From: Wes Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Favorite Quotes... Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:38:35 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 27 Jul 1999 23:40:15 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Tue Jul 27 16:45:06 1999 Organization: .. Lines: 13 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust29.tnt1.decatur.al.da.uu.net Message-ID: <379E42FB.DC546205@gmx.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail So, what is your favorite quote in all of Tolkien's works. Mine happens to be from the Silmarillion : "I know the desire of your minds and what ye have seen shall verily be, not only in your thought, but even as ye yourselves are, and yet other. Therefore I say: Ea! Let these things be!" That's a long one, but I would like to hear some of your favorite quotes. -- wes wesss@gmx.net icq - 42395728 ###### Message-ID: <379F0260.458E3B9D@mediaone.net> From: Cian X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re:Favorite Quotes ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:15:12 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.128.99.214 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: ndnws01.ne.mediaone.net 933167738 24.128.99.214 (Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:15:38 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:15:38 EDT Organization: Road Runner Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!netnews.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!24.128.1.101!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.60.9!ndnws01.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Ok, so I know everybody knows this one, but since I couldn't possibly pick out only -one- favorite in all of Tolkien-dom, I thought I'd post it. The humor of Sam squirming under Gandalf's interrogation is pure Tolkien, and this passage always reminds me for some reason of my first read of LOTR's, and the early realization that I was in for great journey -- I mean, who wouldn't want to see 'Elves and all' with the old wizard? 'Well, well, bless my beard!' said Gandalf. 'Sam Gamgee is it? Now what may you be doing?' 'Lor bless you, Mr. Gandalf, sir!' said Sam. 'Nothing! Leastways I was just trimming the grass border under the window, if you follow me.' He picked up his shears and exhibited them as evidence. 'I don't,' said Gandalf grimly. 'It is some time since I last heard the sound of your shears. How long have you been eavesdropping?' 'Eavesdropping, sir? I don't follow you, begging your pardon. There ain't no eaves at Bag End, and that's a fact.' :-) Cian ###### From: Earendil the Mariner Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favorite Quotes... Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 22:08:30 -0400 Lines: 47 Message-ID: <379E6609.5BEE53F2@ma.ultranet.com> References: <379E42FB.DC546205@gmx.net> Reply-To: mas613@ma.ultranet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: RCC0hJPvZpvsbkqVSlOzHoZALlT4mK/FoRozjLfo054= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jul 1999 02:05:03 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!iol.ie!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail I have a bunch - and they all happen to be from RotK (sorry if this gets long): "And in that very moment, away behind in some courtyard of the City, a cock crowed. Shrill and clear he crowed, recking nothing of wizardry or war, welcoming only the morning that in the sky far above the shadows of death was coming with the dawn." "'But now we come to strange matters,' [Faramir] said, 'For this is not the first halfling that I have seen walking out of northern legends into the Southlands.' At that Gandalf sat up and gripped the arms of his char; but he said nothing, and with a look stopped the exclamation on Pippin's lips." "Thus came Aragorn son of Arathorn, Elessar, Isildur's heir, out of the Paths of the Dead, borne upon a wind from the Sea to the kingdom of Gondor;..." I know I said all, but this is from tTT: "'The Enemy, of course, has long known that the Ring is abroad, and that it is borne by a hobbit. He knows now the number of our Company that set out from Rivendell, and the kind of each of us. But he does not yet perceive our purpose clealy. He supposed that we were all going to Minas Tirith; for that is what he would himself have done in our place. And according to his wisdom it would have been a heavy stroke against his power. Indeed he is in great fear, not knowing waht mighty one may suddenly appear, wielding the Ring, and assailing him with war, seeking to cast him down and take his place. That we should wish to cast him down and have NO one in his place is not a thought that occurs to his mind. That we should try to destroy the Ring itself has not yet entered into his darkest dream."' That being said, I must now type my favorite, which goes along with it: "And far away, as Frodo put on the Ring and claimed it for his own, even in Sammath Naur the very heart of his realm, the Power in Barad-dur was shaken, and the Tower trembled from its foundations to its proud and bitter crown. The Dark Lord was suddenly aware of him, and his Eye piercing all shadows looked across the plain to the door that he had made; and the magnitude of his own folly was revealed to him in a blinding flash, and all the devices of his enemies were at last laid bare. Then his wrath blazed in consuming flame, but his fear rose like a vast black smoke to choke him. For he knew his deadly peril and the thread upon which his doom now hung." -Earendil ###### From: Wes Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favorite Quotes... Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 22:11:32 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <379E42FB.DC546205@gmx.net> <379E6609.5BEE53F2@ma.ultranet.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 28 Jul 1999 03:13:14 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Tue Jul 27 20:15:12 1999 Organization: .. Lines: 19 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust201.tnt3.decatur.al.da.uu.net Message-ID: <379E74E4.CE7D85DB@gmx.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail Earendil the Mariner wrote: > "And far away, as Frodo put on the Ring and claimed it for his own, even > in Sammath Naur the very heart of his realm, the Power in Barad-dur was > shaken, and the Tower trembled from its foundations to its proud and > bitter crown. The Dark Lord was suddenly aware of him, and his Eye > piercing all shadows looked across the plain to the door that he had > made; and the magnitude of his own folly was revealed to him in a > blinding flash, and all the devices of his enemies were at last laid > bare. Then his wrath blazed in consuming flame, but his fear rose like a > vast black smoke to choke him. For he knew his deadly peril and the > thread upon which his doom now hung." > > -Earendil Wow.. that one still gives me chills. Good one! -- wes wesss@gmx.net icq - 42395728 ###### From: "Ron Kittle" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <379E42FB.DC546205@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Favorite Quotes... Lines: 12 Organization: www.kitgraphics.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 01:44:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.4.166.88 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.il.home.com 933126251 24.4.166.88 (Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:44:11 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:44:11 PDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!iol.ie!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.114.4.11!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.il.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Wes wrote in message news:379E42FB.DC546205@gmx.net... > So, what is your favorite quote in all of Tolkien's works. Mine > happens to be from the Silmarillion : "Teeth! Teeth! My precioussss; but we has only six!" Still makes my laugh every time I read it. Ron ###### From: fernwithy@aol.com (FernWithy) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favorite Quotes... Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Jul 1999 01:52:19 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990727215219.13365.00002651@ng-bd1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!iol.ie!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail "All shall love me and despair!" No, just kidding. It's actually her next line that's my favorite at the moment: "I pass the test. I will diminish, and go into the West, and remain Galadriel." I'm also fond of "Dawn is ever the hope of mankind." I like all the hobbit dialogue, but no one thing is standing out in my homework-addled brain at the moment. In the non-dialog area, the image that always struck me comes when Frodo and Sam have gotten across the Marshes with Gollum and are approaching the Black Gate: "They had come to the desolation that lay before Mordor: the lasting monument to the dark labour of its slaves that should endure when all their purposes were made void; a land defiled, diseased beyond all healing -- unless the Great Sea should enter and wash it with oblivion. 'I feel sick,' said Sam." --- FernWithy "If [moral] behavior is to be, it cannot be as a result of an intellectual moral stance; it is because there is such a thing as love, merely a practical fact, a practical force in human affairs." -- Stephen King (Danse Macabre) ###### From: ephebe22@aol.com (ryan k) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favorite Quotes... Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Jul 1999 03:10:23 GMT References: <379E42FB.DC546205@gmx.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990727231023.14012.00002571@ng-fj1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Wes: >So, what is your favorite quote in all of >Tolkien's works. Of all my favorite novels, LotR has to be the least quotable: Tolkien wasn't much of a stylist. That said, I like the juxtaposition of the hobbits' homely tune about the road and the elves' song about Gilthoniel and Elbereth near the beginning of The Fellowship. I can't remember the words off-hand, but it's a very nice effect, especially as it frames the appearance of the Black Rider, the import of which we only learn later and in fragments. I know that people have complained about the pace of the first book, but I think Tolkien does an excellent job. ###### From: bishop187@aol.comREMOVEME (Bishop or Warlock or whatever...) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favorite Quotes... Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Jul 1999 07:47:24 GMT References: <379E74E4.CE7D85DB@gmx.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990728034724.20405.00003183@ng-cf1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail I like the quote (which I don't have exactly right now) about the Ride of the Rohirrim. Something like "Great horns of the North wildly blowing. Rohan had come at last." hmm... if anyone happens to have it handy, could they email me that quote? Please? Pretty please? B (not your average AOheLLer) (and proud of it) Racism is being blind and thinking you can see... Please cc: all replies to me by email. (If you can't figure out how to do this, I probably don't wanna talk to you.) ###### From: "db" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favorite Quotes... Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:41:40 +0200 Organization: A2000 Kabeltelevisie en Telecommunicatie Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7nmmig$avc$1@weber.a2000.nl> References: <379E42FB.DC546205@gmx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: node11aae.a2000.nl X-Trace: weber.a2000.nl 933158288 11244 24.132.26.174 (28 Jul 1999 10:38:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@a2000.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jul 1999 10:38:08 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!pascal.a2000.nl!not-for-mail I haven't got the book with me, so maybe someone else can look it up, but one of the most chilling ones is where Gandalf and the Witch-King meet at the broken gates of Minas Tirith. You can just feel the electricity in the air... db Wes wrote in message <379E42FB.DC546205@gmx.net>... >That's a long one, but I would like to hear some of your favorite >quotes. ###### From: Earendil the Mariner Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favorite Quotes... Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 16:44:04 -0400 Lines: 37 Message-ID: <379F6B93.B6C107AF@ma.ultranet.com> References: <379E42FB.DC546205@gmx.net> <7nmmig$avc$1@weber.a2000.nl> Reply-To: mas613@ma.ultranet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: okcfDddhbFDpYVq0UGwJchCd18/5flNwV/bewEWUnsY= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jul 1999 20:40:56 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail "'You cannot enter here,' said Gandalf, and the huge shadow halted. 'Go back to the abysss prepared for you! Go back! Fall into the nothingness that awaits you and your Master. Go!' The Black Rider flung back his hood, and behold! he had a kingly crown; and yet upon no head visible was it set. The red fires shone between it and the mantled shoulders vast and dark. From a mouth unseen there came a deadly laughter.' 'Old fool!' he said. 'Olf fool! This is my hour. Do you not know Death when you see it? Die now and curse in vain!' And with that he lifted high his sword and flames ran down the blade.'" that is followed by everyone's fav, which has already been beaten to death in previous posts. I happen to like what comes in the next scene at Minas Tirith: "But it was no orc-cheiftain or brigand that led the assault upon Gondor. The darkness was breaking too soon, before the date that his Master had set for it: fortune had betrayed him; victory was slipping from his grasp even as he stretched out his hand to seize it. But his arm was long. He was still in command, wielding great powers. King, Ringwraith, Lord of the Nazgul, he had many weapons. He left the Gate and vanished." -Earendil db wrote: > I haven't got the book with me, so maybe someone else can look it up, but > one of the most chilling ones is where Gandalf and the Witch-King meet at > the broken gates of Minas Tirith. You can just feel the electricity in the > air... > db > > Wes wrote in message <379E42FB.DC546205@gmx.net>... > >That's a long one, but I would like to hear some of your favorite > >quotes. ###### From: "Laurie Forbes" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <379E42FB.DC546205@gmx.net> <379E6609.5BEE53F2@ma.ultranet.com> <379E74E4.CE7D85DB@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Favorite Quotes... Lines: 57 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:35:11 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.210.73.231 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 933197736 204.210.73.231 (Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:35:36 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:35:36 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!netnews.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Wes wrote in message news:379E74E4.CE7D85DB@gmx.net... > Earendil the Mariner wrote: > > "And far away, as Frodo put on the Ring and claimed it for his own, even > > in Sammath Naur the very heart of his realm, the Power in Barad-dur was > > shaken, and the Tower trembled from its foundations to its proud and > > bitter crown. The Dark Lord was suddenly aware of him, and his Eye > > piercing all shadows looked across the plain to the door that he had > > made; and the magnitude of his own folly was revealed to him in a > > blinding flash, and all the devices of his enemies were at last laid > > bare. Then his wrath blazed in consuming flame, but his fear rose like a > > vast black smoke to choke him. For he knew his deadly peril and the > > thread upon which his doom now hung." > > > > -Earendil > > Wow.. that one still gives me chills. Good one! > -- > wes LOL! I was just thinking, "Wow! That gave me the chills!". Then I saw YOUR post, Wes. My favorites: ----------------- Gildor to Frodo: "Then I think it is not for me to say more - lest terror should keep you from your journey. For it seems to me that you have set out only just in time, if indeed your are in time. You must now make haste, and neither stay nor turn back; for the Shire is no longer any protection to you." Glorfindel to Frodo and company: "Some of my kindred, journeying in your land beyond the Baranduin, learned that things were amiss, and sent messages as swiftly as they could. They said that the Nine were abroad, and that you were astray bearing a great burden with guidance, for Gandalf had not returned. There are few even in Rivendell that can ride openly against the Nine; but such as there were, Elrond sent out north, west and south." Gandalf to Frodo: "The Elves may fear the Dark Lord, and they may fly before him, but never again will they listen to him or serve him. And here in Rivendell there live still some of his chief foes: the Elven-wise, lords of the Eldar from beyond the furthest seas. They do not fear the Ringwraiths, for those who have dwelt in the Blessed Realm live at once in both worlds, and against both the Seen and the Unseen they have great power." Wow! Now I gave myself the chills! I'd better stop before I quote all of "Two Towers". -- Laurie " Gotta Be Chillin' " Forbes PS I also like every single thing that Faramir says. ###### From: echoota@aol.com (Neil Carr) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favorite Quotes... Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 19:07:12 GMT Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 9 Message-ID: <379f531c.20241698@news.supernews.com> References: <379E42FB.DC546205@gmx.net> Reply-To: echoota@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 933187997 EQ1NS704N392DB781 usenet49.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail The passages that stike me are the ones that always seem to have this wonderful pace and timing given to them. The most memorable on I can think of is the passage where Pippin and Gandalf are in Minas Tirith and talking in their room. The chapter ends with Gandalf saying there will be no morning because of darkness in the sky. That scene always struck me as being so filmable, it would be a travesty if Jackson doesn't keep to the scene as it is in the book. Gandalf gloomily states that the storm has begun and then WHAM, the chapter is done and we move on to another part of the story. ###### From: "dream wanderer" Subject: Re: Favorite Quotes... Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: ha05s127.d.shentel.net/204.111.52.127 References: <379E42FB.DC546205@gmx.net> <7nmmig$avc$1@weber.a2000.nl> <379F6B93.B6C107AF@ma.ultranet.com> X-TWRN-Tag: 933198132748 Lines: 21 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 21:42:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.205 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 933198129 216.200.3.205 (Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:42:09 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:42:09 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ameritech.net!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail I like the words of comfort Legolas gives Gimli after they leave Lorien... "But I count you blessed Gimli, son of Gloin. For the loss you suffer is of your own free will and you might have chosen otherwise. But you have not forsaken your companions and the lest reward that you shall have is that the memory of LothLorien shall remain ever clear and unstained in your heart, and shall not fade nor grow old and stale." I have wondered if the choice given Gimli was either to go on or to stay in Lorien where he could 'behold the beauty of Galandriel' and I would like to imagine that the 'clear memory' was a gift from Legolas...although I'm not certain if 'Wood-elves' could give such gifts... perhaps Legolas asked Galandriel to allow Gimli to have the comfort of the 'unstained memory'.... Sharo -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). ###### From: zzhou22876@aol.com (Akhronath) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favorite Quotes... Lines: 46 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Jul 1999 22:17:02 GMT References: <379E42FB.DC546205@gmx.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990728181702.24128.00003433@ng-fw1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail > So, what is your favorite quote in all of Tolkien's works. The Lay of Leithian, Canto XIII. Lines 3847-48: devoured, tormented, bored and ground by seething vermin spawned of stone A fine example of Tolkien's ability to use 'language' (i.e. as opposed to 'literary' skills) to portray mood. Even without departing from modern English, the very taste of the words in the mouth are perfect for the atmosphere. Lines 4169-4175: There came a breath; a gasping sound moved through the halls, as Orc and beast turned in their dreams of hideous feast; in sleep uneasy Balrogs stirred, and far above was faintly heard an echo that in tunnels rolled, a wolvish howling long and cold. I can't pick out just what it is about those lines that moves me, but they inspire more fear in my heart than any passage in LotR. They still haven't lost their magic after dozens of readings. Perhaps a genuine "quote" would be appropriate? Well, it might actually be in the introductory note to Tree and Leaf: "One of [_Leaf by Niggle_'s] sources was a great-limbed poplar tree that I could see even lying in bed. It was suddenly lopped and mutilated by its owner, I do not know why. It is cut down now, a less barbarous punishment for any crimes it may have been accused of, such as being large and alive. I do not think it had any friends, or any mourners, except myself and a pair of owls." -- JRRT __________ Akhronath http://members.aol.com/zzhou22876/ Till the Dark Lord lifts his hand Over dead sea and withered land... ###### From: smgcfam@aol.com (SMGCFAM) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favorite Quotes... Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Jul 1999 23:16:40 GMT References: <379E42FB.DC546205@gmx.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990728191640.01189.00000278@ng-fd1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail >So, what is your favorite quote in all of Tolkien's works. "Long have I wandered by roads forgotten, seeking the House of Elrond of which many had heard but few knew where it lay." I also like this paraphrase of a quote of Aragorn after the escape from Moria and the fall of Gandalf: "There might not be any hope, but there's always vengence." ###### From: colinr@toliman.uio.no (Colin Rosenthal) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favorite Quotes... Date: 29 Jul 1999 08:26:39 GMT Organization: University of Oslo, Norway Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7np37v$8h1$2@readme.uio.no> References: <379E42FB.DC546205@gmx.net> <379f531c.20241698@news.supernews.com> Reply-To: colin.rosenthal@astro.uio.no NNTP-Posting-Host: toliman.uio.no User-Agent: slrn/0.9.5.3 (UNIX) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!news-feed.ifi.uio.no!uio.no!nntp.uio.no!colinr On Wed, 28 Jul 1999 19:07:12 GMT, Neil Carr wrote: >The passages that stike me are the ones that always seem to have this >wonderful pace and timing given to them. The most memorable on I can >think of is the passage where Pippin and Gandalf are in Minas Tirith >and talking in their room. The chapter ends with Gandalf saying there >will be no morning because of darkness in the sky. One could write a very interesting essay on the developing relationship between Gandalf and Pippin over the course of the book - beginning with Gandalf's reported attempt to curb Pippin's enthusiasm in Rivendell, the Mines of Moria, Isengard, the Palantir, the ride to Gondor, and finally Gandalf's decision to take Pippin to the Black Gate as the representative of the entire Hobbit race at the Last Battle. The crucial episode would be Pippin's conflicted loyalties to Denethor and Gandalf and his resolution of them. -- Colin Rosenthal Astrophysics Institute University of Oslo ###### From: ephebe22@aol.com (ryan k) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favorite Quotes... Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Jul 1999 16:21:10 GMT References: <2TNSJXAgyCo3EwDr@clarsach.demon.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990729122110.21715.00003212@ng-fv1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail J.A. Lowde quotes, responds: >In article <379FE9F8.762A@droids.net>, Bread writes >>I just have this bad feeling that powers >>that be in Hollywood will get >>scriptwriters to "dumb down" the >>language so that the movie will >>"appeal" to a larger audience. > >Why do people say 'dumb down' instead of >'vulgarise'? I think this is a good question, tongue-in-cheek or no. The language in LotR isn't especially sophisticated or complicated to start with. It's formal, and a bit arcane, so the issue isn't "dumbing down" so much as rendering the dialogue in a more modern idiom. I agree, however, that someone "translating" the text into modern idiom does so to the detriment of the text. Elrond: "This is grievous news concerning Saruman," he said; "for we trusted him and he is deep in all our counsels." It might be rendered as follows: "This is bad news, about Saruman, I mean" he said. "We trusted him, and now he knows too much." Liberally laced with profanity, it becomes a line right out of Goodfellas (or Goodfellows, in Tolkienese =)). I don't think that one is "dumber" than the other, but the latter gets the tone all wrong. ###### From: "Ron Kittle" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <379F0260.458E3B9D@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Re:Favorite Quotes ... Lines: 29 Organization: www.kitgraphics.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:53:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.4.166.88 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.il.home.com 933188024 24.4.166.88 (Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:53:44 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:53:44 PDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.il.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Cian wrote in message news:379F0260.458E3B9D@mediaone.net... > Ok, so I know everybody knows this one, but since I couldn't possibly > pick out only -one- favorite in all of Tolkien-dom, I thought I'd post > it. The humor of Sam squirming under Gandalf's interrogation is pure > Tolkien, and this passage always reminds me for some reason of my first > read of LOTR's, and the early realization that I was in for great > journey -- I mean, who wouldn't want to see 'Elves and all' with the old > wizard? > > 'Well, well, bless my beard!' said Gandalf. 'Sam Gamgee is it? Now what > may you be doing?' > 'Lor bless you, Mr. Gandalf, sir!' said Sam. 'Nothing! Leastways I > was just trimming the grass border under the window, if you follow me.' > He picked up his shears and exhibited them as evidence. > 'I don't,' said Gandalf grimly. 'It is some time since I last heard > the sound of your shears. How long have you been eavesdropping?' > 'Eavesdropping, sir? I don't follow you, begging your pardon. There > ain't no eaves at Bag End, and that's a fact.' :-) > > Cian > Of Course, any Sam-ism can be considered a very good quote. ###### From: "Kevin Purcell" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favorite Quotes... Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:57:00 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 58 Message-ID: <7nrf1j$41b$1@nntp1.atl.mindspring.net> References: <379E42FB.DC546205@gmx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.c8.da X-Server-Date: 30 Jul 1999 06:00:19 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail OK, I'll play too... I only have a few and I'll edit down the long ones. From The Silmarillion, "Of the Ruin of Beleriand" "...Then Fingolfin beheld (as it seemed to him) the utter ruin of the Noldor, and the defeat beyond redress of all their houses; and filled with wrath and despair he mounted upon Rochallor his great horse and rode forth alone, and none might restrain him. He passed over Dor-nu-Fauglith like a wind amid the dust, and all that beheld his onset fled in amaze, thinking that Oromë himself was come... Thus he came alone to Angband's gates, and he sounded his horn, and smote once more upon the brazen doors, and challenged Morgoth to come forth to single combat. And Morgoth came. "...And he issued forth clad in black armour; and he stood before the King like a tower, iron-crowned, and his vast shield, sable unblazoned, cast a shadow over him like a stormcloud. But Fingolfin gleamed beneath it as a star; for his mail was overlaid with silver, and his blue shield was set with crystals; and he drew his sword Ringil, that glittered like ice." Also from S., "Of Beren and Luthien" "They buried the body of Felagund upon the hill-top of his own isle, and it was clean again; and the green grave of Finrod Finarfin's son, fairest of all the princes of the Elves, remained inviolate, until the land was changed and broken, and foundered under destroying seas. But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees of Eldamar." That paragraph just floored me when I first read it. Something about how it really stands out in context. This is in the midst of some really dark and depressing stuff in "Of Beren and Luthien" and Tolkien takes a brief second out for that little gem of a paragraph. Last, just to jump on the "Battle of the Pelennor Fields" bandwagon, this is (obviously) from RotK: "Then out of the blackness in [Merry's] mind he thought that he heard Dernhelm speaking; yet now the voice seemed strange, recalling some other voice that he had known. 'Begone, foul dwimmerlaik, lord of carrion! Leave the dead in peace!' A cold voice answered: 'Come not between the Nazgûl and his prey! Or he will not slay thee in thy turn. He will bear thee away to the house of lamentation, beyond all darkness, where thy flesh shall be devoured, and thy shrivelled mind be left naked to the Lidless Eye.' A sword rang as it was drawn. 'Do what you will; but I will hinder it, if I may.' 'Hinder me? Thou fool. No living man may hinder me!' Then Merry heard of all sounds in that hour the strangest. It seemd that Dernhelm laughed, and the clear voice was like the ring of steel. 'But no living man am I! You look upon a woman. Éowyn I am, Éomund's daughter. You stand between me and my lord and kin. Begone, if you be not deathless! For living or dark undead, I will smite you, if you touch him.'" Tolkien: proto-feminist. And King of Understatement. I love how the seventh ring of hell is referred to as the "house of lamentation". KTP ###### From: gordonlew@aol.com (GordonLew) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favorite Quotes... Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Jul 1999 23:17:15 GMT References: <2TNSJXAgyCo3EwDr@clarsach.demon.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990729191715.09192.00004913@ng-fg1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail > >Why do people say 'dumb down' instead of 'vulgarise'? > because they've been dumbed down. Feanole ###### From: Idril Celebrindal Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favorite Quotes... Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:36:35 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7nrrn3$4n0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <379E42FB.DC546205@gmx.net> <19990728191640.01189.00000278@ng-fd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.228.136.107 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jul 30 09:36:35 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x28.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 130.228.136.107 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDidril Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.idt.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail In article <19990728191640.01189.00000278@ng-fd1.aol.com>, smgcfam@aol.com (SMGCFAM) wrote: > >So, what is your favorite quote in all of Tolkien's works. > > I also like this paraphrase of a quote of Aragorn after the escape from Moria > and the fall of Gandalf: "There might not be any hope, but there's always > vengence." I haven't got the book at hand but I've always felt sort of, weepy, when Aragorns says this -or something like- : "Did I not tell you, If you enter the mines of Moria, behold?" Though my most preferred is Merrys words when Pippin finds hin "Are you going to burry me?" And of course Gandalfs words to the Balrog of Moria!! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ###### From: Mustardseed Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favorite Quotes... Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:13:58 -0400 Organization: Yale University Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <379E42FB.DC546205@gmx.net> <7nrf1j$41b$1@nntp1.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mars.its.yale.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: ewo3@mars.its.yale.edu In-Reply-To: <7nrf1j$41b$1@nntp1.atl.mindspring.net> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.ycc.yale.edu!mars.its.yale.edu!ewo3 there are many... but this one sticks in my mind most lately, as being almost my own voice: " 'Well here we are, just the four of us that started out together,' said Merry. 'We have left all the rest behind, one after another. It seems almost like a dream that has slowly faded.' 'Not to me,' said Frodo. 'To me it feels more like falling asleep again.'" ###### From: Varnast Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favorite Quotes... Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 01:39:08 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7ntk3s$cmj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <379E42FB.DC546205@gmx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.92.197.37 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jul 31 01:39:08 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95; FREESERVE_IE5) X-Http-Proxy: NetCache@www-cache.pol.co.uk: Version 3.4D3, 1.1 x35.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 62.136.186.98, 195.92.197.37 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDv_karnassos Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!isdnet!newsfeed.tli.de!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail The extract that feels me with the most feeling, even if the feeling is desolation and hopelessness, is the scene upon Amon Hen. Frodo gazes about him, seeing war on all fronts. He sees Minas Tirith, and a flicker of hope appears - but then... "But against Minas Tirith was another fortress, greater and more strong. Thither, eastward, unwilling his eye was drawn. It passed the ruined bridges of Osgiliath, the grinning gates of Minas Morgul, and the haunted Mountains, and it looked upon Gorgoroth, the valley of terror in the land of Mordor. Darkness lay there under the Sun. Fire glowed amid the smoke. Mount Doom was buring, and a great reek rising. Then at last his gaze was held: wall upon wall, battlement upon battlement, black, immeasurably strong, mountain of iron, gate of steel, tower of adamant, he saw it: Barad-Dur, Fortress of Sauron." However, for light relief, my awards go to Aragorn's sarky comments behind the herbmaster's back while talking to a convalescing Merry in the Houses of Healing, and the immortal - "'Hush!' whispered Strider. 'What's that?' gasped Pippin." Brilliant. Pure Peregrin Took. I used to be v_karnassos, you know. -- "Don't worry, it's only a flesh wound - oh." Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ###### From: "Jon Lennart Beck" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <379E42FB.DC546205@gmx.net> Subject: Sv: Favorite Quotes... Lines: 38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 02:34:43 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.82.200.151 X-Complaints-To: abuse@get2.net X-Trace: news.get2net.dk 933473778 195.82.200.151 (Sun, 01 Aug 1999 04:16:18 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 04:16:18 MET DST Organization: get2net Internet Kunde Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.get2net.dk!not-for-mail Wes skrev i en nyhedsmeddelelse:379E42FB.DC546205@gmx.net... > So, what is your favorite quote in all of Tolkien's works. Mine > happens to be from the Silmarillion : From the chapter "The Shadow of the Past" in FotR: "Deserves it! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. [...]" A quote not too popular among death penalty supporters, perhaps. From the chapter "Three is Company", FotR: "But this is not your Shire," said Gildor. "Others dwelt here before hobbits were; and others will dwell here again when hobbits are no more. The wide world is all about you: you can fence yourselves in, but you cannot for ever fence it out." From the chapter "The Bridge of Khazad-dûm", FotR: From out of the shadow a red sword leaped flaming. Glamdring glittered white in answer. The chapter "The Muster of Rohan", RotK: He loved mountains, or he had loved the thought of them marching on the edge of stories brought from far away; but now he was borne down by the insupportable weight of Middle-earth. He longed to shut out the immensity in a quiet room by a fire. The chapter "The Steward and the King", RotK: "It needs but one foe to breed a war, not two, Master Warden," answered Éowyn. "And those who have not swords can still die upon them. [...]" Éowyn's version of "si vis pacem, para bellum," perhaps. Jon L. Beck. ###### Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien From: sbjensen@midway.uchicago.edu (Steuard Jensen) Subject: Re: Sv: Favorite Quotes... X-Nntp-Posting-Host: harper.uchicago.edu Message-ID: Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Organization: The University of Chicago X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test70 (17 January 1999) References: <379E42FB.DC546205@gmx.net> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 06:19:03 GMT Lines: 13 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews!not-for-mail Quoth "Jon Lennart Beck" : > From the chapter "The Shadow of the Past" in FotR: > "Deserves it! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And > some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too > eager to deal out death in judgement. [...]" An interesting choice. I don't think that I would have listed this as one of my "favorite quotes", but now that you mention it, I have to say that it is almost certainly the passage from Tolkien that I quote the most often and in the most varied company. (And yes, generally in the context of a death penalty discussion.) Steuard Jensen ###### Message-ID: <37A4ECC7.BBF6A523@actcom.co.il> From: Hazel Reply-To: IHazel@yahoo.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favorite Quotes... References: <379E42FB.DC546205@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 02:56:40 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.115.22.47 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: iad-read.news.verio.net 933551788 192.115.22.47 (Sun, 01 Aug 1999 23:56:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 23:56:28 GMT Organization: Verio Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newscore.gigabell.net!newscore.ipf.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!colt.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!iad-artgen.news.verio.net!iad-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Hope no one minds my coming into this one a bit late, but I just got newsgroups working in the first place. I think I'm going to like this place. :) Wes wrote: > So, what is your favorite quote in all of Tolkien's works. I used this one for my senior year's English term paper, and it still awes me now: "When you think of the great Battle of the Pelennor, do not forget the battles in Dale and the valour of Durin's Folk. Think of what might have been. Dragon-fire and savage swords in Eriador, night in Rivendell. There might be no queen in Gondor. We might now hope to return from the victory here only to ruin and ash. But that has been averted - because I met Thorin Oakenshield one evening on the edge of spring in Bree. A chance-meeting, as we say in Middle-earth." That's from Appendix A in RoTK, of course. There's also Gandalf's observation that Frodo was *meant* to have the Ring, "and that might be an encouraging thought." Hazel ###### From: "Öjevind Lång" Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien References: <379E42FB.DC546205@gmx.net> <37A4ECC7.BBF6A523@actcom.co.il> Subject: Re: Favorite Quotes... X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.244.54.180 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 933596844 130.244.54.180 (Mon, 02 Aug 1999 14:27:24 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 14:27:24 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 X-Sender: s-774765@dialup54-3-52.swipnet.se Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:23:41 +0200 Lines: 27 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail Hazel hath written: >Hope no one minds my coming into this one a bit late, but I just got >newsgroups working in the first place. I think I'm going to like this >place. :) You are most welcome! > > >"When you think of the great Battle of the Pelennor, do not forget the >battles in Dale and the valour of Durin's Folk. Think of what might have >been. Dragon-fire and savage swords in Eriador, night in Rivendell. >There might be no queen in Gondor. We might now hope to return from the >victory here only to ruin and ash. But that has been averted - because I >met Thorin Oakenshield one evening on the edge of spring in Bree. A >chance-meeting, as we say in Middle-earth." > >That's from Appendix A in RoTK, of course. > Not only is this a good quote, but it answers somebody else's question why the Elves of Lórien and Rivendell did not march to the defence of Gondor. They had to defend their own realms, and the lands that lay beyond them. Öjevind ###### From: RLV Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.tolkien Subject: Re: Favorite Quotes... Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 20:23:58 +0200 Organization: RLV Inc. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <37A5E23E.6168@xxxx.xxx> References: <379E42FB.DC546205@gmx.net> <37A4ECC7.BBF6A523@actcom.co.il> Reply-To: xxxx@xxxx.xxx NNTP-Posting-Host: tn174-81.tinn.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!isdnet!newsfeed.tli.de!news.algonet.se!algonet!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed.bcn.ttd.net!news.bcn.ttd.net!not-for-mail Hazel wrote: > "When you think of the great Battle of the Pelennor, do not forget the > battles in Dale and the valour of Durin's Folk. Think of what might have > been. Dragon-fire and savage swords in Eriador, night in Rivendell. > There might be no queen in Gondor. We might now hope to return from the > victory here only to ruin and ash. But that has been averted - because I > met Thorin Oakenshield one evening on the edge of spring in Bree. A > chance-meeting, as we say in Middle-earth." > > That's from Appendix A in RoTK, of course. There's also Gandalf's > observation that Frodo was *meant* to have the Ring, "and that might be > an encouraging thought." > > Hazel Welcome Hazel! A good start and a most enjoyable quote. About this place, it is a bit wild and unruly on occasions, but it is most enjoyable. We have not FAQ. Well, we have two, but one is very old and the other is still in the works. Then there is the Tilde-FAQ, but this is not exactly a FAQ of the NG. Oh, forget it all. Just read and enjoy. Post freely, be kind to strangers, don't take offence easily, and, most important of all, enjoy! ;-) R.L.V. ~~#~~ "Tilde Power!"