From: "John Chivers" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Sword that Was Broken Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 04:51:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.15.89.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com 949985490 24.15.89.18 (Mon, 07 Feb 2000 20:51:30 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 20:51:30 PST Organization: @Home Network Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:13972 Rather silly, but I've never quite figured out how Aragorn carried "the shards of Narsil" around with him. At the council of Elrond, he "cast his sword upon the table, and the blade was in two pieces". Does this mean he kept the hilt in his scabbard, and the point in his pocket? Did he carry Narsil at all times? How useful is a broken sword, anyway? Did he carry another one for non-ceremonial purposes? ###### From: fjake@aol.com (F Jake) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Sword that Was Broken Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Feb 2000 05:45:37 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000208004537.01038.00000167@ng-cm1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:13898 >Rather silly, but I've never quite figured out how Aragorn carried "the >shards of Narsil" around with him. At the council of Elrond, he "cast his >sword upon the table, and the blade was in two pieces". Does this mean he >kept the hilt in his scabbard, and the point in his pocket? Did he carry >Narsil at all times? How useful is a broken sword, anyway? Did he carry >another one for non-ceremonial purposes? > He probibly only carried it when He wanted to create a dramatic moment! :-) ###### Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien From: Michael@xenite.org (Michael Martinez) Subject: Re: Sword that Was Broken Organization: Xenite.Org: Science Fiction and Fantasy Message-ID: <87ob15$eo_018@news.uswest.net> References: X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Lines: 18 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 05:53:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.224.148.100 X-Trace: news.uswest.net 949988817 207.224.148.100 (Mon, 07 Feb 2000 23:46:57 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 23:46:57 CST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news-out.uswest.net!news.uswest.net.POSTED!xenite1 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:13837 In article , "John Chivers" wrote: >Rather silly, but I've never quite figured out how Aragorn carried "the >shards of Narsil" around with him. At the council of Elrond, he "cast his >sword upon the table, and the blade was in two pieces". Does this mean he >kept the hilt in his scabbard, and the point in his pocket? Did he carry >Narsil at all times? How useful is a broken sword, anyway? Did he carry >another one for non-ceremonial purposes? He could have kept both parts of the sword in the scabbard. He just needed to avoid hanging the scabbard upside down while the hilt was not sheathed. -- \\ // Science Fiction and Fantasy info@xenite.org \\// //\\ http://www.xenite.org/channels/electronic-publishing.html // \\ENITE.org.................................................... New Xena Polls: http://www.xenite.org/boards/xenaonln/wwwboard.html ###### From: "Öjevind Lång" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: Subject: Re: Sword that Was Broken Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:09:23 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.55.89 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 950007956 212.151.55.89 (Tue, 08 Feb 2000 12:05:56 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 12:05:56 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:13954 John Chivers hath written: >Rather silly, but I've never quite figured out how Aragorn carried "the >shards of Narsil" around with him. At the council of Elrond, he "cast his >sword upon the table, and the blade was in two pieces". Does this mean he >kept the hilt in his scabbard, and the point in his pocket? Did he carry >Narsil at all times? How useful is a broken sword, anyway? Did he carry >another one for non-ceremonial purposes? At the Prancing Pony, he shows the broken sword to the hobbits. I must admit that I wonder what he used as a weapon when fighting, and why the devil he simply did not keep the sword pieces in a backpack or the like. Öjevind ###### From: "Graham Jack" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Sword that Was Broken Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:55:53 -0000 Organization: NTL Internet News Service Lines: 32 Message-ID: <87p3ou$aqh$1@nclient3-gui.server.dtn.ntl.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p2-harc2-guildford1.tch.dtn.ntl.com X-Trace: nclient3-gui.server.dtn.ntl.com 950014558 11089 194.168.240.152 (8 Feb 2000 12:55:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@net.ntl.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Feb 2000 12:55:58 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:13795 I have a vague feeling that he used the broken bit as a weapon, the blade would still be sharp so it would just be like a badly balanced short sword with no point. I'm sure in Aragorn's hands that would still be quite effective. Graham Jack Öjevind Lång wrote in message news:oMSn4.8267$jg4.14211@nntpserver.swip.net... > John Chivers hath written: > > >Rather silly, but I've never quite figured out how Aragorn carried "the > >shards of Narsil" around with him. At the council of Elrond, he "cast his > >sword upon the table, and the blade was in two pieces". Does this mean he > >kept the hilt in his scabbard, and the point in his pocket? Did he carry > >Narsil at all times? How useful is a broken sword, anyway? Did he carry > >another one for non-ceremonial purposes? > > > At the Prancing Pony, he shows the broken sword to the hobbits. I must admit > that I wonder what he used as a weapon when fighting, and why the devil he > simply did not keep the sword pieces in a backpack or the like. > > Öjevind > > ###### From: Christopher Roberson Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Sword that Was Broken Date: 8 Feb 2000 17:33:21 GMT Organization: EnterAct L.L.C. Turbo-Elite News Server Lines: 19 Message-ID: <87pk11$9g0$1@eve.enteract.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.143.42 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990624 ("Dawnrazor") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.3-STABLE (i386)) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.icl.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:13824 "Öjevind Lång" wrote: > John Chivers hath written: >>Rather silly, but I've never quite figured out how Aragorn carried "the >>shards of Narsil" around with him. At the council of Elrond, he "cast his >>sword upon the table, and the blade was in two pieces". Does this mean he >>kept the hilt in his scabbard, and the point in his pocket? Did he carry >>Narsil at all times? How useful is a broken sword, anyway? Did he carry >>another one for non-ceremonial purposes? > > At the Prancing Pony, he shows the broken sword to the hobbits. I must admit > that I wonder what he used as a weapon when fighting, and why the devil he > simply did not keep the sword pieces in a backpack or the like. Not to mention that the sword is a priceless heirloom -- it's Elendil's sword, for God's sake! Shouldn't it be safely locked away somewhere? -- Christopher Roberson ###### From: "Scott Marsden" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <87pk11$9g0$1@eve.enteract.com> Subject: Re: Sword that Was Broken Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 02:33:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.66.210.156 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ab.home.com 950063602 24.66.210.156 (Tue, 08 Feb 2000 18:33:22 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 18:33:22 PST Organization: @Home Network Canada Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ab.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:14057 Christopher Roberson wrote in message news:87pk11$9g0$1@eve.enteract.com... > "Öjevind Lång" wrote: > > John Chivers hath written: > > >>Rather silly, but I've never quite figured out how Aragorn carried "the > >>shards of Narsil" around with him. At the council of Elrond, he "cast his > >>sword upon the table, and the blade was in two pieces". Does this mean he > >>kept the hilt in his scabbard, and the point in his pocket? Did he carry > >>Narsil at all times? How useful is a broken sword, anyway? Did he carry > >>another one for non-ceremonial purposes? > > > > At the Prancing Pony, he shows the broken sword to the hobbits. I must admit > > that I wonder what he used as a weapon when fighting, and why the devil he > > simply did not keep the sword pieces in a backpack or the like. > > Not to mention that the sword is a priceless heirloom -- it's Elendil's > sword, for God's sake! Shouldn't it be safely locked away somewhere? Yeah, you never know who might pick it up. Trolls, perhaps... ###### From: brahms@mindspring.com (Stan Brown) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Sword that Was Broken Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 22:59:24 -0500 Organization: Oak Road Systems Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: c7.ae.b2.96 X-Server-Date: 9 Feb 2000 03:57:42 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!news.mindspring.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:14060 Said chivers1@home.com (John Chivers) in rec.arts.books.tolkien: >Rather silly, but I've never quite figured out how Aragorn carried "the >shards of Narsil" around with him. At the council of Elrond, he "cast his >sword upon the table, and the blade was in two pieces". I think it was normally stored in the vaults of the First Bank of Rivendell (along with the Dwarves' instruments from Bilbo's party), and that Elrond advised him to bring it out for the Council. :-) -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Cleveland, Ohio, USA http://www.mindspring.com/~brahms/ My reply address is correct as is. The courtesy of providing a correct reply address is more important to me than time spent deleting spam. ###### From: Warren Chang Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Sword that Was Broken Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 23:57:53 -0500 Organization: Hacque, Leeutt and Byrne Lines: 16 Message-ID: <38A24551.700CF2E9@mindspring.com> References: Reply-To: warrenchang@newyorkcity.com NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.28.30 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 10 Feb 2000 04:53:19 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:14078 John Chivers wrote: > > Rather silly, but I've never quite figured out how Aragorn carried "the > shards of Narsil" around with him. At the council of Elrond, he "cast his > sword upon the table, and the blade was in two pieces". Does this mean he > kept the hilt in his scabbard, and the point in his pocket? Did he carry > Narsil at all times? How useful is a broken sword, anyway? Did he carry > another one for non-ceremonial purposes? Good question... How about: - the pieces were attached with a wire, and used like nunchaku. - the blade was in two pieces "a foot below the hilt"... but LENGTHWISE. Basically, he was using an odd-shaped rapier. -Warren ###### From: Christopher Roberson Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Sword that Was Broken Date: 12 Feb 2000 02:38:40 GMT Organization: EnterAct L.L.C. Turbo-Elite News Server Lines: 20 Message-ID: <882h3g$2or$1@eve.enteract.com> References: <87pk11$9g0$1@eve.enteract.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.143.40 X-No-Confirm: Yes User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990624 ("Dawnrazor") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.3-STABLE (i386)) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:14147 Scott Marsden wrote: > Christopher Roberson wrote >> Not to mention that the sword is a priceless heirloom -- it's Elendil's >> sword, for God's sake! Shouldn't it be safely locked away somewhere? > Yeah, you never know who might pick it up. Trolls, perhaps... What, so now I'm a troll? The thread is a little whimsical, maybe, but I'm not trolling. Why _would_ Aragorn carry around an ancient, venerable, broken sword that was of little use in battle? Maybe because the safest place to keep it is right at his side? That's the best answer I can come up with that isn't "Because _showing_ it to people is a more dramatic plot advancement than just _talking_ about it." -- Christopher Roberson ###### Message-ID: <38A4EF32.594A44C5@earthlink.net> From: Brady Severns Reply-To: bradyseverns@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Sword that Was Broken References: <87pk11$9g0$1@eve.enteract.com> <882h3g$2or$1@eve.enteract.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.191.153.137 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 950336608 168.191.153.137 (Fri, 11 Feb 2000 22:23:28 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 22:23:28 PST Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-ELN-Date: Fri Feb 11 22:23:28 2000 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 06:23:28 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!diablo.theplanet.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:14143 Christopher Roberson wrote: > Scott Marsden wrote: > > Christopher Roberson wrote > > >> Not to mention that the sword is a priceless heirloom -- it's Elendil's > >> sword, for God's sake! Shouldn't it be safely locked away somewhere? > > > Yeah, you never know who might pick it up. Trolls, perhaps... > > What, so now I'm a troll? > > The thread is a little whimsical, maybe, but I'm not trolling. Why _would_ > Aragorn carry around an ancient, venerable, broken sword that was of > little use in battle? See the thread "Glamdring and Orcrist" for the troll reference... I don't think Aragorn would have really carried around _all_ the time. At least I don't recall a reference saying that he did. Unless that was what the heir of Elendil had to do. Brady ###### From: YosemiteSamwiseGamgee Subject: Re: Sword that Was Broken Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Message-ID: <0094efe4.6c3096b9@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com> Lines: 11 Bytes: 321 X-Originating-Host: 209.30.67.158 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here References: <87pk11$9g0$1@eve.enteract.com> <882h3g$2or$1@eve.enteract.com> <38A4EF32.594A44C5@earthlink.net> X-Wren-Trace: eMfiysvSld+UldrMyteRmfXS28PRy8nfx9+Ilp6KkNSYj9GRh9aHkQ== Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 23:29:34 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.50 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon2 950340922 10.0.2.50 (Fri, 11 Feb 2000 23:35:22 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 23:35:22 PST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!remarQ.com!supernews.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon2.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:14190 What do trolls (ala Bert and company) call "trolls" (ala newsgroup lingo) when they post on the internet? YosemiteSamwiseGamgee, Head Gardner, Hyro, California. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! ###### From: Ermanna Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Sword that Was Broken Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 08:00:33 -0500 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <38A55971.D8BCD9D8@erols.com> References: <87pk11$9g0$1@eve.enteract.com> <882h3g$2or$1@eve.enteract.com> Reply-To: jsolinas@erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kOykAavk7ifUGTMW/6uHTa7egFYfBbz5QCUujRzAEbI= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Feb 2000 14:42:43 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:14210 Christopher Roberson wrote: > Scott Marsden wrote: > Trolls, perhaps... > > What, so now I'm a troll? No, I think he meant trolls as in the kind Bilbo met. > Christopher Roberson Ermanna the Elven Jedi Knight Ewoks are Hobbits! ###### From: Mia Kalogjera Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Sword that Was Broken Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 12:39:07 -0800 Organization: HiNet Lines: 12 Message-ID: <38A5C4EB.6379@theonering.net> References: <87pk11$9g0$1@eve.enteract.com> <882h3g$2or$1@eve.enteract.com> <38A4EF32.594A44C5@earthlink.net> <0094efe4.6c3096b9@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ar3-p1-ri.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as102.tel.hr 950355275 16459 195.29.237.1 (12 Feb 2000 11:34:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tel.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Feb 2000 11:34:35 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.tli.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!argos.tel.hr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:14213 YosemiteSamwiseGamgee wrote: > > What do trolls (ala Bert and company) call "trolls" (ala newsgroup > lingo) when they post on the internet? Humans? -- [Die andere Seite] http://matrix.crosswinds.net/~jereeza [ TheOneRing.net ] http://www.theonering.net "Without TEUNC, this newsgroup would be ungovernable." E-mail: jereeza(at)yahoo.com or mia(at)theonering.net ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Sword that Was Broken Date: 12 Feb 2000 22:57:59 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6uu2je84ns.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <87pk11$9g0$1@eve.enteract.com> <882h3g$2or$1@eve.enteract.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 950392679 1571 10.0.3.2 (12 Feb 2000 21:57:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Feb 2000 21:57:59 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:14230 Christopher Roberson writes: > Scott Marsden wrote: > > Christopher Roberson wrote > > > Yeah, you never know who might pick it up. Trolls, perhaps... > > What, so now I'm a troll? ROTFL. That says more about Useneters that anything else. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Nerd, Geek, Hacker, Unix Wizzard, Sysadmin, Roleplayer, Mystic Computer: a toy, speeds work so that you have more time to play ###### From: Christopher Roberson Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Sword that Was Broken Date: 13 Feb 2000 03:55:28 GMT Organization: EnterAct L.L.C. Turbo-Elite News Server Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8859vg$kai$1@eve.enteract.com> References: <87pk11$9g0$1@eve.enteract.com> <882h3g$2or$1@eve.enteract.com> <38A55971.D8BCD9D8@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.143.41 X-No-Confirm: Yes User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990624 ("Dawnrazor") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.3-STABLE (i386)) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:14251 Ermanna wrote: > Christopher Roberson wrote: >> Scott Marsden wrote: > >> Trolls, perhaps... >> >> What, so now I'm a troll? > No, I think he meant trolls as in the kind Bilbo met. Oh. Sorry. Never mind... -- Christopher Roberson ###### From: Stefano Cirolini Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Sword that Was Broken Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 15:41:27 +0100 Organization: Centro Servizi Interbusiness Lines: 18 Message-ID: <38A81417.7597F6D2@hotbot.com> References: <87pk11$9g0$1@eve.enteract.com> <882h3g$2or$1@eve.enteract.com> <38A4EF32.594A44C5@earthlink.net> <0094efe4.6c3096b9@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com> <38A5C4EB.6379@theonering.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: alameda.sodalia.it Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/712) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!bignews.mediaways.net!newsfeed.nettuno.it!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:14304 Mia Kalogjera wrote: > > YosemiteSamwiseGamgee wrote: > > > > What do trolls (ala Bert and company) call "trolls" (ala newsgroup > > lingo) when they post on the internet? > As far as I know (which is not too far, given that English isn't my mother language) the newsgroup lingo "troll" comes from "trolling", that means, according to the Webster, "to fish by trailing a lure or baited hook from a moving boat". So, did you byte the bait ? -- Stefano.Cirolini "Can't design. Can't debug. Overweight. Can code a little." ###### X-Originating-Host: 209.30.64.18 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: Re: Sword that Was Broken Lines: 9 From: YosemiteSamwiseGamgee Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Message-ID: <3d3bd7b8.cbc3f0ed@usw-ex0105-036.remarq.com> References: <87pk11$9g0$1@eve.enteract.com> <882h3g$2or$1@eve.enteract.com> <38A4EF32.594A44C5@earthlink.net> <0094efe4.6c3096b9@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com> <38A5C4EB.6379@theonering.net> <38A81417.7597F6D2@hotbot.com> Bytes: 232 X-Wren-Trace: eIaji4qT1J7V1JuNi5bQ2LSTmoKQioiehp7J19/L0ZXZzpDTxpfL Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 03:45:44 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.36 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon2 950614814 10.0.2.36 (Tue, 15 Feb 2000 03:40:14 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 03:40:14 PST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!remarQ.com!supernews.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon2.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:14353 Touche! YosemiteSamwiseGamgee, General Manager, Baggins Byte and Bait Shop * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! ###### From: "David" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <87pk11$9g0$1@eve.enteract.com> <882h3g$2or$1@eve.enteract.com> Subject: Re: Sword that Was Broken Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.38.18.166 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 950643374 38.38.18.166 (Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:36:14 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:36:14 PST Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-ELN-Date: Tue Feb 15 11:36:14 2000 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:36:14 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:14387 Christopher Roberson wrote in message news:882h3g$2or$1@eve.enteract.com... > Scott Marsden wrote: > > Christopher Roberson wrote > > >> Not to mention that the sword is a priceless heirloom -- it's Elendil's > >> sword, for God's sake! Shouldn't it be safely locked away somewhere? > > > Yeah, you never know who might pick it up. Trolls, perhaps... > > What, so now I'm a troll? > > The thread is a little whimsical, maybe, but I'm not trolling. Why _would_ > Aragorn carry around an ancient, venerable, broken sword that was of > little use in battle? > > Maybe because the safest place to keep it is right at his side? That's the > best answer I can come up with that isn't "Because _showing_ it to people > is a more dramatic plot advancement than just _talking_ about it." > The sword was a) a powerful heirloom b) a representation and badge of who Strider was c) a reminder of his goal and quest (to do the impossible - marry an elf and regain a lost kingdom) d) a symbol of the trust and respect placed in him by Elrond e) a connection with his heritage (something Aragorn was very sensitive to) f) a reminder that good could, and would, triumph over evil - a symbol of hope in dark times Who else cared more for the sword than Aragorn? Whose responsibility was it to care for the sword other than Aragorn's and would he have been Aragorn if he was willing to part with it or let it be someone else's responsibility? Aragorn was an idealist and dreamer - not a pratical realist in the inside. Why would have NOT had the sword at all times or at least had it directly under his care? David ###### From: "Gorthaur" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <87p3ou$aqh$1@nclient3-gui.server.dtn.ntl.com> Subject: Re: Sword that Was Broken Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:59:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.9.194.107 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.il.home.com 950781593 24.9.194.107 (Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:59:53 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:59:53 PST Organization: @Home Network Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.il.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:14543 "Graham Jack" wrote in message news:87p3ou$aqh$1@nclient3-gui.server.dtn.ntl.com... > I have a vague feeling that he used the broken bit as a weapon, the blade > would still be sharp so it would just be like a badly balanced short sword > with no point. I'm sure in Aragorn's hands that would still be quite > effective. But when he shows it to the Hobbits, doesn't he say something like "not much use, is it?" or something? Or was at the Council of Elrond. Cause then he says "Soon the time will come when it will be forged anew" (Quotes are not exact of course) Anyway, good question. Gorthaur ###### From: smokybarnable@my-deja.com Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Sword that Was Broken Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:07:28 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <88gvau$3rb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <87pk11$9g0$1@eve.enteract.com> <882h3g$2or$1@eve.enteract.com> <38A4EF32.594A44C5@earthlink.net> <0094efe4.6c3096b9@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.120.155.76 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Feb 17 14:07:28 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.120.155.76 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsmokybarnable Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!bignews.mediaways.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:14455 In article <0094efe4.6c3096b9@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com>, YosemiteSamwiseGamgee wrote: > What do trolls (ala Bert and company) call "trolls" (ala newsgroup > lingo) when they post on the internet? > > YosemiteSamwiseGamgee, > > Head Gardner, > Hyro, California. A light lunch. (I wish!) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.