From: "Evilos" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Elf Ships Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:40:31 -0000 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7ons8p$1oeu$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206-57-105-221.nas-2.mon.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 934245465 57822 206.57.105.221 (10 Aug 1999 00:37:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 1999 00:37:45 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail No one ever responded to the last post, so Ill do it again. How did the Elves actually go about 'going west'? In order to do that after the change of the world, youd have to leave the circles of the world! How did that happen?! My guess is primitive rockets. They would strap them on to the boat and blast off to the blessed lands. But! Why didn't the elves tell anyone? Who were they to keep this amazing technology to themselves?! With this kind of power, the whole fellowship of the ring could have gotten into a wagon, and blasted to Mordor in an Iron chariot! What kind of trouble would the Nazgul pose after they were run down?? That would have saved the whole of Middle Earth a lot of trouble. Damn condescending elves... ###### Message-ID: <37AF7ADB.C1A60A7@wizard.net> From: "James Kuyper Jr." Organization: Not Enough X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.36 i686) X-Accept-Language: en-US,en-GB,de,es,ru MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Elf Ships References: <7ons8p$1oeu$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.161.15.74 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 934246879 206.161.15.74 (Mon, 09 Aug 1999 21:01:19 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 21:01:19 EDT Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 21:05:31 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub1.ispnews.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Evilos wrote: > > No one ever responded to the last post, so Ill do it again. Hey! I'm someone (last time I checked). You can find my response (dated July 19) on dejanews, if you you didn't see it the first time around. That was two weeks after your original post, but I was having newserver/newsreader problems last month. ###### From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?E=E4rendil?= the Mariner Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Elf Ships Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 22:54:01 -0400 Organization: Havens of the River Sirion Lines: 29 Message-ID: <37AF9447.DD9ECCB1@ma.ultranet.com> References: <7ons8p$1oeu$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Reply-To: sauron.darklord@bigfoot.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: nquHdsFTxp4s9WRCcm5l/NoTCy/DCq+2YofTALBtrQ4= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 1999 02:51:32 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail That brings up a question i've long had. When mount doom was erupting and the whole land of mordor was being blown to hell, the eagles came down and picked up sam and frodo. If they could do that, why couldn't they send in a couple as decoys, to confuse Sauron, then have Gwaihir just carry frodo to the cracks of doom, throw the Ring in, and fly away with frodo? sure would've saved *him* a lot of trouble. As to the reality of your question, there was a "Straight Road", as opposed to the bent roads on earth, from the Western Sea to Valinor, which only the Eldar were allowed to find. Then, their ships just kinda hover thru the Ilmen over to Valinor. Hey, if Earendil could do it, everyone else can, too! Earendil Evilos wrote: > No one ever responded to the last post, so Ill do it again. > How did the Elves actually go about 'going west'? In order to > do that after the change of the world, youd have to leave the > circles of the world! How did that happen?! My guess is primitive > rockets. They would strap them on to the boat and blast off to the > blessed lands. > But! Why didn't the elves tell anyone? Who were they to keep this > amazing technology to themselves?! With this kind of power, the whole > fellowship of the ring could have gotten into a wagon, and blasted to Mordor > in an Iron chariot! What kind of trouble would the Nazgul pose after they > were run down?? That would have saved the whole of Middle Earth a lot of > trouble. Damn condescending elves... ###### From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?E=E4rendil?= the Mariner Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Elf Ships Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 22:55:40 -0400 Organization: Havens of the River Sirion Lines: 29 Message-ID: <37AF94AA.81552535@ma.ultranet.com> References: <7ons8p$1oeu$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Reply-To: sauron.darklord@bigfoot.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: Yfe3M4W7AvnAKCRDJRk/C309HiZ2Q9iqlpivyYKekhQ= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 1999 02:54:11 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail That brings up a question i've long had. When mount doom was erupting and the whole land of mordor was being blown to hell, the eagles came down and picked up sam and frodo. If they could do that, why couldn't they send in a couple as decoys, to confuse Sauron, then have Gwaihir just carry frodo to the cracks of doom, throw the Ring in, and fly away with frodo? sure would've saved *him* a lot of trouble. As to the reality of your question, there was a "Straight Road", as opposed to the bent roads on earth, from the Western Sea to Valinor, which only the Eldar were allowed to find. Then, their ships just kinda hover thru the Ilmen over to Valinor. Hey, if Earendil could do it, everyone else can, too! -Earendil Evilos wrote: > No one ever responded to the last post, so Ill do it again. > How did the Elves actually go about 'going west'? In order to > do that after the change of the world, youd have to leave the > circles of the world! How did that happen?! My guess is primitive > rockets. They would strap them on to the boat and blast off to the > blessed lands. > But! Why didn't the elves tell anyone? Who were they to keep this > amazing technology to themselves?! With this kind of power, the whole > fellowship of the ring could have gotten into a wagon, and blasted to Mordor > in an Iron chariot! What kind of trouble would the Nazgul pose after they > were run down?? That would have saved the whole of Middle Earth a lot of > trouble. Damn condescending elves... ###### From: Michael Martinez Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Elf Ships Date: 10 Aug 1999 04:55:39 -0700 Organization: The Xenite.Org Domain -- Worlds of Imagination on the Web Lines: 38 Message-ID: <7op3vr$n8o@drn.newsguy.com> References: <7ons8p$1oeu$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-081.newsdawg.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Keywords: hallowed, ships, voyage, straight road On Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:40:31 -0000, in article <7ons8p$1oeu$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, "Evilos" resolved to say for all to read and review: > >No one ever responded to the last post, so Ill do it again. >How did the Elves actually go about 'going west'? In order to >do that after the change of the world, youd have to leave the >circles of the world! How did that happen?! My guess is primitive >rockets. They would strap them on to the boat and blast off to the >blessed lands. Although your post seems extremely light-hearted, I thought I'd give you a straight answer nonetheless, since others might be interested in the "real" answer. The 'immortals' who were permitted to leave Middle-earth and seek AMAN -- the undying lands of VALINOR and ERESSEA, an island assigned to the ELDAR -- set sail in ships specially made and hallowed for this voyage, and steered due West towards the ancient site of these lands. They only set out after sundown; but if any keen-eyed observer from that shore had watched one of these ships he might have seen that it never became hull-down but dwindled only by distance until it vanished in the twilight: it followed the straight road to the true West and not the bent road of the earth's surface. As it vanished it left the physical world. There was no return. The Elves who took this road and those 'mortals' who by special grace went with them, had abandoned the 'History of the world' and could play no further part in it. (From THE LETTERS OF J.R.R. Tolkien, Letter 325) -- \\ // Worlds of Imagination on the Web info@xenite.org \\// //\\ Michael@xenite.org [http://www.xenite.org/index.htm] // \\ENITE.org.......................................................... ###### Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien From: debi@_NOSPAMMING_blazenet.net (Tatonga®) Subject: Re: Elf Ships References: <7ons8p$1oeu$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Lines: 20 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:47:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.104.44.19 X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com X-Trace: news3.usenetserver.com 934278918 24.104.44.19 (Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:55:18 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:55:18 EDT Organization: UseNet Server, Inc. http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news-in.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!news3.usenetserver.com.POSTED!tatonga X-No-Archive: yes In article <7ons8p$1oeu$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, "Evilos" wrote: >No one ever responded to the last post, so Ill do it again. >How did the Elves actually go about 'going west'? In order to >do that after the change of the world, youd have to leave the >circles of the world! How did that happen?! My guess is primitive >rockets. They would strap them on to the boat and blast off to the >blessed lands. >But! Why didn't the elves tell anyone? Who were they to keep this >amazing technology to themselves?! With this kind of power, the whole >fellowship of the ring could have gotten into a wagon, and blasted to Mordor >in an Iron chariot! What kind of trouble would the Nazgul pose after they >were run down?? That would have saved the whole of Middle Earth a lot of >trouble. Damn condescending elves... > > It probably also involves express permission from Manwe, else the ship would follow the bent world and never gain access to the straight path to the ancient west. ###### Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien From: debi@_NOSPAMMING_blazenet.net (Tatonga®) Subject: Re: Elf Ships References: <7ons8p$1oeu$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <37AF9447.DD9ECCB1@ma.ultranet.com> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Lines: 12 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:49:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.104.44.19 X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com X-Trace: news3.usenetserver.com 934279067 24.104.44.19 (Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:57:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:57:47 EDT Organization: UseNet Server, Inc. http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-peer-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-in.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!news3.usenetserver.com.POSTED!tatonga X-No-Archive: yes In article <37AF9447.DD9ECCB1@ma.ultranet.com>, sauron.darklord@bigfoot.com wrote: >That brings up a question i've long had. When mount doom was erupting and the >whole land of mordor was being blown to hell, the eagles came down and picked >up sam and frodo. If they could do that, why couldn't they send in a couple as >decoys, to confuse Sauron, then have Gwaihir just carry frodo to the cracks of >doom, throw the Ring in, and fly away with frodo? sure would've saved *him* a >lot of trouble. I am sure that the Nazgul would have taken acception to their transversing their master's domain. Once the ring was destroyed, the Nazgul became powerless and without form, the eagles gained passage. ###### rom: Flame of the West Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Elf Ships Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:06:17 -0400 Lines: 44 Message-ID: <37B0F6B6.9140F791@erols.com> References: <7ons8p$1oeu$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <37AF9447.DD9ECCB1@ma.ultranet.com> Reply-To: jsolinas@erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: lbcKUwqefIiSs56QhcSYdrnhHVQIVExHZjl89CCFJJA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Aug 1999 04:11:00 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Eärendil the Mariner wrote: > That brings up a question i've long had. When mount doom was erupting and the > whole land of mordor was being blown to hell, the eagles came down and picked > up sam and frodo. If they could do that, why couldn't they send in a couple as > decoys, to confuse Sauron, then have Gwaihir just carry frodo to the cracks of > doom, throw the Ring in, and fly away with frodo? sure would've saved *him* a > lot of trouble. Just doesn't work: "...and Gwaihir swooped low over the Crack of Doom. Frodo drew out the Ring to cast it in, but paused. He saw how the gold looked very fair and pure; he thought how rich and beautiful was its color, how perfect was its roundness. It was an admirable thing and altogether precious. With an effort of will he made a movement, as if to cast it away - but he found that he had put it back in his pocket. Just then, a horrible cry pierced the cavern, and the Nazgūl hurtled toward the two. The Eight had not been misled by Samwise's attempt to decoy them, since the Dark Lord knew his Ring and could not be so easily fooled. The doom of Middle-Earth hung by a thread, so Gwaihir opened his mighty talons. With a last wail "Precious," Frodo fell and was gone. Out from the beleaguered hills knights of Gondor, Riders of Rohan, Dśnedain of the North, drove against wavering foes, kicking Southron and Easterling butt and taking names. Gandalf cried, "Stand and wait, Men of the West! This is the Hour of Doom! The reign of Sauron is ended. A shame about Frodo though." Aragorn replied, "Well, you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs." He drew out a winged crown and laid it on his head...." See what I mean? -- FotW "My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right." ###### From: orius@webtv.net (David Sulger) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Elf Ships Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 01:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Message-ID: <22357-37B1080A-110@newsd-251.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <7op3vr$n8o@drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRMQqWxw0fmkWXvzfkPPDUHOUjfEgIUWeVMHG1IeliQCuS8tgqBUMuhS84= Content-Disposition: Inline Lines: 10 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newscore.gigabell.net!newscore.ipf.de!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newspeer1.nac.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail I don't think the "straight road" involes any sort of technology. I think Tolkien meant this to be something mystical, something magical, in keeping with the character of the elven race. Remember that Tolkien wanted to create a wholly English mythology with his writings at one point. The elves leaving the world seems a lot like the Sidhe of Celtic folkore. They were believed to have once dwelled in the world, but then mostly passed away to a land of youth in the west. I think this myth was the primary inspiration for Tolkien's elves, as Teutonic folklore almost certainly inspired his dwarves. ###### From: chuckb@aztec.asu.edu (CHUCK BRAMLET) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Elf Ships Date: 18 Aug 1999 19:35:26 GMT Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ (USA) Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7pf1tu$q8q$1@news.asu.edu> References: <7ons8p$1oeu$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Reply-To: chuckb@aztec.asu.edu (CHUCK BRAMLET) NNTP-Posting-Host: aztec2.asu.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!esel!cosy.sbg.ac.at!nntprelay.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!CS.Arizona.EDU!math.arizona.edu!noao!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!news.asu.edu!aztec.asu.edu!chuckb In a previous article, debi@_NOSPAMMING_blazenet.net (Tatonga) says: >In article <7ons8p$1oeu$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, "Evilos" wrote: >>No one ever responded to the last post, so Ill do it again. >>How did the Elves actually go about 'going west'? In order to >>do that after the change of the world, youd have to leave the >>circles of the world! How did that happen?! My guess is primitive >>rockets. They would strap them on to the boat and blast off to the >>blessed lands. > > It probably also involves express permission from Manwe, else the ship >would follow the bent world and never gain access to the straight path to the >ancient west. > I found this one when looking for the answer to the Aman-Tol Erressa question. JRRT said that an Elvish ship would seem to the people on the shore to just get smaller and smaller - not to drop below the horizon as they normally do. I think he also implied that if one were on the ship that was not authorized to go to Aman, the ship would follow the earth's surface. Try Letters, #198 or 186. Or look in the index under Valinor. It's one of those letters. -- ###### Message-ID: <37BB2715.AF150FCE@mediaone.net> From: Cian X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Elf Ships References: <7ons8p$1oeu$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7pf1tu$q8q$1@news.asu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 26 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:35:17 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.128.99.214 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: ndnws01.ne.mediaone.net 935012186 24.128.99.214 (Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:36:26 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:36:26 EDT Organization: Road Runner Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!uunet!ams.uu.net!do.de.uu.net!newsfeed.tli.de!howland.erols.net!nntp.abs.net!chnws02.mediaone.net!24.128.1.101!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.60.9!ndnws01.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail CHUCK BRAMLET wrote: > I found this one when looking for the answer to the Aman-Tol Erressa > question. JRRT said that an Elvish ship would seem to the people on > the shore to just get smaller and smaller - not to drop below the > horizon as they normally do. I think he also implied that if one > were on the ship that was not authorized to go to Aman, the ship > would follow the earth's surface. > > Try Letters, #198 or 186. Or look in the index under Valinor. It's > one of those letters. >From Letter # 325 : (likely the one you're refering to) 'The 'immortals' who were permitted to leave Middle-earth and seek Aman - the undying lands of Valinor and Eressėa, an island assigned to the Eldar - set sail in ships specially made and hallowed for this voyage, and steered due West towards the ancient site of these lands. They only set out after sundown: but if any keen-eyed observer from that shore had watched one of these ships he might have seen that it never became hull-down but dwindled only by distance until it vanished in the twilight: it followed the straight road to the true West and not the bent road of the earth's surface. As it vanished it left the physical world. There was no return. ..." Cian ###### From: Jereeza Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Elf Ships Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:19:16 -0700 Organization: FFR Lines: 15 Message-ID: <37BBCC14.23A6@frodo.net> References: <37BB3359.60DAE51@mediaone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ar1-p56-ri.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as102.tel.hr 935021627 24373 195.29.232.56 (19 Aug 1999 00:13:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tel.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Aug 1999 00:13:47 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.219.255.8!argos.tel.hr!not-for-mail Cian wrote: > but if any > keen-eyed observer from that shore had watched one of these > ships he might have > seen that it never became hull-down but dwindled only by > distance until it vanished > in the twilight: it followed the straight road to the true > West and not the bent road of > the earth's surface. As it vanished it left the physical > world. There was no return. ...' I always thought the ship-rising-above-water scene to be one of the most impressive, if undescribed, in LotR. Imagine the grandeur it could do on film :) ###### Message-ID: <37BDB7AC.CB4AAD21@mediaone.net> From: Cian X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Elf Ships References: <37BB3359.60DAE51@mediaone.net> <37BBCC14.23A6@frodo.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:16:44 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.128.99.214 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: ndnws01.ne.mediaone.net 935180277 24.128.99.214 (Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:17:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:17:57 EDT Organization: Road Runner Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newscore.gigabell.net!newscore.ipf.de!newsfeed.tli.de!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!nntp.abs.net!chnws02.mediaone.net!24.128.1.101!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.60.9!ndnws01.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Jereeza wrote: > I always thought the ship-rising-above-water scene to be one of the most > impressive, if undescribed, in LotR. Imagine the grandeur it could do on > film :) Hmm.< imagining directorial powers - again!> Scene: '... the grey rain-curtain turned all to silver glass and was rolled back,..." and then a fleeting glimpse of '... a far green country under a swift sunrise.'-- then cut to Sam as '... he saw only a shadow on the waters that was soon lost in the West.' -- Mere cinematic moments later, Hobbits depart, Sam turns to Bywater and so back up the Hill. "Well, I'm Back." -- roll credits, elevate hauntingly beautiful score -- In theaters across the world, Tolkien fans and Tolkien neophytes alike weep at director Cian's incredibly faithful and stunning adaptation. Thus, Cian receives much money, not to mention a long awaited invite to tea with Christopher Tolkien. ;-)