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RingSlayer wrote:

<snip rest of trivia quiz to avoid excessive bandwith>

> 19) What was Lugburz?

Well, what *was* it, really? When Pippin and Merry repeat some of the orcs'
conversations to Aragorn, Aragorn clearly refers to "Mordor, or Lugburz as they call
it..." Yet when Sam is *in* Mordor, trying to get Frodo out of Cirith Ungol, the orcs
talk about reporting to Lugburz, which seems to indicate that it's actually Barad-dur.

Opinions?

(and apologies to anyone who wanted to play this quiz and actually didn't know the
answer...)

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On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:09:14 +0200, Creole <creole24@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>RingSlayer wrote:
>
><snip rest of trivia quiz to avoid excessive bandwith>
>
>> 19) What was Lugburz?
>
>Well, what *was* it, really? When Pippin and Merry repeat some of the orcs'
>conversations to Aragorn, Aragorn clearly refers to "Mordor, or Lugburz as they call
>it..." Yet when Sam is *in* Mordor, trying to get Frodo out of Cirith Ungol, the orcs
>talk about reporting to Lugburz, which seems to indicate that it's actually Barad-dur.
>
>Opinions?

It's obviously Barad-dur.  That's what 'Lugburz' means: 'Dark Tower'.

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Mark Wells wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:09:14 +0200, Creole <creole24@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> 19) What was Lugburz?
> >
> >Well, what *was* it, really? When Pippin and Merry repeat some of the orcs'
> >conversations to Aragorn, Aragorn clearly refers to "Mordor, or Lugburz as they call
> >it..." Yet when Sam is *in* Mordor, trying to get Frodo out of Cirith Ungol, the orcs
> >talk about reporting to Lugburz, which seems to indicate that it's actually Barad-dur.
> >
> >Opinions?
>
> It's obviously Barad-dur.  That's what 'Lugburz' means: 'Dark Tower'.

Thank you. One of these days I'll take that Tolkien 101 Foreign Language course. :)

Creole

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On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:58:23 +0200, Creole <creole24@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Thank you. One of these days I'll take that Tolkien 101 Foreign Language course. :)

The Black Speech isn't very well-documented; even experts on Tolkien's
languages consider it very obscure.  The Tolkien Foreign Language 101 course
primarily covers Quenya and Sindarin.