From: Russell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.arch.fpga Subject: Hi xilinx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.50.118.190 Message-ID: <3e0259ad_1@news.iprimus.com.au> Organization: iPrimus Customer - reports relating to abuse should be sent to abuse@iprimus.com.au Lines: 5 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:47:24 +1100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.134.67.67 X-Complaints-To: news@primus.ca X-Trace: news.primus.ca 1040341384 203.134.67.67 (Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:43:04 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:43:04 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nwr.nac.net!feed.tor.primus.ca!news.primus.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch comp.arch.fpga:24234 I need a linux version of webpack with a gui that works. If it wasn't for spartan-II devices with distributed ram (SRL16) and some floorplanning ability, i'd be using altera now. ###### From: Peter Alfke Newsgroups: comp.arch.fpga Subject: Re: Hi xilinx Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:39:34 -0800 Organization: Xilinx,Inc Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3E0266C5.71E035B@xilinx.com> References: <3e0259ad_1@news.iprimus.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: peter.xilinx.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en To: Russell Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!enews.sgi.com!nntp.wetware.com!attdv1!ip.att.net!newsgate.xilinx.com!cliff.xsj.xilinx.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch comp.arch.fpga:24197 I'll forward this to our software tools management. It is nice to hear that superior hardware feature still mean a little something... Peter Alfke ============================ Russell wrote: > I need a linux version of webpack with a gui > that works. If it wasn't for spartan-II devices > with distributed ram (SRL16) and some floorplanning > ability, i'd be using altera now. ###### Message-ID: <3E02957F.38EFF434@andraka.com> From: Ray Andraka Organization: Andraka Consulting Group, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.arch.fpga Subject: Re: Hi xilinx References: <3e0259ad_1@news.iprimus.com.au> <3E0266C5.71E035B@xilinx.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 33 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 03:57:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.15.41.165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@cox.net X-Trace: news1.east.cox.net 1040356632 68.15.41.165 (Thu, 19 Dec 2002 22:57:12 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 22:57:12 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!cox.net!p01!news1.east.cox.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch comp.arch.fpga:24211 Basically what I've been saying...the SRL16 is the biggest advantage the virtex lines have over Altera's Stratix. Don't let that capability fall by the wayside just because your tier 1 customers are not using it. Peter Alfke wrote: > I'll forward this to our software tools management. > It is nice to hear that superior hardware feature still mean a little > something... > > Peter Alfke > ============================ > Russell wrote: > > > I need a linux version of webpack with a gui > > that works. If it wasn't for spartan-II devices > > with distributed ram (SRL16) and some floorplanning > > ability, i'd be using altera now. -- --Ray Andraka, P.E. President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc. 401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950 email ray@andraka.com http://www.andraka.com "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ###### From: Uwe Bonnes Newsgroups: comp.arch.fpga Subject: Re: Hi xilinx Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:51:25 +0000 (UTC) Organization: TU Darmstadt Lines: 22 Sender: Uwe Bonnes Message-ID: References: <3e0259ad_1@news.iprimus.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: hertz.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de X-Trace: news.tu-darmstadt.de 1040374285 16907 130.83.24.91 (20 Dec 2002 08:51:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@news.tu-darmstadt.de NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:51:25 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.4.4-20000803 ("Vet for the Insane") (UNIX) (Linux/2.4.18-4GB-SMP (i686)) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!news.tu-darmstadt.de!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch comp.arch.fpga:24243 Russell wrote: : I need a linux version of webpack with a gui : that works. If it wasn't for spartan-II devices : with distributed ram (SRL16) and some floorplanning : ability, i'd be using altera now. I installed a normal windows version of webpack/ise with a recent version of wine on linux. With some patches already included in newer version of wine, webpack works quite well. No chance for running impact, and no interest from xilinx to get help to get impact running however... For webpack installation in wine, unzip the exe file in a directory. Read the wine docs about Installshield 6 (in short builtin ole32/oleaut32/rpcrt4 and native std*.tlb). For running, native msvcrt helps in some cases. Sometimes startup hangs, but restarting normally works then. Bye -- Uwe Bonnes bon@elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289 Darmstadt --------- Tel. 06151 162516 -------- Fax. 06151 164321 ---------- ###### Message-ID: <3E0353E6.50104@synplicity.com> From: Ken McElvain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.arch.fpga Subject: Re: Hi xilinx References: <3e0259ad_1@news.iprimus.com.au> <3E0266C5.71E035B@xilinx.com> <3E02957F.38EFF434@andraka.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 47 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:33:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.157.48.1 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: sea-read.news.verio.net 1040405583 209.157.48.1 (Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:33:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:33:03 GMT Organization: Verio Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!sea-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch comp.arch.fpga:24224 Ray Andraka wrote: > Basically what I've been saying...the SRL16 is the biggest advantage the > virtex lines have over Altera's Stratix. Don't let that capability fall > by the wayside just because your tier 1 customers are not using it. > The tier 1 customers are probably using it and don't know about it. I often see designs where our tools automatically map to them. > > > Peter Alfke wrote: > > >>I'll forward this to our software tools management. >>It is nice to hear that superior hardware feature still mean a little >>something... >> >>Peter Alfke >>============================ >>Russell wrote: >> >> >>>I need a linux version of webpack with a gui >>>that works. If it wasn't for spartan-II devices >>>with distributed ram (SRL16) and some floorplanning >>>ability, i'd be using altera now. >>> > > -- > --Ray Andraka, P.E. > President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc. > 401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950 > email ray@andraka.com > http://www.andraka.com > > "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little > temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." > -Benjamin Franklin, 1759 > > > ###### Message-ID: <3E0387F7.CB8D5E6B@andraka.com> From: Ray Andraka Organization: Andraka Consulting Group, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.arch.fpga Subject: Re: Hi xilinx References: <3e0259ad_1@news.iprimus.com.au> <3E0266C5.71E035B@xilinx.com> <3E02957F.38EFF434@andraka.com> <3E0353E6.50104@synplicity.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 65 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:11:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.15.41.165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@cox.net X-Trace: news1.east.cox.net 1040418703 68.15.41.165 (Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:11:43 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:11:43 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.stueberl.de!cox.net!p01!news1.east.cox.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch comp.arch.fpga:24219 I am aware of some of those customers that purposely turn off the inference of the SRL16's because of a misguided (IMHO) attempt of having 'generic RTL code'. Many of the others don't get SRL16's because they put resets on all of the flip-flops, which keeps synplify from inferring the SRL16, whether it is intentional or not. I do know that I use the SRL16's much more extensively than most users (I've got designs where 70% of the LUTs used are SRL16's). Ken McElvain wrote: > Ray Andraka wrote: > > > Basically what I've been saying...the SRL16 is the biggest advantage the > > virtex lines have over Altera's Stratix. Don't let that capability fall > > by the wayside just because your tier 1 customers are not using it. > > > > The tier 1 customers are probably using it and don't know about it. I > often see designs where our tools automatically map to them. > > > > > > > Peter Alfke wrote: > > > > > >>I'll forward this to our software tools management. > >>It is nice to hear that superior hardware feature still mean a little > >>something... > >> > >>Peter Alfke > >>============================ > >>Russell wrote: > >> > >> > >>>I need a linux version of webpack with a gui > >>>that works. If it wasn't for spartan-II devices > >>>with distributed ram (SRL16) and some floorplanning > >>>ability, i'd be using altera now. > >>> > > > > -- > > --Ray Andraka, P.E. > > President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc. > > 401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950 > > email ray@andraka.com > > http://www.andraka.com > > > > "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little > > temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." > > -Benjamin Franklin, 1759 > > > > > > -- --Ray Andraka, P.E. President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc. 401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950 email ray@andraka.com http://www.andraka.com "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ###### From: Russell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.arch.fpga Subject: Re: Hi xilinx References: <3e0259ad_1@news.iprimus.com.au> <3E0266C5.71E035B@xilinx.com> In-Reply-To: <3E0266C5.71E035B@xilinx.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.50.10.128 Message-ID: <3e03ce67_1@news.iprimus.com.au> Organization: iPrimus Customer - reports relating to abuse should be sent to abuse@iprimus.com.au Lines: 23 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:17:41 +1100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.134.67.67 X-Complaints-To: news@primus.ca X-Trace: news.primus.ca 1040436800 203.134.67.67 (Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:13:20 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:13:20 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!peer1.news.newnet.co.uk!newspeer1.nwr.nac.net!feed.tor.primus.ca!news.primus.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch comp.arch.fpga:24311 Peter Alfke wrote: > Russell wrote: > >>I need a linux version of webpack with a gui >>that works. If it wasn't for spartan-II devices >>with distributed ram (SRL16) and some floorplanning >>ability, i'd be using altera now. > I'll forward this to our software tools management. > It is nice to hear that superior hardware feature still mean a little > something... > > Peter Alfke > ============================ Thanks. FPGA tools are the only reason i'm still stuck on windows. Only after getting use to linux after a few months or maybe after more than one attempt at finding the right distro, do you realize how much windows turns your pc into a stupid consumer appliance. I found the 'right' distro for me is debian, because it has a really good way of installing and uninstalling programs and resolving library dependencies when installing new programs. ###### From: Russell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.arch.fpga Subject: Re: Hi xilinx References: <3e0259ad_1@news.iprimus.com.au> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.50.10.128 Message-ID: <3e03d4a9_1@news.iprimus.com.au> Organization: iPrimus Customer - reports relating to abuse should be sent to abuse@iprimus.com.au Lines: 21 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:44:23 +1100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.134.67.67 X-Complaints-To: news@primus.ca X-Trace: news.primus.ca 1040438473 203.134.67.67 (Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:41:13 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:41:13 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!nntp.infostrada.it!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newspeer1.nwr.nac.net!feed.tor.primus.ca!news.primus.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch comp.arch.fpga:24310 Uwe Bonnes wrote: > Russell wrote: > : I need a linux version of webpack with a gui > : that works. If it wasn't for spartan-II devices > : with distributed ram (SRL16) and some floorplanning > : ability, i'd be using altera now. > > I installed a normal windows version of webpack/ise with a recent version of > wine on linux. With some patches already included in newer version of wine, > webpack works quite well. No chance for running impact, and no interest from > xilinx to get help to get impact running however... > > For webpack installation in wine, unzip the exe file in a directory. Read > the wine docs about Installshield 6 (in short builtin ole32/oleaut32/rpcrt4 > and native std*.tlb). For running, native msvcrt helps in some > cases. Sometimes startup hangs, but restarting normally works then. I've tried installing other cad packages in wine, but the installer kind of hangs even tho there is HDD accesses every few seconds. Is 64MB ram enough? Does the webpack gui work in your setup? ###### From: Uwe Bonnes Newsgroups: comp.arch.fpga Subject: Re: Hi xilinx Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:32:45 +0000 (UTC) Organization: TU Darmstadt Lines: 44 Sender: Uwe Bonnes Message-ID: References: <3e0259ad_1@news.iprimus.com.au> <3e03d4a9_1@news.iprimus.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: hertz.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de X-Trace: news.tu-darmstadt.de 1040473965 13924 130.83.24.91 (21 Dec 2002 12:32:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@news.tu-darmstadt.de NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:32:45 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.4.4-20000803 ("Vet for the Insane") (UNIX) (Linux/2.4.18-4GB-SMP (i686)) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!news.tu-darmstadt.de!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch comp.arch.fpga:24315 Russell wrote: : Uwe Bonnes wrote: :> Russell wrote: :> : I need a linux version of webpack with a gui :> : that works. If it wasn't for spartan-II devices :> : with distributed ram (SRL16) and some floorplanning :> : ability, i'd be using altera now. :> :> I installed a normal windows version of webpack/ise with a recent version of :> wine on linux. With some patches already included in newer version of wine, :> webpack works quite well. No chance for running impact, and no interest from :> xilinx to get help to get impact running however... :> :> For webpack installation in wine, unzip the exe file in a directory. Read :> the wine docs about Installshield 6 (in short builtin ole32/oleaut32/rpcrt4 :> and native std*.tlb). For running, native msvcrt helps in some :> cases. Sometimes startup hangs, but restarting normally works then. : I've tried installing other cad packages in wine, but the installer kind of : hangs even tho there is HDD accesses every few seconds. Is 64MB ram enough? : Does the webpack gui work in your setup? You can't run the full webpack installer directly. The exe need a lot for memory which collides with the wine memory layout. But you can use unzip on the exe. This will create a lot of files in the current directory. Run the setup.exe that was created there. Be sure to use a recent wine version, don't fiddle with windows dlls (no change in the ~/.wine/config [DllOverrides] section and don't give a --dll yyy=n option to wine on the command line), but have std*.tlb from windows available in the directory declared in the [wine] System directory. That should be enough to get the IS6 installer working. Beware! It's slow, even on windows. To run webpack v5, set the ~/.wine/config [Version] to nt40, or otherwise webpack will hang silently ( like it does on a real win95/98 machine). Hint to the xilinx developpers: Some check for the windows version and some message to the user would be helpfull. Bye -- Uwe Bonnes bon@elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289 Darmstadt --------- Tel. 06151 162516 -------- Fax. 06151 164321 ---------- ###### From: Petter Gustad Newsgroups: comp.arch.fpga Subject: Re: Hi xilinx Organization: 502 You are not allowed to talk Lines: 14 Sender: petter@filestore.home.gustad.com Message-ID: <87r8cbjltd.fsf@filestore.home.gustad.com> References: <3e0259ad_1@news.iprimus.com.au> X-Home-Page: http://gustad.com X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.212.33.54 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@telenor.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 19:00:52 MET X-Trace: news2.ulv.nextra.no 1040493652 80.212.33.54 Date: 21 Dec 2002 18:58:38 +0100 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!skynet.be!skynet.be!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed1.e.nsc.no!nsc.no!nextra.com!news2.e.nsc.no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch comp.arch.fpga:24324 Russell writes: > I need a linux version of webpack with a gui > that works. If it wasn't for spartan-II devices > with distributed ram (SRL16) and some floorplanning > ability, i'd be using altera now. The Qaurtus II Web Edition is not available for Linux. However, the full version of Quartus II is. Petter -- ________________________________________________________________________ Petter Gustad 8'h2B | ~8'h2B http://www.gustad.com/petter ###### From: Igor Orlovich Subject: Re: Hi xilinx Newsgroups: comp.arch.fpga Reply-To: igoro@hotmail.com References: <3e0259ad_1@news.iprimus.com.au> <87r8cbjltd.fsf@filestore.home.gustad.com> Lines: 17 User-Agent: KNode/0.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 23:50:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.58.103.210 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyroc.rr.com 1040601004 24.58.103.210 (Sun, 22 Dec 2002 18:50:04 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 18:50:04 EST Organization: Road Runner Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!cyclone-out.nyroc.rr.com!twister.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch comp.arch.fpga:24364 I remember seeing appnote on Xilinx's web page about running ISE and WebPack under Wine.. Petter Gustad wrote: > Russell writes: > >> I need a linux version of webpack with a gui >> that works. If it wasn't for spartan-II devices >> with distributed ram (SRL16) and some floorplanning >> ability, i'd be using altera now. > > The Qaurtus II Web Edition is not available for Linux. However, the > full version of Quartus II is. > > Petter