From: YosemiteSamwiseGamgee Subject: Epilogue--pros and cons Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Message-ID: <0291d15b.9f504b5e@usw-ex0106-048.remarq.com> Lines: 14 Bytes: 598 X-Originating-Host: 209.30.64.38 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here X-Wren-Trace: eGxJYWB5PnQ/PnFnYXw6Ml55cGh6YGJ0bHQjPTUhO38zJHo5LH8h Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 03:25:18 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.48 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon4 950268924 10.0.2.48 (Fri, 11 Feb 2000 03:35:24 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 03:35:24 PST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!remarQ.com!supernews.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon4.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:14189 What's your opinion on the Epilogue from SAURON DEFEATED ? Should it be considered part of LoTR? Is it any good? Which version is best? Do you think Tolkien would have liked to have it included at some juncture? I 've always liked it myself. One of the only glimpses of Hobbit children. YosemiteSamwiseGamgee-- "If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world."--Thorin Oakenshield * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! ###### From: Flame of the West Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Epilogue--pros and cons Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:19:17 -0500 Lines: 22 Message-ID: <38A41A62.C4408718@erols.com> References: <0291d15b.9f504b5e@usw-ex0106-048.remarq.com> Reply-To: jsolinas@erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ow+kBqpONXWxfb0GSVDOMU3WKvvIbi28rrgYbRM6JwI= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Feb 2000 15:04:03 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:14205 YosemiteSamwiseGamgee wrote: > What's your opinion on the Epilogue from SAURON DEFEATED ? Should it > be considered part of LoTR? Is it any good? Which version is best? > Do you think Tolkien would have liked to have it included at some > juncture? I 've always liked it myself. One of the only glimpses of > Hobbit children. There doesn't seem much reason not to consider it part of LotR. JRRT wanted it there, dropped it only in response to negative feedback, and later wished he'd left it in. There's no conflict between the Epilogue and the published LotR that I'm aware of. In fact, I sorta wished the Millennium Edition had put it in, just as they felt free to take liberties with the book titles. Of course, they would have used the Second Version of the Epilogue since it was written later and superceded the First Version. -- FotW Reality is for those who cannot cope with Middle-Earth. ###### From: "David L." Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <0291d15b.9f504b5e@usw-ex0106-048.remarq.com> <38A41A62.C4408718@erols.com> Subject: Re: Epilogue--pros and cons Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 19:59:56 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.141.211.176 X-Trace: nntp0.detroit.mi.ameritech.net 950317194 206.141.211.176 (Fri, 11 Feb 2000 19:59:54 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 19:59:54 EDT Organization: Ameritech.Net www.ameritech.net Complaints: abuse@ameritech.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ameritech.net!nntp0.detroit.mi.ameritech.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:14206 Flame of the West wrote in message news:38A41A62.C4408718@erols.com... > > YosemiteSamwiseGamgee wrote: > > > What's your opinion on the Epilogue from SAURON DEFEATED ? Should it > > be considered part of LoTR? Is it any good? Which version is best? > > Do you think Tolkien would have liked to have it included at some > > juncture? I 've always liked it myself. One of the only glimpses of > > Hobbit children. > > There doesn't seem much reason not to consider it part of LotR. > JRRT wanted it there, dropped it only in response to negative > feedback, and later wished he'd left it in. There's no conflict > between the Epilogue and the published LotR that I'm aware of. > In fact, I sorta wished the Millennium Edition had put it in, just as > they felt free to take liberties with the book titles. Of course, > they would have used the Second Version of the Epilogue since > it was written later and superceded the First Version. I don't recall Tolkien ever writing that he wished he had left the Epilogue in. I do recall that he lamented having to take it out, when it was written he thought it was a good vehicle for tying up loose ends. Dave ###### From: StevieRayVonnegut Subject: Re: Epilogue--pros and cons Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Message-ID: <18fe3fe8.4655ccfd@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com> Lines: 19 Bytes: 767 X-Originating-Host: 209.30.67.158 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here References: <0291d15b.9f504b5e@usw-ex0106-048.remarq.com> <38A41A62.C4408718@erols.com> X-Wren-Trace: eKKHr6638Lrx4KOprOC2qLu/p6qlo/Dlh7esqaS59eGiqaLx/Lv5//7t8PDis+Tt Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 21:04:27 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.50 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon2 950332214 10.0.2.50 (Fri, 11 Feb 2000 21:10:14 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 21:10:14 PST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!remarQ.com!supernews.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon2.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:14196 I had similar thoughts Flame. The Millenium Edition has tempted me at the book store, and I thought the Epilogue would have made a nice upbeat companion to "The Tale of Aragorn and Arwen" in the Appendix. Let me be the last one to consider bad mouthing Christopher and his publishers though.. Who would have thought 25 years ago we would have gotten so much great stuff over the years thanks to him and others. The 75 bucks is just so easy to spend on other things not near as important, like electricity. StevieRayVaughn, Assistant Editor, Redbook Publishing, Undertowers, Westmarch. The Shire * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! ###### From: Don Brinn Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Epilogue--pros and cons Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:52:42 -0500 Organization: IST Lines: 20 Message-ID: <38AD94FA.581442BF@ist.uwaterloo.ca> References: <0291d15b.9f504b5e@usw-ex0106-048.remarq.com> <38A41A62.C4408718@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: istpc55.uwaterloo.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!watserv3.uwaterloo.ca!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:14486 Flame of the West wrote: > In fact, I sorta wished the Millennium Edition had put it in, just as > they felt free to take liberties with the book titles. Please enlighten me. What liberties were taken with the book titles? > > -- FotW _________________________________________________ Don Waterloo, Ontario _________________________________________________ "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur." (Whatever is said in Latin sounds profound.)