at the moment.... Jon ###### From: "Andrew Wells" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 18:25:59 +0100 Organization: Wellinghall Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8c5bnq$5o46t$1@fu-berlin.de> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: 249.03-03.quay.dial.plus.net.uk (212.159.74.249) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 954610235 6033629 212.159.74.249 (16 [23037]) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!249.03-03.quay.dial.plus.net.UK!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16512 Legolas wrote in message <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr>... >First I'd like to say hello to all the people here. I've been reading some >posts so I decided to join the fun. :))) >I see that almost nobody here has a nick but rather his/her name but I >didn't feel like messing around with the news reader so I left my nick. >BTW where are you people from? >That would be it from me for now. Hello, and welcome to the group. Nicknames are fine by me. I currently live in Rochester, Kent, England. Andrew -- Andrew Wells Replace nospam with my first name to reach me ###### From: Mia Kalogjera Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 01:39:24 -0800 Organization: HiNet Lines: 20 Message-ID: <38E7154C.35D2@theonering.net> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: ar4-p65-ri.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as102.tel.hr 954631928 2089 195.29.237.193 (1 Apr 2000 23:32:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tel.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Apr 2000 23:32:08 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!argos.tel.hr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16511 Hi Legolas, *extends hand* I'm Mia. I used to have a nickname but I dropped it because it started to feel silly, I mean, why should I act somebody else? Anyway, I'm from Rijeka, Croatia, if you know where that little excuse for a country is. :) Nice to have you here, I hope you'll not only survive in here but also be a productive member of our little community. Unlike me. -- "I don't walk on the edge. I walk on the other side." Die Andere Seite at http://www.crosswinds.net/~jereeza TheOneRing.net LotR film site at http://theonering.net e-mail: jereeza(at)yahoo.com or mia(at)theonering.net ###### From: "Öjevind Lång" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> Subject: Re: Hi everyone Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 21:10:40 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.86.48 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 954702604 212.151.86.48 (Sun, 02 Apr 2000 21:10:04 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 21:10:04 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!news-x.support.nl!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16531 Legolas hath written: >First I'd like to say hello to all the people here. I've been reading some >posts so I decided to join the fun. :))) Welcome! :-) >I see that almost nobody here has a nick but rather his/her name but I >didn't feel like messing around with the news reader so I left my nick. >BTW where are you people from? I live in Lund in Sweden. You are from the Netherlands, I presume? Öjevind ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: 02 Apr 2000 23:49:42 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 54 Message-ID: <6uu2hkfa15.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <38e63524@news.netdirect-online.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 954712182 1201 10.0.3.2 (2 Apr 2000 21:49:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 2000 21:49:42 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16541 "Jonathan White" writes: > "Legolas" wrote in message > news:8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr... > > I see that almost nobody here has a nick but rather his/her name but I > > didn't feel like messing around with the news reader so I left my nick. > > What do you mean, no nicknames? I just decided that in 20th century England, > calling myself Namo might seem a little strange, so I settled on Jon White > instead :-) That is the problem with having an one-part name. The humans these days think everyone has two or more. Not having one immediately betrays one for being 1000s of years old. > > BTW where are you people from? > > Well, I've got these great big halls with endless rooms - there's space for > thousands there. Thing is, all those elven spirits get a bit tiresome (you A dislike of mine and Legolas kind? You Valar (see below for that attribution) even invited us over! Remember Cuivienien? > can't imagine how many times they argue over Balrog Wings whilst they're Now I am sure Legolas can answer that one. He saw one in Moria! And while he is at it: What did happen with Gimli and Frodo trying to go to Valinor? Was it a success? And did Frodo come back or not? > waiting for me to release them), Psycho tactic to make you release them faster. :-) I suppose you have just revealed that Namo is also a fake name. Your real one being: Mandos. > so I'm sort of hiding out in England at the > moment.... Seeing what all this Middle Earth stuff is about, that Tulkas reported? Note that it has changed a lot since he came to capture Morgoth. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Nerd, Geek, Hacker, Unix Guru, Sysadmin, Roleplayer, LARPer, Mystic Use a WIMP (Windows Icons Mouse Pulldowns) interface - or get one with a CLUE (Command Line User Environment)? ###### From: "Legolas" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 21:47:41 +0200 Organization: HiNet Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8c8adt$s71$12@as102.tel.hr> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <20000331230030.07815.00000359@ng-fc1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: a90-p51-zg.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as102.tel.hr 954707197 28897 195.29.245.51 (2 Apr 2000 20:26:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tel.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 2000 20:26:37 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!CARNet.hr!argos.tel.hr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16545 Mithrigil wrote in message news:20000331230030.07815.00000359@ng-fc1.aol.com... > >Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, > >Ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul > > Very out of character, if I do say so myself.... Why??? -- Legolas Legolas_GL@softhome.net Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul ###### From: "Legolas" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 21:48:08 +0200 Organization: HiNet Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8c8adt$s71$13@as102.tel.hr> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <8vuaesgvmkqs9eul8g0ggo4695jjinio5e@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: a90-p51-zg.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as102.tel.hr 954707197 28897 195.29.245.51 (2 Apr 2000 20:26:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tel.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 2000 20:26:37 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!bignews.mediaways.net!newscore.univie.ac.at!CARNet.hr!argos.tel.hr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16546 Elrond wrote in message news:8vuaesgvmkqs9eul8g0ggo4695jjinio5e@4ax.com... > >BTW where are you people from? > > Rivendell. :)))) -- Legolas Legolas_GL@softhome.net Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul ###### From: "Legolas" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 21:54:25 +0200 Organization: HiNet Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8c8adu$s71$14@as102.tel.hr> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <8c4h9u$eks$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: a90-p51-zg.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as102.tel.hr 954707198 28897 195.29.245.51 (2 Apr 2000 20:26:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tel.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 2000 20:26:38 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newscore.univie.ac.at!CARNet.hr!argos.tel.hr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16547 Alatar wrote in message news:8c4h9u$eks$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... > >Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, > >Ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul > > > Do your parents know you use that kind of language? :))))))) Nice, but why do everyone connect my sig with my nick? I like the name, but I also like the book in which the sig is mentioned. Let's just say I'm an elf who's good with languages. ;-)))) -- Legolas Legolas_GL@softhome.net Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul ###### From: "Legolas" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 21:55:41 +0200 Organization: HiNet Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8c8adu$s71$15@as102.tel.hr> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <8vuaesgvmkqs9eul8g0ggo4695jjinio5e@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: a90-p51-zg.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as102.tel.hr 954707198 28897 195.29.245.51 (2 Apr 2000 20:26:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tel.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 2000 20:26:38 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!uninett.no!newscore.univie.ac.at!CARNet.hr!argos.tel.hr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16548 Elrond wrote in message news:8vuaesgvmkqs9eul8g0ggo4695jjinio5e@4ax.com... > Rivendell. Nice try. ;-)))) -- Legolas Legolas_GL@softhome.net Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul ###### From: "Legolas" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 21:59:04 +0200 Organization: HiNet Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8c8adv$s71$16@as102.tel.hr> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <8c4fo0$4at$1@zeus.polsl.gliwice.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: a90-p51-zg.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as102.tel.hr 954707199 28897 195.29.245.51 (2 Apr 2000 20:26:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tel.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 2000 20:26:39 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!CARNet.hr!argos.tel.hr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16549 Piotr Auksztulewicz wrote in message news:8c4fo0$4at$1@zeus.polsl.gliwice.pl... > All over the Arda, my lad! OK. I know that. I thought each of you would say for himself, but it seems you're too lazy for that kind things. :))) > Malgond o Cefnobel (aka Malgond The Easterling) > > > Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, > > Ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul > > You seem to be very orcy elf!!! You can read my comment a few posts down (or up). -- Legolas Legolas_GL@softhome.net Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul ###### From: "Legolas" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 21:59:41 +0200 Organization: HiNet Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8c8adv$s71$17@as102.tel.hr> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <38e63524@news.netdirect-online.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: a90-p51-zg.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as102.tel.hr 954707199 28897 195.29.245.51 (2 Apr 2000 20:26:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tel.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 2000 20:26:39 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!bignews.mediaways.net!newscore.univie.ac.at!CARNet.hr!argos.tel.hr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16550 Jonathan White wrote in message news:38e63524@news.netdirect-online.co.uk... > Well, I've got these great big halls with endless rooms - there's space for > thousands there. Thing is, all those elven spirits get a bit tiresome (you > can't imagine how many times they argue over Balrog Wings whilst they're > waiting for me to release them), so I'm sort of hiding out in England at the > moment.... How much is the rent? :-)))) -- Legolas Legolas_GL@softhome.net Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul ###### From: "Legolas" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:01:20 +0200 Organization: HiNet Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8c8ae0$s71$18@as102.tel.hr> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <8c5bnq$5o46t$1@fu-berlin.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: a90-p51-zg.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as102.tel.hr 954707200 28897 195.29.245.51 (2 Apr 2000 20:26:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tel.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 2000 20:26:40 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!CARNet.hr!argos.tel.hr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16629 Andrew Wells wrote in message news:8c5bnq$5o46t$1@fu-berlin.de... > Hello, and welcome to the group. > > Nicknames are fine by me. > > I currently live in Rochester, Kent, England. That's not that far considering some people I know (but still it's sooo far away). -- Legolas Legolas_GL@softhome.net Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul ###### From: "Legolas" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:38:32 +0200 Organization: HiNet Lines: 37 Message-ID: <8c8b4e$a5n$1@as102.tel.hr> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <38E7154C.35D2@theonering.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: a90-p51-zg.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as102.tel.hr 954707918 10423 195.29.245.51 (2 Apr 2000 20:38:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tel.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 2000 20:38:38 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!CARNet.hr!argos.tel.hr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16628 Mia Kalogjera wrote in message news:38E7154C.35D2@theonering.net... > Hi Legolas, > > *extends hand* > > I'm Mia. I used to have a nickname but I dropped it because it > started to feel silly, I mean, why should I act somebody else? > > Anyway, I'm from Rijeka, Croatia, if you know where that little > excuse for a country is. :) Kako ne bi znao!!! Ja sam iz Zagreba. Bas sam mislio pitat jel ima koga iz Hrvatske, al nisam mislio da je to moguce - al eto ko bi reko Jos ne mogu vjerovat. For those not from Croatia, I just told Mia I'm also from Cro. > Nice to have you here, I hope you'll not only survive in here > but also be a productive member of our little community. > Unlike me. Potrudit cu se. I'll try. P.S. Man this two-language writeing is realy killing me. ;)))))) -- Legolas Legolas_GL@softhome.net Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul ###### From: "Legolas" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:40:57 +0200 Organization: HiNet Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8c8b8r$33p$1@as102.tel.hr> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: a90-p51-zg.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as102.tel.hr 954708059 3193 195.29.245.51 (2 Apr 2000 20:40:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tel.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 2000 20:40:59 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!CARNet.hr!argos.tel.hr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16625 Öjevind Lång wrote in message news:gWMF4.6432$w47.14378@nntpserver.swip.net... > I live in Lund in Sweden. You are from the Netherlands, I presume? You presume wrong. Very wrong. I'm from Croatia, like Mia. BTW Mia, ovo cemo na hrvatskom jer nije za javnost. Kolko imas godina? E da, daj reci koji ti je UIN. -- Legolas Legolas_GL@softhome.net Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul ###### From: Tamim Khawaja Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 00:24:06 +0300 Organization: Helsingin Yliopisto Lines: 9 Message-ID: <38E7BA76.AF7BFA9@helsinki.fi> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <38e63524@news.netdirect-online.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: malonne.in.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: oravannahka.helsinki.fi 954710698 4412 128.214.182.231 (2 Apr 2000 21:24:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.helsinki.fi NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 2000 21:24:58 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!bignews.mediaways.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed2.funet.fi!news.helsinki.fi!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16558 Jonathan White wrote: > What do you mean, no nicknames? I just decided that in 20th century England, > calling myself Namo might seem a little strange, so I settled on Jon White > instead :-) 21st century England ###### From: "Raven" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <38e63524@news.netdirect-online.co.uk> <38E7BA76.AF7BFA9@helsinki.fi> Subject: Re: Hi everyone Lines: 13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <56TF4.1681$N74.34682@news.get2net.dk> Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 03:15:56 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.82.200.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@get2.net X-Trace: news.get2net.dk 954727937 195.82.200.57 (Mon, 03 Apr 2000 04:12:17 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 04:12:17 MET DST Organization: get2net Internet Kunde Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.get2net.dk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16580 Tamim Khawaja skrev i en news:38E7BA76.AF7BFA9@helsinki.fi... > > What do you mean, no nicknames? I just decided that in 20th century > > England, calling myself Namo might seem a little strange, so I > > settled on Jon White instead :-) > 21st century England 20th century! You are nine months early. Korppi. ###### From: "Raven" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <38E7154C.35D2@theonering.net> <8c8b4e$a5n$1@as102.tel.hr> Subject: Re: Hi everyone Lines: 12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <66TF4.1682$N74.34682@news.get2net.dk> Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 03:17:29 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.82.200.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@get2.net X-Trace: news.get2net.dk 954727938 195.82.200.57 (Mon, 03 Apr 2000 04:12:18 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 04:12:18 MET DST Organization: get2net Internet Kunde Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.get2net.dk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16582 Legolas skrev i en news:8c8b4e$a5n$1@as102.tel.hr... > Kako ne bi znao!!! Ja sam iz Zagreba. Bas sam mislio pitat jel ima > koga iz Hrvatske, al nisam mislio da je to moguce - al eto ko bi > reko Jos ne mogu vjerovat. > For those not from Croatia, I just told Mia I'm also from Cro. Jamen de e fint. Hygg dokkar. Ska vi se om de kommar flere innlegg på masse merkelie språg? Hæ hæ hæ... Gavran. ###### From: the softrat Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 19:09:19 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8esfes0n1unu79r72ooiglhuicoriui74l@4ax.com> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <38E7154C.35D2@theonering.net> <8c8b4e$a5n$1@as102.tel.hr> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!rQ66!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16623 On Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:38:32 +0200, "Legolas" wrote: >For those not from Croatia, I just told Mia I'm also from Cro. Yeah, and for some unexplained reasomn, I think that you are from Zagreb. Isn't that in Slovenia? (Slvnja, to you!) the softrat mailto:softrat@pobox.com -- "Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes..." -- Capt. James T. Kirk ###### From: Piotr Auksztulewicz Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: 3 Apr 2000 12:21:15 +0200 Organization: Politechnika Slaska, Gliwice Lines: 30 Message-ID: <8c9rar$jf8$1@zeus.polsl.gliwice.pl> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <8c4fo0$4at$1@zeus.polsl.gliwice.pl> <8c8adv$s71$16@as102.tel.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.polsl.gliwice.pl User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-981225 ("Volcane") (UNIX) (HP-UX/B.10.20 (9000/800)) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!colt.net!news0.de.colt.net!bignews.mediaways.net!news.icm.edu.pl!news.man.lodz.pl!newsfeed.silweb.pl!polsl.gliwice.pl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16608 Legolas wrote: > Piotr Auksztulewicz wrote in message > news:8c4fo0$4at$1@zeus.polsl.gliwice.pl... >> All over the Arda, my lad! > OK. I know that. I thought each of you would say for himself, but it seems > you're too lazy for that kind things. > :))) Well, most of us are just tired of saying this all over again... Every now and then a newcomer asks the same question. Therefore some choose to make a Middle-earthish remark instead. As for me, you could extract that kind of information from my sig quite easily... [cut] >> You seem to be very orcy elf!!! > You can read my comment a few posts down (or up). This is rather unusual for someone of (presumably) elven origin to write such horrible thing! I had to stop my eyes not to see it! Malgond o Cefnobel (aka Malgond The Easterling) PS. Greetings from an Easterling to a little more eastern (and good deal more southern) Easterling :-) -- Piotr Auksztulewicz piotras@zeus.polsl.gliwice.pl Silesian Tech. Univ. Computer Center, 16 Akademicka St., Gliwice, Poland ###### From: pbachjson@aol.comnojunk (PaulB) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Apr 2000 17:01:23 GMT References: <38e8c41a@news.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20000403130123.24862.00000478@nso-fn.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16602 In article <38e8c41a@news.ecs.soton.ac.uk>, Robert Brady writes: >Raven wrote: >>> 21st century England >> 20th century! You are nine months early. >glasses> > >It is the 21st century. > > If it's the 21st century then which previous century have you decided only gets 99 years? Oh, yes...I don't think I've posted on this thread before so... Hi Legolas. Welcome aboard. I'm a U.S. Citizen living in the U.S., some may recall from a previous thread that I don't hold to ethnic "nationalities." (ugly, devisive things in my book.) Breathe Peace PB "... the essence of myth [is] that it have no taint of allegory to the maker and yet should suggest incipient allegories to the reader..." C. S. Lewis, having read "The Lay of Leithian" ###### From: Mia Kalogjera Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 10:15:58 -0700 Organization: HiNet Lines: 17 Message-ID: <38E8D1CE.2933@theonering.net> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <38E7154C.35D2@theonering.net> <8c8b4e$a5n$1@as102.tel.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: ar1-p61-ri.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as102.tel.hr 954749318 11633 195.29.236.61 (3 Apr 2000 08:08:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tel.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Apr 2000 08:08:38 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newscore.univie.ac.at!CARNet.hr!argos.tel.hr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16561 Legolas wrote: > > Anyway, I'm from Rijeka, Croatia, if you know where that little > > excuse for a country is. :) > > Kako ne bi znao!!! Ja sam iz Zagreba. Bas sam mislio pitat jel ima koga iz > Hrvatske, al nisam mislio da je to moguce - al eto ko bi reko > Jos ne mogu vjerovat. Hehe! Ima nas jos, inace... samo sto su se decki nesto pokupili na hr.rec.sf pa se ne vide cesto ovdje. Bas mi je drago sto si dosao. :) -- "I don't walk on the edge. I walk on the other side." Die Andere Seite at http://www.crosswinds.net/~jereeza TheOneRing.net LotR film site at http://theonering.net e-mail: jereeza(at)yahoo.com or mia(at)theonering.net ###### From: Robert Brady Subject: Re: Hi everyone Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <38e63524@news.netdirect-online.co.uk> <38E7BA76.AF7BFA9@helsinki.fi> <56TF4.1681$N74.34682@news.get2net.dk> Reply-To: rwb197@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-URL: http://www.aber.mud.org/ X-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990517 ("Psychonaut") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.11 (i686)) NNTP-Posting-Host: cadnam.ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-ID: <38e8c41a@news.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Date: 3 Apr 2000 17:17:30 GMT X-Trace: 3 Apr 2000 17:17:30 GMT, cadnam.ecs.soton.ac.uk Lines: 15 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.vas-net.net!server2.netnews.ja.net!news-spool.soton.ac.uk!news.ecs.soton.ac.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16574 Raven wrote: >> 21st century England > 20th century! You are nine months early. glasses> It is the 21st century. See for why. -- Robert "Any person who knowingly causes a nuclear weapon test explosion or any other nuclear explosion is guilty of an offence and liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for life." -- Nuclear Explosions Act 1998. ###### From: "Andrew Wells" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:08:06 +0100 Organization: Wellinghall Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8cammh$5v3c7$1@fu-berlin.de> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <8c5bnq$5o46t$1@fu-berlin.de> <8c8ae0$s71$18@as102.tel.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.01-02.quay.dial.plus.net.uk (212.159.68.127) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 954785297 6262151 212.159.68.127 (16 [23037]) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!do.de.uu.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!127.01-02.quay.dial.plus.net.UK!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16565 Legolas wrote in message <8c8ae0$s71$18@as102.tel.hr>... >Andrew Wells wrote in message >news:8c5bnq$5o46t$1@fu-berlin.de... >> I currently live in Rochester, Kent, England. > >That's not that far considering some people I know (but still it's sooo far >away). Where do you live? Andrew -- Andrew Wells Replace nospam with my first name to reach me ###### From: Gjuro Pedala Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:20:45 +0200 Organization: ViRTUAL IV Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: a90-p58-zg.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as102.tel.hr 954786064 31023 195.29.245.58 (3 Apr 2000 18:21:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tel.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Apr 2000 18:21:04 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!argos.tel.hr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16609 Legolas [Legolas_GL@softhome.net] scripsit: > First I'd like to say hello to all the people here. I've been reading some > posts so I decided to join the fun. :))) > I see that almost nobody here has a nick but rather his/her name but I > didn't feel like messing around with the news reader so I left my nick. > BTW where are you people from? > That would be it from me for now. Hay man. Wellcum here. I am new to, but I want to be a part of this :) So, greetz to every1 here. -- -=AhRiMaN=- [ http://ahri.cjb.net ] [ http://maghacker.cjb.net ] "I Can See What You See Not" ###### From: "Jonathan White" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <38e63524@news.netdirect-online.co.uk> <6uu2hkfa15.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:04:58 +0100 Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm4-00-184.dial.thm.netdirect-online.co.uk Message-ID: <38e90502@news.netdirect-online.co.uk> X-Trace: 3 Apr 2000 21:54:26 GMT, pm4-00-184.dial.thm.netdirect-online.co.uk Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!bignews.mediaways.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!easynet-melon!easynet.net!news-feed.power.net.uk!peernews.cix.co.uk!news.madhousenet.co.uk!news-peer.netdirect.net.uk!news.netdirect-online.co.uk!pm4-00-184.dial.thm.netdirect-online.co.uk Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16610 "Neil Franklin" wrote in message news:6uu2hkfa15.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch... > I suppose you have just revealed that Namo is also a fake name. Your > real one being: Mandos. Now then, as anyone who has spent any time there knows, Mandos is the name of my house - I just get named after it sometimes. It really annoys me you know - these damn elves never could get my name right.... *grin* Jon ###### From: "Arkady" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <38E7154C.35D2@theonering.net> <8c8b4e$a5n$1@as102.tel.hr> <8esfes0n1unu79r72ooiglhuicoriui74l@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Hi everyone Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:37:34 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.126.147.64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@freeuk.net X-Trace: nnrp3.clara.net 954795056 212.126.147.64 (Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:50:56 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:50:56 BST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp3.clara.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16588 "the softrat" wrote in message news:8esfes0n1unu79r72ooiglhuicoriui74l@4ax.com... > On Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:38:32 +0200, "Legolas" > wrote: > > >For those not from Croatia, I just told Mia I'm also from Cro. > > Yeah, and for some unexplained reasomn, I think that you are from > Zagreb. Isn't that in Slovenia? (Slvnja, to you!) Why would the capital of Croatia be in Slovenia? Arky. ###### From: +SmeagoL+ Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 00:05:08 +0200 Organization: ViRTUAL IV Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <38E7154C.35D2@theonering.net> <8c8b4e$a5n$1@as102.tel.hr> <38E8D1CE.2933@theonering.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.29.217.85 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as102.tel.hr 954799559 10230 195.29.217.85 (3 Apr 2000 22:05:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tel.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Apr 2000 22:05:59 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!argos.tel.hr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16603 Mia Kalogjera [mia@theonering.net] scripsit: > Hehe! Ima nas jos, inace... samo sto su se decki nesto pokupili na > hr.rec.sf pa se ne vide cesto ovdje. Bas mi je drago sto si dosao. :) Nemash beda, ja neznam o chemu prichash :) -- -=AhRiMaN=- [ http://ahri.cjb.net ] [ http://maghacker.cjb.net ] "I Can See What You See Not" ###### From: Mia Kalogjera Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 19:08:30 -0700 Organization: HiNet Lines: 18 Message-ID: <38E94E9E.1283@theonering.net> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <38E7154C.35D2@theonering.net> <8c8b4e$a5n$1@as102.tel.hr> <8esfes0n1unu79r72ooiglhuicoriui74l@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ar4-p25-ri.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as102.tel.hr 954781270 26187 195.29.237.153 (3 Apr 2000 17:01:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tel.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Apr 2000 17:01:10 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newscore.gigabell.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!argos.tel.hr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16560 the softrat wrote: > > On Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:38:32 +0200, "Legolas" > wrote: > > >For those not from Croatia, I just told Mia I'm also from Cro. > > Yeah, and for some unexplained reasomn, I think that you are from > Zagreb. Isn't that in Slovenia? (Slvnja, to you!) Well, there's Slovenia and there's Slavonia, but to my knowledge our capital is in neither. :)) -- "I don't walk on the edge. I walk on the other side." Die Andere Seite at http://www.crosswinds.net/~jereeza TheOneRing.net LotR film site at http://theonering.net e-mail: jereeza(at)yahoo.com or mia(at)theonering.net ###### From: rabbytelf@my-deja.com Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 17:49:27 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8cd9v1$cp4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <8vuaesgvmkqs9eul8g0ggo4695jjinio5e@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.198.28.222 To: westerfi@mc.edu X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Apr 04 17:49:27 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x24.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.198.28.222 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrabbytelf Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!skynet.be!triton.skycache.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16559 In article <8vuaesgvmkqs9eul8g0ggo4695jjinio5e@4ax.com>, Elrond wrote: > On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:59:35 +0200, "Legolas" > wrote: > > >BTW where are you people from? > > Rivendell. > > Elrond I'm from Lothlorien. -- *Rabbyt the Elf-Queen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ###### From: rabbytelf@my-deja.com Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 17:54:46 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8cda8u$d3v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <8c4fo0$4at$1@zeus.polsl.gliwice.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.198.28.222 To: westerfi@mc.edu X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Apr 04 17:54:46 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x24.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.198.28.222 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrabbytelf Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.bme.hu!news.iif.hu!fu-berlin.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16566 > > Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, > > Ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul > > You seem to be very orcy elf!!! My sentiments exactly...it's rather disconcerting! -- *Rabbyt the Elf-Queen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ###### From: rabbytelf@my-deja.com Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 17:57:48 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8cdaej$d73$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <8c4h9u$eks$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> <8c8adu$s71$14@as102.tel.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.198.28.222 To: westerfi@mc.edu X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Apr 04 17:57:48 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x24.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.198.28.222 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrabbytelf Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16643 > Nice, but why do everyone connect my sig with my nick? I like the name, but > I also like the book in which the sig is mentioned. > Let's just say I'm an elf who's good with languages. ;-)))) That's a reasonable statement...Gandalf knew the language, but that didn't make him "orcy". -- *Rabbyt the Elf-Queen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ###### From: rabbytelf@my-deja.com Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 18:02:01 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8cdamd$di8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <8c5bnq$5o46t$1@fu-berlin.de> <8c8ae0$s71$18@as102.tel.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.198.28.222 To: westerfi@mc.edu X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Apr 04 18:02:01 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.198.28.222 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrabbytelf Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!bignews.mediaways.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16646 > > Hello, and welcome to the group. *blush* I should have welcomed you, Legolas...my humblest apologies. Welcome! Have a glass of wine! > > Nicknames are fine by me. > > > > I currently live in Rochester, Kent, England. > > That's not that far considering some people I know (but still it's sooo far > away). "Sooo far away" is where I actually live--Jackson, Mississippi. -- *Rabbyt the Elf-Queen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ###### From: rabbytelf@my-deja.com Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 18:10:40 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8cdb6i$e7v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <38e63524@news.netdirect-online.co.uk> <6uu2hkfa15.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <38e90502@news.netdirect-online.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.198.28.222 To: westerfi@mc.edu X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Apr 04 18:10:40 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.198.28.222 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrabbytelf Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!cleanfeed.inet.tele.dQ!news.netscum.dk!newsfeedZ.netscum.dQ!netscum.int!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net.MISMATCH!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16644 > Now then, as anyone who has spent any time there knows, Mandos is the name > of my house - I just get named after it sometimes. It really annoys me you > know - these damn elves never could get my name right.... > > *grin* *the Elf-Queen, stooping below her dignity for a moment, sticks her tongue out at Namo-Mandos-Jon* -- *Rabbyt the Elf-Queen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ###### From: "Durin VII" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> Subject: Re: Hi everyone Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:27:32 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.139.30.48 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: iad-read.news.verio.net 954872851 209.139.30.48 (Tue, 04 Apr 2000 18:27:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 18:27:31 GMT Organization: Verio Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!feeder.via.net!206.86.34.12.MISMATCH!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!iad-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16666 Hello and Welcome Mellon I'm original from Kazadum (moria to you non-dwarves), but now residing in Northport, New York, USA Legolas wrote in message news:8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr... > First I'd like to say hello to all the people here. I've been reading some > posts so I decided to join the fun. :))) > I see that almost nobody here has a nick but rather his/her name but I > didn't feel like messing around with the news reader so I left my nick. > BTW where are you people from? > That would be it from me for now. > > > -- > Legolas > Legolas_GL@softhome.net > > Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, > Ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul > > > ###### Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test70 (17 January 1999) From: sbjensen@midway.uchicago.edu (Steuard Jensen) Lines: 29 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.135.12.7 X-Trace: uchinews 954892904 128.135.12.7 (Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:01:44 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:01:44 CDT Organization: The University of Chicago Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 00:01:44 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!uchinews!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16638 Legolas [Legolas_GL@softhome.net] scripsit: > > First I'd like to say hello to all the people here. I've been > > reading some posts so I decided to join the fun. :))) Quoth Gjuro Pedala : > Hay man. Wellcum here. I am new to, but I want to be a part of this > :) So, greetz to every1 here. Welcome to both of you! Since you folks are new, I'll point you in the direction of the Tolkien Newsgroups FAQ, which will be reposted here soon, but which is perpetually available on the web at http://home.uchicago.edu/~sbjensen/Tolkien/TolkNgFaq.html It gives a fairly good overview of the groups, and of some of the debates that can lead to flame wars unless handled carefully. Oh, one other thing, which _isn't_ in the FAQ but is more of a general statement about the culture here: the Tolkien newsgroups have not, by and large, adopted any of the "cute" misspellings and shorthands found in many other fora on the internet. People here tend to make moderately frequent use of abbreviations like "IMHO" (in my humble opinion) and "LOL" (laughing out loud) (to say nothing of "FAQ"), but almost never use "1" for "one" or "doodz" in any context. I won't try to associate any value judgements with that cultural norm, but folks who don't follow it tend to stand out here. At any rate, welcome again, and we'll look forward to your contributions. Steuard Jensen ###### From: "Īāâåë Čîņāä" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:05:41 +0400 Organization: Golden Telecom Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8cfh9m$58f$1@news.sovam.com> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <20000331230030.07815.00000359@ng-fc1.aol.com> <8c8adt$s71$12@as102.tel.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts16-a29.dial.sovam.com X-Trace: news.sovam.com 954943606 5391 195.239.4.29 (5 Apr 2000 14:06:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@glas.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Apr 2000 14:06:46 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2417.2000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!sovam!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16648 > Mithrigil wrote in message > news:20000331230030.07815.00000359@ng-fc1.aol.com... > > >Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, > > >Ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul > > > > Very out of character, if I do say so myself.... > > Why??? Hey, you forgot the diacritic marks (dots and accents) Rhunadan ###### From: "The Valeyard's Cap" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:40:11 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8cfj60$ijf$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <20000331230030.07815.00000359@ng-fc1.aol.com> <8c8adt$s71$12@as102.tel.hr> <8cfh9m$58f$1@news.sovam.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-42.emeldir.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 954945536 19055 62.136.193.42 (5 Apr 2000 14:38:56 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Apr 2000 14:38:56 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16656 And isn't it Ishi Burzum Krimpatul, not Burzum-Ishi Krimpatul. GET IT RIGHT YOU ORCS!! -- The Valeyard's Cap Īāâåë Čîņāä wrote in message news:8cfh9m$58f$1@news.sovam.com... > > Mithrigil wrote in message > > news:20000331230030.07815.00000359@ng-fc1.aol.com... > > > >Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, > > > >Ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul > > > > > > Very out of character, if I do say so myself.... > > > > Why??? > > Hey, you forgot the diacritic marks (dots and accents) > > Rhunadan > > ###### From: the softrat Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 11:46:45 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8vvkessbre08qsfngo8ifm9kjk78ngkbv0@4ax.com> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!rQ66!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16681 On Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:27:32 -0400, "Durin VII" wrote: >I'm original from Kazadum (moria to you non-dwarves), but now residing in >Northport, New York, USA Same place! the softrat mailto:softrat@pobox.com -- It's like pushing a car uphill with a rope. ###### From: Tamim Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: 5 Apr 2000 21:38:36 GMT Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8cgbos$irl$1@oravannahka.helsinki.fi> References: <38e8c41a@news.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <20000403130123.24862.00000478@nso-fn.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sirppi.helsinki.fi X-Trace: oravannahka.helsinki.fi 954970716 19317 128.214.205.27 (5 Apr 2000 21:38:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.helsinki.fi NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Apr 2000 21:38:36 GMT User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (OSF1/V4.0 (alpha)) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!newsfeed1.funet.fi!news.helsinki.fi!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16706 PaulB wrote: > If it's the 21st century then which previous century have you decided only gets > 99 years? The first century started when Jesus was born, let's suppose he was born on Jan 1st 0.00 am. When he was 27 days old it was jan 27th year 0000. Then he celebrated his 1st birthday Jan 1st 0001. When he had lived 100 years the century changed at jan 1st 0:00 year 0100. So the first century had 100 years: 0. 1. 2....99. As had all the following. In the end it comes to, how we name the first year. I would name it year zero because Jesus was 0 full years old: if i had a child I won't celebrate his or hers first birthday on the day he or she is born. I would celebrate his or hers one month birthday one month after the birth as his or hers 0 year one month birthday. And our calendar is based on the birth of Jesus and on the new year he celebrated his 2000th birthday ( fuck the christmast, it has allways been illogical to celebrate christmast and New Year on different days). Anyway the whole issue is idiotic as we don't know when Jesus was born or even if he ever existed. The main point is that according to the current agreement we are know living the 21st century. It is only a matter of agreement and definition. ###### From: "Raven" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <38e8c41a@news.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <20000403130123.24862.00000478@nso-fn.aol.com> <8cgbos$irl$1@oravannahka.helsinki.fi> Subject: Re: Hi everyone Lines: 20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 01:33:12 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.82.196.65 X-Complaints-To: abuse@get2.net X-Trace: news.get2net.dk 954978588 195.82.196.65 (Thu, 06 Apr 2000 01:49:48 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 01:49:48 MET DST Organization: get2net Internet Kunde Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.get2net.dk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16691 Tamim skrev i en news:8cgbos$irl$1@oravannahka.helsinki.fi... > > If it's the 21st century then which previous century have you > > decided only gets 99 years? > The first century started when Jesus was born, let's suppose he was > born on Jan 1st 0.00 am. There was no year 0. According to the mythology, Jesus spent his first year, from birth to his first birthday, roughly during year 1 AD. Not during year 0 AD. Year 1 BC was succeeded by year 1 AD. If you want to make the centuries go from XX00 to XX99 inclusive, you must either accept that one century had 99 years, or define the first century as going from 1 BC to 99 AD, or accept overlapping centuries, eg. the first century = [1-100] and the second century = [100-199], 100 AD belonging to both. Corvus. ###### From: Colonel Panic Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Organization: Absinthesis Studios Message-ID: References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <20000331230030.07815.00000359@ng-fc1.aol.com> <8c8adt$s71$12@as102.tel.hr> <8cfh9m$58f$1@news.sovam.com> <8cfj60$ijf$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 16:34:12 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.46.189 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 954977581 216.26.46.189 (Wed, 05 Apr 2000 19:33:01 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 19:33:01 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16708 On Stardate Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:40:11 +0100, "The Valeyard's Cap" said to Mr. Spock: >And isn't it Ishi Burzum Krimpatul, not Burzum-Ishi Krimpatul. GET IT RIGHT >YOU ORCS!! They HAD it right, you bastard offspring of a troll and a Uruk :) Welcome to the fold - and beware of dreams... Reg'ds, Terry -- I had to give up phone sex because I kept getting it stuck in the nine. -JT ###### From: Tamim Khawaja Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 03:23:06 +0300 Organization: Helsingin Yliopisto Lines: 18 Message-ID: <38EBD8E9.738AAEC6@helsinki.fi> References: <38e8c41a@news.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <20000403130123.24862.00000478@nso-fn.aol.com> <8cgbos$irl$1@oravannahka.helsinki.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: karviaispiirakka.in.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: oravannahka.helsinki.fi 954980637 27538 128.214.182.182 (6 Apr 2000 00:23:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.helsinki.fi NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Apr 2000 00:23:57 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed2.funet.fi!news.helsinki.fi!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16683 Raven wrote: > > Tamim skrev i en > news:8cgbos$irl$1@oravannahka.helsinki.fi... > > > > If it's the 21st century then which previous century have you > > > decided only gets 99 years? > > > The first century started when Jesus was born, let's suppose he was > > born on Jan 1st 0.00 am. > There was no year 0. According to the mythology, Jesus spent his > first year, from birth to his first birthday, roughly during year 1 AD. > Not during year 0 AD. Year 1 BC was succeeded by year 1 AD. I told you it is a matter of definition. We really don't know whenand if he lived, so we can and have defined he "lived his first year on year 0" ###### From: pbachjson@aol.comnojunk (PaulB) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Apr 2000 01:52:40 GMT References: <8cgbos$irl$1@oravannahka.helsinki.fi> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20000405215240.02074.00000882@nso-ce.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16697 In article <8cgbos$irl$1@oravannahka.helsinki.fi>, Tamim writes: >When he was 27 days old it was jan 27th year 0000. Then he celebrated >his 1st birthday Jan 1st 0001. When he had lived 100 years the century >changed at jan 1st 0:00 year 0100. So the first century had 100 years: >0. 1. 2....99. Uhhh.... What year Zero? You just sstipulated that if you take your stating point to be >Jan 1st 0001<. If that was the case then he would complete his first century on Dec 31 0100 and start his second century on Jan 1st 0101. And regardless of the "correctness" of the date, which I don't really pay any mind to, the convention is 100 years to the century. Once youve accepted the convention by using it, everybodys got to stick to the same rules or you get confusions like the one were talking about now. Breathe Peace PB "... the essence of myth [is] that it have no taint of allegory to the maker and yet should suggest incipient allegories to the reader..." C. S. Lewis, having read "The Lay of Leithian" ###### From: erk1030@aol.com (Mithrigil ) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Apr 2000 02:30:30 GMT References: <8cfh9m$58f$1@news.sovam.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000405223030.02550.00000119@ng-cp1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeedZ.netscum.dQ!netscum.int!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16695 >> Mithrigil wrote in message >> news:20000331230030.07815.00000359@ng-fc1.aol.com... >> > >Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, >> > >Ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul >> > >> > Very out of character, if I do say so myself.... >> >> Why??? > >Hey, you forgot the diacritic marks (dots and accents) My computer is as evil as that language. I would have, but Character mapping is really tedious. -*Mithrigil* ###### From: Don Brinn Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 09:20:33 -0400 Organization: IST Lines: 55 Message-ID: <38EC8F21.71C4D782@ist.uwaterloo.ca> References: <38e8c41a@news.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <20000403130123.24862.00000478@nso-fn.aol.com> <8cgbos$irl$1@oravannahka.helsinki.fi> <38EBD8E9.738AAEC6@helsinki.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: istpc55.uwaterloo.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Tamim Khawaja Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!watserv3.uwaterloo.ca!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16686 Tamim Khawaja wrote: > Raven wrote: > > > > Tamim skrev i en > > news:8cgbos$irl$1@oravannahka.helsinki.fi... > > > > > > If it's the 21st century then which previous century have you > > > > decided only gets 99 years? > > > > > The first century started when Jesus was born, let's suppose he was > > > born on Jan 1st 0.00 am. > > There was no year 0. According to the mythology, Jesus spent his > > first year, from birth to his first birthday, roughly during year 1 AD. > > Not during year 0 AD. Year 1 BC was succeeded by year 1 AD. > > I told you it is a matter of definition. We really don't know whenand if > he lived, so we can and have defined he "lived his first year on year 0" True, nobody really knows when exactly J.C. was born, or, for that matter, if he even was born at all. But that hardly matters at all in this discussion. Now, as you've pointed out, since nobody knows when he was born, it is an entirely arbitrary decision. However, the fact that there is no "year 0" is not as arbitrary. Think of what the suffixes "BC" and "AD" mean. BC = "before Christ" and AD = "in the year of our Lord". So 1 BC means "the first year before Christ" whereas 1AD means "the first 'Year of our Lord'". That is to say, 1AD is supposed to be the first year that Jesus was around. Think about this. How old were you during the first year that you were around? Well, between 0 and 1 right? Likewise, J.C., if he was indeed born at the end of 1BC/the beginning of 1AD, was 29 during 30AD. So, the fact that there was no "year 0" is NOT a matter of definition, at least not in the way that you meant. As long as you use the terms BC and AD, (or even the newer BCE and CE terms) you must accept that there is no "year 0". Now, like you and I both said, no one really knows when/if he was born and so, for example, maybe what we call 1AD should really be called 4AD or something - but this has nothing to do with the idea of a "year 0". Of course, anyone can make up any sort of calendar system for their own use, if it so pleases them. So you can make up some kind of systems that includes a year called zero. However, such a year cannot at all be incorporated into our commonly used calendar system. _________________________________________________ Don Waterloo, Ontario _________________________________________________ "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur." (Whatever is said in Latin sounds profound.) ###### From: +SmeagoL+ Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:03:18 +0200 Organization: HiNet Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: a90-p31-zg.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as102.tel.hr 955029822 29460 195.29.245.31 (6 Apr 2000 14:03:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tel.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Apr 2000 14:03:42 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!argos.tel.hr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16698 Steuard Jensen [sbjensen@midway.uchicago.edu] scripsit: //cut thanks, i am going to read FAQ emidiatly. -- -=AhRiMaN=- [ http://ahri.cjb.net ] [ http://maghacker.cjb.net ] "I Can See What You See Not" ###### From: "hazelnut" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 00:16:41 +0100 Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <38ece283_3@news2.vip.uk.com> X-Report: Report abuse to abuse@vip.uk.com X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.176.194.174 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.250.101.2 X-Trace: 6 Apr 2000 20:16:20 GMT, 10.250.101.2 X-Report: Report abuse to abuse@vip.uk.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.icl.net!iclnet!news1.vip.uk.com!10.250.101.2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16728 Legolas hath scribed: > First I'd like to say hello to all the people here. I've been reading some > posts so I decided to join the fun. :))) Hello there! > I see that almost nobody here has a nick but rather his/her name but I > didn't feel like messing around with the news reader so I left my nick. Actually, Hazelnut is not my real name (believe it or not!). It's my kender name, which are Halflings in a fantasy series called Dragonlance. > BTW where are you people from? > That would be it from me for now. I'm from London, England (can also be found in the Shire from time to time ;]) > -- > Legolas > Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, > Ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul Hrmm... I myself prefer Dark Elves. Although i'm probably too short, being a halfling and all... ;] -- Hazelnut Whittlehike ###### From: Tamim Khawaja Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 22:19:36 +0300 Organization: Helsingin Yliopisto Lines: 26 Message-ID: <38ECE348.A5F164A@helsinki.fi> References: <38e8c41a@news.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <20000403130123.24862.00000478@nso-fn.aol.com> <8cgbos$irl$1@oravannahka.helsinki.fi> <38EBD8E9.738AAEC6@helsinki.fi> <38EC8F21.71C4D782@ist.uwaterloo.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: shebekki.in.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: oravannahka.helsinki.fi 955048827 27267 128.214.189.31 (6 Apr 2000 19:20:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.helsinki.fi NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Apr 2000 19:20:27 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.algonet.se!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!algonet!newsfeed1.funet.fi!newsfeed2.funet.fi!news.helsinki.fi!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16721 Don Brinn wrote: > > > However, the fact that there is no "year 0" is not as arbitrary. Think of > what the suffixes "BC" and "AD" mean. BC = "before Christ" and AD = "in the > year of our Lord". So 1 BC means "the first year before Christ" whereas 1AD > means "the first 'Year of our Lord'". That is to say, 1AD is supposed to be > the first year that Jesus was around. Think about this. How old were you > during the first year that you were around? Well, between 0 and 1 right? > Likewise, J.C., if he was indeed born at the end of 1BC/the beginning of 1AD, > was 29 during 30AD. > > So, the fact that there was no "year 0" is NOT a matter of definition, at > least not in the way that you meant. As long as you use the terms BC and AD, > (or even the newer BCE and CE terms) you must accept that there is no "year > 0". In finnish we call the present year 2000 jälkeen kristuksen meanig 2000 after Christ. So it has been 2000 full years after the birth of christ. I don't now what anno domini literally means, but that is hardly the point. 3 months after the birth of christ the time was 0 after christ or 0 years and three months after christ. I still don't get your point:it was then 0th year of our lord. ###### From: Nicolas Masson Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 22:36:40 +0200 Organization: Ecole Centrale Paris Lines: 18 Message-ID: <38ECF558.31DE2B5D@cti.ecp.fr> References: <38e8c41a@news.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <20000403130123.24862.00000478@nso-fn.aol.com> <8cgbos$irl$1@oravannahka.helsinki.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: masson.via.ecp.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: smilodon.ecp.fr 955052783 25115 138.195.137.240 (6 Apr 2000 20:26:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@ecp.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Apr 2000 20:26:23 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!bignews.mediaways.net!oleane.net!oleane!jussieu.fr!smilodon.ecp.fr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16719 Tamim wrote: > > The main point is that according to the > current agreement we are know living the 21st century. It is only a > matter of agreement and definition. I am sorry but you are wrong. I think you will agree that our calendar is the Gregorian Calendar, established by the Gregorian Reform in 1582. There is no year 0 in the Gregorian Calendar. That is all. The 20th century is not over, yet. -- Nicolas Masson "Alae ! Ered en Echoriath, ered e'mbar nin !" ###### From: pbachjson@aol.comnojunk (PaulB) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Apr 2000 23:51:43 GMT References: <38ECE348.A5F164A@helsinki.fi> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20000406195143.29593.00000029@nso-fx.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!triton.skycache.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16754 In article <38ECE348.A5F164A@helsinki.fi>, Tamim Khawaja writes: >. I don't now what anno domini literally means, Anno Domini, usually translated to english Year of our Lord, but I don't know if that is a literally accurate translation. BTW, BC is Before Christ. Does anyone know why A.D. is an abbreviation for a Latin phrase while B.C. is an abreviation for an English phrase? Any reference I look at in my house has no Latin equivelant. I can't imagine that Dennis the Short used Latin for one and a then nonexistent language for the other. Did he not come up with B.C., not worrying about anything before the birth of his saviour? Breathe Peace PB "... the essence of myth [is] that it have no taint of allegory to the maker and yet should suggest incipient allegories to the reader..." C. S. Lewis, having read "The Lay of Leithian" ###### From: "Raven" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <38e8c41a@news.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <20000403130123.24862.00000478@nso-fn.aol.com> <8cgbos$irl$1@oravannahka.helsinki.fi> <38EBD8E9.738AAEC6@helsinki.fi> <38EC8F21.71C4D782@ist.uwaterloo.ca> <38ECE348.A5F164A@helsinki.fi> Subject: Re: Hi everyone Lines: 24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 02:04:30 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.82.223.168 X-Complaints-To: abuse@get2.net X-Trace: news.get2net.dk 955067742 195.82.223.168 (Fri, 07 Apr 2000 02:35:42 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 02:35:42 MET DST Organization: get2net Internet Kunde Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.get2net.dk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16741 Tamim Khawaja skrev i en news:38ECE348.A5F164A@helsinki.fi... > In finnish we call the present year 2000 jälkeen kristuksen meanig > 2000 after Christ. > So it has been 2000 full years after the birth of christ. I don't now > what anno domini literally means, "Year of the Lord", literally. And at the beginning of year two, it was one year after Christ. At the beginning of year 2000, it is 1999 years after Christ. > but that is hardly the point. 3 months after the birth of christ the > time was 0 after christ or 0 years and three months after christ. I > still don't get your point:it was then 0th year of our lord. No, it was the 1st year. There was never a zeroeth year. In our enlightened times, numbering certain things from zero and upwards seems self-evident. Back then, it did not: everything was numbered from one and upward. And for historical reasons, we are stuck with that absurdity in our calendar. Year zero occurs only in idioms like "He has bombed the project back to year zero". Korppi. ###### From: pbachjson@aol.comnojunk (PaulB) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Apr 2000 02:28:43 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20000406222843.05110.00000153@nso-dh.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!pants.skycache.com.MISMATCH!triton.skycache.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16750 In article , "Raven" writes: >Tamim Khawaja skrev i en >news:38ECE348.A5F164A@helsinki.fi... > >snip< > >> but that is hardly the point. 3 months after the birth of christ the >> time was 0 after christ or 0 years and three months after christ. I >> still don't get your point:it was then 0th year of our lord. You are still making the mistake of thinking that the year represents the number of previously completed years and not (as it truly does) indicate the year which is currently be moved through. Today (April 6, 2000) is not 2000 years _plus_ 97 days since Christ, it is the 97th day _of_ the 2000th year since Christ. (As always, just using the terminology of the convention, I'm not saying Dionysius Exiguus was accurate.) Breathe Peace PB "... the essence of myth [is] that it have no taint of allegory to the maker and yet should suggest incipient allegories to the reader..." C. S. Lewis, having read "The Lay of Leithian" ###### From: "Legolas" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:16:49 +0200 Organization: HiNet Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8cn5md$vsm$1@as102.tel.hr> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <38E7154C.35D2@theonering.net> <8c8b4e$a5n$1@as102.tel.hr> <8esfes0n1unu79r72ooiglhuicoriui74l@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: a90-p22-zg.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as102.tel.hr 955193869 32662 195.29.245.22 (8 Apr 2000 11:37:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tel.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Apr 2000 11:37:49 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!argos.tel.hr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16824 the softrat wrote in message news:8esfes0n1unu79r72ooiglhuicoriui74l@4ax.com... > Yeah, and for some unexplained reasomn, I think that you are from > Zagreb. Isn't that in Slovenia? (Slvnja, to you!) Nooo?!?! It's not!!! I see you havn't been paying attention during geography classes. -- Legolas Legolas_GL@softhome.net Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul ###### From: "Legolas" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:17:56 +0200 Organization: HiNet Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8cn5me$vsm$2@as102.tel.hr> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <38E7154C.35D2@theonering.net> <8c8b4e$a5n$1@as102.tel.hr> <38E8D1CE.2933@theonering.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: a90-p22-zg.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as102.tel.hr 955193870 32662 195.29.245.22 (8 Apr 2000 11:37:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tel.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Apr 2000 11:37:50 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!argos.tel.hr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16825 +SmeagoL+ wrote in message news:MPG.13533400ed0cb1039898bd@news.tel.hr... > Nemash beda, ja neznam o chemu prichash :) Majku ti tvoju. A nebi reko da si i ti na grupi. -- Legolas Legolas_GL@softhome.net Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul ###### From: "Legolas" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:22:13 +0200 Organization: HiNet Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8cn5me$vsm$3@as102.tel.hr> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: a90-p22-zg.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as102.tel.hr 955193870 32662 195.29.245.22 (8 Apr 2000 11:37:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tel.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Apr 2000 11:37:50 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!argos.tel.hr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16826 +SmeagoL+ wrote in message news:MPG.1356b79147a1c9319898eb@news.tel.hr... > thanks, i am going to read FAQ emidiatly. Smeagol, ha?? Vidim da si dosao na svoje. :-)))))) -- Legolas Legolas_GL@softhome.net Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul ###### From: "Legolas" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:24:13 +0200 Organization: HiNet Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8cn5mf$vsm$4@as102.tel.hr> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <8c4h9u$eks$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> <8c8adu$s71$14@as102.tel.hr> <8cdaej$d73$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: a90-p22-zg.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as102.tel.hr 955193871 32662 195.29.245.22 (8 Apr 2000 11:37:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tel.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Apr 2000 11:37:51 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!europa.netcrusader.net!204.71.34.3!newsfeed.cwix.com!argos.tel.hr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16827 wrote in message news:8cdaej$d73$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > That's a reasonable statement...Gandalf knew the language, but that > didn't make him "orcy". My point excatly. -- Legolas Legolas_GL@softhome.net Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul ###### From: "Legolas" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:26:40 +0200 Organization: HiNet Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8cn5mg$vsm$5@as102.tel.hr> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <20000331230030.07815.00000359@ng-fc1.aol.com> <8c8adt$s71$12@as102.tel.hr> <8cfh9m$58f$1@news.sovam.com> <8cfj60$ijf$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: a90-p22-zg.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as102.tel.hr 955193872 32662 195.29.245.22 (8 Apr 2000 11:37:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tel.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Apr 2000 11:37:52 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!argos.tel.hr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16828 The Valeyard's Cap wrote in message news:8cfj60$ijf$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk... > And isn't it Ishi Burzum Krimpatul, not Burzum-Ishi Krimpatul. GET IT RIGHT > YOU ORCS!! It is right, except if Tolkien made the same mistake. -- Legolas Legolas_GL@softhome.net Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul ###### From: Tamim Khawaja Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 16:57:00 +0300 Organization: Helsingin Yliopisto Lines: 29 Message-ID: <38EF3AAC.74F0945D@helsinki.fi> References: <38e8c41a@news.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <20000403130123.24862.00000478@nso-fn.aol.com> <8cgbos$irl$1@oravannahka.helsinki.fi> <38EBD8E9.738AAEC6@helsinki.fi> <38EC8F21.71C4D782@ist.uwaterloo.ca> <38ECE348.A5F164A@helsinki.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: shebekki.in.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: oravannahka.helsinki.fi 955202269 3551 128.214.189.31 (8 Apr 2000 13:57:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.helsinki.fi NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Apr 2000 13:57:49 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed3.funet.fi!newsfeed2.funet.fi!news.helsinki.fi!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16834 Raven wrote: > > Tamim Khawaja skrev i en > > but that is hardly the point. 3 months after the birth of christ the > > time was 0 after christ or 0 years and three months after christ. I > > still don't get your point:it was then 0th year of our lord. > No, it was the 1st year. There was never a zeroeth year. In our > enlightened times, numbering certain things from zero and upwards seems > self-evident. Back then, it did not: everything was numbered from one > and upward. And for historical reasons, we are stuck with that > absurdity in our calendar. > Korppi. Dear korppi, when it was year zero or one it wasn't called that because Jesus either did't exist or wasn't very famous. This calendar is a later invention. And as I said it has been up to definition to decide whether there was a year zero or not. The question left is what is the current usage. How do historians and others call the year preceding 1 AD? There must be some kind of a convention. If you give me a good reference that states that 1 AD was preceded by 1BC, I will have to back up and agree that there have been only 1999 years after the beginnig of "our" tideräkning. ###### From: Tamim Khawaja Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 16:59:57 +0300 Organization: Helsingin Yliopisto Lines: 27 Message-ID: <38EF3B5D.F12C57B9@helsinki.fi> References: <20000406222843.05110.00000153@nso-dh.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shebekki.in.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: oravannahka.helsinki.fi 955202446 3551 128.214.189.31 (8 Apr 2000 14:00:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.helsinki.fi NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Apr 2000 14:00:46 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.algonet.se!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!algonet!newsfeed1.funet.fi!newsfeed2.funet.fi!news.helsinki.fi!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16835 PaulB wrote: > > In article , "Raven" > writes: > > >Tamim Khawaja skrev i en > >news:38ECE348.A5F164A@helsinki.fi... > > > >snip< > > > >> but that is hardly the point. 3 months after the birth of christ the > >> time was 0 after christ or 0 years and three months after christ. I > >> still don't get your point:it was then 0th year of our lord. > > You are still making the mistake of thinking that the year represents the > number of previously completed years and not (as it truly does) indicate the > year which is currently be moved through. Today (April 6, 2000) is not 2000 > years _plus_ 97 days since Christ, it is the 97th day _of_ the 2000th year > since Christ. (As always, just using the terminology of the convention, I'm > not saying Dionysius Exiguus was accurate.) > I know I am making that "mistake". Show to me that this is the terminology of convention. If it is then the convention is not very good. ###### From: Tamim Khawaja Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 17:03:29 +0300 Organization: Helsingin Yliopisto Lines: 34 Message-ID: <38EF3C31.DB3424E9@helsinki.fi> References: <8cgbos$irl$1@oravannahka.helsinki.fi> <20000405215240.02074.00000882@nso-ce.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shebekki.in.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: oravannahka.helsinki.fi 955202658 3881 128.214.189.31 (8 Apr 2000 14:04:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.helsinki.fi NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Apr 2000 14:04:18 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!algonet!newsfeed1.funet.fi!newsfeed2.funet.fi!news.helsinki.fi!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16832 PaulB wrote: > > In article <8cgbos$irl$1@oravannahka.helsinki.fi>, Tamim > writes: > > >When he was 27 days old it was jan 27th year 0000. Then he celebrated > >his 1st birthday Jan 1st 0001. When he had lived 100 years the century > >changed at jan 1st 0:00 year 0100. So the first century had 100 years: > >0. 1. 2....99. > > Uhhh.... What year Zero? You just sstipulated that if you take your stating > point to be >Jan 1st 0001<. If that was the case then he would complete his > first century on Dec 31 0100 and start his second century on Jan 1st 0101. > > And regardless of the "correctness" of the date, which I don't really pay any > mind to, the convention is 100 years to the century. Once youve accepted the > convention by using it, everybodys got to stick to the same rules or you get > confusions like the one were talking about now. > > Breathe > Peace > > PB > > "... the essence of myth [is] that it have no taint of allegory to the maker > and yet should suggest incipient allegories to the reader..." > C. S. Lewis, having read "The Lay of Leithian" Yeah year zero, if there was none, then the convention is stupid. with year zero every century has 100 years and starts at jan 1st year x00 and ends dec 31st x99 ###### From: pbachjson@aol.comnojunk (PaulB) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Apr 2000 17:17:18 GMT References: <38EF3C31.DB3424E9@helsinki.fi> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20000408131718.06690.00000158@nso-ft.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16850 In article <38EF3C31.DB3424E9@helsinki.fi>, Tamim Khawaja writes: >Yeah year zero, if there was none, then the convention is stupid. >with year zero every century has 100 years and starts at jan 1st year > x00 and ends dec 31st x99 But if there was a year zero, then it would be a year that wasn't, zero implying nothingness. Breathe Peace PB "... the essence of myth [is] that it have no taint of allegory to the maker and yet should suggest incipient allegories to the reader..." C. S. Lewis, having read "The Lay of Leithian" ###### From: pbachjson@aol.comnojunk (PaulB) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Lines: 50 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Apr 2000 17:17:20 GMT References: <38EF3AAC.74F0945D@helsinki.fi> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000408131720.06690.00000159@nso-ft.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16848 In article <38EF3AAC.74F0945D@helsinki.fi>, Tamim Khawaja writes: >If you give me a good reference that states that 1 AD Technically it is AD 1 not 1AD. > was preceded by >1BC, I will have to back up and agree >that there have been only 1999 years after the beginnig of "our" >tideräkning. From the World Book Encyclopedia (1972 edition but still good for our subject) under the heading B.C.: "... Dionysius Exiguus worked out a Christian system for dating events starting with the year he believed Christ was born. He called the years after the event (1) _anno Domini_ (in the year of our Lord)... To date an event before the birth of Christ, we count backward from 1.(2)" (1) Please note that it is after the _event_ not after the year in which the event occured. (2) From 1 B.C. not from A.D. 1. The sentence in question is already speaking of B.C. so if A.D. 1 was meant, then for clarity A.D. would have to be stipulated. Since it was not, 1 B.C. is what is meant. Based on the event of Jesus' birth being ground 0 time-wise, we can see that Joseph was cucolded by God in 1 B.C. and Jesus was circumsized twelve days after his birth, in A.D. 1. Taking another approach, the A.D/B.C. calendar system was adopted in A.D. 532 but according to the same encyclopedia: "Scholars do not know when the zero was invented. It was used before the A.D. 800's and may have been used as early as 600." So it is quite possible, and even probable, that Dyonisius Exeguus did not have the concept to incorporate into his system. Therefore we are stuck with a systemic flaw that we are forced to live with. In other words, it might seem dumb to some and illogical to some, but suck it up and deal with it 'cause that's the way it is. Breathe Peace PB "... the essence of myth [is] that it have no taint of allegory to the maker and yet should suggest incipient allegories to the reader..." C. S. Lewis, having read "The Lay of Leithian" ###### From: Mia Kalogjera Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 15:36:13 -0700 Organization: HiNet Lines: 19 Message-ID: <38EFB45D.5010@theonering.net> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <38E7154C.35D2@theonering.net> <8c8b4e$a5n$1@as102.tel.hr> <8esfes0n1unu79r72ooiglhuicoriui74l@4ax.com> <8cn5md$vsm$1@as102.tel.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: ar2-p28-ri.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as102.tel.hr 955200516 9463 195.29.236.156 (8 Apr 2000 13:28:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tel.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Apr 2000 13:28:36 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!europa.netcrusader.net!204.71.34.3!newsfeed.cwix.com!argos.tel.hr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16837 Legolas wrote: > > the softrat wrote in message > news:8esfes0n1unu79r72ooiglhuicoriui74l@4ax.com.. > > Yeah, and for some unexplained reasomn, I think that you are from > > Zagreb. Isn't that in Slovenia? (Slvnja, to you!) > > Nooo?!?! It's not!!! > I see you havn't been paying attention during geography classes. You're still new here, so pay attention. The softrat knows everything, he just likes to irritate people. -- "I don't walk on the edge. I walk on the other side." Die Andere Seite at http://www.crosswinds.net/~jereeza TheOneRing.net LotR film site at http://theonering.net e-mail: jereeza(at)yahoo.com or mia(at)theonering.net ###### From: Tamim Khawaja Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 21:37:07 +0300 Organization: Helsingin Yliopisto Lines: 22 Message-ID: <38EF7C53.9492558A@helsinki.fi> References: <38EF3C31.DB3424E9@helsinki.fi> <20000408131718.06690.00000158@nso-ft.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lapin-kulta.in.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: oravannahka.helsinki.fi 955219078 17388 128.214.182.250 (8 Apr 2000 18:37:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.helsinki.fi NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Apr 2000 18:37:58 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!bignews.mediaways.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed2.funet.fi!news.helsinki.fi!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16866 PaulB wrote: > > In article <38EF3C31.DB3424E9@helsinki.fi>, Tamim Khawaja > writes: > > >Yeah year zero, if there was none, then the convention is stupid. > >with year zero every century has 100 years and starts at jan 1st year > > x00 and ends dec 31st x99 > > But if there was a year zero, then it would be a year that wasn't, zero > implying nothingness. > Breathe > Peace That is really strange way of perceiving things. In the clock the time can be 0.05 meaning 0 full hours 5 minutes have passed since midday or midnight. That is logical. The same could be extended to years, and then we won't have the inconsistencies and fights we have now. Jesus was born on year 0 and then the time passed from his birth was 0 or nothing as you say. But still zero doesn't always mean nothingness. ###### From: Paul S. Person Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 09:20:15 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 44 Message-ID: <7ta1fs0lrhgkgo8kjsniusim6nfuc0ijsm@4ax.com> References: <38e8c41a@news.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <20000403130123.24862.00000478@nso-fn.aol.com> <8cgbos$irl$1@oravannahka.helsinki.fi> <38EBD8E9.738AAEC6@helsinki.fi> <38EC8F21.71C4D782@ist.uwaterloo.ca> <38ECE348.A5F164A@helsinki.fi> <38EF3AAC.74F0945D@helsinki.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.79.25.d7 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Server-Date: 9 Apr 2000 16:16:47 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16862 Tamim Khawaja wrote: >Raven wrote: >> >> Tamim Khawaja skrev i en > >> > but that is hardly the point. 3 months after the birth of christ the >> > time was 0 after christ or 0 years and three months after christ. I >> > still don't get your point:it was then 0th year of our lord. >> No, it was the 1st year. There was never a zeroeth year. In our >> enlightened times, numbering certain things from zero and upwards seems >> self-evident. Back then, it did not: everything was numbered from one >> and upward. And for historical reasons, we are stuck with that >> absurdity in our calendar. > >Dear korppi, when it was year zero or one it wasn't called that because >Jesus either did't exist >or wasn't very famous. This calendar is a later invention. And as I said >it has been up to definition >to decide whether there was a year zero or not. The question left is >what is the current usage. >How do historians and others call the year preceding 1 AD? There must be >some kind of a convention. >If you give me a good reference that states that 1 AD was preceded by >1BC, I will have to back up and agree >that there have been only 1999 years after the beginnig of "our" >tideräkning. If you muck about in the _Encyclopaedia Britannica_, you should be able to convince yourself that 1BC is, indeed, the name of the year before 1 AD. (Try "chronology", although "exiguus" will also help). Some factoids I gleaned on my search: the point of the exercise was to help in computing the date of Easter the AD/BC system was not generally used in Europe until the 11th Century AD From which I suggest: BC is in English because nobody really cared about naming the years before Christ until English became the language of science (most likely, History). ###### From: +SmeagoL+ Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:02:54 +0200 Organization: HiNet Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <38E7154C.35D2@theonering.net> <8c8b4e$a5n$1@as102.tel.hr> <38E8D1CE.2933@theonering.net> <8cn5me$vsm$2@as102.tel.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: a90-p71-zg.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as102.tel.hr 955371799 8950 195.29.245.71 (10 Apr 2000 13:03:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tel.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Apr 2000 13:03:19 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!argos.tel.hr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16938 Legolas [Legolas_GL@softhome.net] scripsit: > Majku ti tvoju. A nebi reko da si i ti na grupi. Njet :) -- -=AhRiMaN=- [ http://ahri.cjb.net ] [ http://maghacker.cjb.net ] "I Can See What You See Not" ###### From: +SmeagoL+ Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:03:25 +0200 Organization: HiNet Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <8cn5me$vsm$3@as102.tel.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: a90-p71-zg.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as102.tel.hr 955371830 8950 195.29.245.71 (10 Apr 2000 13:03:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tel.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Apr 2000 13:03:50 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!bignews.mediaways.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!argos.tel.hr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16944 Legolas [Legolas_GL@softhome.net] scripsit: > > thanks, i am going to read FAQ emidiatly. > > Smeagol, ha?? > Vidim da si dosao na svoje. > :-)))))) Had to use that nick somewhere. Not only in Quake. :) -- -=AhRiMaN=- [ http://ahri.cjb.net ] [ http://maghacker.cjb.net ] "I Can See What You See Not" ###### From: "Legolas" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:57:44 +0200 Organization: HiNet Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8csmun$6ma$1@as102.tel.hr> References: <8c3bai$k06$8@as102.tel.hr> <8cn5me$vsm$3@as102.tel.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: a90-p106-zg.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as102.tel.hr 955375383 6858 195.29.245.106 (10 Apr 2000 14:03:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tel.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Apr 2000 14:03:03 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.cwix.com!argos.tel.hr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:16919 +SmeagoL+ wrote in message news:MPG.135bef8594004a0e9898fc@news.tel.hr... > Had to use that nick somewhere. Not only in Quake. :) Your precioussss. ;-))))) -- Legolas Legolas_GL@softhome.net Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul ###### From: Paul S. Person Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 09:31:47 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <38EF3C31.DB3424E9@helsinki.fi> <20000408131718.06690.00000158@nso-ft.aol.com> <38EF7C53.9492558A@helsinki.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.79.22.73 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 16 Apr 2000 16:27:51 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:17308 Tamim Khawaja wrote: >PaulB wrote: >> >> In article <38EF3C31.DB3424E9@helsinki.fi>, Tamim Khawaja >> writes: >> >> >Yeah year zero, if there was none, then the convention is stupid. >> >with year zero every century has 100 years and starts at jan 1st year >> > x00 and ends dec 31st x99 >> >> But if there was a year zero, then it would be a year that wasn't, zero >> implying nothingness. >> Breathe >> Peace > >That is really strange way of perceiving things. In the clock the time >can be 0.05 meaning 0 full hours 5 minutes have passed since midday or >midnight. That is logical. The same could be extended to years, and then >we won't have the inconsistencies and fights we have now. Jesus was born >on year 0 and then the time passed from his birth was 0 or nothing as >you say. But still zero doesn't always mean nothingness. Actually, it does. The most basic numbers are the counting numbers: 1 cow, 2 cows, 3 cows, and so forth. There is no counting number "0", just are there are no counting numbers "-1", "-2", and so on. The concept did not exist until it was invented in India. From where it spread to the Arabs. Who passed it on to Europe, after the AD calculation had been made. Where it made negative numbers comprehensible and allowed the integers (the counting numbers, their negative analogues, and "0") to be formed. Which in turn made additive groups available for study. Consider your own example: 0.05. If you had a form with boxes for each position, you could write "5" in the right-most box and have the same result -- you could have _nothing_ in the leftmost box and the middle box. All the "0"s do is occupy space. You could just as well write it " . 5" and claim that the quote marks (which make the boundaries clear) have some actual meaning. Zero is a place-holder. It is used in writing numbers to signify "nothing" in a particular position. (It is also used in group theory to signify the unique element used with the symbol '+', but that is an abstract convention -- the symbol "beetlejuice" could be used and would work just as well, except for taking longer to write.) ###### From: "Paul Shenton" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <38e8c41a@news.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <20000403130123.24862.00000478@nso-fn.aol.com> <8cgbos$irl$1@oravannahka.helsinki.fi> <38EBD8E9.738AAEC6@helsinki.fi> <38EC8F21.71C4D782@ist.uwaterloo.ca> Subject: Re: Hi everyone Lines: 68 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:49:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.140.24 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc2.on.home.com 956346552 24.64.140.24 (Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:49:12 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:49:12 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc2.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:17567 "Don Brinn" wrote in message news:38EC8F21.71C4D782@ist.uwaterloo.ca... > Tamim Khawaja wrote: > > > Raven wrote: > > > > > > Tamim skrev i en > > > news:8cgbos$irl$1@oravannahka.helsinki.fi... > > > > > > > > If it's the 21st century then which previous century have you > > > > > decided only gets 99 years? > > > > > > > The first century started when Jesus was born, let's suppose he was > > > > born on Jan 1st 0.00 am. > > > There was no year 0. According to the mythology, Jesus spent his > > > first year, from birth to his first birthday, roughly during year 1 AD. > > > Not during year 0 AD. Year 1 BC was succeeded by year 1 AD. > > > > I told you it is a matter of definition. We really don't know whenand if > > he lived, so we can and have defined he "lived his first year on year 0" > > True, nobody really knows when exactly J.C. was born, or, for that matter, if > he even was born at all. But that hardly matters at all in this discussion. > Now, as you've pointed out, since nobody knows when he was born, it is an > entirely arbitrary decision. > > However, the fact that there is no "year 0" is not as arbitrary. Think of > what the suffixes "BC" and "AD" mean. BC = "before Christ" and AD = "in the > year of our Lord". So 1 BC means "the first year before Christ" whereas 1AD > means "the first 'Year of our Lord'". That is to say, 1AD is supposed to be > the first year that Jesus was around. Think about this. How old were you > during the first year that you were around? Well, between 0 and 1 right? > Likewise, J.C., if he was indeed born at the end of 1BC/the beginning of 1AD, > was 29 during 30AD. > > So, the fact that there was no "year 0" is NOT a matter of definition, at > least not in the way that you meant. As long as you use the terms BC and AD, > (or even the newer BCE and CE terms) you must accept that there is no "year > 0". > > Now, like you and I both said, no one really knows when/if he was born and > so, for example, maybe what we call 1AD should really be called 4AD or > something - but this has nothing to do with the idea of a "year 0". > > Of course, anyone can make up any sort of calendar system for their own use, > if it so pleases them. So you can make up some kind of systems that includes > a year called zero. However, such a year cannot at all be incorporated into > our commonly used calendar system. Okay, GODBOYS....that is enough of your theological squabbling. We do not want anymore of this Jesus stuff on this Tolkien NG. Take it to your local church instead. ###### From: "Paul Shenton" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <38ECE348.A5F164A@helsinki.fi> <20000406195143.29593.00000029@nso-fx.aol.com> Subject: Re: Hi everyone Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:55:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.140.24 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc2.on.home.com 956346904 24.64.140.24 (Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:55:04 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:55:04 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc2.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:17568 "PaulB" wrote in message news:20000406195143.29593.00000029@nso-fx.aol.com... > In article <38ECE348.A5F164A@helsinki.fi>, Tamim Khawaja > writes: > > >. I don't now what anno domini literally means, > > Anno Domini, usually translated to english Year of our Lord, but I don't know > if that is a literally accurate translation. That is an accurate literal translation. > > BTW, BC is Before Christ. Does anyone know why A.D. is an abbreviation for a > Latin phrase while B.C. is an abreviation for an English phrase? Any reference > I look at in my house has no Latin equivelant. I can't imagine that Dennis the > Short used Latin for one and a then nonexistent language for the other. Did he > not come up with B.C., not worrying about anything before the birth of his > saviour? There is a Latin equivalent of B.C. It is A.C. for Ante Christum. However, the English powers that be did not like the look of A.C. and A.D. and so used B.C. for A.C. As an aside, in French we use A. J.-C., for Avant Jésus Christ, meaning before Jesus Christ. Paul. ###### Message-ID: <3900E7FE.7E424134@yahoo.com> From: Kent Reply-To: tokent@yahoo.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Hi everyone References: <38e8c41a@news.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <20000403130123.24862.00000478@nso-fn.aol.com> <8cgbos$irl$1@oravannahka.helsinki.fi> <38EBD8E9.738AAEC6@helsinki.fi> <38EC8F21.71C4D782@ist.uwaterloo.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 23:44:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.14.30.158 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 956360647 63.14.30.158 (Fri, 21 Apr 2000 23:44:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 23:44:07 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:17603 Paul Shenton wrote: > Okay, GODBOYS....that is enough of your theological squabbling. We do not > want anymore of this Jesus stuff on this Tolkien NG. Take it to your local > church instead. Well, this discussion is actually over at AFT. I don't know why or how it got crossposted here. Not that that should make much difference to your argument. But there is alot of OT stuff going on over there.