From: Marc Greis Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: The Fate of the Elves after the Destruction of the One Ring Date: 16 Oct 1999 16:05:37 GMT Organization: RHRZ - University of Bonn (Germany) Lines: 105 Message-ID: <7ua7oh$u6g@news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: dorsch.informatik.uni-bonn.de User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-981225 ("Volcane") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.7 (i86pc)) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!not-for-mail "The Fate of the Elves after the Destruction of the One Ring" or "The Fate of this Newsgroup after the Making of the Movies" One day, as the members of the council called rec.arts.books.tolkien were gathered again to discuss matters of lore, one stepped among them who had not been seen in their midst for a long time. Some were astonished to see him again, though most of them did not know him or did not remember him. He looked distressed though, so in the most corteous manner, as it was their wont, the council members asked him what brought him before them. He hesitated a moment before he answered slowly, "I am a messenger of doom." There was silence for a few seconds, then some chuckled, and others turned back to the things they were discussing before he disturbed them. Some called, "Which doom is it that you speak of? Tell us more!", for they may have expected that he was joking and that they had to listen a little bit longer to hear the punchline. The messenger's face was unmoved as he continued, "The books from which we draw our wisdom are soon to be turned into moving pictures of light, which are called 'movies' in the common speech, to see for all, even those who have never touched a book of their own free will." One of the members of the council called from the back of the room, "Is this what you have come to tell us? We have known it for a long time, and even now we were discussing this very matter, though it concerns us not as greatly as you may think, but perhaps only as much as a small necklace may concern a king whose hoard is filled with unmeasurable treasures. In these pictures which you mentioned there is no danger for us, for we can shield our eyes from them, and we can ignore their treacherous contents, if there shall be any, and those who are deceived by them and believe that in these pictures they saw the truth, rarely enter into our thoughts at all, since this is harm done to them, not to us." But another one, perhaps a wiser member of the council raised his hand and spoke, "Do not interrupt him, for there is certainly more that he has to tell. There is an urgency in his voice which I have not heard before." He turned to the messenger, nodding to him, saying, "So go on, what else do you have to tell us?" The messenger, who had patiently heard what had been said to him, continued now, his voice full of anxiety, "You say that no harm shall be done to you and this council, but what will happen when those who see the movies come into this forum to join our discussions? What will happen then? They will think that what they know is true, though their knowledge may be filled with lies and half-truths. A pain it will be for those of us who were here before the movies to listen to them, and it will be impossible for us to teach them." And again he was interrupted by the same member of the council, "This has already been discussed here. You say that you bring doom, but one could say that you are here only to gain our attention for a while, wasting our time with old news." "And he would be rash indeed that said that thing," said the other member of the council, "without letting the messenger give his full message first." Again, he nodded to the messenger, though it was clear that even his patience was slowly wearing out. The messenger drew a deep breath, then said, "It is in fact a riddle that brought me here. Not long ago, a dream came to me, in which I heard a voice, remote but clear, crying: If the movies will fail, if the movies are wrong, If Jackson betrays us for statues of gold, An end may be put here to wisdom and song, Wise words of today will be legends of old. Does the Balrog have wings? It concerns them no more! They think they have seen what is true, what is right, An end may be put here to wisdom and lore, One day may be followed by morningless night Will this be a place then where things are still right? Or will Filmwraiths soon haunt us on black dreadful steeds? Can we talk of Mithrandir and of Gandalf the White? Or will they instead talk of McKellen's deeds? And will they discuss why the soundtrack is lame, Or ask where to buy Arwen Evenstar's sword? And some think that Al Rond is her father's name, Since read they have never the true written word. Can the future perhaps be less dark than it looks? And are they not as bad as we may believe? After watching the films, will they buy all the books? Or is such a thought rather much too naive? There was silence for a long time, then the messenger continued, "What do you think what the future shall bring? Is it like the riddle says? I have always been in favor of making these movies, and I still am, though is it possible that those who knew the books before the movies will fail and many fair things will fade and be forgotten?" PS: Yes, I did steal some lines from the books. ;) PPS: SCNR -- Marc Greis greis@cs.uni-bonn.de ###### From: Ermanna Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: The Fate of the Elves after the Destruction of the One Ring Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 15:18:28 -0400 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3808CF75.D9D850DF@erols.com> References: <7ua7oh$u6g@news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> Reply-To: jsolinas@erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: tS4PZtIjWi3cZCneXhohZJHyQPaCq6YYoOsDfZrAvqs= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Oct 1999 21:47:13 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Marc Greis wrote: LOL > Marc Greis Ermanna the Elven Jedi Knight See, I know where I am, and where I want to go, I've got angels to show me the way! ###### From: "Conrad Dunkerson" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: The Fate of the Elves after the Destruction of the One Ring Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 15:22:57 -0400 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 39 Message-ID: <7uassm$4dq$3@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <7ua7oh$u6g@news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> Reply-To: "Conrad Dunkerson" NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.75.64.222 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 940111574 4538 12.75.64.222 (16 Oct 1999 22:06:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Oct 1999 22:06:14 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail Marc Greis wrote in message news:7ua7oh$u6g@news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de... > "The Fate of the Elves after the Destruction of the One > Ring" or "The Fate of this Newsgroup after the Making of > the Movies" > There was silence for a long time, then the messenger > continued, "What do you think what the future shall > bring? Is it like the riddle says? I have always been in > favor of making these movies, and I still am, though > is it possible that those who knew the books before the > movies will fail and many fair things will fade and be > forgotten?" Hi Marc. Personally, even taking all your warnings into account, I am not much alarmed by the advent of the movies. We have survived movies in the past. We have survived Middle Earth Roleplaying. We have survived dozens of computer games. All but a blip on the radar screen. Even should these new movies prove to be wildly successful I cannot see them managing to drown out the lasting legacy of the books for more than a brief season. Few movies have an impact lasting beyond the months they remain in the theatres. We may well be besieged and drowned out for a time, but look around you and see the echoing emptiness which might be filled by a thousand active movie fan groups... once their season has passed they shrivel up and fade away. Now, if they were to make a 'Lord of the Rings' television series - THEN I would know fear. ###### From: the softrat Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: The Fate of the Elves after the Destruction of the One Ring Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 17:39:48 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <7ua7oh$u6g@news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> <7uassm$4dq$3@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <7ub00f$4aj$1@cubacola.tninet.se> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 00:58:25 +0200, "Paris" wrote: > >That--if properly done--would be better than a movie, since the length of it >would make it possible to be more faithful to the books. I have heard that >Brideshead Revisited, perhaps the best TV series ever made, reproduced the >entire dialogue, word for word, from Evelyn Waugh's book (don't know if it's >true, since I haven't read it). Imagine a well-produced, well-acted English >TV-series of about, say, fifteen to twenty hour-long episodes. Such a >project might even make me reconsider my opinion on filming Tolkien. > Well, the TV series did NOT reproduce the book word-for-word! Maybe the dialog, I didn't check. But BR is the most faithful translation of book-to-screen I have seen. It was excellent! I hear that there is a Russian/BBC "War and Peace" .... the softrat mailto:softrat@pobox.com ###### From: "Paris" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: re: The Fate of the Elves after the Destruction of the One Ring Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 00:58:25 +0200 Organization: Telenordia Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7ub00f$4aj$1@cubacola.tninet.se> References: <7ua7oh$u6g@news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> <7uassm$4dq$3@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: sdu31-234.ppp.algonet.se X-Trace: cubacola.tninet.se 940114767 4435 195.163.234.31 (16 Oct 1999 22:59:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@algo.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Oct 1999 22:59:27 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!iol.ie!newsfeed.icl.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!pepsi.tninet.se!not-for-mail > > Now, if they were to make a 'Lord of the Rings' television > series - THEN I would know fear. > That--if properly done--would be better than a movie, since the length of it would make it possible to be more faithful to the books. I have heard that Brideshead Revisited, perhaps the best TV series ever made, reproduced the entire dialogue, word for word, from Evelyn Waugh's book (don't know if it's true, since I haven't read it). Imagine a well-produced, well-acted English TV-series of about, say, fifteen to twenty hour-long episodes. Such a project might even make me reconsider my opinion on filming Tolkien. Marc: LOL! Your wit is devastating. Hope to read more from you here. ###### From: prembone@excitebitespam.com (Prembone) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: The Fate of the Elves after the Destruction of the One Ring Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 05:27:49 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sat Oct 16 22:35:03 1999 References: <7ua7oh$u6g@news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Organization: The Rescue Frodo SWAT Team X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-002mnminnp315.dialsprint.net X-ELN-Date: 17 Oct 1999 05:34:58 GMT Message-ID: <38095e29.372164898@news.earthlink.net> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newspeer.ebone.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!newspeer1.nac.net!netnews.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail On 16 Oct 1999 16:05:37 GMT, Marc Greis wrote: >"The Fate of the Elves after the Destruction of the One Ring" >or "The Fate of this Newsgroup after the Making of the Movies" Feeling melodramatic, are we? ;-) Hakuna matata... "And I hope my Sam's behaved hisself and given satisfaction?" "Perfect satisfaction, Mr. Gamgee," said Frodo. MythTakes: Tolkien Parody http://mythtakes.tsx.org ~~~Where the Tildeful People go~~~ ###### From: "Öjevind Lång" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <7ua7oh$u6g@news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> Subject: Re: The Fate of the Elves after the Destruction of the One Ring Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.94.245 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 940193006 212.151.94.245 (Sun, 17 Oct 1999 22:43:26 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 22:43:26 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 X-Sender: s-774765@d212-151-94-245.swipnet.se Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 22:43:29 +0200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!uunet!ams.uu.net!do.de.uu.net!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail Marc Greis hath written: > >"The Fate of the Elves after the Destruction of the One Ring" >or "The Fate of this Newsgroup after the Making of the Movies" [snip] >PS: Yes, I did steal some lines from the books. ;) >PPS: SCNR In that case it was well stolen! Bravo! Öjevind -- ###### Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: The Fate of the Elves after the Destruction of the One Ring References: <7ua7oh$u6g@news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test70 (17 January 1999) From: sbjensen@midway.uchicago.edu (Steuard Jensen) Lines: 28 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:45:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.135.12.7 X-Trace: uchinews 940463131 128.135.12.7 (Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:45:31 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:45:31 CDT Organization: The University of Chicago Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!uchinews!not-for-mail Quoth Marc Greis : > One day, as the members of the council called rec.arts.books.tolkien > were gathered again to discuss matters of lore, one stepped among > them who had not been seen in their midst for a long time. Wow... vague memories stir... almost, almost as if I actually recognize a name from long ago. Any chance you'll be sticking around, Marc? Or will you just drop by to see if we've been overwhelmed after the movies start coming out? :) Honestly, I've had similar concerns. However, I'm optimistic for two reasons. First, I have high hopes that folks will reasonably quickly absorb our ancient culture here: it should be quite clear quite quickly that the films rank awfully low on the "what is canonical" scale. Second, a bit less optimistically, it's entirely possible that the mob will only find alt.fan.tolkien, and will not think to look in the rec.arts.books hierarchy for discussion of their favorite films. The guess (made by someone else in this thread) that the films' impact will fade is very likely to come true, but there is always the chance that they'll be good enough to last a while. If that happens, then we can expect movie fans to be here indefinitely. Presumably, however, die-hard long term fans of the film would be sure to seek out the books (after all, many die hard Star Wars fans often read the sequel books, and they aren't "canonical" in the least, as far as I know). Having said all that... good parody! Steuard Jensen ###### Message-ID: <380F16C4.2FA964E5@hotmail.com> From: Hazel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: The Fate of the Elves after the Destruction of the One Ring References: <7ua7oh$u6g@news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 52 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 15:36:04 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.115.22.67 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 940512947 192.115.22.67 (Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:35:47 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:35:47 GMT Organization: Verio Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail I've more or less lurked here since I first subscribed, but this one... Steuard Jensen wrote: > The guess (made by someone else in this thread) that the films' impact > will fade is very likely to come true, but there is always the chance > that they'll be good enough to last a while. If that happens, then we > can expect movie fans to be here indefinitely. Presumably, however, > die-hard long term fans of the film would be sure to seek out the > books (after all, many die hard Star Wars fans often read the sequel > books, and they aren't "canonical" in the least, as far as I know). Steuard, as someone who most probably qualifies as a die-hard Star Wars fan, I'm here to tell you that your comment is *not* a cause for optimism. I participate regularly in a Star Wars message board that ostensibly deals with fanfic but more often wanders into merrily trashing the published novels and sneering at George Lucas. Come to think of it, in a lot of ways it's like this place. ;) After a newcomer posts two or three messages, it's easy to put that person into one of two categories: someone who was a Star Wars fan before Tim Zahn started the flood of books, and someone who *became* a Star Wars fan *through* the SW books. So what's the problem? Simple: Someone who became a SW fan before 1990 may or may not read all the books, likes some but not all, and treats them more or less as fanfic that the lucky author actually got paid to write. On the other hand, someone who falls into the second category invariably looks at the new characters introduced through the novels as just as much a part of "canon" as the characters in movies. (Whaddaya mean, Luke doesn't marry Mara Jade and Wedge doesn't love a [literally] airhead piece of blue fluff who designed the Death Star? It's in the books!!!) So here we have a similar situation, only in reverse. Instead of the movie being "canon" and the books the interpretations of others, we have the books as "canon" (no kidding!) with Peter Jackson's interpretation creating the movie.With my experience with the "younger generation" of Star Wars fan, I'm not too sure we can hope that those who are captivated by the movie will ever supplant the impressions and ideas of the film with the true magic of Tolkien. "Hey, who's this guy Glorfindel? *That's* not what happened! Why isn't Arwen around?!" All efforts to point out that The Book Came First will not help. Trust me, it's going to happen... Sigh. Hazel (back to lurking) ###### From: orius@webtv.net (David Sulger) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: The Fate of the Elves after the Destruction of the One Ring Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 11 Message-ID: <20805-380FCA2B-158@storefull-251.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <380F16C4.2FA964E5@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAiU1pzd//U6WG/T7rkkW6QnF4LkMCFB7iHk6XskkXVuzfGxztQ7f5/sy9 Content-Disposition: Inline Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail Hazel wrote: >Whaddaya mean, Luke doesn't marry >Mara Jade Holy Shit! What have I been missing? --Dave ###### From: Ermanna Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: The Fate of the Elves after the Destruction of the One Ring Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:46:02 -0400 Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3810B0E7.F0C441A6@erols.com> References: <380F16C4.2FA964E5@hotmail.com> <20805-380FCA2B-158@storefull-251.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: jsolinas@erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: I/U4dDk8T67sNk5WrEwdUir9uwnH27z5FVRd7E9M0Ro= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Oct 1999 19:03:31 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!uninett.no!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feeder.qis.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail David Sulger wrote: > Hazel wrote: > > >Whaddaya mean, Luke doesn't marry > >Mara Jade > > Holy Shit! > > What have I been missing? Read the books, Dave. It is your destiny. (pss. not the Black Fleet Crisis. it's terrible. they'll try to get you, but don't let them. RUN, DAVE! SAVE YOURSELF!) > Dave Ermanna the Elven Jedi Knight Who needs the Force? May the Valar be with you. ###### From: orius@webtv.net (David Sulger) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: The Fate of the Elves after the Destruction of the One Ring Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 02:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 16 Message-ID: <12959-38115325-27@storefull-254.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <3810B0E7.F0C441A6@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAqLyRNlNQhiSmpIUb9c8yE6e42+gCFDonWV+1XSOSYTfwyABSSRvmVBy+ Content-Disposition: Inline Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail Ermanna wrote: >pss. not the Black Fleet Crisis. it's >terrible. they'll try to get you, but don't let >them. RUN, DAVE! SAVE YOURSELF!) You're a little late. I already suffered through that pile of dreck. What I meant were the more recent books, published within the last year or so. I've already read most of the earlier books that deal with the post-RotJ galaxy. --Dave ###### From: Marc Greis Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: The Fate of the Elves after the Destruction of the One Ring Date: 23 Oct 1999 09:33:12 GMT Organization: RHRZ - University of Bonn (Germany) Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7urvco$1504@news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> References: <7ua7oh$u6g@news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: dorsch.informatik.uni-bonn.de User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-981225 ("Volcane") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.7 (i86pc)) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!not-for-mail Steuard Jensen wrote: > Wow... vague memories stir... almost, almost as if I actually > recognize a name from long ago. Any chance you'll be sticking around, > Marc? Or will you just drop by to see if we've been overwhelmed after > the movies start coming out? :) Ah, I'll be dropping in and out as my (very limited) time allows. ;) While I actually agree with most of your comments, I should note that everyone seems to have missed the irony in my original posting: I claimed that it may be possible that this newsgroup will be overwhelmed by people who think that Arwen is Xena's sister, but I guess it will be easy to avoid such postings, or else this newsgroup would have been overwhelmed by off-topic postings regarding pornography quite a while ago. ;) Best regards, Marc -- Marc Greis greis@cs.uni-bonn.de ###### From: Jevon den Ridder Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: The Fate of the Elves after the Destruction of the One Ring Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 02:17:14 +0100 Organization: NTL Internet News Service Lines: 50 Message-ID: <38125E1A.1FB0@cableol.co.uk> References: <3810B0E7.F0C441A6@erols.com> <12959-38115325-27@storefull-254.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: jde2@cableol.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: pc196-wok1.cable.ntl.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: nclient7-gui.server.ntli.net 940728303 16989 212.250.181.196 (24 Oct 1999 01:25:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@net.ntl.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Oct 1999 01:25:03 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.tli.de!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!news11-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!not-for-mail David Sulger wrote: > > Ermanna wrote: > > >pss. not the Black Fleet Crisis. it's > >terrible. they'll try to get you, but don't let > >them. RUN, DAVE! SAVE YOURSELF!) > > You're a little late. I already suffered through that pile of dreck. > > What I meant were the more recent books, published within the last year > or so. > > I've already read most of the earlier books that deal with the post-RotJ > galaxy. Missed most of this thread, but for anyone not interested in everything that happened post-ROTJ, just read the following: The original and new Han Solo trilogies The X-wing books Everything else by Timothy Zahn and Michael A. Stackpole And the new one, by new publisher Del Rey, part one of the ongoing New Jedi Order series of 30 or so books. Haven't read it, but it's supposed to be good enough, although it's created a lot of controversy with hard-core SW fans because (SPOILER FOR THE BOOK) Chewbacca is killed off. Personally I think it's refreshing, although it's a loss of a good, likeable character. -- [Something New] Rev. Jevon den Ridder [Remove NOSPAM for email] http://welcome.to/agelastos ###### From: fernwithy@aol.com (FernWithy) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: The Fate of the Elves after the Destruction of the One Ring Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Oct 1999 19:52:28 GMT References: <20805-380FCA2B-158@storefull-251.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991024155228.29709.00000638@ng-fz1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail >>Whaddaya mean, Luke doesn't marry >>Mara Jade > >Holy Shit! > >What have I been missing? More EU junk. Pay it no heed. Mara who? ;) (Seriously, I guess it's a plot point in the current novel. The response to it was fairly good in a poll at theforce.net -- 43% declared it "Wizard!" and only19% said "Poodoo" to the whole idea.) --- FernWithy