From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?E=E4rendil?= the Mariner Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Tolkien in elven tongues? Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 22:31:22 -0400 Organization: Havens of the River Sirion Lines: 28 Message-ID: <37A502F7.241A8DA9@ma.ultranet.com> References: <19990801130911.04810.00005818@ng-bk1.aol.com> <7o2nmi$2oc6@drn.newsguy.com> Reply-To: sauron.darklord@bigfoot.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: M0ZgqlYbnph9JGkHVoh8yXW0pdB+cEK4c3345Ig4M6M= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 1999 02:28:10 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Tolkiendili sounds pretty good to me. But just as a random thought... An elf who heard "Tolkiendili" would most likely translate it not as "Those who love Tolkien", but "Those who love the Island Commander" (from "Tol"=island and "káno"=commander, often found at the end of words as "kan" or "gon" e.g. Turgon). This (perhaps) begs the question, does Tolkien, who labored to create not just one, but many new languages for his books, deserve a name of his own in an elvish tongue? I happen to like giving him a name like "The Master of Words" - or something along that line, which would probably end up as "Turbeth" or "Turquetta", depending whether you wanted to use Quenya or Sindarin. Any other suggestions are welcome. -Eärendil Michael Martinez wrote: > > Tolkies? No, too close to Trekkies. What would 'Tolkien lovers' be in > >Quenya or Sindarin? > > You could try Tolkiendili, maybe. ###### From: eilial@aol.comjunkfree (Aya Kristen Alt) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien in elven tongues? Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Aug 1999 03:46:22 GMT References: <37A502F7.241A8DA9@ma.ultranet.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <19990801234622.18168.00004017@ng-fn1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail >káno"=commander, often found at the end of words as "kan" or "gon" e.g. >Turgon). (forgive my ineptness and inability to figure out how to quote newsgroups efficiently with aol mentioning the poster...) but according to the etymologies, I think kan- actually means valour, and it is just messed up in the silm index, not to mention in the middle of a word i don't think it'd show up as a k, what with lentition being what it is and all. But i'm hardly a tolkien language scholar, so what do I know? ring ding, maybe, though :) toodles, Aya ###### From: "Arkady" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <19990801130911.04810.00005818@ng-bk1.aol.com> <7o2nmi$2oc6@drn.newsguy.com> <37A502F7.241A8DA9@ma.ultranet.com> Subject: Re: Tolkien in elven tongues? Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 17:14:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.126.147.124 X-Complaints-To: abuse@freeuk.net X-Trace: nnrp3.clara.net 933614046 212.126.147.124 (Mon, 02 Aug 1999 18:14:06 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 18:14:06 BST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp3.clara.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Eärendil the Mariner wrote in message news:37A502F7.241A8DA9@ma.ultranet.com... > Tolkiendili sounds pretty good to me. > > But just as a random thought... > An elf who heard "Tolkiendili" would most likely translate it not as "Those who > love Tolkien", but "Those who love the Island Commander" (from "Tol"=island and > "káno"=commander, often found at the end of words as "kan" or "gon" e.g. > Turgon). > Aha! The truth is revealed! Tolkien was a meglomaniac who wanted to take over Britain, so he created a language in which his name meant 'Island commander'! Or perhaps not... ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Tolkien in elven tongues? Date: 04 Aug 1999 19:00:24 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 42 Sender: neil@chonsp.franklin.ch Message-ID: <6u672vcwgn.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <19990801130911.04810.00005818@ng-bk1.aol.com> <7o2nmi$2oc6@drn.newsguy.com> <37A502F7.241A8DA9@ma.ultranet.com> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 =?iso-8859-1?Q?E=E4rendil?= the Mariner writes: > > This (perhaps) begs the question, does Tolkien, who labored to create not just > one, but many new languages for his books, deserve a name of his own in an > elvish tongue? Sure. > I happen to like giving him a name like "The Master of Words" - or something > along that line, which would probably end up as "Turbeth" or "Turquetta", > depending whether you wanted to use Quenya or Sindarin. Well in the Ardalambion there is a method for converting human names to Quqnya: http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf/elfnam.htm It uses only first names (Elves dont have family names), so we would need to take John Ronald Reuel Tolkien -> John. And that one is actually already translated there: ------- JOHN, IVAN: The English and the Russian form of the Greek name Ioannes, from Hebrew Yochanan = "Yo (Yahweh, Jehovah) Is Gracious". I cannot think of any perfect Quenya rendering, but Eru [ná] antala means "God Is Giving". Treating the participle as an adjective, we construct the name Eruantalon. Perhaps it can be contracted to Eruntalon. (For elision of a after u, compare Ú + *Amanyar = Úmanyar "those not of Aman" - see Silmarillion Index.) ------ So that makes him Eruntalon. Actually the meaning of the name is somehow fitting to his position in making his world. -- Neil Franklin, Nerd, Geek, Unix Wizzard and Guru, Hacker, Mystic neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Computer: toy that speeds work, so you have more time to play with it