From: free@freedom.gov Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Is LOTR online somewhere in book form? Message-ID: <385eab8b.276356391@news.inetworld.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 4 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:23:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.188.11.63 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 945728658 216.188.11.63 (Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:24:18 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:24:18 CDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!netnews.globalip.ch!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Is there some site or page where the books are on the web where I can read the books online? ###### From: brahms@mindspring.com (Stan Brown) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Is LOTR online somewhere in book form? Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:52:08 -0500 Organization: Oak Road Systems Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <385eab8b.276356391@news.inetworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: c7.ae.b2.64 X-Server-Date: 21 Dec 1999 02:50:17 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!iol.ie!newsfeed.icl.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail With just over 12 months remaining in the millennium, free@freedom.gov (free@freedom.gov) wrote in rec.arts.books.tolkien: >Is there some site or page where the books are on the web where I can >read the books online? In the words of the FAQs: No. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Cleveland, Ohio, USA http://www.mindspring.com/~brahms/ Encyclopedia of Arda: http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.htm Tolkien FAQs: http://home.uchicago.edu/~sbjensen/Tolkien/TolkNgFaq.html (Jensen) http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~gsl9286/aft/faq/ (Loos) Inklings site list: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/GregorArlt/inklings_sites.html more FAQs: http://www.mindspring.com/~brahms/faqget.htm ###### Message-ID: <385EC1CC.AE2FFA7F@gofree.indigo.ie> From: Jones & McAuley Reply-To: jonmca@gofree.indigo.ie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Is LOTR online somewhere in book form? References: <385eab8b.276356391@news.inetworld.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:54:53 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.125.172.197 X-Complaints-To: news@indigo.ie X-Trace: news.indigo.ie 945734131 194.125.172.197 (Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:55:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:55:31 GMT Organization: Indigo Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail free@freedom.gov wrote: > Is there some site or page where the books are on the web where I can > read the books online? There should not be, since the books are still in copyright, so any such site would be breaching copyright. If there is such a site, it is illegal. Eoin ###### From: free@freedom.gov Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Is LOTR online somewhere in book form? Message-ID: <385ecce3.284893523@news.inetworld.net> References: <385eab8b.276356391@news.inetworld.net> <385EC1CC.AE2FFA7F@gofree.indigo.ie> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 15 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 00:43:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.188.11.63 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 945737079 216.188.11.63 (Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:44:39 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:44:39 CDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:54:53 +0000, Jones & McAuley wrote: >free@freedom.gov wrote: > >> Is there some site or page where the books are on the web where I can >> read the books online? > >There should not be, since the books are still in copyright, so any such site would be breaching copyright. If there is such a site, it is illegal. > >Eoin > > Well, thanks anyway. Guess I'll just have to read it in paper format. Wish it came on CD-ROM.... ###### From: free@freedom.gov Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Is LOTR online somewhere in book form? Message-ID: <386010a5.367787982@news.inetworld.net> References: <385eab8b.276356391@news.inetworld.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 30 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:48:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.188.11.28 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 945820175 216.188.11.28 (Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:49:35 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:49:35 CDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!newsrouter.chello.at!news-MUC.ecrc.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:52:08 -0500, brahms@mindspring.com (Stan Brown) wrote: >With just over 12 months remaining in the millennium, free@freedom.gov >(free@freedom.gov) wrote in rec.arts.books.tolkien: >>Is there some site or page where the books are on the web where I can >>read the books online? > >In the words of the FAQs: > > > No. > > >-- >Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Cleveland, Ohio, USA > http://www.mindspring.com/~brahms/ >Encyclopedia of Arda: http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.htm >Tolkien FAQs: > http://home.uchicago.edu/~sbjensen/Tolkien/TolkNgFaq.html (Jensen) > http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~gsl9286/aft/faq/ (Loos) >Inklings site list: > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/GregorArlt/inklings_sites.html >more FAQs: http://www.mindspring.com/~brahms/faqget.htm And I thank you for your very kind and unsarcastic (not to mention a little slow) help on that one, oh god-of-all-things-tolkien-related-probably-including-small-strange-looking-plastic-figurines-of-wizards-and-dragons. ###### From: tharkun@DONT-SPAM-MEcrosswinds.net Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Is LOTR online somewhere in book form? Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 16:56:08 +0100 Organization: unorganized Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <385eab8b.276356391@news.inetworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ar3-p3-ri.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as102.tel.hr 946137398 808 195.29.237.3 (25 Dec 1999 15:56:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tel.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Dec 1999 15:56:38 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newsfeed.cwix.com!argos.tel.hr!not-for-mail On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:52:08 -0500, brahms@mindspring.com (Stan Brown) wrote: >>Is there some site or page where the books are on the web where I can >>read the books online? > >In the words of the FAQs: > > No. There is, however, a site, that offers various books of Tolkien (LotR, Silm, UT, parts of HoME) as WinWord files for downloading. Since this is clearly illegal, I am *not* going to advertise the URL of that site. The only person(s) to whom I would reveal the URL are members of the Tolkien estate, so that they could undertake appropriate actions. BTW: if you want proof, that I'm not just making this up, I can tell you that LotR consists of 528137 words, and that the name "Frodo" is mentioned 2039 times. As I didn't count this by hand, you can believe me that I indeed have it as a WinWord file. ###### Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien From: Michael@xenite.org (Michael Martinez) Subject: Re: Is LOTR online somewhere in book form? Organization: Xenite.Org: Science Fiction and Fantasy Message-ID: <843tbn$1p0_002@news.usenetserver.com> References: <385eab8b.276356391@news.inetworld.net> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Lines: 15 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 21:03:37 EST Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 02:08:55 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!cyclone-l3!cyclone-l3.usenetserver.com!news4.usenetserver.com.POSTED!xenite1 In article , tharkun@DONT-SPAM-MEcrosswinds.net wrote: >BTW: if you want proof, that I'm not just making this up, I can tell >you that LotR consists of 528137 words, and that the name "Frodo" is >mentioned 2039 times. As I didn't count this by hand, you can believe >me that I indeed have it as a WinWord file. Since you're unwilling to tell anyone where to find the downloadable file(s), how are we to know your counts aren't made up? -- \\ // Science Fiction and Fantasy info@xenite.org \\// Looking for Web-based discussion forums? //\\ Check out the Message Board Directory! // \\ENITE.org............................................... ###### From: tharkun@DONT-SPAM-MEcrosswinds.net Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Is LOTR online somewhere in book form? Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 15:41:41 +0100 Organization: unorganized Lines: 23 Message-ID: <9ChmOHxU4lMPcAq8mHHYwk+XIhKW@4ax.com> References: <385eab8b.276356391@news.inetworld.net> <843tbn$1p0_002@news.usenetserver.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ar3-p118-ri.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as102.tel.hr 946219333 9405 195.29.237.118 (26 Dec 1999 14:42:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tel.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Dec 1999 14:42:13 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!argos.tel.hr!not-for-mail On Sun, 26 Dec 1999 02:08:55 GMT, Michael@xenite.org (Michael Martinez) wrote: >>BTW: if you want proof, that I'm not just making this up, I can tell >>you that LotR consists of 528137 words, and that the name "Frodo" is >>mentioned 2039 times. As I didn't count this by hand, you can believe >>me that I indeed have it as a WinWord file. > >Since you're unwilling to tell anyone where to find the downloadable file(s), >how are we to know your counts aren't made up? First of all, it's not true that I'm not unwilling to tell *anyone* where to find the files (if you had read my post properly, you would have noticed *whom* I would tell). Secondly, if you really doubt me, you could go ahead and count yourself. If you think that's not worth the effort, but still feel the need to verify my claim, just open the LotR at some random page, and ask me a half-sentence (without context, so that I cannot guess where it comes from) - you will see that I'll be able finish the sentence anyway. ###### Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien From: Michael@xenite.org (Michael Martinez) Subject: Re: Is LOTR online somewhere in book form? Organization: Xenite.Org: Science Fiction and Fantasy Message-ID: <845deb$16s_002@news.usenetserver.com> References: <385eab8b.276356391@news.inetworld.net> <843tbn$1p0_002@news.usenetserver.com> <9ChmOHxU4lMPcAq8mHHYwk+XIhKW@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Lines: 39 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 10:44:11 EST Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 15:49:31 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!EU.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone-l3!cyclone-l3.usenetserver.com!news4.usenetserver.com.POSTED!xenite1 In article <9ChmOHxU4lMPcAq8mHHYwk+XIhKW@4ax.com>, tharkun@DONT-SPAM-MEcrosswinds.net wrote: >On Sun, 26 Dec 1999 02:08:55 GMT, Michael@xenite.org (Michael >Martinez) wrote: > >>>BTW: if you want proof, that I'm not just making this up, I can tell >>>you that LotR consists of 528137 words, and that the name "Frodo" is >>>mentioned 2039 times. As I didn't count this by hand, you can believe >>>me that I indeed have it as a WinWord file. >> >>Since you're unwilling to tell anyone where to find the downloadable file(s), >>how are we to know your counts aren't made up? > >First of all, it's not true that I'm not unwilling to tell *anyone* >where to find the files (if you had read my post properly, you would >have noticed *whom* I would tell). First of all, by saying "it's not true that I'm not unwilling", you're actually saying "it's true that I'm unwilling." Secondly, the Tolkien Estate is not "anyone" -- particularly not anyone who is online (which is what I meant by "anyone"). >Secondly, if you really doubt me, you could go ahead and count >yourself. Sure, just tell me where to download the files, I'll be glad to exonerate your name. As for opening the book at some random page, that's absurd. Anyone would be able to find out where I was taking the citation from and check their own copy. (And that 'anyone' refers to ANYONE who is online, since only online people would know what passages I was citing.) -- \\ // Science Fiction and Fantasy info@xenite.org \\// Looking for Web-based discussion forums? //\\ Check out the Message Board Directory! // \\ENITE.org............................................... ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Is LOTR online somewhere in book form? Date: 26 Dec 1999 23:10:25 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 55 Sender: neil@chonsp.franklin.ch Message-ID: <6uso0pnyjx.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <385eab8b.276356391@news.inetworld.net> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 tharkun@DONT-SPAM-MEcrosswinds.net writes: > > On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:52:08 -0500, brahms@mindspring.com (Stan Brown) > wrote: > > >>Is there some site or page where the books are on the web where I can > >>read the books online? Yes. > >In the words of the FAQs: > > > > No. The FAQ errs. > There is, however, a site, that offers various books of Tolkien (LotR, > Silm, UT, parts of HoME) as WinWord files for downloading. Texts by John Ronald Reuel Tolkien
Note that the site is in Russian, e.g. cyrillic writing. If you have no cyrillic font installed the entire Text of the site will appear as a big mess. You will though find a few roman lettered word in the text. These are the links to the english versions of the texts. > Since this > is clearly illegal, I am *not* going to advertise the URL of that > site. Luckily for Stan Brown I do not have such reservations. > The only person(s) to whom I would reveal the URL are members of the > Tolkien estate, so that they could undertake appropriate actions. Which is unlikely, as the site is in Russia, where they really could not care less for copyright, they have larger problems to solve. > BTW: if you want proof, that I'm not just making this up, I can tell > you that LotR consists of 528137 words, and that the name "Frodo" is > mentioned 2039 times. As I didn't count this by hand, you can believe > me that I indeed have it as a WinWord file. Or download and count. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ ###### Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien From: Michael@xenite.org (Michael Martinez) Subject: Re: Is LOTR online somewhere in book form? Organization: Xenite.Org: Science Fiction and Fantasy Message-ID: <846n86$2ls_014@news.usenetserver.com> References: <385eab8b.276356391@news.inetworld.net> <843tbn$1p0_002@news.usenetserver.com> <9ChmOHxU4lMPcAq8mHHYwk+XIhKW@4ax.com> <845deb$16s_002@news.usenetserver.com> <7qRmOBzzaTW=hHxwct526ACrkRvf@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Lines: 39 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 22:37:47 EST Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 03:43:02 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!demos!news2.aha.ru!MTU.ru!mtu.ru!cyclone-l3!cyclone-l3.usenetserver.com!news4.usenetserver.com.POSTED!xenite1 In article <7qRmOBzzaTW=hHxwct526ACrkRvf@4ax.com>, tharkun@DONT-SPAM-MEcrosswinds.net wrote: >On Sun, 26 Dec 1999 15:49:31 GMT, Michael@xenite.org (Michael >Martinez) wrote: >>Secondly, the Tolkien Estate is not "anyone" -- particularly not anyone who is >>online (which is what I meant by "anyone"). > >The Tolkien Estate (respectively the members of it) is "someone". But *I* decide whom my "anyone" refers to. >>>Secondly, if you really doubt me, you could go ahead and count >>>yourself. >> >>Sure, just tell me where to download the files, I'll be glad to >>exonerate your name. > >You could also count "by hand", if you are motivated enough to do so. Why should I? But then, it looks like Neil Franklin has spoiled by fun. >Why should I tell you? Are you member of the Tolkien Estate? > >In case you aren't, and if you want to help, that the files are >removed from the site, you could tell me a contact address of the >Tolkien Estate (ordinary postal address would be fine), and I'll be >glad to inform them directly, so that they can undertake the >appropriate legal actions, if they want to. As Mr. Franklin pointed out, there is nothing the Tolkien Estate (or you, I, or anyone else) can do about the files. -- \\ // Science Fiction and Fantasy info@xenite.org \\// Looking for Web-based discussion forums? //\\ Check out the Message Board Directory! // \\ENITE.org............................................... ###### From: "David" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <385eab8b.276356391@news.inetworld.net> <843tbn$1p0_002@news.usenetserver.com> <9ChmOHxU4lMPcAq8mHHYwk+XIhKW@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Is LOTR online somewhere in book form? Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:22:07 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.49.109 X-Trace: news1.mia 946351478 209.214.49.109 (Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:24:38 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:24:38 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!EU.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net.MISMATCH!newsfeed.atl!news1.mia.POSTED!not-for-mail Saying something such as that means that you still have these Word copies of the LotR. Since you insist that they are illegal, why do you still have them? wrote in message news:9ChmOHxU4lMPcAq8mHHYwk+XIhKW@4ax.com... > On Sun, 26 Dec 1999 02:08:55 GMT, Michael@xenite.org (Michael > Martinez) wrote: > > >>BTW: if you want proof, that I'm not just making this up, I can tell > >>you that LotR consists of 528137 words, and that the name "Frodo" is > >>mentioned 2039 times. As I didn't count this by hand, you can believe > >>me that I indeed have it as a WinWord file. > > > >Since you're unwilling to tell anyone where to find the downloadable file(s), > >how are we to know your counts aren't made up? > > First of all, it's not true that I'm not unwilling to tell *anyone* > where to find the files (if you had read my post properly, you would > have noticed *whom* I would tell). > > Secondly, if you really doubt me, you could go ahead and count > yourself. > > If you think that's not worth the effort, but still feel the need to > verify my claim, just open the LotR at some random page, and ask me a > half-sentence (without context, so that I cannot guess where it comes > from) - you will see that I'll be able finish the sentence anyway. > ###### From: "Scripts" Subject: Re: Is LOTR online somewhere in book form? Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <385eab8b.276356391@news.inetworld.net> Message-ID: <01bf5144$fe9fe160$5a16a8c0@4vi3d-bais2885> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 33 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:14:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.45.32.51 X-Trace: typhoon1.gnilink.net 946394040 199.45.32.51 (Tue, 28 Dec 1999 10:14:00 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 10:14:00 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!cyclone2.gnilink.net!typhoon1.gnilink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Yes. Go to http://freemoviescripts.com Check out the novel section. From: http://simplyscripts.home.att.net tharkun@DONT-SPAM-MEcrosswinds.net wrote in article ... > On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:52:08 -0500, brahms@mindspring.com (Stan Brown) > wrote: > > >>Is there some site or page where the books are on the web where I can > >>read the books online? > > > >In the words of the FAQs: > > > > No. > > There is, however, a site, that offers various books of Tolkien (LotR, > Silm, UT, parts of HoME) as WinWord files for downloading. Since this > is clearly illegal, I am *not* going to advertise the URL of that > site. > > The only person(s) to whom I would reveal the URL are members of the > Tolkien estate, so that they could undertake appropriate actions. > > > BTW: if you want proof, that I'm not just making this up, I can tell > you that LotR consists of 528137 words, and that the name "Frodo" is > mentioned 2039 times. As I didn't count this by hand, you can believe > me that I indeed have it as a WinWord file. > > ###### From: "David" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Is LOTR online somewhere in book form? Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 04:21:49 -0600 Organization: Edge-Internet-Services Lines: 41 Message-ID: <844mkl$t92$1@news.eisa.net.au> References: <385eab8b.276356391@news.inetworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pppm15-77.eisa.net.au X-Trace: news.eisa.net.au 946200021 29986 203.166.227.77 (26 Dec 1999 09:20:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@news.eisa.net.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Dec 1999 09:20:21 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!newsrouter.chello.at!news-MUC.ecrc.net!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!newsserver.pacific.net.au!news.mel.ausbone.net!news.internex.net.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!news.eisa.net.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:12047 Just so I get this get straight - you decry the practice as illegal - yet you have obviously downloaded the files. You could reveal the URL to the relevant authorities, but the tone of your post suggests that you have not done so. Doesn't that smell just a tiny bit hypocritical to you? Someone with real integrity would not just wax lyrical about taking the moral high ground by not posting a URL. They would delete their illegal copies of the book, contact the owners of the site and tell them they have 24 hours to remove the offending material and they *would* notify the powers that be - not simply say they could do so if they wanted to. Do the right thing David wrote in message news:DelkOA3YThSEC6FSvI7rp6meYd2p@4ax.com... > On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:52:08 -0500, brahms@mindspring.com (Stan Brown) > wrote: > > >>Is there some site or page where the books are on the web where I can > >>read the books online? > > > >In the words of the FAQs: > > > > No. > > There is, however, a site, that offers various books of Tolkien (LotR, > Silm, UT, parts of HoME) as WinWord files for downloading. Since this > is clearly illegal, I am *not* going to advertise the URL of that > site. > > The only person(s) to whom I would reveal the URL are members of the > Tolkien estate, so that they could undertake appropriate actions. > > > BTW: if you want proof, that I'm not just making this up, I can tell > you that LotR consists of 528137 words, and that the name "Frodo" is > mentioned 2039 times. As I didn't count this by hand, you can believe > me that I indeed have it as a WinWord file. > ###### Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Is LOTR online somewhere in book form? From: rpresser@NOSPAMimtek.com.invalid (Ross Presser) References: <385eab8b.276356391@news.inetworld.net> <844mkl$t92$1@news.eisa.net.au> Organization: Imtek, Inc. Message-ID: <8EB0A7BB1pt101594@199.45.45.11> User-Agent: Xnews/Y2K-SE Lines: 30 Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 21:22:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.204.202.202 X-Trace: typhoon2.gnilink.net 946934529 151.204.202.202 (Mon, 03 Jan 2000 16:22:09 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 16:22:09 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!news.idt.net!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!199.45.45.9!cyclone2.gnilink.net!typhoon2.gnilink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:12180 alt.distinguished.beladan@eisa.net.au (David).wrote.posted.offered: >Just so I get this get straight - you decry the practice as illegal >- yet you have obviously downloaded the files. You could reveal the >URL to the relevant authorities, but the tone of your post suggests >that you have not done so. Doesn't that smell just a tiny bit >hypocritical to you? > >Someone with real integrity would not just wax lyrical about taking >the moral high ground by not posting a URL. They would delete their >illegal copies of the book, contact the owners of the site and tell >them they have 24 hours to remove the offending material and they >*would* notify the powers that be - not simply say they could do so >if they wanted to. > >Do the right thing The URL (or at least *a* URL) was given by someone else in the thread. It turns out to be on a machine in the .ru domain, which implies that it would be hard to enforce copyright. You are quite right about the hypocrisy of keeping (and using!) the illegal files, however. -- Ross Presser ross_presser@imtek.com "And if you're the kind of person who parties with a bathtub full of pasta, I suspect you don't care much about cholesterol anyway." ###### From: brahms@mindspring.com (Stan Brown) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Is LOTR online somewhere in book form? Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 02:47:02 -0500 Organization: Oak Road Systems Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <385eab8b.276356391@news.inetworld.net> <844mkl$t92$1@news.eisa.net.au> <8EB0A7BB1pt101594@199.45.45.11> NNTP-Posting-Host: c7.ae.b1.ea X-Server-Date: 4 Jan 2000 07:44:16 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newsmaster-01.vbs.at!newsrouter.chello.at!news-MUC.ecrc.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:12231 With about a year left in the millennium, rpresser@NOSPAMimtek.com.invalid (Ross Presser) wrote in rec.arts.books.tolkien: >You are quite right about the hypocrisy of keeping (and using!) the >illegal files, however. At the risk of opening a can of worms, could we explore this a bit? It's clear to me that keeping and using the illegal files is illegal if one does it instead of buying a copy of the books in question. But if one already has a copy (or more than one) of the books, do the files become legal "archive copies" analogous to archive copies of software? I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know whether that holds water. Anyone know for certain? I'll post a query to misc.legal.moderated, where some Real Lawyers hang out, and we can read what they say. (I'll post a summary back here so you don't have to subscribe to another newsgroup.) -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Cleveland, Ohio, USA http://www.mindspring.com/~brahms/ Encyclopedia of Arda: http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.htm Tolkien FAQs: http://home.uchicago.edu/~sbjensen/Tolkien/TolkNgFaq.html (Jensen) http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~gsl9286/aft/faq/ (Loos) Inklings site list: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/GregorArlt/inklings_sites.html more FAQs: http://www.mindspring.com/~brahms/faqget.htm ###### From: "Conrad Dunkerson" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Is LOTR online somewhere in book form? Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 05:30:59 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <84sifr$kpk$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <385eab8b.276356391@news.inetworld.net> <844mkl$t92$1@news.eisa.net.au> <8EB0A7BB1pt101594@199.45.45.11> Reply-To: "Conrad Dunkerson" NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.79.22.107 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 946982203 21300 12.79.22.107 (4 Jan 2000 10:36:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jan 2000 10:36:43 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.nextra.ch!newsfeed1.online.no!newsfeed.online.no!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!204.127.161.3!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:12224 Stan Brown wrote in message news:MPG.12db6f7a51d9c9e798a8ab@news.mindspring.com... > rpresser@NOSPAMimtek.com.invalid (Ross Presser) wrote in > rec.arts.books.tolkien: >> You are quite right about the hypocrisy of keeping (and using!) >> the illegal files, however. > At the risk of opening a can of worms, could we explore this a > bit? My understanding, based on my near total ignorance of legal matters, is that you are allowed to copy portions of a work for limited use but not the entire document. It MIGHT be that you can make a full copy so long as you do not distribute this to anyone else... that is how I understand copyright on music to work for instance, you can make a tape copy for yourself but it is illegal to give it to someone else. Now, >receiving< a copy from someone else might also be illegal, though that doesn't seem to make sense if making one yourself is not. We've had much more knowledgeable explanations of this in the recent past which ought to be archived on Deja. ###### From: "Angela P Jones" Subject: Re: Is LOTR online somewhere in book form? Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <385eab8b.276356391@news.inetworld.net> <844mkl$t92$1@news.eisa.net.au> <8EB0A7BB1pt101594@199.45.45.11> <84sifr$kpk$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <01bf5751$598f6340$e094a4d1@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 NNTP-Posting-Host: elkppp224.dpnet.net Date: 4 Jan 2000 23:58:04 -0500 X-Trace: 4 Jan 2000 23:58:04 -0500, elkppp224.dpnet.net Lines: 39 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!netnews.com!news.dpnet.net!elkppp224.dpnet.net Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:12248 It is my understanding that if you own all of the books then you can have on-line versions. If you own the books then I personaly don't have a problem with people downloading Tolkiens books. If you don't the books then you shouldn't download it. The only downloaded book I have is the Hobbit and I own 2 paperback and 1 hardback version. The reason I have it is because I'm working on a character guide for my web-site and for the lesser characters I just type in their name in the find box and I can see everywhere their name is mentioned. I don't see anything wrong with that it saves me time. Does anybody think thats wrong? Conrad Dunkerson wrote in article <84sifr$kpk$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>... > Stan Brown wrote in message > news:MPG.12db6f7a51d9c9e798a8ab@news.mindspring.com... > > > rpresser@NOSPAMimtek.com.invalid (Ross Presser) wrote in > > rec.arts.books.tolkien: > > >> You are quite right about the hypocrisy of keeping (and using!) > >> the illegal files, however. > > > At the risk of opening a can of worms, could we explore this a > > bit? > > My understanding, based on my near total ignorance of legal matters, > is that you are allowed to copy portions of a work for limited use > but not the entire document. It MIGHT be that you can make a full > copy so long as you do not distribute this to anyone else... that is > how I understand copyright on music to work for instance, you can > make a tape copy for yourself but it is illegal to give it to > someone else. Now, >receiving< a copy from someone else might also > be illegal, though that doesn't seem to make sense if making one > yourself is not. > > We've had much more knowledgeable explanations of this in the recent > past which ought to be archived on Deja. > > > ###### From: g.buurman@hccnet.nl (Freaksaus) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Is LOTR online somewhere in book form? Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 13:40:35 GMT Organization: Hobby Computer Club News Network Lines: 35 Message-ID: <387349cf.17468419@news.hccnet.nl> References: <385eab8b.276356391@news.inetworld.net> <844mkl$t92$1@news.eisa.net.au> <8EB0A7BB1pt101594@199.45.45.11> <84sifr$kpk$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uds83-116.dial.hccnet.nl X-Trace: news.hccnet.nl 947079910 29206 193.173.116.83 (5 Jan 2000 13:45:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@hccnet.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jan 2000 13:45:10 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!news.hccnet.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:12249 On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 05:30:59 -0500, in rec.arts.books.tolkien you wrote: >My understanding, based on my near total ignorance of legal matters, >is that you are allowed to copy portions of a work for limited use >but not the entire document. It MIGHT be that you can make a full >copy so long as you do not distribute this to anyone else... that is >how I understand copyright on music to work for instance, you can >make a tape copy for yourself but it is illegal to give it to >someone else. Now, >receiving< a copy from someone else might also >be illegal, though that doesn't seem to make sense if making one >yourself is not. Ok here goes I hope I got this right, otherwise blame my teacher :-)) (This applies to the laws here in The Netherlands) If someone buys a certain product, let's say product x from someone who doesn't legally own the product you own the product legally IF: The product is bought for something other then "for nothing" (I don't know the exact English translation) the product is legally his/hers it must be bought in "bona fide" / in good faith So, the copy's of LOTR are illegal because, noone paid the people who put it there anything. And on top of that it isn't done in "bona fide" because everyone knws there are no ilegal E-texts of LOTR or other Tolkien books. I hope this helps Freek, no I'm not studiying law ###### From: "Angela P Jones" Subject: Re: Is LOTR online somewhere in book form? Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <385eab8b.276356391@news.inetworld.net> <844mkl$t92$1@news.eisa.net.au> <8EB0A7BB1pt101594@199.45.45.11> <84sifr$kpk$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <387349cf.17468419@news.hccnet.nl> Message-ID: <01bf57a6$5ab40c80$8094a4d1@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 NNTP-Posting-Host: elkppp118.dpnet.net Date: 5 Jan 2000 10:06:34 -0500 X-Trace: 5 Jan 2000 10:06:34 -0500, elkppp118.dpnet.net Lines: 6 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.nacamar.de!europa.netcrusader.net!208.10.194.34!smartdna!news.dpnet.net!elkppp118.dpnet.net Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:12250 > And on top of that it isn't done in "bona fide" > because everyone knws there are no ilegal E-texts of LOTR or other > Tolkien books. If your saying theres no sites that have them. Theres a site someone already posted that has all of Tolkiens books. ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Is LOTR online somewhere in book form? Date: 05 Jan 2000 23:11:31 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 107 Message-ID: <6uiu18f9t8.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <385eab8b.276356391@news.inetworld.net> <844mkl$t92$1@news.e isa.net.au> <8EB0A7BB1pt101594@199.45.45.11> <84sifr$kpk$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <387349cf.17468419@news.h ccnet.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 947110291 597 10.0.3.2 (5 Jan 2000 22:11:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jan 2000 22:11:31 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:12284 g.buurman@hccnet.nl (Freaksaus) writes: > On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 05:30:59 -0500, in rec.arts.books.tolkien you > wrote: > > >My understanding, based on my near total ignorance of legal matters, So is mine I am posting here. Caveat emptor. > >is that you are allowed to copy portions of a work for limited use > >but not the entire document. The right to make citations. > >It MIGHT be that you can make a full > >copy so long as you do not distribute this to anyone else... that is > >how I understand copyright on music to work for instance, you can > >make a tape copy for yourself But this one is AFAIK only allowed because the license contract the copyright holder gives you says so. One of the problems with DVD is that the producers are trying to get rid of this term. This is actually the greatest dislike I have with copyright (and patent and trademark) law: that it gives the benefactor power to impose a lot more restrictions than the desired ones the law was made to enable. Preventing someone evading supporting the author would be an acceptable law, but the present laws also allow the owner to prevent licensees from making copies for own use or converting it to an other medium for bette ruse. Such abuse of this law is why I (and many others) would even regard an complete deletion without replacement of copyright as an step forward. > >but it is illegal to give it to > >someone else. Unfortunately even if they also have an official copy and you just want to do the copying for them (say you have an CD player and tape deck, they have an CD-player and car tape, but no tape at home, or te be mor eon topic you have already typed in LOTR so you want to save them from repeating the work). > > Now, >receiving< a copy from someone else might also > >be illegal, AFAIK even just owning the illegaly made copy is illegal, not just recieving. > >though that doesn't seem to make sense if making one > >yourself is not. A lot of copyright law makes no sense. It is certainly one of the worser misscreations the world of legal insanity has disgraced society with (patents are even worse). > If someone buys a certain product, let's say product x from someone > who doesn't legally own the product you own the product legally These all applies to _ownership_ of stuff. In the case of copyright of a book you do not own any _thing_ (OK, you own the paper it is printed on). The only owner incolved is the copyright holder. You are only an licensee of the text. Subject to only being allowed to _use_ it in ways the holder has granted you the right to do. This is a big difference vs property law, where you can use your property in any way you see fit to do. This is exactly the "too much power" situation. > The product is bought for something other then "for nothing" (I don't > know the exact English translation) the product is legally his/hers And what about being given as a present? Is such a second class property? > it must be bought in "bona fide" / in good faith > > put it there anything. And on top of that it isn't done in "bona fide" > because everyone knws there are no ilegal E-texts of LOTR or other > Tolkien books. This would definitely make it illegal, if property law applied to texts. But it doesn't, copyright is an altogether differnt beast. One of the reasons I dislike the term "intellectual property", is because it is propaganda that suggests that anti-copyright is anti-property, while it really is against an abusive law that treats texty totally different and falsly. > Freek, no I'm not studiying law Neither am I, just repeating the concepts as far as I have fathomed them. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ ###### Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Is LOTR online somewhere in book form? References: <385eab8b.276356391@news.inetworld.net> <84sifr$kpk$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <01bf5751$598f6340$e094a4d1@default> X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test70 (17 January 1999) From: sbjensen@midway.uchicago.edu (Steuard Jensen) Lines: 38 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 18:10:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.135.12.7 X-Trace: uchinews 947095852 128.135.12.7 (Wed, 05 Jan 2000 12:10:52 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 12:10:52 CST Organization: The University of Chicago Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!uchinews!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:12334 Quoth "Angela P Jones" : > It is my understanding that if you own all of the books then you can > have on-line versions. I'm not anything like an expert on these matters, but I suspect that owning an online version would be illegal even under these circumstances. (Similarly, photocopying the whole book is probably illegal even if you already own it and have no plans to show anyone else the copy.) However, this is a point where I _think_ my moral sense and the law diverge: I wouldn't condemn anyone for merely possessing a copy of LotR in digital form (assuming they already had a copy of the books). It would be a very useful thing, and it's not available in a legal way at the moment. I think I _would_ place a couple of caveats on that moral statement, though. First of all, as soon as a digital version became available (at any reasonable price), someone who already had a digital copy should immediately delete their copy and (if they could afford it) buy the official (and legal) electronic text. Deletion at that point should really be mandatory, though. How's that for draconian? :) My second restriction unfortunately makes getting a text all but impossible: I don't believe that we should patronize or support people who make the texts freely available on the internet (or elsewhere). I would find it immoral to give away an electronic text without verifying that the person to which you give it actually owns a copy (rather than just having read it in the library, for example). That sort of proof would be very difficult to gather or provide; I've never seen anyone distributing Tolkien's works online ask for anything like it. Thus, even though _I_ know that I could morally own an electronic text, I refuse to download one over the internet from someone else who hasn't made entirely sure of that fact. Instead, I'll do what I can to shut them down. Thus, by the above standards, just about the only way to get one's hands on an electronic text would be to make it yourself. And don't you dare put it online! :) Steuard Jensen ###### From: g.buurman@hccnet.nl (Freaksaus) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Is LOTR online somewhere in book form? Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 08:43:38 GMT Organization: Hobby Computer Club News Network Lines: 12 Message-ID: <38745592.1796154@news.hccnet.nl> References: <385eab8b.276356391@news.inetworld.net> <844mkl$t92$1@news.eisa.net.au> <8EB0A7BB1pt101594@199.45.45.11> <84sifr$kpk$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <387349cf.17468419@news.hccnet.nl> <01bf57a6$5ab40c80$8094a4d1@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: uds68-116.dial.hccnet.nl X-Trace: news.hccnet.nl 947148498 274 193.173.116.68 (6 Jan 2000 08:48:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@hccnet.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jan 2000 08:48:18 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!205.231.236.10!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!news.hccnet.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:12291 On 5 Jan 2000 10:06:34 -0500, "Angela P Jones" wrote: >> And on top of that it isn't done in "bona fide" >> because everyone knws there are no ilegal E-texts of LOTR or other >> Tolkien books. >If your saying theres no sites that have them. Theres a site someone >already posted that has all of Tolkiens books. Sorry, typo, I meant legal E-texts Freek ###### From: brahms@mindspring.com (Stan Brown) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Is LOTR online somewhere in book form? Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:17:26 -0500 Organization: Oak Road Systems Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <385eab8b.276356391@news.inetworld.net> <84sifr$kpk$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <01bf5751$598f6340$e094a4d1@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: c7.ae.b0.a2 X-Server-Date: 6 Jan 2000 22:14:36 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!news.mindspring.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:12397 With about a year left in the millennium, sbjensen@midway.uchicago.edu (Steuard Jensen) wrote in rec.arts.books.tolkien: >Thus, by the above standards, just about the only way to get one's >hands on an electronic text would be to make it yourself. And don't >you dare put it online! :) And indeed, that's what I did with LotR, a few years ago; and I haven't put it on line, and won't. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Cleveland, Ohio, USA http://www.mindspring.com/~brahms/ Encyclopedia of Arda: http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.htm Tolkien FAQs: http://home.uchicago.edu/~sbjensen/Tolkien/TolkNgFaq.html (Jensen) http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~gsl9286/aft/faq/ (Loos) Inklings site list: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/GregorArlt/inklings_sites.html more FAQs: http://www.mindspring.com/~brahms/faqget.htm ###### Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Is LOTR online somewhere in book form? From: rpresser@NOSPAMimtek.com.invalid (Ross Presser) References: <385eab8b.276356391@news.inetworld.net> <84sifr$kpk$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <01bf5751$598f6340$e094a4d1@default> Organization: Imtek, Inc. Message-ID: <8EB4623F4pt101594@199.45.45.11> User-Agent: Xnews/Y2K-SE Lines: 23 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 14:33:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.204.202.84 X-Trace: typhoon2.gnilink.net 947255591 151.204.202.84 (Fri, 07 Jan 2000 09:33:11 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 09:33:11 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!cyclone2.gnilink.net!typhoon2.gnilink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch rec.arts.books.tolkien:12398 alt.distinguished.brahms@mindspring.com (Stan Brown).wrote.posted.offered: >With about a year left in the millennium, >sbjensen@midway.uchicago.edu (Steuard Jensen) wrote in >rec.arts.books.tolkien: >>Thus, by the above standards, just about the only way to get one's >>hands on an electronic text would be to make it yourself. And don't >>you dare put it online! :) > >And indeed, that's what I did with LotR, a few years ago; and I >haven't put it on line, and won't. Even this is probably a copyright violation. The standard thingy at the front usually says something like "may not be copied in any form, including stored in an information retrieval system ..." -- Ross Presser ross_presser@imtek.com "And if you're the kind of person who parties with a bathtub full of pasta, I suspect you don't care much about cholesterol anyway."