Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien From: Egbert Lenderink Subject: Tolkien names in the real world Sender: news@natlab.research.philips.com (USEnet Subsystem) Message-ID: <380C45BE.EBBCD8FC@natlab.research.philips.com> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:19:42 GMT X-Nntp-Posting-Host: pc3632 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Organization: Philips Research Lines: 24 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news.worldonline.nl!newsfeed1.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!news.eur.cis.philips.com!newssvr!news I was already aware of the Hotel de Rohan in Paris and the town called Bree in Northern Belgium, but this time things are getting eerie... About one year ago, I moved to a town called Waalre in the south of the Netherlands. I found out that in this town there is: a street named after a local historian, named Hein Mandos; a park named after one of the former mayors, mayor Osse. Now they say that the name Waalre was derived from medieval Waedriloo, but it could just as well be derived from Valinórë of course. Help! What is happening! Have I left the circles of the world, and finally found "the straight road" with my moving van? I have not lived here long enough to notice if people here in Waalre are immortal, and it will probably take me a couple of hundred years to find out. Assuming that I have indeed found Valinor, I can say that over the ages Quenya has evolved into Dutch with a heavy Brabant accent. Egbert. -- This message reflects my personal opinions only, not necessarily those of the company I work for. ###### Message-ID: <380C6CC6.D641343B@mediaone.net> From: Cian X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien names in the real world References: <380C45BE.EBBCD8FC@natlab.research.philips.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:06:14 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.128.99.214 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: wbnws01.ne.mediaone.net 940338563 24.128.99.214 (Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:09:23 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:09:23 EDT Organization: Road Runner Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.101!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.44.7!wbnws01.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Egbert Lenderink wrote: > > Help! What is happening! Have I left the circles of the world, and > finally found "the straight road" with my moving van? Maybe. Is your mechanic named Cirdan? > I have not lived here long enough to notice if people here in Waalre are > immortal, and it will probably take me a couple of hundred years to find > out. You'd know right off.:) Hmm, there's a garden shop named 'Bilbo's' I recall seeing. And I also 'quested' in a US town called 'South Hadley', some twenty odd years ago now, and discovered a store called 'Baggins End'. Clothes, old fashioned candle shop, odds and ends. But they wouldn't sell me the only thing I wanted -- a huge poster of Tolkien sitting upon the gnarled roots of a massive tree. I expect the place has changed since then. -- Cian ###### From: echoota@aol.com (Neil Carr) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien names in the real world Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 15:46:07 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <380c8fb4.8723750@news.supernews.com> References: <380C45BE.EBBCD8FC@natlab.research.philips.com> Reply-To: echoota@aol.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail IIRC there is a letter that Tolkien wrote in which he states that having the LotR translated into finnish, dutch or one of those nordic languages would be ideal since he roughly based his elvish languages on one of these languages. Neil Carr Dallas MetroGamers http://www.earthsea.com/metrogamers/ ###### From: Robert Brady Subject: Re: Tolkien names in the real world Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <380C45BE.EBBCD8FC@natlab.research.philips.com> <380c8fb4.8723750@news.supernews.com> Reply-To: rwb197@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-URL: http://www.aber.mud.org/ X-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990517 ("Psychonaut") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.11 (i686)) NNTP-Posting-Host: ower.ecs.soton.ac.uk Message-ID: <380c99db@news.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Date: 19 Oct 1999 17:18:35 GMT X-Trace: 19 Oct 1999 17:18:35 GMT, ower.ecs.soton.ac.uk Lines: 13 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!diablo.theplanet.net!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!server3.netnews.ja.net!news-spool.soton.ac.uk!news.ecs.soton.ac.uk!not-for-mail Neil Carr wrote: >IIRC there is a letter that Tolkien wrote in which he states that >having the LotR translated into finnish, dutch or one of those nordic >languages would be ideal since he roughly based his elvish languages >on one of these languages. Hi. Finnish is not a Germanic (which is the correct term for what you appear to be calling 'Nordic') language. It's a Finno-Ugric language. The phonology (but not much else) of Quenya was based on Finnish. The phonology of Sindarin was based on Welsh, another language which isn't a Germanic language. -- Robert ###### From: "Öjevind Lång" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <380C45BE.EBBCD8FC@natlab.research.philips.com> <380c8fb4.8723750@news.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Tolkien names in the real world Lines: 21 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.106.186 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 940350617 212.151.106.186 (Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:30:17 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:30:17 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 X-Sender: s-774765@d212-151-106-186.swipnet.se Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:30:21 +0200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail Neil Carr hath written: >IIRC there is a letter that Tolkien wrote in which he states that >having the LotR translated into finnish, dutch or one of those nordic >languages would be ideal since he roughly based his elvish languages >on one of these languages. From a letter from Tolkien to the Icelandic translator of "The Hobbit" when that work was initiated in 1973: "I am very pleased to know that an Icelandic translation of *The Hobbit* is in preparation. I had long hoped that some of my work might be translated into Icelandic, a language which I think would fit it better than any other I have any adequate knowledge of." I am glad Tolkien had this news before his death in the same year. Does anyone here know whether "The Lord of he Rings" has been translated into Icelandic? Öjevind -- ###### Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien From: Egbert Lenderink Subject: Re: Tolkien names in the real world Sender: news@natlab.research.philips.com (USEnet Subsystem) Message-ID: <380D8AB8.F5AFDF87@natlab.research.philips.com> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:26:16 GMT X-Nntp-Posting-Host: pc3632 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 References: <380C45BE.EBBCD8FC@natlab.research.philips.com> <380c8fb4.8723750@news.supernews.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Organization: Philips Research Lines: 30 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed1.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!news.eur.cis.philips.com!newssvr!news Öjevind Lång wrote: > > From a letter from Tolkien to the Icelandic translator of "The Hobbit" when > that work was initiated in 1973: "I am very pleased to know that an > Icelandic translation of *The Hobbit* is in preparation. I had long hoped > that some of my work might be translated into Icelandic, a language which I > think would fit it better than any other I have any adequate knowledge of." > I am glad Tolkien had this news before his death in the same year. > Does anyone here know whether "The Lord of he Rings" has been translated > into Icelandic? > It has. Title: "Hringadrottins Saga". ("Saga" simply means "story" or "history" in Icelandic.) My Icelandic is barely good enough to read it, certainly not good enough to judge it. (For people who are now curious for snippets: I don't have it, I just leafed through it in a bookstore in Akureyri during one of my holidays.) With Tolkien, I believe that it has the potential of being even stronger than the original, because Icelandic has such a strong tradition in alliterative verse and epic narratives. Egbert. -- This message reflects my personal opinions only, not necessarily those of the company I work for. ###### From: Brad Speierman Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien names in the real world Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:14:08 -0400 Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation Lines: 47 Message-ID: <380E1480.48E7086D@home.net> References: <380C45BE.EBBCD8FC@natlab.research.philips.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bspeirm.sed.csc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: lore.csc.com 940446878 9461 20.2.52.99 (20 Oct 1999 19:14:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: support@csc.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Oct 1999 19:14:38 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!nntp.abs.net!lore.csc.com!not-for-mail In Columbia, Maryland USA, where I live, there is a neighborhood called Hobbit's Glenn. In that neighborhood all of the streets are names derived from Tolkien's writings. See ya, Brad Egbert Lenderink wrote: > I was already aware of the Hotel de Rohan in Paris and the town called > Bree in Northern Belgium, but this time things are getting eerie... > > About one year ago, I moved to a town called Waalre in the south of the > Netherlands. I found out that in this town there is: > a street named after a local historian, named Hein Mandos; > a park named after one of the former mayors, mayor Osse. > > Now they say that the name Waalre was derived from medieval Waedriloo, > but it could just as well be derived from Valinórë of course. > > Help! What is happening! Have I left the circles of the world, and > finally found "the straight road" with my moving van? I have not lived > here long enough to notice if people here in Waalre are immortal, and it > will probably take me a couple of hundred years to find out. Assuming > that I have indeed found Valinor, I can say that over the ages Quenya > has evolved into Dutch with a heavy Brabant accent. > > Egbert. > > -- > > This message reflects my personal opinions only, not necessarily those > of the company I work for. -- ******************************************* * Brad Speierman * home email - brad-speierman@home.net * work email - bspeierm@csc.com ******************************************* * If you plant ice, * your gonna harvest wind. - Robert Hunter ******************************************* ###### From: CLV1@balJUNKcab.ch (CleV) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien names in the real world Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:45:05 GMT Organization: ImproWare AG Network Services - Usenet News Service Lines: 10 Message-ID: <380e539d.14474424@news.balcab.ch> References: <380C45BE.EBBCD8FC@natlab.research.philips.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.32.44 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.imp.ch!imp.ch!not-for-mail On Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:19:42 GMT, Egbert Lenderink wrote: >I was already aware of the Hotel de Rohan in Paris and the town called >Bree in Northern Belgium, but this time things are getting eerie... In two different schools I had schoolmates called: Rohan Lingam (a he, of Indian extraction) Rohan McCarthy (a she, of Irish? extraction) Hi to both if you're here! ###### From: orius@webtv.net (David Sulger) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien names in the real world Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 10 Message-ID: <17353-380EA1AC-72@storefull-255.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <380C6CC6.D641343B@mediaone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAx4yRIitT+lSYyqdDIOxnoWEG4tQCFFN1O0uOjgzCtD+/puJqJJJPKbDb Content-Disposition: Inline Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail Cian wrote: >I also discovered a store called >'Baggins End'. Clothes, old fashioned >candle shop, odds and ends. Hmmm. A mathom shop, perhaps? --Dave ###### Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien From: Egbert Lenderink Subject: Re: Tolkien names in the real world Sender: news@natlab.research.philips.com (USEnet Subsystem) Message-ID: <380EC5E8.2841F6D5@natlab.research.philips.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 07:51:04 GMT X-Nntp-Posting-Host: pc3632 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <380C45BE.EBBCD8FC@natlab.research.philips.com> <380E1480.48E7086D@home.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Organization: Philips Research Lines: 25 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!newsfeed1.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!news.eur.cis.philips.com!newssvr!news Brad Speierman wrote: > > In Columbia, Maryland USA, where I live, there is a neighborhood called > Hobbit's Glenn. In that neighborhood all of the streets are names derived > from Tolkien's writings. > In that way, Tolkien names are found in the real world more often: people who use the names from the book as an inspiration. Back in the eighties, in those days when a modem was still a box with a switch and flickering lights on it, there were modems with the brand name Gandalf on it. I know of a school nearby that is called Hobbitstee (the Dutch translation for Hobbiton). The funny thing about what I found in Waalre is that Mandos and Osse actually were local family names that existed long before professor Tolkien wrote down his mythology. Egbert. -- This message reflects my personal opinions only, not necessarily those of the company I work for. ###### From: dcloridel@aol.com (Scott L. Beemer) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien names in the real world Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Oct 1999 23:01:58 GMT References: <380EC5E8.2841F6D5@natlab.research.philips.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991022190158.23616.00000034@ng-ch1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!newnews.hk-r.se!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Near New Hope, Pennsylvania, there is a community called Shire's Crossing that is strangely close to Buckland Valley Farms...The main road of Shire's Crossing is King's Grant Road (IIRC, the Shire was granted to the Hobbits by the King of Arnor). Shire's Crossing and Buckland Valley are along the banks of the Delaware River--one of the tributaries of which is the Brandywine River. There is also an Iron Hill Brewery in West Chester, PA. Peter Jackson might think that New Zealand is Middle-Earth, but there are some who would point to Pennsylvania. :) Scott Beemer usually a lurker, much like Gollum. In article <380EC5E8.2841F6D5@natlab.research.philips.com>, lenderin@natlab.research.philips.com says... > >Brad Speierman wrote: >> >> In Columbia, Maryland USA, where I live, there is a neighborhood called >> Hobbit's Glenn. In that neighborhood all of the streets are names derived >> from Tolkien's writings. >> > >In that way, Tolkien names are found in the real world more often: >people who use the names from the book as an inspiration. >Back in the eighties, in those days when a modem was still a box with a >switch and flickering lights on it, there were modems with the brand >name Gandalf on it. >I know of a school nearby that is called Hobbitstee (the Dutch >translation for Hobbiton). ###### From: dsalo@usa.net (David Salo) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien names in the real world Message-ID: References: <380EC5E8.2841F6D5@natlab.research.philips.com> <19991022190158.23616.00000034@ng-ch1.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.4.0 Lines: 23 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 02:16:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.246.5.117 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net (TDS.NET help Desk 1-888-815-5992) X-Trace: ratbert.tds.net 940645011 204.246.5.117 (Fri, 22 Oct 1999 21:16:51 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 21:16:51 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub.org!hub.org!ratbert.tds.net!dsalo In article <19991022190158.23616.00000034@ng-ch1.aol.com>, dcloridel@aol.com (Scott L. Beemer) wrote: > Near New Hope, Pennsylvania, there is a community called Shire's Crossing that > is strangely close to Buckland Valley Farms...The main road of Shire's Crossing > is King's Grant Road (IIRC, the Shire was granted to the Hobbits by the King of > Arnor). Shire's Crossing and Buckland Valley are along the banks of the > Delaware River--one of the tributaries of which is the Brandywine River. There > is also an Iron Hill Brewery in West Chester, PA. > Peter Jackson might think that New Zealand is Middle-Earth, but there are some > who would point to Pennsylvania. :) Well, as "Shire", "Buckland", and "Brandywine" are all good old English names -- and as Pennsylvania was settled by English colonists -- the coincidence isn't all that great. Find me a Michel Delving and I might start to wonder, though... DS ###### From: smgcfam@aol.com (SMGCFAM) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien names in the real world Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Oct 1999 20:53:18 GMT References: <19991022190158.23616.00000034@ng-ch1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991023165318.13649.00000323@ng-fq1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!zur.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!newsrouter.icnc.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail >Peter Jackson might think that New Zealand is Middle-Earth, but there are >some > >who would point to Pennsylvania In the Shenandoah valley last summer I came upon a "Misty Mountains Inn" right below the Blue Ridge. I agree with you about Pennsylvania, by the way---especially in the Appalachians...back country to inspire dreams. ###### From: Huan the hound Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien names in the real world Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 16:33:19 -0400 Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <380EC5E8.2841F6D5@natlab.research.philips.com> <19991022190158.23616.00000034@ng-ch1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.gvsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <19991022190158.23616.00000034@ng-ch1.aol.com> X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: river.it.gvsu.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!aanews.merit.net!news.gvsu.edu!river.it.gvsu.edu!dyera Today I noticed a park called Aman Park not too far from my university. -- Huan, the hound of Valinor Nuclear Power: When American energy consumption is increasing so rapidly, how can we ignore a source with such environmental friendliness and abundance? ###### From: "lala" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien names in the real world Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:17:06 +0200 Organization: Planet Internet NV Lines: 56 Message-ID: <7uvl3e$vsu$1@news.planetinternet.be> References: <380C45BE.EBBCD8FC@natlab.research.philips.com> <380E1480.48E7086D@home.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: u195-95-86-215.vpop-gent.planetinternet.be X-Trace: news.planetinternet.be 940791726 32670 195.95.86.215 (24 Oct 1999 19:02:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@planetinternet.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Oct 1999 19:02:06 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.unisource.be!planetinternet.be!not-for-mail Well, A word that has always made me wonder was "entmoot" that sounds exactly like Dutch "ontmoet"=to meet. By the way, In Antwerp, Belgium, where I live is a big record store called Bilbo Records... Brad Speierman schreef in berichtnieuws 380E1480.48E7086D@home.net... > In Columbia, Maryland USA, where I live, there is a neighborhood called > Hobbit's Glenn. In that neighborhood all of the streets are names derived > from Tolkien's writings. > > See ya, > Brad > > Egbert Lenderink wrote: > > > I was already aware of the Hotel de Rohan in Paris and the town called > > Bree in Northern Belgium, but this time things are getting eerie... > > > > About one year ago, I moved to a town called Waalre in the south of the > > Netherlands. I found out that in this town there is: > > a street named after a local historian, named Hein Mandos; > > a park named after one of the former mayors, mayor Osse. > > > > Now they say that the name Waalre was derived from medieval Waedriloo, > > but it could just as well be derived from Valinórë of course. > > > > Help! What is happening! Have I left the circles of the world, and > > finally found "the straight road" with my moving van? I have not lived > > here long enough to notice if people here in Waalre are immortal, and it > > will probably take me a couple of hundred years to find out. Assuming > > that I have indeed found Valinor, I can say that over the ages Quenya > > has evolved into Dutch with a heavy Brabant accent. > > > > Egbert. > > > > -- > > > > This message reflects my personal opinions only, not necessarily those > > of the company I work for. > > -- > > > ******************************************* > * Brad Speierman > * home email - brad-speierman@home.net > * work email - bspeierm@csc.com > ******************************************* > * If you plant ice, > * your gonna harvest wind. - Robert Hunter > ******************************************* > > ###### From: dsalo@usa.net (David Salo) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien names in the real world Message-ID: References: <380C45BE.EBBCD8FC@natlab.research.philips.com> <380E1480.48E7086D@home.net> <7uvl3e$vsu$1@news.planetinternet.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.4.0 Lines: 11 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 04:55:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.170.71.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net (TDS.NET help Desk 1-888-815-5992) X-Trace: ratbert.tds.net 940827326 208.170.71.18 (Sun, 24 Oct 1999 23:55:26 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 23:55:26 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newsfeed.cwix.com!ratbert.tds.net!dsalo In article <7uvl3e$vsu$1@news.planetinternet.be>, "lala" wrote: > Well, A word that has always made me wonder was "entmoot" that sounds > exactly like Dutch "ontmoet"=to meet. Entmoot means "Meeting of Ents"; the moot is, I'm sure, related to the -moet in Dutch, but the ont- part is just an old Germanic prefix, not related to the word "ent" (whose origin, beyond Old English, is obscure). DS ###### From: Bill Silvey Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien names in the real world Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 21:48:53 -0400 Organization: Disorganization Lines: 26 Message-ID: <38150885.CDA28CAA@mpinet.net> References: <380C45BE.EBBCD8FC@natlab.research.philips.com> <380e539d.14474424@news.balcab.ch> Reply-To: ministry@mpinet.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!naxos.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail CleV wrote: > > On Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:19:42 GMT, Egbert Lenderink > wrote: > > >I was already aware of the Hotel de Rohan in Paris and the town called > >Bree in Northern Belgium, but this time things are getting eerie... > In two different schools I had schoolmates called: > Rohan Lingam (a he, of Indian extraction) > Rohan McCarthy (a she, of Irish? extraction) > > Hi to both if you're here! I hate to reply to a thread this old but: my wife's middle name is Arwen, and my sister-in-law's middle name is Galadriel. I kid you not. -- Bill Silvey, Oathmaster, Clan Wolverine "I post to see what kind of responses I will get. I don't know of every single facet of a subject I post on." - ATN082268's confession in posting <1998060405070500.BAA13596-rgm@ladder01.news.aol.com> that it does in fact post in rec.games.mecha only to troll. Spell 'yrtsinim' backwards to email me.