Reply-To: "Conrad Dunkerson" From: "Conrad Dunkerson" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Tolkien Paleontology? Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:44:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.79.57.12 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 952872246 12.79.57.12 (Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:44:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:44:06 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsfeed.fast.net!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:15569 From the Washington Post; "Don Lessem, creator of the exhibition, said the find is the latest addition to a new family of dinosaurs known as Carcharodontosaurus, five species of large meat-eaters discovered in recent years in Patagonia and North Africa." Carcharo? Is there a latin root I'm forgetting here? Or is it more than coincidence that a new class of carnivorous dinosaurs with the largest jaws/teeth on record has a name so close to JRRT's "Carcharoth" (jaws of thirst / red maw)? I know 'dont' is teeth and 'saurus' is lizard, but I'm not coming up with a latin basis for 'Carcharo'. ###### From: "Poe Ghostal" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien Paleontology? Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:56:24 -0500 Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8ageni$t4d$1@news.fas.harvard.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: jclarke.student.harvard.edu X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.fas.harvard.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:15586 Well, I forget exactly what the Latin means, but the Great White Shark is classified as "Carcharadon carcharias" sooooo.... -Jason "Conrad Dunkerson" wrote in message news:W2Oy4.7933$lA4.491851@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > From the Washington Post; > > "Don Lessem, creator of the exhibition, said the find is the latest > addition to a new family of dinosaurs known as Carcharodontosaurus, > five species of large meat-eaters discovered in recent years in > Patagonia and North Africa." > > > Carcharo? Is there a latin root I'm forgetting here? Or is it > more than coincidence that a new class of carnivorous dinosaurs > with the largest jaws/teeth on record has a name so close to JRRT's > "Carcharoth" (jaws of thirst / red maw)? > > I know 'dont' is teeth and 'saurus' is lizard, but I'm not coming > up with a latin basis for 'Carcharo'. > > > ###### From: "Gone Fishin'" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien Paleontology? Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:18:44 -0000 Organization: none Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8agg0k$a7i$1@quince.news.easynet.net> References: <8ageni$t4d$1@news.fas.harvard.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tnt-9-51.easynet.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: quince.news.easynet.net 952877908 10482 195.40.198.51 (12 Mar 2000 16:18:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eidosnet.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Mar 2000 16:18:28 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!easynet-melon!easynet-uk!easynet.net!quince.news.easynet.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:15594 Poe Ghostal wrote in message news:8ageni$t4d$1@news.fas.harvard.edu... > Well, I forget exactly what the Latin means, but the Great White Shark >is classified as "Carcharadon carcharias" sooooo.... Only the predatory sharks have the 'Charcar' prefix in their Latin names - the plankton feeders don't, so I guess it's a 'teeth' thing. -- "Even stoopid Trolls know stuff..." (Me - March 2000) ###### From: "Gone Fishin'" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien Paleontology? Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:24:11 -0000 Organization: none Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8agg85$aad$1@quince.news.easynet.net> References: <8ageni$t4d$1@news.fas.harvard.edu> <8agg0k$a7i$1@quince.news.easynet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tnt-9-51.easynet.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: quince.news.easynet.net 952878149 10573 195.40.198.51 (12 Mar 2000 16:22:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eidosnet.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Mar 2000 16:22:29 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!quince.news.easynet.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:15593 Gone Fishin' wrote in message news:8agg0k$a7i$1@quince.news.easynet.net... > > Poe Ghostal wrote in message > news:8ageni$t4d$1@news.fas.harvard.edu... > > Well, I forget exactly what the Latin means, but the Great White Shark > >is classified as "Carcharadon carcharias" sooooo.... > > Only the predatory sharks have the 'Charcar' prefix in their Latin name - the plankton feeders don't, so I guess it's a 'teeth' thing. > Quick self- correction. Make that 'Carchar' prefix. Heh..more haste less speed needed, me thinks! ###### From: martins@tiger.cs.yorku.ca (Claude Martins) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien Paleontology? Date: 12 Mar 2000 17:31:43 GMT Organization: York University, North York Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8agk9v$9pv$1@sunburst.ccs.yorku.ca> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.yorku.ca Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!newshub.ccs.yorku.ca!tiger.cs.yorku.ca!martins Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:15592 In article , Conrad Dunkerson wrote: >From the Washington Post; > >"Don Lessem, creator of the exhibition, said the find is the latest >addition to a new family of dinosaurs known as Carcharodontosaurus, >five species of large meat-eaters discovered in recent years in >Patagonia and North Africa." > > >Carcharo? Is there a latin root I'm forgetting here? Or is it >more than coincidence that a new class of carnivorous dinosaurs >with the largest jaws/teeth on record has a name so close to JRRT's >"Carcharoth" (jaws of thirst / red maw)? > >I know 'dont' is teeth and 'saurus' is lizard, but I'm not coming >up with a latin basis for 'Carcharo'. 'Carchar' means ragged; this from an etymology of the great white shark's scientific name: 'Carcharodon carcharis'. - Claude. -- -- Claude Martins / Timberwolf / ICQ: 5304950 / York U, Toronto, ON, CA martins@cs.yorku.ca / The Wolf Lair http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~martins/ NOTE : I do NOT use RemarQ's Usenet services due to their ad policy. ###### From: Paris Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien Paleontology? Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:40:32 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <8ah6d0$l63$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8agk9v$9pv$1@sunburst.ccs.yorku.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.47.253.154 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Mar 12 22:40:32 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x24.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 194.47.253.154 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpar_ola Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.icl.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:15612 In article <8agk9v$9pv$1@sunburst.ccs.yorku.ca>, martins@tiger.cs.yorku.ca (Claude Martins) wrote: > In article , > Conrad Dunkerson wrote: > >From the Washington Post; > > > >"Don Lessem, creator of the exhibition, said the find is the latest > >addition to a new family of dinosaurs known as Carcharodontosaurus, > >five species of large meat-eaters discovered in recent years in > >Patagonia and North Africa." > > > > > >Carcharo? Is there a latin root I'm forgetting here? Or is it > >more than coincidence that a new class of carnivorous dinosaurs > >with the largest jaws/teeth on record has a name so close to JRRT's > >"Carcharoth" (jaws of thirst / red maw)? > > > >I know 'dont' is teeth and 'saurus' is lizard, but I'm not coming > >up with a latin basis for 'Carcharo'. > > 'Carchar' means ragged; this from an etymology of the great > white shark's scientific name: 'Carcharodon carcharis'. > Actually I think 'jagged' or 'saw-like' is more correct (as good as always used in connection with teeth). Also, it's Greek, just like odont- (lat. dent-) and sauros (lat. lacerta). Professor Paris :) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.