From: fjake@aol.com (F Jake) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Elves & food Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Feb 2000 06:02:20 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000207010220.29146.00001759@ng-fa1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:13897 Ever wonder where the elves got food? I mean can you picture an elvish farmer?! I suppose you could say they were hunter/gatherers. Trouble with this image is their close relations with animals. If they hunted, the beasts would treat them as they do us mere mortals. Trading with men works but only in the later ages.... Jake ###### Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien From: Michael@xenite.org (Michael Martinez) Subject: Re: Elves & food Organization: Xenite.Org: Science Fiction and Fantasy Message-ID: <87lrpr$3oo_010@news.uswest.net> References: <20000207010220.29146.00001759@ng-fa1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Lines: 18 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 07:21:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.224.147.67 X-Trace: news.uswest.net 949907689 207.224.147.67 (Mon, 07 Feb 2000 01:14:49 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 01:14:49 CST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-out.uswest.net!news.uswest.net.POSTED!xenite1 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:13891 In article <20000207010220.29146.00001759@ng-fa1.aol.com>, fjake@aol.com (F Jake) wrote: > Ever wonder where the elves got food? I mean can you picture an elvish >farmer?! I suppose you could say they were hunter/gatherers. Trouble with this >image is their close relations with animals. If they hunted, the beasts would >treat them as they do us mere mortals. Trading with men works but only in the >later ages.... Elves definitely farmed (or gardened, if you cannot imagine a large farm). Tolkien describes how they grew a special corn, for instance, that was used to make lembas. But the Elves also hunted. Most of them didn't have any particularly close relationship with animals. -- \\ // Science Fiction and Fantasy info@xenite.org \\// LOTR Movie News: http://www.xenite.org/faqs/lotr_movie/ //\\ 1500+ Xena Links: http://www.xenite.org/xor/home.shtml // \\ENITE.org............................................... ###### From: fjake@aol.com (F Jake) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Elves & food Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Feb 2000 14:45:40 GMT References: <87lrpr$3oo_010@news.uswest.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000207094540.29359.00002048@ng-fk1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:13900 >>Tolkien describes how they grew a >>special corn, for instance, that was used >>to make lembas. Where? (I havn't read any of the HOME yet) Jake ###### From: brahms@mindspring.com (Stan Brown) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Elves & food Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:11:21 -0500 Organization: Oak Road Systems Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <20000207010220.29146.00001759@ng-fa1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: c7.ae.b1.f4 X-Server-Date: 7 Feb 2000 15:09:29 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:13979 Said fjake@aol.com (F Jake) in rec.arts.books.tolkien: > Ever wonder where the elves got food? I mean can you picture an elvish >farmer?! I suppose you could say they were hunter/gatherers. Trouble with this >image is their close relations with animals. If they hunted, the beasts would >treat them as they do us mere mortals. Trading with men works but only in the >later ages.... We do know that Elves hunted: remember what went on in Mirkwood in /The Hobbit/. I don't remember a lot of details about what the Elves ate, excepting lembas of course, and that was not daily fare for Elves at home. I always assumed they farmed and raised their own meat animals in nearly self-sufficient communities. Think of small family farms: the family may treat the animals well and even have affection for them until they are killed (humanely, one hopes) for food. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Cleveland, Ohio, USA http://www.mindspring.com/~brahms/ Encyclopedia of Arda: http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.htm Tolkien FAQs: http://home.uchicago.edu/~sbjensen/Tolkien/TolkNgFaq.html (Jensen) http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~gsl9286/aft/faq/ (Loos) Inklings site list: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/GregorArlt/inklings_sites.html more FAQs: http://www.mindspring.com/~brahms/faqget.htm ###### Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien From: Michael@xenite.org (Michael Martinez) Subject: Re: Elves & food Organization: Xenite.Org: Science Fiction and Fantasy Message-ID: <87n0so$3dg_006@news.uswest.net> References: <87lrpr$3oo_010@news.uswest.net> <20000207094540.29359.00002048@ng-fk1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Lines: 14 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 17:54:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.224.147.233 X-Trace: news.uswest.net 949945790 207.224.147.233 (Mon, 07 Feb 2000 11:49:50 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 11:49:50 CST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-out.uswest.net!news.uswest.net.POSTED!xenite1 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:13871 In article <20000207094540.29359.00002048@ng-fk1.aol.com>, fjake@aol.com (F Jake) wrote: >>>Tolkien describes how they grew a special corn, for instance, that was used >>>to make lembas. > >Where? (I havn't read any of the HOME yet) THE PEOPLES OF MIDDLE-EARTH, volume twelve of HOME. -- \\ // Science Fiction and Fantasy info@xenite.org \\// LOTR Movie News: http://www.xenite.org/faqs/lotr_movie/ //\\ 1500+ Xena Links: http://www.xenite.org/xor/home.shtml // \\ENITE.org............................................... ###### From: "Ernil i giliath" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Elves & food Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:03:22 -0000 Message-ID: <949957393.28104.0.nnrp-03.d4e49a11@news.demon.co.uk> References: <87lrpr$3oo_010@news.uswest.net> <20000207094540.29359.00002048@ng-fk1.aol.com> <87n0so$3dg_006@news.uswest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: qualitop.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: qualitop.demon.co.uk:212.228.154.17 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 949957393 nnrp-03:28104 NO-IDENT qualitop.demon.co.uk:212.228.154.17 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Lines: 23 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!diablo.theplanet.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!qualitop.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:13970 written by who? not JRRT that's for sure "Michael Martinez" wrote in message news:87n0so$3dg_006@news.uswest.net... > In article <20000207094540.29359.00002048@ng-fk1.aol.com>, fjake@aol.com (F Jake) wrote: > >>>Tolkien describes how they grew a special corn, for instance, that was used > >>>to make lembas. > > > >Where? (I havn't read any of the HOME yet) > > THE PEOPLES OF MIDDLE-EARTH, volume twelve of HOME. > > > -- > \\ // Science Fiction and Fantasy info@xenite.org > \\// LOTR Movie News: http://www.xenite.org/faqs/lotr_movie/ > //\\ 1500+ Xena Links: http://www.xenite.org/xor/home.shtml > // \\ENITE.org............................................... ###### Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien From: Michael@xenite.org (Michael Martinez) Subject: Re: Elves & food Organization: Xenite.Org: Science Fiction and Fantasy Message-ID: <87nios$19c_002@news.uswest.net> References: <87lrpr$3oo_010@news.uswest.net> <20000207094540.29359.00002048@ng-fk1.aol.com> <87n0so$3dg_006@news.uswest.net> <949957393.28104.0.nnrp-03.d4e49a11@news.demon.co.uk> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Lines: 23 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 22:59:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.224.148.100 X-Trace: news.uswest.net 949963978 207.224.148.100 (Mon, 07 Feb 2000 16:52:58 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 16:52:58 CST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-out.uswest.net!news.uswest.net.POSTED!xenite1 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:13873 In article <949957393.28104.0.nnrp-03.d4e49a11@news.demon.co.uk>, "Ernil i giliath" wrote: >"Michael Martinez" wrote in message >news:87n0so$3dg_006@news.uswest.net... >> In article <20000207094540.29359.00002048@ng-fk1.aol.com>, fjake@aol.com >(F Jake) wrote: >> >>>Tolkien describes how they grew a special corn, for instance, that was >> >>>used to make lembas. >> > >> >Where? (I havn't read any of the HOME yet) >> >> THE PEOPLES OF MIDDLE-EARTH, volume twelve of HOME. > >written by who? not JRRT that's for sure The essay was written by J.R.R. Tolkien. The book was compiled by his son Christopher. -- \\ // Science Fiction and Fantasy info@xenite.org \\// LOTR Movie News: http://www.xenite.org/faqs/lotr_movie/ //\\ 1500+ Xena Links: http://www.xenite.org/xor/home.shtml // \\ENITE.org............................................... ###### Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Elves & food References: <87lrpr$3oo_010@news.uswest.net> <20000207094540.29359.00002048@ng-fk1.aol.com> <87n0so$3dg_006@news.uswest.net> <949957393.28104.0.nnrp-03.d4e49a11@news.demon.co.uk> X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test70 (17 January 1999) From: sbjensen@midway.uchicago.edu (Steuard Jensen) Lines: 34 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 00:42:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.135.12.7 X-Trace: uchinews 949970548 128.135.12.7 (Mon, 07 Feb 2000 18:42:28 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 18:42:28 CST Organization: The University of Chicago Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!uchinews!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:13998 [Michael said:] ) Tolkien describes how they grew a special corn, for instance, ) that was used to make lembas. [Someone asked "Where?"] "Michael Martinez" wrote: > > THE PEOPLES OF MIDDLE-EARTH, volume twelve of HOME. Quoth "Ernil i giliath" : > written by who? not JRRT that's for sure Of course not JRRT. As all should know, most of the essays in _The Peoples of Middle-earth_ were written by Piers Anthony, with the notable exception of "The Shibboleth of Feanor", which was written by Terry Brooks. This should come as no surprise to those who realize that HoMe X-XI were composed almost entirely by Terry Pratchett. Seriously, now, who do you _think_ Michael would be quoting here? It's a matter of taste whether one accepts JRRT's (sometimes contradictory) essays in HoMe as more or less canonical than Christopher's (sometimes erroneous) reconstructions in the published _Silmarillion_. Whether you accept HoMe as canonical or not, though, those essays _were_ written by JRR Tolkien. Not to sound accusatory, but, um, why exactly were you so convinced that JRR Tolkien hadn't written that essay? Incidentally, the essay in question is "Of Lembas", one of the "Teachings of Pengolodh". Christopher believes it to have been written between 1951 and 1959, probably earlier in the period rather than later. It's barely over a page in length, two if you include footnotes. Steuard Jensen ###### From: "brimstone9" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <20000207010220.29146.00001759@ng-fa1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Elves & food Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 22:14:28 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.108.37.213 X-Trace: news.uswest.net 949983328 207.108.37.213 (Mon, 07 Feb 2000 22:15:28 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 22:15:28 CST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-out.uswest.net!news.uswest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:13927 I don't think that it is necessarily true that the animals would shun them. Do rabbits treat wolves like humans? Everything has its place, and the Elven style of living would most likely embrace this "order". In summation: you have to eat. thoughts? "F Jake" wrote in message news:20000207010220.29146.00001759@ng-fa1.aol.com... Ever wonder where the elves got food? I mean can you picture an elvish farmer?! I suppose you could say they were hunter/gatherers. Trouble with this image is their close relations with animals. If they hunted, the beasts would treat them as they do us mere mortals. Trading with men works but only in the later ages.... Jake ###### From: Chris Csernica Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Elves & food Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 23:54:23 -0800 Organization: Lockheed Martin Corporation Lines: 17 Message-ID: <389FCBAF.A80BD04@ihwy.com> References: <20000207010220.29146.00001759@ng-fa1.aol.com> Reply-To: csernica@ihwy.com NNTP-Posting-Host: SVL78ZT836.lmms.lmco.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!diablo.theplanet.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!denver-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!coop.net!newsfeed1.global.lmco.com!svlss.lmms.lmco.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:13990 brimstone9 wrote: > > I don't think that it is necessarily true that the animals would shun them. > Do rabbits treat wolves like humans? Yes. If anything, they're more afraid of wolves. I've known rabbits - domesticated, of course - that were very relaxed around humans. I've never met a rabbit that could do the same around a dog. Or a wolf. > Everything has its place, and the > Elven style of living would most likely embrace this "order". In summation: > you have to eat. Are you laboring under the impression that animals aren't afraid other animals higher up in the food chain? How odd. -- Chris Csernica ###### From: Robert Brady Subject: Re: Elves & food Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <87lrpr$3oo_010@news.uswest.net> <20000207094540.29359.00002048@ng-fk1.aol.com> <87n0so$3dg_006@news.uswest.net> <949957393.28104.0.nnrp-03.d4e49a11@news.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: rwb197@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-URL: http://www.aber.mud.org/ X-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990517 ("Psychonaut") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.11 (i686)) NNTP-Posting-Host: connelly.ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-ID: <38a055ed@news.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Date: 8 Feb 2000 17:44:13 GMT X-Trace: 8 Feb 2000 17:44:13 GMT, connelly.ecs.soton.ac.uk Lines: 9 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.freedom2surf.net!news.vas-net.net!server2.netnews.ja.net!news-spool.soton.ac.uk!news.ecs.soton.ac.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:13847 Ernil i giliath wrote: >written by who? not JRRT that's for sure It, like the other eleven volumes, and /Unfinished Tales/ is a compilation of assorted stuff written by JRRT, with notes by his literary executor, CJRT. -- Robert ###### From: Ermanna Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Elves & food Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 08:10:45 -0500 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <38A015D5.55389996@erols.com> References: <20000207010220.29146.00001759@ng-fa1.aol.com> Reply-To: jsolinas@erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sFOwcrjBGjZO4jeS1boXCCGmfIa8fsfTh9IvH/zgm/A= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Feb 2000 21:59:29 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:14013 F Jake wrote: > Ever wonder where the elves got food? Not really. > I mean can you picture an elvish > farmer?! Yes. If you need proof that Elves farmed then look at Galadriel's gift to Sam. Dirt from her orchard. > Jake Ermanna the Elven Jedi Knight Elbereth Gilthoniel! ###### Reply-To: "Conrad Dunkerson" From: "Conrad Dunkerson" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <87lrpr$3oo_010@news.uswest.net> <20000207094540.29359.00002048@ng-fk1.aol.com> <87n0so$3dg_006@news.uswest.net> <949957393.28104.0.nnrp-03.d4e49a11@news.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Elves & food Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 21:50:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.79.25.247 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 950046646 12.79.25.247 (Tue, 08 Feb 2000 21:50:46 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 21:50:46 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newsfeed.nacamar.de!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:14004 Steuard Jensen wrote in message news:UDJn4.116$G3.1332@uchinews... > Not to sound accusatory, but, um, why exactly were you so > convinced that JRR Tolkien hadn't written that essay? It's easy to forget around here, but I've often run into a public misconception that Christopher took up writing fiction in his father's world. Alot of people think that everything in Silm, UT, and HoME I - XII was entirely Christopher's creation. ###### Message-ID: <38A09A84.262E4473@arrakis.es> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 23:36:52 +0100 From: Javier Caselli X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Elves & food References: <87lrpr$3oo_010@news.uswest.net> <20000207094540.29359.00002048@ng-fk1.aol.com> <87n0so$3dg_006@news.uswest.net> <949957393.28104.0.nnrp-03.d4e49a11@news.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.5.71.129 X-Trace: 8 Feb 2000 23:34:43 +0100, 195.5.71.129 Organization: Arrakis Servicios y Comunicaciones SLU Lines: 16 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-MUC.ecrc.net!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.bt.es!news.arrakis.es!195.5.71.129 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:14019 Steuard Jensen wrote: > Of course not JRRT. As all should know, most of the essays in _The > Peoples of Middle-earth_ were written by Piers Anthony, with the > notable exception of "The Shibboleth of Feanor", which was written by > Terry Brooks. This should come as no surprise to those who realize > that HoMe X-XI were composed almost entirely by Terry Pratchett. > > Steuard Jensen If that were so, HoME X-XI would definitively be very good for a laugh!! I discovered Terry Pratchetta little while ago and his is very good!! :-) ###### Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Elves & food References: <87lrpr$3oo_010@news.uswest.net> <949957393.28104.0.nnrp-03.d4e49a11@news.demon.co.uk> X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test70 (17 January 1999) From: sbjensen@midway.uchicago.edu (Steuard Jensen) Lines: 12 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 22:47:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.135.12.7 X-Trace: uchinews 950050058 128.135.12.7 (Tue, 08 Feb 2000 16:47:38 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 16:47:38 CST Organization: The University of Chicago Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.icl.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!uchinews!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:14062 Quoth "Conrad Dunkerson" : > It's easy to forget around here, but I've often run into a public > misconception that Christopher took up writing fiction in his > father's world. Alot of people think that everything in Silm, UT, > and HoME I - XII was entirely Christopher's creation. You know, I _have_ seen that before, now that you mention it. I've also seen a variation in which they believe that Silm (and _perhaps_ UT) _was_ written by JRRT, but that Christopher wrote HoMe himself. Ironic, that, considering how nearly opposite it is from the truth in some places. Steuard Jensen ###### From: Chris Csernica Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Elves & food Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 21:15:52 -0800 Organization: Lockheed Martin Corporation Lines: 9 Message-ID: <38A0F808.DA31C3ED@ihwy.com> References: <20000207010220.29146.00001759@ng-fa1.aol.com> <38A015D5.55389996@erols.com> Reply-To: csernica@ihwy.com NNTP-Posting-Host: SVL78ZT836.lmms.lmco.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!newsfeed3.global.lmco.com!svlss.lmms.lmco.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:14061 Ermanna wrote: > Yes. If you need proof that Elves farmed then look at Galadriel's gift > to Sam. Dirt from her orchard. Boy it must be great to be Galadriel. "Here, Sam! Have some dirt!" And he's *thankful* for it anyway! -- Chris Csernica ###### From: chuckb@aztec.asu.edu (CHUCK BRAMLET) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Elves & food Date: 9 Feb 2000 19:03:14 GMT Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ (USA) Lines: 9 Message-ID: <87sdli$gem$1@news.asu.edu> References: <38A0F808.DA31C3ED@ihwy.com> <20000207010220.29146.00001759@ng-fa1.aol.com> <38A015D5.55389996@erols.com> Reply-To: chuckb@aztec.asu.edu (CHUCK BRAMLET) NNTP-Posting-Host: aztec2.asu.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!ncar!noao!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!news.asu.edu!aztec.asu.edu!chuckb Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:14073 In a previous article, csernica@ihwy.com (Chris Csernica) says: >Boy it must be great to be Galadriel. "Here, Sam! Have some dirt!" >And he's *thankful* for it anyway! Considering what effect it had on the Shire, he darn-well _should_ have been. --