From: orius@webtv.net (David Sulger) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favourite Part of Middle-earth? Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:13:46 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 12 Message-ID: <12889-3834CE7A-80@storefull-253.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <811e08$2nd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQ4eEIOGlqiv2m0o1uHTF3muyhYsAIVAKKSl3mXJdzVfZKgKh+1/Lnarnrz Content-Disposition: Inline Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail Paulendil wrote: >just me and Melian (you know, after she >found out what a wacko Thingol was she >dumped him and I would pick her up on >the rebound She didn't have to dump him. The jackass got himself killed, after failing to listem to her advice.. --Dave ###### From: orius@webtv.net (David Sulger) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favourite Part of Middle-earth? Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:16:45 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 10 Message-ID: <12891-3834CF2D-3@storefull-253.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRMVFDuONy2sbwLZw7gv3lmCIVI2gIUc9u93w8wgsEgbl76/sNXnrZkwVw= Content-Disposition: Inline Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-fra.pop.de!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail Ojevind Lang wrote: >If you were an inhabitant of Middle-earth, >where would you want to live? I would say Drowinion, because there would always be something around to drink! --Dave ###### From: orius@webtv.net (David Sulger) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favourite Part of Middle-earth? Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:22:38 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 10 Message-ID: <12890-3834D08E-21@storefull-253.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAxpsAaKMvzZY9GpIeXgJgXM8Axk0CFFm7QCOe5tZeLBUzcMKKzHY5eaKH Content-Disposition: Inline Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail Seriously though, I'm not really sure where I would hve liked to live. Maybe that's why gandalf and Aragorn roamed around so much; there's many interesting places to see in all of ME. (btw, I know I spelled "Dorwinion" wrong. I noticed the error just as soon as I hit the send button, when of course it was too late. grrrrrrrrrr) --Dave ###### From: schizmatic@aol.comSpamsuks (Andrew Reeves) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favourite Part of Middle-earth? Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Nov 1999 23:56:22 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991118185622.27620.00001031@ng-fv1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo2!newsfeed.icl.net!oleane!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail > >Let us fantasize for a bit. As Trolls and certain other visitors like to >remind us, we are hopeless escapists, right? So here goes: If you were an >inhabitant of Middle-earth, where would you want to live? I would live somewhere in Wilderland (preferably after the War of the Ring), maybe in the vales of Anduin. Most of Tolkien's illustrations of Wilderland make me think of either the Sierra Nevada Mountains or the Canadian Rockies, and both places just make my heart ache with longing when I'm there. Heck, I'd probably like to live with the woodsmen or Beornings, whose territories are also only about a week, give or take, from Rivendell, though I picture this as being something of a lonely place after the war. Speaking of which--Once the last elf is gone, what were they going to do with Imaldris? Would it get left in the custody of Gondor or simply left abandoned? Andrew ***************************** "Shop smart, shop S-Mart!" ###### From: gordonlew@aol.com (Gordon Nash) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favourite Part of Middle-earth? NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Nov 1999 04:10:34 GMT References: <19991118185622.27620.00001031@ng-fv1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991118231034.11754.00000794@ng-fp1.aol.com> Lines: 7 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail >Speaking of which--Once the last elf is gone, what were they going to do with >Imaldris? Would it get left in the custody of Gondor or simply left >abandoned? It was Auctioned off on AWP.Ebay.elf (AWP Stands for Arda Wide Palantir) Feanole aka DrWhoFru ###### From: mark@pc-intouch.com (Mark Wells) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favourite Part of Middle-earth? Organization: PC-InTOUCH Linux Conspiracy Message-ID: <38350bff.1107590@news.pc-intouch.com> References: <19991118185622.27620.00001031@ng-fv1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 174-dyn.dialup.pc-intouch.com Lines: 19 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:38:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.172.26.10 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 943000541 198.172.26.10 (Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:35:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:35:41 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!newsfeed.esat.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!damar.pc-intouch.com!174-dyn.dialup.pc-intouch.com On 18 Nov 1999 23:56:22 GMT, schizmatic@aol.comSpamsuks (Andrew Reeves) wrote: >Speaking of which--Once the last elf is gone, what were they going to do with >Imaldris? Would it get left in the custody of Gondor or simply left abandoned? Ah, but that's part of the basic sorrow of LOTR, right? The Ring has to be destroyed, or Sauron will kill everyone. But if the Ring is destroyed the power of the Three will fade and Rivendell, like Lorien, will crumble into dust. >Andrew >***************************** >"Shop smart, shop S-Mart!" "All right, you primitive screwheads, listen up!" One of the best monologues in any movie ever made. ###### From: darat9999@my-deja.com Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favourite Part of Middle-earth? Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:29:13 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <813tsh$sc3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <811e08$2nd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <12889-3834CE7A-80@storefull-253.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.114.124.191 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Nov 19 16:29:13 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows NT) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 162.114.124.191 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDdarat9999 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!naxos.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!news.idt.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail Dave's comment on Thingol: "She didn't have to dump him. The jackass got himself killed, after failing to listem to her advice.." True Dave. But after Thingol got out of Mandos (about 10 years ago) he tried looking her up to make more Tinuviels. That is when she dumped him, mainly for the events you alluded to above. Cheers, Paul Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ###### From: Ermanna Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favourite Part of Middle-earth? Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 21:38:11 -0500 Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3836098B.F6933058@erols.com> References: <19991118185622.27620.00001031@ng-fv1.aol.com> <19991118231034.11754.00000794@ng-fp1.aol.com> Reply-To: jsolinas@erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 2NeVPq1Okz//ZWO1aCCNVRj/QzICTkDKtCaIfed7uJI= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Nov 1999 03:23:03 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Gordon Nash wrote: > >Speaking of which--Once the last elf is gone, what were they going to do with > >Imaldris? Would it get left in the custody of Gondor or simply left > >abandoned? > > It was Auctioned off on AWP.Ebay.elf That's the official story. I really bought it. My older sister's visiting(with her two cyber-clones), and I again invite you all to visit, whenever. > (AWP Stands for Arda Wide Palantir) > Feanole aka DrWhoFru Ermanna the Elven Jedi Knight A Elbereth Gilthoniel ###### From: gordonlew@aol.com (Gordon Nash) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favourite Part of Middle-earth? Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Nov 1999 05:32:55 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991120003255.20161.00000242@ng-fa1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail > >Let us fantasize for a bit. As Trolls and certain other visitors like to > >remind us, we are hopeless escapists, right? So here goes: If you were an > >inhabitant of Middle-earth, where would you want to live? > >The Great Void. Play chess with Eru. Throw lighting bolts at the mortals. > > The Great Void is not part of Middle Earth. Its not even part of Arda. Feanole aka DrWhoFru ###### From: brahms@mindspring.com (Stan Brown) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favourite Part of Middle-earth? Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 13:48:03 -0500 Organization: Oak Road Systems Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <19991121130127.15143.00000525@ng-fr1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: c7.ae.b0.e8 X-Server-Date: 21 Nov 1999 18:43:52 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.tli.de!news.fh-hannover.de!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail jiminut@aol.com (Jiminut) wrote in rec.arts.books.tolkien: >I have chosen Bag End at this time, as a >place to rest up and get to feel myself. I would like to be the Master of Bag >End, naturally, along the lines of Bilbo and Frodo. Tried it -- the beds were all too short, and I kept bumping my head on the ceiling. :-) -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Cleveland, Ohio, USA http://www.mindspring.com/~brahms/ My reply address is correct as is. The courtesy of providing a correct reply address is more important to me than time spent deleting spam. ###### From: jiminut@aol.com (Jiminut) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favourite Part of Middle-earth? Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Nov 1999 18:01:27 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991121130127.15143.00000525@ng-fr1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!naxos.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail >I suspect that when it finally came time to settle down, I'd end up >agreeing with Bilbo that Rivendell would be the place to be. However, >I don't think I could stand living there after the departure of >Elrond: I have a feeling that the emptiness of the place would be >palpable, and I would be filled with sorrow and a sense of loss as >long as I remained. I don't know that I would be happy in the Shire, >as I would feel like quite an outsider there; the same goes for most >of the homes of Elves and Dwarves in the world. I might well end up >in Minas Tirith, or even more likely in Ithilien (assuming in both >cases now that we're _after_ the Return of the King). > >Anyway, that's a long answer to your question. What it's convinced me >of more than anything else is that I would pay a great deal for a >virtual reality interface to a good enough rendition Middle-earth. :) >Oh, and on an entirely different note, I'm not going unless my fiancee >can come too! :) > Steuard Jensen > Congratulations Steuard and your fiancee. Only one note from reading your pursuasive argument for Rivendell. I have chosen Bag End at this time, as a place to rest up and get to feel myself. I would like to be the Master of Bag End, naturally, along the lines of Bilbo and Frodo. One day I would hope to see Rivendell but there is much work to do between now and then, and I just don't feel I would like to be there and then have to leave, and to not know if I would ever return. Mike "I said find yourself first and then your tool. Find yourself first, don't you be no fool." - J. Hendrix "Message to the Universe" ###### Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favourite Part of Middle-earth? Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Nov 1999 18:20:40 GMT References: <19991121130127.15143.00000525@ng-fr1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991121132040.00427.00000519@ng-bx1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.bme.hu!news.iif.hu!fu-berlin.de!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!naxos.belnet.be!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!oleane!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Gondolin....someplace with towers. Speaking of towers how is the house with towers coming along, Michael? Josie ###### From: orius@webtv.net (David Sulger) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favourite Part of Middle-earth? Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 02:00:00 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 11 Message-ID: <24629-3838E9F0-54@storefull-254.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRWHw9PjkS3pGRFTeh91w8tmr23ZAIUH5JIaB+fpWqER+eXGgwoV2xWIH0= Content-Disposition: Inline Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!esel!cosy.sbg.ac.at!agate.berkeley.edu!agate!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail Steuard Jensen wrote: >I would certainly prefer to make those >journeys at a time when the Three were >in use! Especially considering that some of those places would be off limits in the Fourth Age (e.g. the Shire, Druedan Forest) and others like Lorien would only be a shadow of their former selves. --Dave ###### From: brahms@mindspring.com (Stan Brown) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favourite Part of Middle-earth? Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:17:32 -0500 Organization: Oak Road Systems Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <24629-3838E9F0-54@storefull-254.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: c7.ae.b2.5f X-Server-Date: 22 Nov 1999 21:13:18 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!uunet!ams.uu.net!grolier!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail orius@webtv.net (David Sulger) wrote in rec.arts.books.tolkien: >Especially considering that some of those places would be off limits in >the Fourth Age (e.g. the Shire, Druedan Forest) and others like Lorien >would only be a shadow of their former selves. I had a sudden horrible nightmare (daymare?) about Fourth-Age Lorien done up by some Gondorian entrepreneurs as "Elvish Lorien", a la Colonial Williamsburg. With Galadriel and Celeborn gone, it would be some ghastly theme park, with the remaining Silvan Elves reduced to play-acting in tourist versions of their former lives. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Cleveland, Ohio, USA http://www.mindspring.com/~brahms/ My reply address is correct as is. The courtesy of providing a correct reply address is more important to me than time spent deleting spam. ###### From: orius@webtv.net (David Sulger) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favourite Part of Middle-earth? Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 00:27:41 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 14 Message-ID: <19131-383A25CD-11@storefull-253.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRLCf+VVH/gmL/u7Rd7aE46NFpphwIVAIqVeUpyzMifn5G+5fznwIfUngOY Content-Disposition: Inline Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!esel!cosy.sbg.ac.at!nntprelay.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail Stan Brown wrote: >I had a sudden horrible nightmare >(daymare?) about Fourth-Age Lorien >done up by some Gondorian >entrepreneurs as some ghastly >theme park You think that's scary? How about this: Lorien-Disney --Dave ###### Message-ID: <383AD557.3896ACC9@intermedia.ca> From: Catherine Schroh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: re: Favourite Part of Middle-earth? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-UNICODE-2-0-UTF-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:56:40 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.210.41.3 X-Trace: nnrp1.uunet.ca 943379736 205.210.41.3 (Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:55:36 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:55:36 EST Organization: UUNET Canada News Reader Service Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!nf1.mgmt.sympatico.ca!news1.bellglobal.com!news.uunet.ca!nnrp1.uunet.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Feanole wrote: My first choice like so many others is Imaladris. As Sam said: "Well Mr.Frodo, we've been far and seen a deal, and yet I don't think we've found a better place than this. There's something fo everything here, if you understand me: the Shire adn the Golden Wood and Gondor and king's houses and inns and meadows and mountains all mixed." The rest of that passage goes "Except the sea." For me, I would choose Pelargir for the warm climate and proximity of the sea. After the war of the rings, of course. Catherine